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Fan Area => Fan Art => Topic started by: Gentar on June 16, 2005, 12:54:37 am

Title: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: Gentar on June 16, 2005, 12:54:37 am: heres some armor for a few races I did the first two are for ylians and the last is for an enidukai

Also if anyone wants to take a stab at modeling them, you\'d be my new best friend :)

(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/hosted/armor.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/hosted/armor2.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/hosted/armor3.jpg)
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Post by: Gentar on June 16, 2005, 02:44:38 am: by the way please tell me what you think. As far as i can tell there haven\'t been to many if any armor designs so I\'d like to know how you feel about them. I tried to make them as original and well suited towards planeshift as possible.
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Post by: Efflixi Aduro on June 16, 2005, 02:57:21 am: I\'m in love with your armors man! But please edit instead of double posting next time.

The first pic eems out of proportion though. The tops to small for the bottem...
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Post by: Orthallen on June 16, 2005, 04:08:30 am: Those are...amazing. As efflixi said, I\'m in love already. I wouldn\'t mind wearing that enki armor in PS either... *hint* *hint*
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Post by: ArcaneFalcon on June 16, 2005, 05:00:37 am: Great stuff. Could you not do it on lined paper next time though? Also, try to stay away from side profiles. For concept work, as well as general art work, poses are more helpful and interesting, respectively. I really like the fact that your armor is realistic as well as cool looking. Fantastic work. Please keep it up.

:emerald:
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Post by: Uloim on June 16, 2005, 05:26:01 am: I like it. :)

The first one reminds me of Lord of the Rings and the others remind me of a game I used to play....

Good times. :P
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Post by: Gentar on June 16, 2005, 09:18:43 pm: Here is the new dwarf armor, hope you all enjoy.

(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/hosted/armor4.jpg)
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Post by: Ashamn on June 16, 2005, 10:23:50 pm: 8o - wow..

That\'s only i can say.. :)

Absolutly beautifull, i want that on PS :D
....
What dreaming again?
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Guess so..

Keep up the good work, i dont mind of see some other draws ;)
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Post by: Platyna on June 16, 2005, 10:54:43 pm: Very nice work. Now female Ynnwn, please. ;)

Regards.
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Post by: Efflixi Aduro on June 17, 2005, 12:34:54 am: Do some mage robes!! Specificly Lemur mage robes. ;)

Edit: added a missing \"o\" to do :P
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Post by: Xordan on June 17, 2005, 12:51:26 am: Kicking ass :) I love it all.

I don\'t suppose you could try some light klyros armour? Something that would protect, but allow a lot of freedom of movement. :D
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Post by: wormking on June 17, 2005, 12:55:04 am: Amazing 8o

Can\'t wait to see more!
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Post by: Moogie on June 17, 2005, 01:23:27 am: Great concepts, looking forward to more! :)
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Post by: Kiirani on June 17, 2005, 08:55:29 am: Y\'know.. WOW doesn\'t really cover it... WOW!!
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Post by: Gentar on June 18, 2005, 11:26:03 pm: Its finally here!!!!!!!

The new Klyros armor

(http://geocities.com/lothgarv/armor5.jpg)

The armor is constructed of hardened leather, for good protection but light weight. In order for greater movement, the shoulder guards are off. The knee pads were sculpted to resemble the head of an ubernaut, a symbol of great strength. The helmet comes apart into two peices so it can hit around the fin on the Klyros\'s head

Tell me what you think!!! I personally think this is one of the better works I\'ve contributed.
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Post by: wormking on June 18, 2005, 11:51:03 pm: all of your pictures aren\'t showing up :(
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Post by: Xordan on June 19, 2005, 01:06:24 am: Klyros is amazing :) That\'s exactly how I\'d picture klyros armour to look.

*Wishes he could walk around ingame in that.*
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Post by: Zaxim on June 19, 2005, 02:17:52 am: Now if I had any courage and any talent I would try modelling that armor. It\'s really well drawn.
Sadly I lack both.
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Post by: Aldaron on June 20, 2005, 12:21:44 am: Wow! 8o

Nice work Gentar.

Your draws are gorgeous.

Next step is take one of this concepts and develop as much as you can, make 3 general views of the complete armature with and without the body, and more detailed 3 views of individuals pieces.

Maybe some 3d artist get inspired and bring your sketches to life.

Later you can try some colors, i\'m sure that will be impresive see your work in full colours.

Sorry my bad english.
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Post by: Gentar on June 20, 2005, 12:41:45 am: I just got to thinking, what does a kran do for armor???
I was thinking maybe just some wrapping or padding to prevent his rock like exterior from chipping away. I,d like to hear your suggestions especcially those of the devs, since they probably have something in mind already. Maybe they dont wear any armor at all but thats unlikely.
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Post by: Mobius on June 20, 2005, 03:57:32 am: Anything would be nice, I\'m getting tired of running around naked all day. :P

I was thinking, since the Kran are already separated from the other races being the only non-carbon based lifeform in the game and they\'re made of stone, what if instead of wearing clothing like all the fleshies wear, they just bolted slabs of iron or steel plating onto themselves?
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Post by: Gentar on June 21, 2005, 05:56:36 am: Heres my first attempt at texturing! its not very good but it was just practice. later ill try and add a place to download it.

its kind of a woodsman look. i think ill add a water pouch or satchel on his strap and try to make the middle part of the arm actual skin later on

(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/hosted/rangerfront.jpg)

(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/hosted/rangerback.jpg)

(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/hosted/textures.jpg)
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Post by: Uloim on June 21, 2005, 07:26:13 am: Wow, very nice. Especially for a first try! :)
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Post by: Ashamn on June 21, 2005, 12:56:27 pm: Agree, pretty good ;)
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Post by: Zaxim on June 21, 2005, 08:26:29 pm: I\'m amazed, I really wish I could draw. But alas, I lack serious talent...
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Post by: Xordan on June 21, 2005, 08:38:55 pm: Yeah, I quite like it :) The colours are nice.
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Post by: Platyna on June 21, 2005, 09:21:50 pm: Gentar, put your pics on imageshack.us not crappy geocites, you have
already exceeded transfer. And don\'t forget about Ynnwns! :D

Regards.
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Post by: Gentar on June 21, 2005, 11:21:23 pm: heres some heavy dermorian battle armor. Ill do the ynwnn\'s next just for you Platyna ;). amd yeah i do need to stop hosting my images from geocities but yo\'ll have to give me some time

(http://geocities.com/lothgarv/armor6.jpg)

the armor flows and is very organic. this is reflective on the dermorians respect for nature.
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Post by: Taurenthefirst on June 22, 2005, 01:28:38 am: all very nice. i like the very first one the best though.
good work. :tup:
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Post by: wormking on June 22, 2005, 01:33:28 am: wow great work! Can\'t wait to see those ynnwns! :tup:
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Post by: Rumley Benson on June 22, 2005, 06:21:25 am: The dwarf armor rocks :D :D :D !

P.s. You\'re a definitely a great artist Gentar.
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Post by: Gentar on June 22, 2005, 10:59:32 pm: here is an update to my texture.

As you can see, ive moved the knife into a better, more secure location where the crossbar loops over the strap. i also added some leather etching into those cuff things but its hard to see in the shots. I made the arms bareskin with short sleeves now, which looks way better if you ask me and on the back i added a button to hod the strap to the belt. and last of all i darkened the beard (forgetting to darken the rest of the hair but it still looks pretty good.)

can someone PM me how to make the texture files available for download.

maybe someone wants them for a change of pace.

(http://geocities.com/lothgarv/hosted/tex.jpg)
(http://geocities.com/lothgarv/hosted/texbac.jpg)

and remember to check back tonight (maybe tomorrow if i run out of time) on the ynwnn armor that should be done.
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Post by: Xordan on June 25, 2005, 01:51:13 pm: Yes, that\'s a nice improvement. :)
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Post by: Lordbug on June 25, 2005, 09:12:31 pm: Those drawing s are great! I like the dwarf one very much! (looks like a small steam-punk robot :P)
The Ylian texture is awsome too! keep it up!

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Originally posted by Efflixi Aduro
Do some mage robes!! Specificly Lemur mage robes. ;)

Edit: added a missing \"o\" to do :P

no no! Enkidukai mage robes! don\'t mind Lemurs! :P
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Post by: restless on July 01, 2005, 08:27:49 pm: WOW!!!
those are beutiful!!!
i wish they were in the game and available for use
:o :o
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Post by: Cyl on July 01, 2005, 09:15:42 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Lordbug
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Originally posted by Efflixi Aduro
Do some mage robes!! Specificly Lemur mage robes. ;)

Edit: added a missing \"o\" to do :P

no no! Enkidukai mage robes! don\'t mind Lemurs! :P

No best would be tall elves in red robes, never mind Enkis or Lemurs, tall elves in red robes are the way
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Post by: Gentar on July 18, 2005, 04:42:41 am: sorry for the long wait guys, and also for the fact that this ones not a female ynwnn. I did a few for her but didnt like them so ill have to do it later.

but for now....a Kran. I guess this ones on the darker end of the spectrum but ill create another with a more open face helm like the little sketch to the top left. I got a little lazy, on this as you can see the lack of detail.

(http://geocities.com/lothgarv/kranarmor.jpg)
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Post by: leuxast on July 18, 2005, 06:30:18 am: Very nice...I like it...the detail doesn\'t matter, it\'s the design that counts.
So another excellent piece of work from Gentar, the master armourer!
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Post by: ArcaneFalcon on July 18, 2005, 07:02:15 am: You might think of doing some digital coloring. If you could get your hands on a wacom that would be ideal.

In leu of digital coloring, this is excellent. Keep up the awesome work.

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Post by: scream681 on July 18, 2005, 10:38:10 am: If you want someone to make these into 3d models for ingame, it would really help if you would draw each piece of armor in top , right and front perspectives so your images can be used as refference. That would also ensure that the model would actually look like the drawings you imagine, cause making a model without refference is always resulted totally different from what you intended, talking from 1st hand experience :P . These are really nice scetches, and you got sense of style, although I doubt some of those pieces od armor can be done keping face count low and looking nice because of their many parts/plates.
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Post by: Gentar on July 20, 2005, 11:31:21 pm: Try to ignore the fact that i even did the last kran armor and feast your eyes upon this. its basically the same idea, just a better drawing. still not great but hey...its just concept art. theres something up with those legs,m so i might fix them sometime.

Archane Falcon, your going to have to give me time on the other stuff, cause its not on the top of my priority list.

(http://geocities.com/lothgarv/kranarmor2.jpg)
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Post by: Lordbug on August 19, 2005, 08:22:00 pm: 8o 8o

Awsome! :D

*waits for enki mage robes
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Post by: dying_inside on August 20, 2005, 02:20:29 pm: oh my &^@%ing god. that kran armor is amazing ! dude if someone made that as a model i would go nuts. im not good enough to do that low poly though.
i can imageine my kran in that . wow.... so cool
keep up the work.
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Post by: Kixie on August 20, 2005, 03:22:34 pm: Wow, that\'s amazing. Way cooler than I could have thought of. Keep it up man! :tup:

Looking foward to your next masterpeice!
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Post by: Gentar on August 23, 2005, 04:04:47 am: and here it is kixie, this is my armor i designed for myself mainly but it doesnt have to be.

(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/armor.jpg)
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Post by: Sikarda on August 23, 2005, 05:51:40 am: Wow, that is some awesome artwork Gentar, that sword is so mean!
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Post by: dying_inside on August 23, 2005, 09:54:24 am: whoa !
jesus imagine seeing that for the first time around hydalla. you wouldnt know weather to run and hide or drool.
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Post by: Black_rose on August 23, 2005, 02:15:48 pm: anyone want to make a skin out of that??
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Post by: Jakob on August 23, 2005, 02:31:12 pm: Wow... Artwork never ceases to amaze me. I like the klyros the best, but I think I\'m somewhat biased in that aspect :P I love this stuff... It\'s truly amazing.
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Post by: rosmerelmer on August 23, 2005, 05:21:48 pm: :shock x1765433 your newest armor is amaziing!!!
i wish i could draw like that, i hope somebody can color it with photoshop or an other program.

[edit]your other drawings are great too.. forgot to say that.;)
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Post by: Konogan on August 23, 2005, 09:34:04 pm: Gentar, You are a god of drawings. maybe in some weeks, we could work together on an armor.
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Post by: Phinehas on August 24, 2005, 01:31:15 am: Wow, that is seriously good. I was gonna say make one for Lemurs, but on second thought, they\'re not the armor type...
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Post by: Zellgadess on August 24, 2005, 11:08:21 am: Not the armor type! jeeze!, >.<

Just because we\'re a little on the soft jelly side don?t mean we can?t have a few mean shoulder plates and big spiky boots!

Everyone always forgets the lemurs...

You know there are lemur warriors, there not as buff as dwarfs or agile as elves, but they use their head and strategically outmatch there opponent! Har har har, those were the days...
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Post by: Robinmagus on August 24, 2005, 11:02:26 pm: Loved your last pic Gentar. Only gets better, doesn\'t it.

Zell: They only care about the races that have skins ^^
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Post by: Zellgadess on August 24, 2005, 11:39:33 pm: lol, jeeze robin, don\'t get me started on that :P
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Post by: rosmerelmer on August 25, 2005, 05:16:11 pm: maybe, in a very smaaaaalll chance, i can make a 3d model about your latest armor gentar, but it will improve if you make a frontside drawing...
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Post by: darkw00t on September 12, 2005, 04:27:10 am: last armour was awesome, i\'d like to add they won\'t just be sword armours, you might want to have assassin and ranger armours as well and not just the type of armours for the races but man you should be one of the team drawers for planeshift
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Post by: Gentar on September 13, 2005, 01:26:32 am: beleive me ive tryed but apparantly they dont like my work. Either that or it jsut takes about a year for a response, because thats how long ive been waiting.
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Post by: Taurenthefirst on September 13, 2005, 05:36:24 am: dont be discouraged gentar! they\'ll get around to you eventually, or atleast they better, because you are obviously one of the best artists on these boards. :tup:
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Post by: darkw00t on September 13, 2005, 07:16:28 am: I\'ve thought maybe you could draw a elf ranger, the armour could be like hard leather and light plate mix with chainmail and scale bits, i\'d really like to see what it would look like also with a nice bow showing, i\'d be very thankful if you did as your other drawing are awesome
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Post by: Gentar on September 15, 2005, 02:42:17 am: actually i have an archer ynwnn coming if you dont mind. I,ll try to incorporate some of your ideas however. Dont expect it too soon though, because i have a few other things to finish first.

Priority List:
*A Zoologist Kran
*The Multi drawing diagram for the 3D model
*The Archer Ynwnn
* WAR BLIMPS!!! (this might actually come first)
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Post by: rosmerelmer on September 15, 2005, 06:43:08 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Gentar
actually i have an archer ynwnn coming if you dont mind. I,ll try to incorporate some of your ideas however. Dont expect it too soon though, because i have a few other things to finish first.

Priority List:
*A Zoologist Kran
*The Multi drawing diagram for the 3D model
*The Archer Ynwnn
* WAR BLIMPS!!! (this might actually come first)

that would be the biggest turn on for me to start modeling!
i really love your work!
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Post by: Gentar on September 27, 2005, 08:05:51 pm: here is a texture I had done for the ylian male. Its a rough studded leather armor. You may have seen this in my texture thread, however that one is an older, crappier version. I redid it after i realized how much better it could look when Arcane Falcon enlightened me so here it is. (this is not the one arcane falcon made, although it looks similar.)

(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/torso.jpg)

I will post the ingame image later.
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Post by: ArcaneFalcon on September 27, 2005, 09:44:34 pm: I think it looks better than before, but it could still use some tweaking methinks. Take a look at my second post in this (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=19374&boardid=22&styleid=3) thread for some links to references and some tutorials on creating more convincing textures.

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Post by: Gentar on September 28, 2005, 02:13:34 am: Could you be a bit more specific? What exactly would you do to it now? Exact ideas would help me out alot since im out of them.

I guess ill just add more ware and tare.
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Post by: ArcaneFalcon on September 28, 2005, 04:02:14 am: Ok...well..the first key is to have good reference. If you ever look at a tutorial done by a professional they usually include a reference file with their tutorial, and more often than not it is packed with tons of pictures (more than just the orthogs). Painting a texture is sooo much easier when you have something real to compare it to. Look at all the fine details in the real one and try to simulate it as good as you can. Put nicks and scratches on it (try a 1 or 3 px dodge/burn at 5-25%, or a new layer with 1 or 3 px black/white at 50-100% and maybe some blending modes (very small bevel)). Get some grunge brushes (just google it, you can find thousands) and just dirty up the surface. Run a grunge brush with with a light color along corners facing out, and a smooth brush with a dark color along dorners facing in. It\'s just a matter of looking at what you want to make, starting general, and adding more and more detail, whatever you see in your reference that you haven\'t put in your texture. It take time, a lot of time, but the results are usually worth it. Just do some practice and if you need I, or preferably someone better than I, can give you some pointers. I\'ll try to post something a little less vague later...

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Post by: JellyWerker on September 28, 2005, 05:08:43 am: /me starts to draw armor for various small furry woodland creatures :P perhaps including lemurs! :D
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Post by: Gentar on September 28, 2005, 04:27:16 pm: Thanks a bunch arcane, that helped me out. Sadly I made up this armor from scratch so i have no reference, but im still adding detail. I found a picture of a piece of leather that had a gash in it, so i put a few of those on it (of course they all vary in size and proportion). I will try the scratches you were talking about. Is dodge/burn a brush setting or do i just paint in black on a layer and change the blend mode to color dodge or burn?
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Post by: Gentar on September 29, 2005, 08:02:19 pm: okay, I did a bit more on the texture. Made it look a bit more worn and grimy, notice the gash on the back along with the grunge on the leather. I also added some scratches using the technique arcane falcon reccomended. THe buttons and belt buckle are now tarnished as well.

you can see the evolution of its development as my skills and instruction have hopefully improved.

(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/hosted/leatherskin.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/torso.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/torso2.jpg)
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Post by: darkw00t on September 29, 2005, 11:00:26 pm: the third one is a lot more realistic... it looks pretty good to see the evolution
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Post by: ArcaneFalcon on September 29, 2005, 11:28:13 pm: Gentar: References are more than just exact duplicates of whatever you\'re making. They include things like pictures of worn leather, pictures of tarnished metal buttons, pictures of different belts, etc. Get some. Use them. Also, turn down the opacity on your worn leathury texture layers just a little bit, they\'re a bit too strong methinks. They are, however, worlds better than the first. Keep it up.

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Post by: Gentar on September 30, 2005, 08:04:33 am: This one goes out to all you mages out there who have been begging me to do mage robes. This will only come once so enjoy (robes arent my thing).

it still needs a bit of work so ill edit this later

(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/cleric.jpg)
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Post by: darkw00t on September 30, 2005, 08:21:09 am: that is awesome... but can you please do an archer... maybe with a bit of plate but some real good archer armor... i would be very thankful
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Post by: ArcaneFalcon on September 30, 2005, 10:23:34 am: Nice Gentar. My only crit is the hand(the one holding the flame). It looks less than life-like and could use some work. Other than it is great. Nice folds.

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Post by: imperess on September 30, 2005, 02:56:24 pm: hi,

nice concepts.

I was just thinking about kran armor earlier today as i was drawing up a kran my self.. nice solution for the kran armor.. i had just assumed them being more rock like that they would not wear armor.. but would like to hear more discussion on this.. you did a good job on a difficult race to armor..

BTW i am new to plane shift and think that its a great game. I am glad it has alot of community input and involvement.

~carol
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Post by: Frank on September 30, 2005, 09:14:36 pm: that is one of the best pictures i have ever seen

I trying to learn how to draw like that but dont have much time. Keep up the good work its people like you that are going to make this game look great.
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Post by: Siegheart on October 19, 2005, 09:08:15 am: I know what the purpose of armor for a Kran is: he would wear special alloys and stones such as adamant and mythril that actually provide MORE protection than his rocky hide already does. There, problem solved. Though, with the leather beggining armor, he\'d probably use it to just keep his body from chipping, yeah. Anyways, great stuff! I love it!
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Post by: meigoltann on October 19, 2005, 12:13:03 pm: You\'re drawings are really good, I like very much how you make things seem \"dynamic\", it is not something that anyone can do...
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Post by: Gentar on November 11, 2005, 05:20:35 am: my first ever 3d model!!!!! perhaps this will open the doors to many a new possiblity with my conceptual career with planeshift.

Its a very simple model, but the texture makes it look good.

Thanks Cherpow for the awsome and detailed tutorial, couldnt have done it with out you.

(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/hat1.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/hat2.jpg)
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Post by: Farren Kutter on November 12, 2005, 02:10:40 am: Better than anything I can do. :P Unfortunately, my brother needs to reinstall 3D MAX since we had to reformat my computer :P but we saved my files :)
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Post by: arcain on November 12, 2005, 05:01:18 am: i am amazed!...i dont know what else to say..

i love it all! i cant wait to see some archer stuff..maby some dragon hide looking stuff .that would be awsome..you rock!
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Post by: Gorzhuul on November 12, 2005, 05:03:25 am: Quote
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maby some dragon hide looking stuff .that would be awsome..you rock!

there is no dragons in PS :D but maybe there are somethings that look like dragons that could be used like you said Arcain.
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Post by: zorbels on November 12, 2005, 05:25:30 am: /me put up her hand while jumping up and down...

I have a request, Can you do a female enki\'s armor? You are a wonderful artist. Great work!! ^^
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Post by: Gorzhuul on November 12, 2005, 05:33:03 am: when you get through everyone elses requests maybe put some thought into doing a dwarf blacksmith outfit :D??

btw dwarf armour was my fav.....IT ROCKS!!
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Post by: Gentar on November 12, 2005, 06:21:15 am: Im kinda hooked to this new modeling thing. I know pretty much nothing about how to do it. Im still using the knowledge i gained from cherpows hat tutorial. However I did accomplish what I had set out to do which was to create a simple weapon model. Here it is.

As for the requests I cant promise anything but i will keep them in mind.

(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/axe2.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/axe1.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/axe3.jpg)
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Post by: Gorzhuul on November 12, 2005, 06:28:36 am: my first few tries looked nothing like those.....either your a good artist..................or i just suck at art.........or both lol
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Post by: zorbels on November 12, 2005, 10:41:42 am: /me bows and thanks Gentar for keeping her request in mind
Look forward to it and if not well at least you know you have fans of your art :D
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Post by: Gentar on November 13, 2005, 06:16:28 pm: just messing with textures for my axe.
(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/axe5.jpg)
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Post by: darkw00t on November 13, 2005, 09:23:57 pm: you 3d axes = 8o... your models look great, i am not going to send you a request as i had a request a while ago, but anyway just keep up the good work
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Post by: arcain on November 14, 2005, 01:25:29 am: the ax is awsome! ...can you make a 3d bow?
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Post by: Gentar on November 14, 2005, 11:59:45 pm: Still keeping it simple, hope you like it. All you modelers out there, please give me suggestions and help!!!!
(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/short_sword.jpg)
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Post by: arcain on November 16, 2005, 07:17:51 pm: love it!!!! you need to be on ps team!!!!!
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Post by: sekhmet on November 16, 2005, 08:22:40 pm: Good simpel models with nice textures! I love it! You are on the right path my friend! Keep it coming!
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Post by: Gentar on November 20, 2005, 06:46:22 pm: A zooligist kran I did for Zagro.

(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/zookran.jpg)
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Post by: Farren Kutter on November 20, 2005, 07:10:51 pm: Once again, the best art I have seen on these forums... the drawings I mean, though the models are very very good too...
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Post by: arcain on November 20, 2005, 08:09:02 pm: what do you call that thing he is petting?
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Post by: Farren Kutter on November 20, 2005, 11:09:22 pm: it is a coralphant
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Post by: Karyuu on December 02, 2005, 10:55:01 pm: Your models and textures are superb :) Big big big thumbs up on those. But I would really love to see you clean up your sketches sometime and either try strong inks or color, or do something really heavy with graphite with a lot of contrast (natural contrast, not tweaked in photoshop). Basically, less sketch and more drawing ;) Another suggestion is to make some sort of line to imply a surface below the character, some sort of ground. A floating body can work only in special circumstances, and I find that mainly those with a ton of experience and pro skill manage to pull it off. Though when they have that, they tend to avoid floating characters entirely ;D It\'s okay, I\'m guilty of suspending my chars in space too. But a hint of shadow below a body can do tons to an image. Your armor itself is astounding, but some of it gets lost in the sketchy quality of the images - this is why cleaning up may be so important, as armor tends to have a lot of detail that will really shine through if strong strokes are brought forth instead of scribble-lines (though those can be a ton of fun to experiment with).

I wonder how you start drawing - do you go immediately to contour lines, or do you try to make some sort of base first, working with geometric shapes and trying to get the feel for the bulk of the persona you\'re creating? I greatly encourage the latter. And as always, study of anatomy helps both beginners and pros alike, and people like us who kind of get stuck in the middle ;)

And of course, my favorite image:

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(http://www.geocities.com/lothgarv/armor.jpg)

<3
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Post by: Farren Kutter on December 02, 2005, 11:18:52 pm: Hmmm... It MAY look better with the darker lines and stuff... But i sorta like the sketchy quality sometimes... Don\'t know why, I just do... BTW, that is definitely my favorite one too...
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Post by: Gentar on December 03, 2005, 06:24:05 am: Actually I have probably the wierdest, most un-proffesional way of starting a drawing. I tend to make a helmet, and build everything off of that. I make my ideas as I go along. I will do a sort of gestural drawing of the limbs so I can get the right lengths and stuff. I never really learned to draw. Im still in highschool, and I just always kind of could. Im actually going to the Savannah college of art and design next year and going to major in interactive design and game development, so hopefully both my art skills and game developing skills will actually be at a level where I can really contribute to PS.

Thanks Karyuu for the tips! You are way more of a pro than I am obviously, so ill definitely keep them in mind. also thx for deleting the akward nudey post.
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Post by: Dunadurium on January 03, 2006, 04:22:47 am: Hey,
I like your concept art here, it is pretty imaginative and creative, which is what i like about it.
The person, who critiqued you about putting shading in and shadows under the characters I think, while constructive in his reply, is incorrect because while it would improve the actual artwork, as concept art it is unnecessary. All you need is the defined lines and clarity as what is present already
I think that your new stuff also shows a lot of improvement. Just remember to keep them original (which they are) because that makes a fun time modeling :D.

So yeah i did this helm off your first posted pic. It was very fun modeling it:

PS: i made my own thread so i wouldnt be hogging Gentar\'s (as requested by Karyuu) :D http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=21378&boardid=22&styleid=3&sid=7b95c537d0c11298f955769618ae9972
-Dunadurium
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Post by: white_slayer on January 14, 2006, 07:34:10 am: i love your work its awesome can you please do some more dwarf armor thatd be great!

i also drew some armor i based it on bits and pieces of all your armor pictures its my first attempt at armor so its not that great and i used a camera now a scanner.

(http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/2055/armoreddude2wa.th.jpg) (http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=armoreddude2wa.jpg)

bit smudgy cos of camera
i dunno if u can see the pic somehtins rong with the link does image shack delete them afta a while
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Post by: Gentar on January 19, 2006, 04:22:38 am: I had seen it. I have to say that you would have more luck at armor design if you were to study the human body a bit more. Anatomy is important, when designing armor that looks good and functional. It is necessary to see how armor must fit against the human form and also how it must be designed to alow movement. I always think about the ways I would like to be able to move in combat and then design my armor to where it allows for those freedoms.

That is not bad for a first try, but next time try lightly sketching out an accurate body shape very lightly. Use yor own body or photos as reference. Then try to draw the armor to fit on to the figure youve drawn. Dont hesitate to make things look fancy and original as well.
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Post by: white_slayer on January 19, 2006, 04:45:22 am: okay ill take your advice drawing some weapons at the moment anyways i might stick wit hthat for now bit beter.
edit btw what was rong with it?
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: Gentar on September 03, 2006, 08:23:59 am: It is armor so I added Farren's Character to my thread
(http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4348/farrenknight02jl3.jpg)

I like this drawing
(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/7172/dwarfwarriorzk6.png)
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: Proglin on September 03, 2006, 11:22:40 am: Gentar, my compliments... I am simply amazed. These drawings are great. I'm more a pen and paper guy then I am a moddler, so I was flabberghasted by the quallity of your drawings. Pretty please, keep them coming!
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: Baldur on September 03, 2006, 03:22:53 pm: Gentar - I love your art :]
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: rast on September 03, 2006, 03:49:41 pm: i'm amazed :)

love them......
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: Einnol on September 03, 2006, 05:49:17 pm: /me bows to Gentar's skill.

Absolutely awesome drawings. I think the dwarf is my favorite. But, I am probably a bit biased. ;D
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: Peacer on September 03, 2006, 06:11:00 pm: after looking through the pictures of this thread drewling with open mouth... i cna only say "Holy god of socks mother that is really great"

oh and thank you for the mage picture :D

I have to rewrite my story as my psmap got lost when i formatted my computer :S... I'm still confused about how taht happened... but thumbs up to some of the greatest art work i've ever seen, the detail you put into your pictures are amazing :)

good luck in your future drawings
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: Gentar on April 17, 2007, 02:42:29 am: I know Ive been nonexistent for a while both in the forum and development world, but both the school year and rowing season are finalizing and I should be back in business. On top of that I got a brand new high powered computer, and Im learning maya in school. So look forward to some good things in the future. Meanwhile here is another armor concept I did with some spare time. I should have been texturing :(

(http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/2373/hornarmor01ow4.th.jpg) (http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hornarmor01ow4.jpg)
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: Karyuu on April 17, 2007, 02:46:29 am: Your concepting has always been amazing, Gentar, and I'm glad to see that this has not changed in the slightest :) Beautiful work with the latest design.
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: dying_inside on April 17, 2007, 08:19:41 am: Shedloads of skilll.....
Shedloads of skill is all.....
Daaaaaaammmn thats good.
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: Raleigh on April 17, 2007, 08:41:02 am: Creepy... perfect for an undead warlord or something like that.

Leader of the Dark Circle perhaps?
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: Narure on April 17, 2007, 08:30:22 pm: Your skill terrifies me. ::|... :flowers:
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: Gentar on April 18, 2007, 04:34:12 am: I think i should repost it after scanning it because the light hitting the graphite apears as a reflection in the camera. The image quality isn't too great. Thanks for the compliments though guys.
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: Baldur on April 18, 2007, 11:46:24 am: You're using graphite? How come.
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Post by: Gentar on May 02, 2007, 08:48:59 pm: Baldur, because I like pencils :)

(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2829/colordwarvepk3.jpg)

A photoshop project for school
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: Baldur on May 02, 2007, 09:09:50 pm: You're starting well, good use of textures.

The graphite i've worked with have been nothing like pencils. Just a rod of graphite :\ I enjoyed using them last time I tested one.
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: Quitarias on May 11, 2007, 07:57:21 pm: Somehow ive managed to ignore this thread for quite a while......
Must be a punishment from god or something cause Gentar your scetches are plain realisticaly awesome.Still they could use a bit more refined crudeness maybe try a bit more active positions for you characters.Right now they kinda remind me of murals.
Still there was only one thing that buged me in one of your paintings.The one with the mage, well the hand holding the staff was kindof angular.Well anyways all i can say is keep it up.
Youve deifinetly got the skill and patience to be a great artist.
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: Farren Kutter on May 11, 2007, 10:55:52 pm: Perhaps he could try some of the poses I do my drawings in :) The awesomeness of drawing mixed with cool poses would be insane :D
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: oningo on May 11, 2007, 11:45:04 pm: wow! :woot: i just read all the posts in this thread and it shows you have potential to contribute a lot to PS! It looks like you may have to fine tune those finishing touches and 3D modeling a bit to meet the exacting standards of the devs :sorcerer:. All the best with honing those skills :thumbup:
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: Farren Kutter on May 11, 2007, 11:52:34 pm: He is already doing work for the team and indeed has some of his work ingame if I was not misinformed.

Edit: his 2D art that is, not sure bout the 3D art ^^
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: Raleigh on May 12, 2007, 06:51:45 am: Not cartoonish, not "animeish"...

Closer to photorealism. 3d perspectives done.
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: Gentar on May 14, 2007, 06:12:10 pm: Thanks for the compliments guys. I mainly stick to uninteresting poses because I am trying to create designs rather than scenes. Oningo, most of the work on this thread is very old; the models were done as an experiment and i wasnt trying to build anything impressive, But I am a member of the PS team in the 2d department, doing textures. Although its been a while
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: oningo on May 16, 2007, 02:16:00 am: I joined the forum recently and visit it rarely :-[ ...so sorry for the delay in response. Wow! :woot: so you are a part of the team huh? :sorcerer: well ! ... Please accept my thanks on all the effort, I ma sure i am enjoying it. Also my thanks to others on the team and players who have been contributing to this game \\o// . Nice art work here..i just stumbled on this thread ;D . I get lost in such a huge forum :-[ sorry . All the best everyone and thanks for everything with the game :thumbup:
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: Gentar on July 13, 2007, 09:08:10 am: (http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/5144/hornarmorbw3.jpg)
I reposted this image because this version is scanned vs photographed and is more accurate to the original (there is no reflection off of the graphite)

(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/7316/gunwarriorpa0.jpg)

This is quick sketch I did, more of a character study than anything. I usually post time consuming detailed drawings that never turn out as well as id like them to. I almost like this simple drawing better.
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: Baldur on July 13, 2007, 04:27:36 pm: The scanned version is lovely. It looks much better now. Impecable depth on the above drawing with wonderful details and textures. Well done job for a quick sketch on the lower picture :]
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: geostik on July 17, 2007, 12:00:44 am: you clearly show improvement from the first drawings. i liked it when i started seeing 3d models, you wanna do it right, do it yourself :D
impressive work, the last images show what you haven't showed before: depth. study more anatomy and perspective, and try to pose your characters in different situations. ever tried to model more organic things, other than metal plates and shapes ?
last question, how old are you ?
keep it up and show us more.
Title: Re: Gentar's Armor Thread
Post by: Illyria on July 17, 2007, 12:15:12 am: :D Sweet, That first one in your last post does that "Marlin Monroe" thingie ^^ like her (or is it a he?) armor is beibng swept up by the wind and she tries to hold it down.
:sorcerer: Magic Armor drawing man \\o//