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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: Finzima on July 18, 2005, 07:19:18 pm
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so who has read the new Harry Potter book? feel free to talk about the plot here, i just finished reading it.
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I\'ve read most. about 20 pages left. It\'s incredibley dissappointing.
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Finzima
feel free to talk about the plot here
hmm, you may have but others havent you may spoil things for them so all of you keep it shhh!
(*doesn\'t have a copy yet*)
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Originally posted by Talamir
I\'ve read most. about 20 pages left. It\'s incredibley dissappointing.
Well many people said this same thing about the 5th one but I liked it ...
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My friend told me he enjoyed it a bit...but said that it just wasnt the same...maybe there running out of ideas and just improvising on paper
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Didn\'t it just come out like 2 days ago....
Wow, go out more man, it\'s a book......
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In my opinion Harry Potter books are quite weak...mehh
My friend was in Norway at the day of the release of the book...and there were 2 book shops there...1 big and 1 small...most people were at the big store...ok...there came a boy aged 10 he went into small book shop...picked the book up looked at epilogue...went out of the shop and shouted:\"(ok fine I won\'t spoil it for you)!\"
You can imagine...what people felt...like...:D Not all heard what the boy said...so they were keep asking about it...At the end all of them were shouting that..blah blah...wow plot thing...So much fuss for...a book which is not that good anyhows...
But then I havn\'t read all the book....only 1...3rd book...it sorta never made me read on...:P
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Mediocre, utterly.
The character that dies does so in a way that, while dramatic and full of tension, amounts to being pointless. Whilst I realise what was gained was significant, and that this particular characters death will prove instrumental, they really should have had a better end. But that was not the most dissapointing part, for me.
The character that is revealed to be on the wrong team is done so rather early in the book. This character was very complex, and deserved a lot of respect. I actually think that it was the best written character in JKR\'s arsenal - an accidental success, in my opinion. They are revealed for what they are, which is exactly what they appeared to be when they were first introduced. Essentially, that makes the pages and pages of character development utterly irrelevant. That part was handled badly. Still, this is not the most dissapointing part.
No, the thing that dissapointed me most was the overall mediocre plot of the book. All the evil deeds are revealed in the last chapter, a la Deus Ex Machina. There\'s no real sense of foreboding, no build up. It just happens, and is explained away rather frivolously. It\'s the same damned pattern every book since 2 has used, but this time it is more glaringly obvious. Any and all speculation up until that point is null and void because the final answer is plucked from the ether... conveniently.
It\'s as if in draft, JKR got to the end and said \"Oh, bugger. I forgot to put in something other than teenage dramas and angst\" and rewrote (only) the first and last chapters to include the grand sweeping plot. The lack of respect that she gave two of the main, and most loved, characters - plus the extremely weak plot and the over use of deus ex machina plot devices are what make this book the worst of the lot.
What follows is my personal and unsubstansiated opinion, but this further reinforces my firm belief that the first book was not penned by JKR at all. I have no proof other than the absolute certainty that she has been trying to capatalise on the first book and is rapidly losing the magic.
Regardless of my wild accusations, this book was just not up to standard. In the end when the character dies, you feel enough betrayed outrage to demand to see the next book, which I believe is the only reason it happened other than to reinforce the Hero Complex into Harry. They killed one character and villainified another, severly damaging the remaining interesting characters in order to sell the next book.
G R Fox, out.
P.S
As far as the betraying character goes, I am anticipating one of two things. Either things are exactly as they seem (easy to write, and I think this is what will be taken) or there is some other reason that it happened. To preserve the complexity and integrity of the character, I can imagine that they may have been ordered by their victim to do what they did, at all costs in order to gain the trust of the enemy and become a very valuable asset in the fight. This would mean that next book the character is revealed as being on the side of good all along, reinforcing their victims \"misplaced\" faith. This would be harder to write, and I can\'t see it happening. Either way, the fate of this character at the final battle is now reduced to 50/50. Where\'s the mystery in that? Poor writing and character development. Psh.
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Originally posted by Ayshe
Ayshe \"G R Fox\" Alchamet, out.
xD
The rest was long too....
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I have never liked Harry potter, never will. Only seen the first two movies cose I was forced to. Never read any of the books, never will.
I\'m more of a lord of the rings fan. i\'ve read all three books and seen all three movies and have some merchandise.
With J.K. Rolling well she was just in the right place at the right time
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I rest my case! :D
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liked it, funny, though the char who dies is really stupid, the good thing about this episod is that it explains loads of things, about the scar and all.
Will there be only one more book ?
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Originally posted by leji
liked it, funny, though the char who dies is really stupid, the good thing about this episod is that it explains loads of things, about the scar and all.
Will there be only one more book ?
Didn\'t she sign a contract for 8 books? Or 7...hm...
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Originally posted by John_Thazer
Originally posted by leji
liked it, funny, though the char who dies is really stupid, the good thing about this episod is that it explains loads of things, about the scar and all.
Will there be only one more book ?
Didn\'t she sign a contract for 8 books? Or 7...hm...
Wouldnt he leave school at the age of 17, that would be the seventh book.
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Do we really know how long is...the wizard education anyways...It\'s not a normal school after all...
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Seven years of school = Seven books = Seven is the strongest magical number in existance, according to the H.P. setting = Why He made seven horcruxes = Why He is almost immortal.
Gee, haven\'t any of you people actually read the book(s)?
And Ayshe, you have seemed to misunderstand the whole point of the reveal-everything-ending. It was never to just sum up what happened in the book, it\'s always been to give clues to what will happen in the following books, and to sort out all the confusion there has been ever since you start reading the book, simply because there never is enough clues to exactly figure everything out.
You people disappoint me very much. Discussing something you have no clue about... *Sigh*
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Originally posted by Kiva
Seven years of school = Seven books
Wouldnt that be what I said?
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Originally posted by Kiva
And Ayshe, you have seemed to misunderstand the whole point of the reveal-everything-ending....
You people disappoint me very much. Discussing something you have no clue about... *Sigh*
I am absolutely thrilled to dissappoint you.
I think you\'ve misunderstood me. It\'s not the reveal-everything-ending that I was talking about, in fact I made no such mention. What I was talking about was the fact that this book was significantly more lazy in it\'s plot development than any other so far. You don\'t really see Malfoy at all, nor Voldemort nor any glimpse of the plot. If you don\'t know what I mean, re-read the first book and compare the way they found out about the Stone, and tried to get it. This time, no one believed Harry and very little was done - zero advancement until the action packed, suspenseful and very well written end.
It\'s not without it\'s good parts, I very much enjoyed the explanations of how Riddle became Voldemort, and there are plenty of hooks left. I especially like how the whole dynamic has changed at the end of this book, and the next one is going to be very different indeed.
My complaint is that it was rushed, and lazy. A mediocre effort, when this book aught to have been the second best in the series, the top spot reserved for book seven.
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Edited thread title to give a spoiler warning.
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Gah! Noooo. The warning made me wanna read it... Sets the book down I...hate...warnings :P
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What you have to remember abiout the Harry Potter books is that they are Billy Bunter/Enid Bylton boarding school stories with magic thrown in. Nothing more, nothing less. JK Rowling basically said so herself.