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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rumley Benson on June 15, 2005, 08:57:59 pm

Title: Role-Playing: The State of the Planeshift Union
Post by: Rumley Benson on June 15, 2005, 08:57:59 pm
I\'ve been playing PlaneShift actively for a good time now, but have to honestly report that role-playing is somewhat scarce.  Unfortunately, role-palying in my experience has turned out to be the exception not the rule :( .  Not to forget that at first, I too, role-played less ;) .   Although there\'s massive threads and discussions dedicated to PlaneShift role-playing,  I\'ve honestly only been able to role-play with a few other characters.  Do you guys have any thoughts about this topic?

P.s. Here\'s a role-playing \"stereotype\" test (http://www.mutedfaith.com/quiz/q3.htm) that classifies your RP character, thought you guys might be interested.  And by the way, I still love PS and will continue playing, just wondering about the RP expereience.
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Post by: Cha0s on June 15, 2005, 09:03:01 pm
See this thread (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/action.php?action=getlastmain&boardid=11) for my thoughts on RPing in PS. I don\'t think it\'s feasible while PS is still in alpha/beta/whatever, but hopefully a system like the one I presented in that thread can be implemented eventually to help encourage RP.
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Post by: Rumley Benson on June 16, 2005, 02:41:30 am
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Originally posted by Cha0s
See this thread (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/action.php?action=getlastmain&boardid=11) for my thoughts on RPing in PS. I don\'t think it\'s feasible while PS is still in alpha/beta/whatever, but hopefully a system like the one I presented in that thread can be implemented eventually to help encourage RP.


Cha0s, I understand somewhat how the thread you linked to above correlates to my problem.  But it seemed to be about a more specific problem that relates to the issues between realism and RPing and communication.  Perhaps it was the wrong thread or I misunderstood you ?( .  I was refering to role-playing in PlaneShift in general; the conversations that we all have while we\'re roaming around the world, possibly with characters we aren\'t familiar with, not necessarily fellow guild members or the like.  Thanks for your response!

P.s. Thank you especially for your Mac OS X guide to running PS :tup: (I had no hope of playing it before reading and implementing that) and your other work for making PS playable on the Mac platform! :D
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Post by: Cha0s on June 16, 2005, 05:03:15 am
Hrmmm? That thread is about \"enforcing\" (i.e. encouraging) RP in a PS. I thought it was very relevant. :\\ Having GMs run quests and making simply killing things not very worthwhile, etc.

P.S. You\'re welcome. I\'m glad that you\'ve found my guide helpful. :)
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Post by: Rumley Benson on June 16, 2005, 05:32:28 am
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Originally posted by Cha0s
Hrmmm? That thread is about \"enforcing\" (i.e. encouraging) RP in a PS. I thought it was very relevant. :\\ Having GMs run quests and making simply killing things not very worthwhile, etc.


Hehe, *slapping himself on head* that was definitely the correct thread this time I clicked on it.  But I am almost sure that last time it was a link to a different thread...I think I may be going8o :) :P :emerald: :tongue: :evil: :tdown: :) :)) :( X( :D :D .
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Post by: Cha0s on June 16, 2005, 05:36:29 am
Yea, these forums are crazy with links sometimes. I\'ve had the same issue. :\\
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Post by: lynx_lupo on June 16, 2005, 08:35:19 am
Try the taverns, that\'s where it usually happened, while I played.
It is scarce, but only with use can it become more spread.
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Post by: Xordan on June 16, 2005, 10:22:01 am
(http://www.mutedfaith.com/images/demi.jpg)

Sounds about right :D
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Post by: Kwip on June 16, 2005, 05:15:43 pm
Hmm, well it seems that more people visit the forums than actually play the game (including myself though not really my fault) either because they can not get it working or because they have dial-up and it is really hard to get those freakin\' huge art and data files when your already slow internet connection keeps dying (I would fall into the latter catagory).

Hmm, and Xordan are you sure you did not make that site because that discription is definately all you :P
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Post by: John_Thazer on June 16, 2005, 05:45:50 pm
(http://www.mutedfaith.com/images/hero.jpg)

Well it fits me enough...although not fully...more fits me in my youth...:D TO BATTLE AND VICTORY!!!!
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Post by: Foresteer on June 16, 2005, 06:11:06 pm
(http://www.mutedfaith.com/images/anti.jpg)

yeah i really didnt see that one coming :rolleyes: [/sarcasm]

sweet ass quiz though

and wait till the game gets a little more off the ground.. i bet SB will have some mad RP going on (crafting in just coming into play.. and listen to experience.. most RPers are crafters ;) )
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Post by: Taurenthefirst on June 16, 2005, 11:31:36 pm
really? is this me?  :D lol

(http://www.mutedfaith.com/images/pain.jpg)

anyway, hopefully rp will increase when sb comes out
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Post by: Ashamn on June 16, 2005, 11:54:23 pm
(http://www.mutedfaith.com/images/hero.jpg)

Eh eh just another dumb hero, trying to rescue princess from dragons..  :D

Strangly doesnt fit so good in me.. I\'m foolish sometimes (err.. most of the time I know  :rolleyes:  ) but there are somethings wich i dont agree in my stereotype.. Maybe i havent found who am I really..

Jumps from the chair were\'s sitted.

Lets do it then!

Sits again..

Mmmmh I\'m tired now, maybe in another time  :D
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Post by: Kaseijin on June 17, 2005, 12:43:47 am
(http://www.mutedfaith.com/images/shape.jpg)


interesting how accurate the test is

regarding the rping...i have nothing to add...it\'s all been said   ..too many times
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Post by: Rumley Benson on June 17, 2005, 01:01:18 am
Feel silly to ask this  :baby: , but how do you guys get the picture of your stereotype into your post ?( ?

I\'m using Safari if that makes any difference (it\'s a pretty recent version I think).
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Post by: Cha0s on June 17, 2005, 01:43:58 am
They give you some HTML at the end like this:
Code: [Select]





Find your Role-Playing
Stereotype
at mutedfaith.com.



You just worry about the image bit. So after to the end quote (\"), you copy and put it inside [img] [/img] tags.
So like this for the above example:
[img]http://www.mutedfaith.com/images/hero.jpg[/img]

Voila:
(http://www.mutedfaith.com/images/hero.jpg)
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Post by: Rumley Benson on June 17, 2005, 04:10:00 am
Thanks Chaos.
(http://www.mutedfaith.com/images/hero.jpg)

That\'s spot on for my character!
Rumley Benson:
A Crusader of Righteosness...just a littke clumsy now and then. :D
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Post by: Cyl on June 18, 2005, 04:39:11 pm
Haha, these tests are pretty accurate from time to time.

(http://www.mutedfaith.com/images/anti.jpg)

Hmm, guess it fits for me.

BUT,

(http://www.mutedfaith.com/images/goodfriend.jpg)
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Post by: Phinehas on June 18, 2005, 05:57:39 pm
Hmm...

(http://www.mutedfaith.com/images/shape.jpg)
Fairly accurate, but I also have a bit of the Demi-God in me. A pretty even mix, I\'d say.
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Post by: Lordbug on June 18, 2005, 06:48:45 pm
(http://www.mutedfaith.com/images/child.jpg)

*is suprised
Ph34r my Dragon wiseness!!!


If I had chosen the first option in the first question the result was a Demi-God.
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Post by: Gatuna on June 18, 2005, 09:04:52 pm
(http://www.mutedfaith.com/images/pain.jpg)

Wow! That\'s really me!  :P
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Post by: Rumley Benson on June 19, 2005, 09:59:07 pm
Glad everyone liked the test :D .
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Post by: Lordbug on June 20, 2005, 01:06:50 pm
Indeed I liked the test, laughed with the questions and possible answers... :)

Oh and answering to the topic:

Indeed Roleplaying is becoming the exeption... but if you check on many MMORPGs... maybe Planeshift\'s the most roleplaying of them all. (but most of those I play are Scy-Fi and everyones knows that in Scy-Fi MMORPGs almost never there\'s roleplay...)
Do what I do, if I\'m with roleplayers I roleplay, if not I just talk like them (with a bit of roleplay in the middle).
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Post by: Cha0s on June 20, 2005, 04:53:17 pm
The roleplay I see in NWN far outstrips the roleplay in Planeshift. There is no contest. I\'m hoping, praying, that this will change, because there are a few things I like better about Planeshift on the technical side and in the community as well. As far as RP goes, though, PS has a ways to go.
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Post by: Rumley Benson on June 20, 2005, 11:40:52 pm
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Originally posted by Lordbug
Do what I do, if I\'m with roleplayers I roleplay, if not I just talk like them (with a bit of roleplay in the middle).


That\'s exactly what I do :D .  In fact I was going to ask if that was acceptable as a role-player.  But if a Game Master does it, that more than answers my question!  *humbled*

Recently I\'ve started conversations using RP talk with non-role-players (to many -\'s :P ), and sometimes they get into it too :)) .

Well, the first meaningful topic I stated on the PlaneShift webboards, cool.
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Post by: hitancrias on June 21, 2005, 01:37:51 am
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Originally posted by Rumley Benson
Recently I\'ve started conversations using RP talk with non-role-players (to many -\'s :P ), and sometimes they get into it too :)) .

That\'s the spirit! If everybody who thinks roleplay in PS needs a boost, got in game to be a good example, it surely would differ. (not accusing anybody)
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Post by: Lordbug on June 25, 2005, 09:34:26 pm
Yeah, I started to roleplay with non-role-players too...
I just did it once and sounded good, so... well... now I try to convince people into roleplay and most do it too!
Maybe this is the way to get new people and non-roleplayers to roleplay!
(well, I\'m talking here but I\'m not the best roleplayer :P)


*gets himself a \"Save the Roleplay\" board and shows it with the \"Save the Guilds\" one
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Post by: FalconAmanatay on June 26, 2005, 01:21:14 pm
\"(http://www.mutedfaith.com/images/hero.jpg)\"




not me. Nor was the demi-god i got last time
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Post by: Rumley Benson on June 26, 2005, 10:18:08 pm
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Originally posted by FalconAmanatay
not me. Nor was the demi-god i got last time


Maybe you\'re an obnoxious demi-god :P .
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Post by: Kinoss on July 02, 2005, 10:13:26 am
(http://www.mutedfaith.com/images/blank.jpg)

Well, there\'s something you don\'t see every day. A post from Kinoss.
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Post by: Pestilence on July 02, 2005, 03:37:58 pm
LOL Royal pain here ;)
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Post by: Crj on July 02, 2005, 03:54:50 pm
Hmm... it says im a mischievous child. While it may be partly the truth for me, its the direct opposite of my char. I guess the quiz is too stereo-typy(i know its not a real word)..
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Post by: dragonfire999 on July 02, 2005, 06:13:21 pm
it says im a shapeshifter.
How accurate!
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Post by: Rumley Benson on July 05, 2005, 05:42:08 am
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Originally posted by Lordbug
Yeah, I started to roleplay with non-role-players too...
I just did it once and sounded good, so... well... now I try to convince people into roleplay and most do it too!
Maybe this is the way to get new people and non-roleplayers to roleplay!
(well, I\'m talking here but I\'m not the best roleplayer :P)


I\'m most definitely not a great RPer myself, but I use my imagination and try to be appropriate.  The most important component of a good RPing experience is not wether you know every little tiny detail of RPing rules, in fact that can get annoying :P , but rather that people try to RP in the simplest sense of the phrase, not achieve perfection.
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Post by: Ralas on July 05, 2005, 09:01:32 am
I used to tak IC when with RPer\'s and OOC when not.  The problem with this strategy is that right now, OOC chat is the rule instead of the exception.  For newbies, this is understandable;  you finally get the game working (after, in some (my) cases, six months of trying), you\'re just excited to finally be on, you haven\'t read the rules, and it hasn\'t occcured to you that you should probably be talking in character.  Fine, that\'s forgiveable.  But there are plenty of oldbies who still speak OOC all of the time, without even bothering with parenthisis.  Moreso than not, I\'d say.  Which is why I now strictly adhere to the strategy of using paranthesis when OOC, but most of the time just speaking IC.  This means that most of the time I\'m speaking IC when no one else is, in the hopes of encouraging newbies and oldbies alike to follow my lead.

I am defenitely not a great RPer either, but staying in character is simple enough, and, I think, greatly enhances the PS experience.
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Post by: dragonfire999 on July 12, 2005, 07:30:12 pm
Well, i happened to be arguing with \"Ooga Booga\" the guildmaster of \"The keepers\".  I asked him what the purpose of his guild was, and why he kept using \"u\" \"4\" \"2\" \"wat\" \"lol\" instead of spelling things out, then the argument got more heated, and he said \"He could do what he wanted\". he also reffered to runescape as a \"role playing game\" (that made me fall off my chair in laughter).

Seems he is mass recruiting for his guild, which has the purpose of \"Uniting people and having lot of fun\"

also, a may as well show you what someone said to me when i told them to start roleplaying for once ;)

(http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload9/0000000111.JPG)
i guess i suck and im a non fun person then. Oh well, that means nothing to me out of the mouth of a non roleplayer
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Post by: Ralas on July 12, 2005, 07:48:43 pm
/me shakes his head in disbelief

 . . . well, not disbelief so much as frustration.  Sadly, that is easy to believe.  I have been told before that I take the game far too seriously, only for trying to stay in character around someone who had absolutely no interest in Role Playing.
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Post by: dragonfire999 on July 12, 2005, 07:53:59 pm
you see, he could at least learn to spell taser....

:P


Edit=
(http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload2/0000000112.JPG)
if you cant read it, it says \"Balore flips taser off and turns invisible (spawns) \"
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Awww, i dont like to do norty things to dice rollers... you were so willing to duel me when i wasnt expecting it in the tavern!
(http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload2/0000000113.JPG)
norty norty....
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Post by: Ralas on July 12, 2005, 08:26:34 pm
jeesh.
if he\'s gonna be mean to you, the least thing he could do is spell your name correctly.  and about the other stuff . . .  ug.
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Post by: Robinmagus on July 12, 2005, 10:16:29 pm
Its alright taser. I had the same thing with the chosen few guild. Though,my situation some would call harder, because unlike taser the invincible,I was not up for a 5 on 1 fight.



 BTW: I got shapeshifter for the quiz thing.
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Post by: XpYtZ on July 12, 2005, 10:42:04 pm
The checker tells me I am a shape shifter...Not at all unexpected.
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Post by: larrydag on July 12, 2005, 10:45:10 pm
I believe the inherent problem with role-playing in Planeshift is a lack of understanding what Planeshift is all about.

For example, take the all time classic role-playing game D&D.  Now it is very easy to role-play that game.  Everyone knows what a knight is, or a magic-user, or a dragon, or a skeleton.  Using the basis of fuedal, medeival society is easy because everyone has a basic understanding or a frame of reference.

Now with Planeshift everyone is starting from nothing.  I created two characters so far and I know very little about them.  And one of them is human.  It says something to the affect that they have siblings and they are from this or that.  I have no frame of reference.  Now granted I probably need to understand Planeshift history better but as far as I can see the developers of Planeshift is not going out of the way explaining it.  One has to do some searching.

Here are some ideas for developers to get the role-playing going a little bit better:
1) Create movies, websites, or stories around the characters.  Not the towns, lands, or the cities but only the people that we are role-playing.  I think a movie would go a long way
2) Promote RP\'ing straight from the frontpage of the website.  The only thing I see on the frontpage is news about RL and downloads and links.
3) Promote up the guilds that support RP\'ing.

This is just my take.  I\'m curious if anyone else feels this way.
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Post by: zabeal on July 12, 2005, 10:59:34 pm
That is a good point Larrydog, we should know more about how the races interact. There are a few stories on the roleplay forum that give some good ideas- for example Moogie\'s stories. She knows a little bit about the background, being a Dev and all ;)
But others should try to expand on what is told in the settings. How about a day in the life of a Enki family? Or a klyros\'s first glide?
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Post by: dragonfire999 on July 12, 2005, 11:28:37 pm
i liked the idea of the klyros glide. You can read it on \"The First Jump\" in rp section :)
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Post by: druke on July 13, 2005, 05:52:53 am
(http://www.mutedfaith.com/images/pain.jpg)

hmm i dunno..

maybe  :P
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Post by: Lordbug on July 13, 2005, 02:19:41 pm
Hmm...
Why don\'t you guys talk with NPCs like I do?!

It\'s a RPish way to learn stuff. NPCs say very interesting stuff... other just say stupid stuff (like some guy in Library Hydlaa that thinks the world is going to end)... other are rude (like Jayose).

Really you should talk to the NPCs if you want to know stuff... or read the History (http://www.planeshift.it/setting_history.html), Race (http://www.planeshift.it/setting_races.html) and World (http://www.planeshift.it/setting_overview.html) info on the website.

But yeah, news and stuff on website could be more RPish if possible.
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Post by: Zan on July 13, 2005, 03:21:17 pm
An npc claims the world is about to end ... well now I have to find that one. Thanks for giving me something to do LB :P
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Post by: Nikodemus on July 13, 2005, 04:12:54 pm
The problem with NPCs is that 90% of the time they don\'t understand you.  Even if at start you ask about this what they have just told, ever 3-4 questions the NPC will become stupid again. Current system is terrible and don\'t tell it is broken , necause it wasnt any better before.
Yea you can get inbteresting facts from the NPCs but they hide it like it was the most secured secret
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Post by: Lordbug on July 14, 2005, 03:57:17 pm
The current system could be more accurate, yes, but it\'s not bad at all.
Only the questing system is broken. All old NPCs still hvae their lines to say, some new ones have them too.
I don\'t have much rouble talking to an NPC, usually they say something that seems important, ask them to talk about that. Lots of quests will be auired by talking to NPCs. I discovered some already... some that even involves going to a swamp and get a sample of some herbs ;)

@Zan: That\'s what I do ;) *points to his guild label* Knowledge Seekers remember? Have to gather these stuff :P. You\'ll see the quantity of stuff you learn just by talking to NPCs :D