PlaneShift
Gameplay => Wish list => Topic started by: Verrliit on July 20, 2005, 08:24:11 pm
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PS needs bathrooms, to give the player that needs to go AFK:
1. A reason within roleplay, to leave the discussion.
2. A place to go while they are gone, eliminating the wordless statue in the room.
3. Added realism and immersion in roleplay, bathroom break being the most common reason for AFK.
This would be a feature appropriate to any gathering place, tavern, pub, restaurant, guild hall, library etc.
Also, this would be a really easy and quick addition to implement.
Suggested location in the tavern, would be the rear of the lowest stair landing, perhaps with a sign reading: \"Used Ale\"
As one of the ladies, I hope this is created soon.
The Dark Lady
Verrliit
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I was about to agree with you... until I realized we\'d need poorly maintained medieval-ish outhouses... 8o um... do we really want to see that rendered?... Though, as of yet we don\'t need to eat... so we wouldn\'t need bathrooms yet... :P But, the idea has potential, so I do think adding something like this might be useful.
Someone had the idea of AFKing making the character nod off and go to sleep. We could extrapolate on this and have people go up to rooms in the inn for naps.
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See what you get?
*sigh* If one commits the error of designing sewers has to deal with this consequences...
/me awaits for a new ecological guild to pop up claiming to keep the Hydlla rivers clean (because all that water in the sewers ends leading somewhere...)
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I love the idea of this! :) It?s annoying if you run to the loo (IRL) and come back to find some poor person has spent a better part of their game trying to converse with you.
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Great, so now we\'ll have to experience long lines in PlaneShift, too? ;)
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Well, the bathrooms might get crowded.
But collisions are not implemented yet so it should not matter that much.
You can get any number of people (or other humanoids) inside a bathroom :D
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Hum... and for those who dont want to have a bath?
(sometimes Im lost ... where is IRL? where is IC? -> its the mmorpg effects: the bath are only IC :D )
And if you dont want to be afk? For example : if you wanna sing while having a bath? eh its important for sure.
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Under crowded conditions, once collision is turned on, lines will also add to the realism of roleplay.
And to our French romantic:
The second bathroom that also has a shower and bathtub, should be located upstairs near the bedrooms, of course.
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french romantic ?
where ?
nice to see people here wanna live in a medieval world which loks like a perfect copy of our IRL world...
a bath a shower...
its hard to imagine people used to wash them in a little bac, in the river or in a public bath (like roman one)...
so... why wanting a personal shower or a personal bath ?
Im against because i finally find its against the rp... hygienic and cleaning system isnt very old...
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My apologies, fken.
I assumed French, since that is your location. I assumed romantic because you mentioned doing something besides bathing, or going AFK in a bathroom.
And I point out:
Any world that has fountains, sewers, fire magic and ice magic; also has sinks, toilets, hot baths and cold drinks.
The Dark Lady
Verrliit.
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Great idea, Verrlitt!
Though when I\'m away, for the time being I at least try to take the time to find a discrete location away from the fray to avoid being one of those \"statues.\"
My /away message: \"meditating...be back soon\" I figure it works. :)
I\'d also be interested in seeing a conceptual drawing of a medieval age bathroom, though this is a fantasy world (as you pointed out) and there certainly is levity to take some out-of-historical-context license.
Peace,
Danok
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Bathrooms are not really nessesary expecilay at the moment when theres bigger stuff to be done.
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That doesn\'t mean the concept cannot be discussed, Ryan. In fact it is better to discuss such things now, before there is time to implement them, since this give the community plenty of time to tweak ideas to \"perfection.\" Frankly I think it would be an interesting addition.
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well ur right this is a wishlist after all.
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I like the idea, though I agree it shouldn\'t be a priority. I think instead of just small bathrooms there should be bath houses like in Ancient Rome. That way it can actually serve a purpose more than AFK and be a place for communication, and bathing ofcourse.
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Heh, yeah, it\'s a nice idea. Just hope the lines aren\'t too long or else there will be many afk people in them :P.
And hey, it\'s fantasy indeed, but that doesn\'t mean that our characters don\'t have certains needs, such as this one.
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Verrliit grumbles under her breath about the lack of bathrooms, as she stalks off to find a clean piece of lawn, and a little privacy.
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I dont like it much. Why need a bath when there is a lake. (Unless out in the middle of no where). But the out house seems nice tho.
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Well, is every city going to be by a lake? ;) Certainly if you\'re a wandering vagabond, lakes and streams will be your solution for maintenance. But cities are often noisy and smelly, so if realism is your desire, bathrooms would be an interesting addition. I think anything that could enhance RP and serves no other function would be excellent - in time, of course.
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theres big holes in the cavern walls :|
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Yes, Demarthl. Yes there are. So everyone who needs to answer nature\'s call from Ojaveda should scamper to the caverns, ey? :D I like it. A race against time.
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that and the fact your punishable by death if your caught dumping any form of waste in the water, klyros and nolthrir live there dude!
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Soooooooo...... then, what are we using the sewers for? :P There\'s pipes coming in from somewhere... I say, hook \'em up! Of course, that\'ll make newbies want to go down there even less.................. ;)
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Ehhh hell why not. And for a tuch of realism, you should have sewer rats poping out of the toilet holes.
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obviously the sewers are attached to the rather large holes in the cavern walls >.< common sense people!
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How about stand in the fountain? I like the rats spawn in the out house idea.
/me thinks, what\'s the line to the out house?
/me looks, oh everybody\'s working up their PP...
\"We\'re not shy here.\"
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I like the idea also............but, bags not spending my Tria on the Rock Soap. ;)
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I still think this it is a 19-20-21th idea not a middleage idea.
You Kary wrote the city could have that... I think it could be an idea but not in each cities! only in very advanced one (like Elfic one :D ... hum hum...).
The problem is that you are all thinking with your 21th\'s ideas not with realistic one.
Verrliit, you said there are bathroom in every world of magic aso
But
Can you explain to me since how much time PS devs copy the others games? is like every others magical worlds?
@Verrliit oh a Bath with my love...
clear water... I come... brown water... how romantic :P
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Fken I have but one word for you, one place, one time in history that counters all your arguments........
Rome
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Bravo, Hatchnet. Brilliantly done.
Not even those who would imprison the world of Yliakum within the bounds of Earth\'s medieval history, can now object to filling in this missing piece.
You have my thanks.
The Dark Lady
Verrliit
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I like the idea about the player Noding off after there AFK for a bit more then a Bathroom.
i mean if you have to go afk quickly your not gana find a Bathroom to go afk in, and what would be the advantages to doing so even if you did??
only one i could think of is you won\'t get attacked when your afk BUT you shouldent be geting attacked in a Tavern anyway so i see the point as kinda being Mute.
Player Nod\'s off after 10-15min\'s and a Set of 3-4 \"ZZzz\" Apper next to there name as there head Droops.
Humm....??
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Bathrooms or out houses? Great idea. Throw in a shower and we can have a spa. Make soapmaking a skill and we can harvest all the fat from Tefus, tepors and other beasts. As to rats in outhouses, I never saw one from my use of them. Plenty of spiders though. I do not think that rats would relish outhouses. They are too clean for that.
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It\'s moot, not mute. Lol!
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Originally posted by Hatchnet
Fken I have but one word for you, one place, one time in history that counters all your arguments........
Rome
Hatchnet I have but one word for you, one place, one time in history that counters all your arguments........
Rome
... why ?
because Rome was a city not an entire world.
Of course there were some nice place to have a bath...
they had a bath every day? hum... not sure it was the reality!
everyone had the posibility to have a bath? hum... not sure it was the reality!
So only for rich people, not in every cities, not every day, I said before something like:
I think it could be an idea but not in each cities! only in very advanced one (like Elfic one ... hum hum...).
hum yeah hachnet... I feel I have been countered lol
Why not a bath? Really I think it could be a nice idea but the problem is that I hope it will be in a special place, not in the Kada El\'s tavern (for the love of Talad!!!). I dont wanna see bathroom in every cities or every house! But in only one city, in only one really big and beautiful thermal house, it would be magical!
So your example, \"rome\", is something I like. A unique thermal place for the entire Yliakum! not in my so loved perfect prefered Tavern!
@Verlitt: one point for you, but it\'s very similar to what I said: you reproach me to think with the ideas of the irl middleage I reproach you to think with the ideas of the irl present (like everyone think today...). I think there could be a compromise... there is a big nuance between our ideas... but really... in a world which contains only less than 10 cities, seeing bath in every place every house or even only every tavern... it\'s really too much!
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How about a public bath in the main village? It is the most frequented by new player starting out, and the rich have no desire to wash the unclean masses in any sort of private/expensive way? ;) On the out lands, trade routes maybe an occational out house where rats spawn? In a nice private residence, if such a place is ever needed?
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I think too many things still are in Hyddlaa... it would better to have one in another city. Dont you see? there are already 2 cities... but ojaveda looks like a dead city... so imagine the others city which will come...
I thought about the dermorian city for example or another elfic city.
Of course it\'s impossible to see a great thermal center in a dwarves city ( :P :D :P ) and in the other species I think the cities will be (almost) submarine city(... do you think they need a thermal place there ?) and a \"sky city\" (not really easy to imagine a thermal place like roman\'s ones there...) ... really an elfic city would be a good place for a thermal center...
PS : I know nothing about the non released cities so my suposition came only from the sepcies specifications...
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Fken and Neme5i5:
You are both trying to help, I know, but this thread has nothing whatsoever to do with bathing.
A tub and shower would make sense if a toilet was installed next to the bedrooms, but only as an expected decoration.
I apologize if my American usage of the word bathroom, to mean toilet, was confusing.
The Dark Lady
Verrliit
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Fken I suggest you garner a little more knowledge about Rome and the roman world before you start makeing claims about it.
Did every outpost have running water? No.
Did every out post have a bath house? Yes. Bathing was an essential part of Roman society and every one was expected to stay clean from the; lowliest slave to the Emperor himself. I know what your thinking now \"How could slaves aford to bath?\". It is quite simple the public bath houses were actualy free; like the public latrine system the public baths were considered a public service and were free for anyone to use.
Also you make it sound as if Roman technology was confined to Rome or the Italian Peninsula. It was not. The Romans spread their comforts around with idea of makeing everyone Roman. Only the smallest of border outposts did not have an aquaduct running to it, and where there was an aquaduct there was running water not to mention a public latrine.
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Good Sir Hatchnet,
be gentle in victory over those who are your allies.
And thank you for adding further detail upon the Roman water system, and latrines.
The Dark Lady
Verrliit
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@hachnet :
1) thanks for remembering there were slaves I wasnt thinking about it lol
2) thank you for remembering how Rome was working before because I must admit it\'s something i learnt 12 - 15 years ago... So I admit I am not aware of everything about Rome.
But
3) I saw some kind of mistakes: first Romans didnt want that everyone become roman: in their mind there were Rome in one side, the colonized countries/cities in another side and the rest of the world which was the home of Barbarians they had to conquer or to be protected against those barbarians...
I forgot thermal places were free for everyone. But even, I am not sure it was free for absolutly everyone (was it the case in the colonized countries? it\'s a real question)
@Verliit, I am lost were you speaking about bathroom or about toilets ???
If it\'s toilets it would be something odd. I thought every toilets were outside the home until the 20th...
And then it\'s hard to imagine an hygienic way of living in a world where people let their dead corpses in a sea...
Explain your idea please. How would be your toilets?
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Its not a war: there is no camps there is no allies there is no... it\'s so childish. really!
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Not outhouses...
But a more sanitary bathroom would be nice if it was possible in the middle ages, a feat which I think would take either genius or luck or magic in the middle ages.
Public baths in Hydlaa=Good idea for newbies who like their sanitation and a place to RP? But no outhouses...
I don\'t think the devs want to even model that. Unless the outhouse is well maintained. And I think we\'re going to run out of pockets in the walls of the cavern to dump waste into at some point several thousand milleniums into the future. But this game is a fantasy game so I expect that some mage will clean everything out at some point with some sort of scourging spell.
Now that I read over this it seems rather disorganized...
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It is a good idea to have some way for another citizen to be able to tell when another is AFK. But to clutter the landscape with outhouses and baths is perhaps not the best answer. I would propose that when a player goes AFK or becomes idle for more than 2 (or whatever sems best) minutes, the character fade or perhaps dissapear entirely. Other citizens will not try to speak to a citizen they cannot see.
(for the record, I do like the idea of a few large public baths (one in each city perhaps), and a few smaller private baths scattered about for attending to those personal hygene matters. However care should be taken not to overwhelm the landscape. A hot bath might be nice after a long day of hunting etc., though I do wonder about where to hang my clothing..:)
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Answering the topic question:
PS need bathrooms the same way as it need fridges, electric ovens and all this stuff what wasn\'t in medieval times. Of course PS isn\'t exact copy of medieval times. There was much more cyvilizations before, like roman one.
I really don\'t know what o tell about this. I gues the idea of this topic could be good for next episode of http://www.thenoobcomic.com/
I reed few posts of fken and i agree with him.