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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Orndorff_Trolls on July 29, 2005, 12:17:28 pm
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THE REPTILIAN ORDER IS DEAD! all of the below is a waist to read
I am happy to announce the arrival of a new guild in PS, The Reptilian Order. The Reptilian Order is a guild especially for my kin, the race called Klyros (the bluish-green character with wings)
Everything about The Reptilian Order is on the website. http://www.reptilian-order.tk
To join the guild simply click the bottom button titled \"Visit our forums\" then register on the forums. Once registered, go to the bottom of the page and there should be \"Guild Applications\" there is where you can join.
I want EVERYONE to know that they should not join UNTIL they have read the rules, beliefs, AND the history.
Happy gaming everyone!
By request of Kiramon, I am posting everything about the guild here.
Alignment
Good
Forums
http://reptilianorder.forumsplace.com/
History
Toward the beginning of time, there was a great war that broke out. This war was swift and quick. It was between the Klyros and the Trolls. Now, the the trolls were a very hostile group that were not so hostile once they got to know you, and they were living in the realm of the Klyros before the war even began.
Yes, you guessed it, this is where Orndorff comes in. Now Orndorff had a very odd, but wealthy family and a very good friend named Qedosh. Orndorff was a half-n-half. His father was a troll and his mother was a Klyros. But oddly, his physical and mental states were 100% Klyros. His parents were only together to keep peace between the Trolls and the Klyros. Yes, they were the leaders of each group, his mother was Queen of the Klyros and his father was King of the Trolls, though neither controlled the opposite group.
On his ninth birthday his parents were ingaged in an extremely large argument. No one could hear why they were arguing because they were in the other end of the castle where no one was expecting them. Orndorff, at that time, was looking for his father because his new short sword had gotten dull from killing rats. When he walked down the long winding stairway, he started to hear his father\'s scruffy barks. Then, suddenly, his father came raging out of the room and ran out of the castle. At that moment his mother called for the guards, told them to gather up every soldier possible, and prepare them for war.
Orndorff was very confused and ran to his good friend Qedosh, who had played war with him in the streets every day of his life. When he arrived at the house of Qedosh, Qedosh was standing strait as a long sword staring in horror at the red sky. Orndorff was a little more than confused and was about ask him what was going on, but before he could speak he heard a horn blow and a few women scream. Then, suddenly ten-thousand trolls came raging down the hillside burning every house around.
Qedosh and Orndorff ran off to a secret tunnel, where they used to hide from their parents. They waited and waited. For eight hours they sat in the cold and damp tunnel for the trolls to leave. They became very tired of sitting so Orndorff stood up to walk over to the south enterance to check if the trolls had left yet, but to his suprise, when he stepped out a troll jumped down from above and storted in Orndorff\'s face. Qedosh and Orndorff ran out the north enterance. They ran through the country of the Klyros\' so fast everything was a blur. They became very exhausted very fast because of the heat from the flames and descided to stop and try to find water in a house that was some-what in tact but still burnt up pretty bad. When they entered the black house, they saw no water at all... just dead bodies... They both ran outside and looked around and everyone around them was dead. Feeling a little sick, Orndorff and Qedosh descided to travel to the city that had the legendary temple in it that looked like a big flame. This city was also a trade center full of many different races. It was very far from Orndorff\'s castle. It was somewhere that no troll lived, at least we think so. Orndorff just wanted to grab some stuff from the castle beforre they left.
Arriving at the castle the stood horror-strucken, they observing the imposibility of burning stone. Both were now VERY confused now and started running toward the city trying not remember one moment of that night, when unexpectedly they bump into gogetahan and descided to take him with them since he, like them, now had no one to look after them except eachother.
After a dreadfully long walk, for 2 nine-year-olds and a 4-year-old, had such tired feet that they had to flutter with their wings that were not fully grown yet (not fully grown did not take them too far). Soon enough, they colapsed near some children playing in the fields. There were three of them total. Two of them were Enkidukai and the other one was a klyros. The klyros took them to town and in the morning showed Orndorff around.
A while after that after each one of them had grown a few years, Orndorff had a sudden unstoppable mourning for his dead mom and the other klyros and wanted to keep the pride of the old klyros country he had once known. He also realized that the only good thing that had happened to him in his life were klyros. He rememberd how his mom had sword trained him and trained him in agility. He also rememberd the ugly trolls that were in magic school with him that were always flunking and threatening to kill him if he didn\'t help them.
But, he knew not all races were bad because he had gotten help from the Enkidukai when they were exhausted, and when he was in the cave-in while exploring some mines men and dwarves had helped him out. He just favored klyros out of all because they were usually the most kind and helpful.
After a while, Qedosh finally agreed to make a guild for Klyros. Once gogetahan was old enough he too would join. After a bit of persuasion Dandamis joined and was a major help to the guild.
Rules
1 - No \"stealing\" rats or other monsters from other players
2 - No fighting over such a petty thing as a rat because \" stole my rat!\"
3 - Treat everyone the same even if you are not.
4 - Help someone if they ask for help because I am sure you would appriciate the extra help if you were new.
5 - Treat all other guild members with respect.
6 - Respect the guild leader because if you do not you will be kicked from the guild.
7 - Do not give any information to an enemy guild. If you are caught you will be immediately kicked from the guild.
8 - NEVER EVER NOT HAVE FUN!!
(have fun)
9 - Never Spam or flam anyone
10 - MOST IMPORTANT: OBEY ALL PS RULES!
Beliefs
* I believe that there should be as little war as possible, but on occasion guild wars can be fun...
* If there is ever the need to have war (outside of having a fun guild war) is if another guild offends us or our race.
* If another player *not guild* offends us or our race, we should not give a responce to them. We should just add them to our \"ignore\" list.
* Every race is equal, every man is equal,
* Help everyone do not taunt them.
* If someone steals something from you, take it back but do not take more than what was taken from you.
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Well, to start off with you got most of the basics: Story, website and so on. But I haven\'t seen anything about ranks or alignment, are these still under development?
also the yahoo thing on the website is extremely annoying, perhaps a change of host?
also I checked your forum and didn\'t find anything called guild applications...
Other than that, I find the rules a little thin - try and add more, you can eventually draw inspiration from other guilds.
Also interested in knowing what are the goals of the guild? and your name is a little unoriginal... \"The Klyros\"?
and last question, does your guild promote RP in any way?
2 finish off, I will give an advice and a note
*advice: Better to post the info here, instead of pointing us to the website - might seem extremely lasy.
*note: You may use the Klyros picture, as long as it is in connection to Planeshift.
Should do it for now I think...
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I\'m not even going to bother commenting on the rest of your guild until you change the name.
Seriously, \"The Klyros\"? That\'s just sad. If you become popular even the least little bit(which I doubt, being the cynical person I am...), then everyone\'s going to talk about \"The Klyros\" and no one\'s gonna know if they mean the race or the guild. Think about it, what\'s the point of having named a guild the same as a race? A race is already exclusive, having a guild for a race is... redundant.
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Ah ha, so is this the mystery guild that keeps changing its name everytime it gets a new member? Last time I looked it was called \"The Five Klyros\", but it was four and three before that... I was going to be evil and start up and alt and take the guild name \"The Six Klyros\", just to stop you, but I thought better of it...
And, as Phinehas has pointed out, its a pretty stupid name, really. Ok your guild might be based on Klyroses (that cant be right... does anyone know what the plural for Klyros is? Klyorae?), but at least come up with something else.
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well at least there are some \"rules\" and the like so hopefully it wont be one of those mass recruiting guilds, the ironicly named \"The Chosen Few\" anyone?
and the website loads funny in firefox .6 it might just be me though.
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1. Yes the ranks and alignment are under construction
2. I am sorry that I cannot change hosts because I know very little of html
3. I stated that you would need to register, but I will go change it so it is not hidden
4. On the rules, they are also under construction.
5. lol good point Pinehas. I never thought of that. I will try making a better name.
6. This guild promotes a little rp, but not much. The purpose is to destroy the foulest beasts which are and may be even worse than the threatening trolls Orndorff used to live with. And we are supposed to try to help hold peace between other players in the game, but if there is ever a guild war we will ally with the good and help fight evil.
7. The reason I did not post everything is because it is very long and would take up a large amount of space, but if you would like I will post it.
8. Thank you for letting me use the picture.
9. Don\'t worry Drey, I don\'t want It to be a mass recruitment.
10. Yes, ramlambmoo this is the \"mysterious\" guild that Kept changing its name, but then I descided it would be too hard for players to remember, so I stopped. Also, I did not know anyone was actually paying attention to our guild :D
Edit: I just realized that I will be gone for the next three days so it is highly likely that I will not be able to get on because today I have to go get a sports physical and Saturday and Sunday I will not be home.
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10. Yes, ramlambmoo this is the \"mysterious\" guild that Kept changing its name, but then I descided it would be too hard for players to remember, so I stopped. Also, I did not know anyone was actually paying attention to our guild
I pay attention to everything, it is my business to...
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Well, since alot of people think my guild name sucks, I would like some opinions on this name while I am gone - The Klyros Protectors of Good
or is that a little too long? ANY opinion (good or bad) will help me alot just dont flam please ;)
Edit: I leave tomorrow afternoon
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Reptilian Enclave?
The feeling i get from your guild is a street gang of helpful klyros
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Originally posted by druke
Reptilian Enclave?
The feeling i get from your guild is a street gang of helpful klyros
A very good name indeed. I shall use it. Thank you! *scratch the name above*
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Well, since alot of people think my guild name sucks, I would like some opinions on this name while I am gone - The Klyros Protectors of Good
o.O Thats a joke right? Like, you\'re being sarcastic right?\"The Klyros Protectors of Good\"?? Can you get anymore unoriginal and cliched? Oh, I know, why dont you just name your guild \"The Good Guys\" or something. Seriously mate, you gotta work on your guild naming skills....
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I have to applaude Druke. That name works well.
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I hope it is not too late to make a suggestion myself, as a member of the guild, even.
I offer as a suggestion:
\"Order of the Balanced Klyros\"
or
\"Klyrosian Order of Balance\"
What say thee, fellow Klyros?
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That was sarcasm right...right?
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Couldn\'t you at least make a suggestion if you don\'t like mine? Or offer constructive criticism about _why_ you don\'t like it?
Oh wait - nevermind - you\'re the guy in the guild with the name \"Terrible Killers\" in Latin (a language which doesn\'t exist in Yliakum, BTW) - yeah, that\'s a much more original name. hmmmmm.
Thanks anyway for your feedback. If the \"Terrible Killers\" didn\'t like it, I must be on the right track. ;-)
As a side note I wanted to add that I think my suggestion is in line with both the history of the guild as presented by Ordorff and also with the spirit of his intentions (\"protectors of good\", etc.)
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(a language which doesn\'t exist in Yliakum, BTW)
Latin doesn\'t exist. exactly. That means You call us Atrox Interfecio. Two words with no meaning. Only a title..since there IS no latin *rolls eyes*
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Talamir\'s right about Atrox Interficio. It doesn\'t make it a great guild name, but he\'s still right.
As for your suggestion Dandamis. It\'s lame and sad. The Order of the Balanced Klyros? It\'s like you glued a bunch of words together. There\'s no rhyme, no rythm. It doesn\'t even sound good if you say it out loud.
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Alright, well i\'m not all that attached to the suggestion anyway, but I still think it\'s the best one offered here. Of course, you 2 above and others of similar ilk will disagree and that\'s what makes these games fun and interesting: I wouldn\'t expect members of an evil \"terrible killers\" to agree with much that a good-natured clan says or thinks.
Personally I don\'t think Reptilian Enclave *sounds* that bad phonetically, but to me it sounds like a lame spin-off of \"the felines lair\" which I don\'t really care for either, but that\'s just my 2 trias.
My only real point in my 2nd post (besides the fact that I forgot to add the side notes in my original post) is that this is a thread who\'s focus is supposed to be in helping Orndorff with his guild. I don\'t see how it helps when all you do is say \"that\'s lame\" or \"sarcasm right?\"
Everyone has opinions, and if you can get a roomful of 10 people to agree, you\'re doing good - much less a whole online community. So it goes without saying that ANY suggestion is going to be balked at by some - and by actually being one of those persons and *posting* your negative comments all you do is assert that you value your opinions more than the opinions of others. Which is *EXACTLY* the kind of behavior you\'d expect from an evil guild and *EXACTLY* the kind of thing that this guild is NOT about.
What would really be helpful, are *SUGGESTIONS* that you find better. It\'s easy to bash someone elses ideas, but not helpful. It would be really helpful, on the other hand, if you put your trias where your spout is and offered a suggestion you like better.
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I know! Why dont you call your guild the Krazy Killing Kylros! Then you would.. oh wait. Never mind.
(Jokes, no offense to anyone who is likely to get offended..)
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*laughs out loud*
Wow. Interesting mix. First you come out with the fact that you dislike originality, since that\'s basically what you\'re saying. Reptilian Enclave is waaay more original than the Order of Balanced Klyros, or whatever.
Then you come in with the naivety. You seriously think a heartfelt plea like that is going to stop people from posting their opinions, sarcasm, or humor?
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That is a fairly good suggestion Dandamis but pinehas has a point, It has no rythm... *I have yet to see a name that rhymes* except I don\'t think the name has to rhyme... were not writing a poem. And it just seems a little long... which is why I settled with the name \"The Klyros\" in the first place, because it was short.
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How about a combination of the two suggestions:
The Reptilian Order
I don\'t like \"enclave\" for the same reason I don\'t like \"lair\" - it refers to a place rather than a collection of people with a similar aim / ideal. ie. The Reptilian Order might have their headquarters at the Reptilian Enclave...
Or did you mean that you\'re now decided to stick with The Klyros, which is a *little* plain, but still OK with me.
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Of coarse its OK with you, you joined me :tongue:
But first, I would like to hear a little more criticism about the name you just now suggested *laughs*
I just realized that most of the people, except Druke, have been telling us we have bad \"naming skills\" (if there is such a thing) and not giving any suggestions except to think up a better one.
But I think Reptilian Order would be a good name... it sounds better than that long one you suggested before :D, I am going to Qedosh\'s house today so I\'ll consult with him.
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The reptilian Order..Thats actually pretty decent, good even. I like it, 1 1/2 thumbs up. Your naming skillz0rz has been raised by 1 :)
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OK, first of all: I very much dislike race-specific guilds. I think they should not be allowed.
Secondly, while \"The Reptile Enclave\" surely is a lot like \"The Felines Lair\", it\'s still better than the other suggestions I have seen posted here so far. I still don\'t like it due to it\'s copy-cat-edness.
Thirdly, \"a little RP\" most definitely does not suffice in order to overcome the negative feelings I have towards race-specific guilds.
Edit: Reptilian Order is decent, aye. /Edit
Then again... maybe we should save the good names for the decent guilds.
As for latin: Talamir is not right. It absolutely doesn\'t matter that there is no latin in PS (in fact, it makes the entire thing even worse by forcing in things that don\'t exist in PS). There also are no computers in PS, but does that mean that a guild called \"The Computer Wizards\" would be acceptable? Totally not!
The only thing that helps that is that few people know enough latin to translate it, but the same goes for a lot of languages.
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As for latin: Talamir is not right.
Blame Amheh, he gave me that idea and all others.
BTW: That wasn\'t a que to start an arguement. I think both of us can see that this will be one of those endless totally two sided things..But come on. Atrox Interficio. I\'ll rename us to the terrible killers then -.-
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The only way that this guild is like the Felines Lair is because its race specific and we help everyone.
I actually got my first ideas from reading about the Mirth Guild because when I asked a question about creating a guild on another topic, Pinehas told me that I should look at other guilds to see whats out there even if I thought I knew everything about creating a guild.
Originally posted by CadRipper
As I said, just check a few other posts that present new guilds, if you\'re unsure about what to do ;)
Originally posted by Phinehas
In fact, do it even if you think you\'re sure about what to do.
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In response to Seytra, I really want to comment:
I actually turned down the invitation to join originally largely due to that exact sentiment (not liking the idea of race-specific guilds), but after reading the Great PlaneShift History (and the in-game description of the race) I changed my mind. Klyros share a strong sense of brotherhood with their own race and they are the only race to have strong enough free will to refuse Laanx\'s commands when first brought to Yliakum. It makes very good sense that Klyros would want to join together with their own kind.
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@ Dandamis: this sounds a lot like the usual racist arguments of \"We are superiour\". :tdown:
So how about the dwarves, who \"have a great pride of their race\"? Will they also have a race-specific guild? What about all the non-Klyros atheists? What about the Klyros who actually are not atheists?
Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
The only way that this guild is like the Felines Lair is because its race specific and we help everyone.
/me waits for \"The Human Congregation\" (Ylians only), \"The Human Embassy\" (Xacha only), \"The Watery Pool\" (Nolthrir only), \"The Pointy-ears Lot\" (Dermorians only), \"The Dwarven Mine\" (Stonebreakers only), \"The Dwarven Forge\" (Hammerwielders only), \"The Aesthetic Brotherhood\" (Lemurs only), \"The Rocky Ones\" (Kran only), \"The Pleasant Consorts\" (Diaboli only), \"The Giant Fellowship\" (Ynnwns only) that do the same as the FL and RO for the respective races. :rolleyes:
Yes, I know that there is an elves-only guild already. :tdown:
@ Talamir: I was going to mention the DeT and IT along with AI, yes.
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Nowhere is there any thought that Klyros are superior - do you really not understand the concept of brotherhood?
What about women\'s groups and men\'s groups? Men and women have definite different interests and cultural biases etc. therefore there are plenty of organizations dedicated to only one gender - does this mean that they have any resentment towards the other gender? Or that they are superior? Not hardly. But they find strength and value in their fraternity. And I quote from the beliefs section of the web-site: \"Every race is equal, every man is equal\"
I don\'t see this as precluding alliances with guilds of similar goals regardless of race.
As for the religious question, I don\'t see the relevance. It isn\'t a religious guild. It is one of good alignment but that\'s as close as it gets. As for non-good Klyros, they can organize however they want, lol. Obviously they won\'t want to be part of this guild. And just because your a Klyros doesn\'t guarantee you admitance either, so perhaps your preconceptions are just not quite on target. Have you bothered to read the web-site?
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Originally posted by Dandamis
Klyros share a strong sense of brotherhood with their own race and they are the only race to have strong enough free will to refuse Laanx\'s commands when first brought to Yliakum. It makes very good sense that Klyros would want to join together with their own kind.
So this is in no way feeling superior, then, and banding together with only their kind due to it?
Edit: Not to mention that this conclusion you derived from the history section is wrong: the Diaboli also do not accept the gods. For different reasons, yes, but still.
Furthermore, since you brought up \"brotherhood\": Since when does brotherhood stop at race boundaries? Is someone who shares the exact same POV as yourself but not a Klyros automatically not capable of forming brotherhood-bonds with you?
Consequently, is any Klyros, no matter of what they actually do and think, automatically connected to you by these brotherhood bounds? I think your concept of \"brotherhood\" is a bit skewed.
Edit 2: Your edit answered some of the points in here, but I leave them in for completeness.
Edit 3: You yourself brought in the religiusness, so why did you do that if you think it\'s not relevant?
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I didnt bring in religion - you must\'ve misinnterpreted what I was saying. I was relating PS history - which has references to Gods in it. That is the only way anything I said was religious. (At least that was my intent - what were you referring to?)
And No. It doesn\'t have anything to do with superiority. Commonality - yes. Groups form naturally when they have things in common. Race is a big thing to have in common. Organizing around it isn\'t a declaratin that those that are different are inferior. It appears to me that you are overly sensitive to the \"race card\". But you should remember that Yliakum is not like the world out here where race is abused as a political instrument. In fact in Yliakum there is very little if any sense of racism. That too is from the history, if I do recall correctly.
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Originally posted by Dandamis
I didn\'t make that up - that\'s Planeshift History! That\'s a FACT carved in stone, not a variable in this equation.
I know the history of Ps fairly well, thank you very much.
I did not say you made that up. What you however did not mention is that Diaboil also don\'t bow to Talad or Laanx.
Edit: Also, the history doesn\'t say anything about \"strong enough free will\". It merely states that they did not accept Laanx\'s claims to be their god. In fact, it hints at a completely different reason behind that.
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Originally posted by Dandamis
Most certainly did not. I said Klyros were the only one to refuse Laanx;s commands when first brought to Yliakum. The Diaboli were brough by Talad without trying to impose his will on them - he is very different from Laanx. I never claimed that Klyros were the only one to refuse the gods. You put words in my mouth I did not intend.
Maybe you did not intend these, but your formulations seem to imply them. Whether Talad tried to impose his will is of no importance, as is whether Laanx or Talad did to the other races.
What is important is that you yourself said that the Klyros consider themselves superiour to other races because they had such a strong will that not even Laanx managed to bend it. This is clearly wrong and resembles racist attitudes.
Also, He did not bring them there, they came by themselves.
Furthermore, quoting from the history:
From the PS history
All the Talad\'s efforts to make the Diaboli his followers failed. The Diaboli were inclined to disappear whenever someone began to discuss about religion.
So he did in no way try to be their god?
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Well, technically no other race is a \"brother\" with Orndorff except the trolls, and since there are no trolls in the game the Klyros are the only ones there. Also, if the trolls were in the game we would not allow them in the guild because their race had destroyed our ancestors and friends (if you\'ve read the klyros guild history)
Edit: Did I just see a mod use his/her powers for their own liking?
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Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
Well, technically no other race is a \"brother\" with Orndorff except the trolls, and since there are no trolls in the game the Klyros are the only ones there. Also, if the trolls were in the game we would not allow them in the guild because their race had destroyed our ancestors and friends (if you\'ve read the klyros guild history)
Why do you insist on having trolls in your bacstory if you know that they don\'t exist in PS?
Why would they be brothers to you if they destroyed your clan? Why would only Klyros be eligible to be your brothers if even trolls who destroyed your clan would technically be?
And no, I have not read the history of your guild. I am perfectly sure that one can write up a history to justify anything. Nevertheless, that doesn\'t make it any better.
Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
Edit: Did I just see a mod use his/her powers for their own liking?
No, you most definitely did not. As you can easily see, it was the poster himself who edited out the content. That\'s what the \"Post last edited by \" is for. A mod would have deleted the post. Also, the mods in here usually are pretty neutral and decent.
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Originally posted by Seytra
Maybe you did not intend these, but your formulations seem to imply them. Whether Talad tried to impose his will is of no importance, as is whether Laanx or Talad did to the other races.
What is important is that you yourself said that the Klyros consider themselves superiour to other races because they had such a strong will that not even Laanx managed to bend it. This is clearly wrong and resembles racist attitudes.
Ok, well, you obviously just \"don\'t get it\". You interpret my words incorrectly and your \"formulations\" are your own - don\'t blame them on me. I said what I said, not what you implied from it.
As for the Diaboli r any Gods - I just wasn\'t talking about them - I wasn\'t saying Klyros were superior - just that\'s a pretty unique thing in the history and it points to their sense of independence, as does the in-game description.
At any rate, you obviously have racial issues, so best to just not inflame you anymore. We\'re not racist - you can believe that or not at your discretion.
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oh i did not see that Dandamis had edited it, sorry.
1 The klyros are brothers just as I am a brother to my sister *in real life*
2 Trolls don\'t exist in planeshift... EXACTALLY READ THE HISTORY *the guild history* :D
The Klyros Guild history
Feeling a little sick, Orndorff and Qedosh descided to travel to the city that had the legendary temple in it that looked like a big flame. This city was also a trade center full of many different races. It was very far from Orndorff\'s castle. It was somewhere that no troll lived, at least we think so.
3 The trolls would be a \"brother\" because Orndorff\'s or my father was a troll
The Klyros Guild history
Orndorff was a half-n-half. His father was a troll and his mother was a Klyros.
and please do not argue with me about the history of my guild in which I wrote :tongue:
Edit: As Dandamis said We are NOT racist no matter what you believe
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Originally posted by Dandamis
Ok, well, you obviously just \"don\'t get it\". You interpret my words incorrectly and your \"formulations\" are your own - don\'t blame them on me. I said what I said, not what you implied from it.
The formulations were not mine, they were yours, and you would have seen what I was referring to if you had bothered to read my post properly.
Also, words are known to be imprecise, so if you don\'t take care to formulate your text so that it cannot be misinterpreted, it is, at least partially, your very own fault if you get misinterpreted.
Originally posted by Dandamis
As for the Diaboli r any Gods - I just wasn\'t talking about them - I wasn\'t saying Klyros were superior - just that\'s a pretty unique thing in the history and it points to their sense of independence, as does the in-game description.
Just as I said, had you formulated that precisely from the beginning, the entire argument had not arisen.
Originally posted by Dandamis
At any rate, you obviously have racial issues, so best to just not inflame you anymore.
ROFLMAO! I totally love that one! :D
Originally posted by Dandamis
We\'re not racist - you can believe that or not at your discretion.
If you are not racist, I still fail to see any real reason not to allow non-Klyros into your guild.
Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
1 The klyros are brothers just as I am a brother to my sister *in real life*
So it has nothing to do with the \"sense of brotherhood\" from the race description, then?
Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
2 Trolls don\'t exist in planeshift... EXACTALLY READ THE HISTORY *the guild history* :D
I would rather not. It\'s probably the usual \"we came from another planet\" kind of thing, anyway, by way of which people tend to force non-PS elements into PS.
Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
The Klyros Guild history
Feeling a little sick, Orndorff and Qedosh descided to travel to the city that had the legendary temple in it that looked like a big flame. This city was also a trade center full of many different races. It was very far from Orndorff\'s castle. It was somewhere that no troll lived, at least we think so.
That part doesn\'t contain any reason why trolls would be where you come from but not in PS.
Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
3 The trolls would be a \"brother\" because Orndorff\'s or my father was a troll
The Klyros Guild history
Orndorff was a half-n-half. His father was a troll and his mother was a Klyros.
So what if your grand-grandma was an Ylian? Or does the brotherhoodness wear off after a few generations? However, I can accept this view as your chars personal one.
However, this is still by no means sufficient to justify exclusion of other races from the guild.
Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
and please do not argue with me about the history of my guild in which I wrote :tongue:
LOL! Alright, I\'ll honour your request! However, if you don\'t want to be criticised, you better not post anything in a public place like this. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
Edit: As Dandamis said We are NOT racist no matter what you believe
It\'s not about my beliefs, but about what your statements imply, as I have stated already.
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Once again, read the guild history...
The Klyros Guild history
He also realized that the only good thing that had happened to him in his life were klyros... He just favored klyros out of all because they were usually the most kind and helpful.
And I know I will have to back that up so I might as well do it before I leave because I need to leave asap...
Favoring is not the same as a racist. EX: I could favor Dandamis over all the other Klyros in the guild, but that does not mean I do not like anyone else in the guild!
(PS: I don\'t favor anyone in the guild)
I gtg ill catch back up on this topic in 1-2 days...
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Originally posted by Seytra
The formulations were not mine, they were yours, and you would have seen what I was referring to if you had bothered to read my post properly.
Also, words are known to be imprecise, so if you don\'t take care to formulate your text so that it cannot be misinterpreted, it is, at least partially, your very own fault if you get misinterpreted.
Obviously you\'re more interested in laying blame than understanding my intent. It\'s funny you say that Trolls don\'t exist in PS, cause they sure plague the forums.
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Originally posted by Dandamis
Obviously you\'re more interested in laying blame than understanding my intent. It\'s funny you say that Trolls don\'t exist in PS, cause they sure plague the forums.
Indeed, may I just hold out this mirror to you?
@ Orndorff_Trolls: I edited into my previous post an answer to yours while you posted this one.
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Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
The Klyros is a guild especially for my kin, the race called Klyros (the bluish-green character with wings)
Ooo so those are what klyros are... I thought they were an item...
There was a huge thread about racist guilds I started a while back. There\'s nothing wrong with this guilds...err... goal.
But, you\'re missing everything. Look at some other older guild or mine, the yliakum libiration front (harmless plug :P) check out the thread a few threadfs down you\'ll see how much info a guild thread should provide.
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Ornginally posted by Seytra
That part doesn\'t contain any reason why trolls would be where you come from but not in PS.
Its the same reason that crocidiles do not live in the desert, they were not meant to live there.
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Originally posted by Seytra
Indeed, may I just hold out this mirror to you?
But of course you may. In it I see... my reflection in a mirror being held by a ....
(wait for it)
troll.
Now if you will allow me to return the favor, here I extend to you the definition of troll, for your amusement and further diatribe - take a gander - I bet you\'ll find your reflection as well...
\"An individual who [...] regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, \'Oh, ignore him, he\'s just a troll.\'\"
Only thing missing from the definition is your avatar.
To everyone else, I apoligize. I know I shouldn\'t encourage him. Promise to turn on the ignore filter now. ;-) I also apologize for the mess of edited posts above which started when Seytra responded to a comment while I was editing it and then I responded to his response while he was editing it.... lol
Anyway, to summarize a bit for all reading this (for the sake of clarity)...
Only Orndorff can tell anyone the *reason* why he decided to make a Klyros-specific guild.
I understand completely and even identify with the gut reaction that a race-oriented guild might be misinterpreted as racist, but the fact remains that this is clearly NOT the case with this guild, and the PlaneShift In-game description of the Klyros race supports this tremendously: \"The Klyros believe strongly in the concept of brotherhood with the other members of their race.\" That is a quote. No further justification should be necessary on this point and further arguments from Seytra just speak to the fact that he isn\'t interested in understanding the topic, but rather in posting flame-bait.
And for anyone interested in the newly re-named \"Reptilian Order\", I want to say that my main reason for joining was obviously not flashy web-sites or a catchy name or other such hype, but because the core members of this guild are really helpful and friendly folks and are a lot of fun to group with. So if the Klyros race suits your play style the best and you\'d like to group with some friendly folks, contact one of us in-game and get to know us. Our real strengths are in our individual members.
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Stop making such a fuss about it, Seytra. Even if they were a racist guild it would hardly be your business. You can give your opinion, but you can\'t hope to have others bow down to your will.
And Dandamis, argueing with the prideful hardly gets you anywhere. Yes, even if you use good facts and arguments, pride is a sort of blindless and deafness. It\'s hard to penetrate.
I didn\'t care to read the whole thread, I just think that, in a game, there is no reason to get all pumped up. That\'s what made some people leave the community. You\'re here to have fun, so shut up and enjoy.
*slaps both Seytra\'s and Dandamis\' faces and then gives both of them a lollypop*
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Originally posted by Sangwa
And Dandamis, argueing with the prideful hardly gets you anywhere. Yes, even if you use good facts and arguments, pride is a sort of blindless and deafness. It\'s hard to penetrate.
Of course, you are absolutely right. I never respond to a troll for the purpose of trying to affect any kind of behavioral change from them (I don\'t expect to \"penetrate their blindness\" as you put it). Rather, I post my responses in order to clarify that the troll\'s postings are what they are - flame-bait. Why? So that it doesn\'t incite emotional reactions from others. Most people only invest personal energy into an argument if they are really pumped about it as you suggest. However, philosophy, logic and critical thinking have always been hobbies of mine. I\'m also a bit of a \"Holy Crusader\", I guess in the sense that I don\'t mind whacking a troll with the cold sword of logic from time to time (but only in that sense, if you will). But you couldn\'t be more correct when you assert that a troll isn\'t worth the argument. It is done for the sake of others who might be gullible enough to listen to the troll in the first place, not for the sake of the troll, himself.
;)
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Ok, hopefully that is the end of it. Now, may this topic return to its original purpose? Because Seytra has made it a little off topic from recruitment...
May a Mod please change the thread name to \"The Reptilian Order Now recruiting\" please? and if you can can you get rid of some of this useless flamming junk? Thank you.
Edit: Dandamis do u have AIM. If you do pm me your screen name and if you don\'t register on the guild forums plz thx :]
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Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
Yes the ranks and alignment are under construction
That explains it, I hope they will be better than your former guild name anyway ^^
Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
I am sorry that I cannot change hosts because I know very little of html
Hmm, a well known thing amongst guild leaders - perhaps you got a member who knows one or two things about html, doesn\'t need to be the leader who makes the website... it rarely is.
Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
I stated that you would need to register, but I will go change it so it is not hidden
There are ignorant people like me, who reads fast and misses some things, so I would say that making that part of the forum private = not good idea
Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
On the rules, they are also under construction.
At least there are some, but I am not so sure about the \"obey leader, or be kicked\" sound kind of like a dictatorship, or just very childish...
Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
This guild promotes a little rp, but not much. The purpose is to destroy the foulest beasts which are and may be even worse than the threatening trolls Orndorff used to live with. And we are supposed to try to help hold peace between other players in the game, but if there is ever a guild war we will ally with the good and help fight evil.
So a PL (Power leveller) guild? you seriously should reconsider making RP a part of the guild, since PS is almost all about RP... just an advice
Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
The reason I did not post everything is because it is very long and would take up a large amount of space, but if you would like I will post it.
come on admit it, you were lazy. And if people are lazy others might sometimes not want to read, nor gives comments on the guild.
Originally posted by Dandamis
My only real point in my 2nd post (besides the fact that I forgot to add the side notes in my original post) is that this is a thread who\'s focus is supposed to be in helping Orndorff with his guild. I don\'t see how it helps when all you do is say \"that\'s lame\" or \"sarcasm right?\"
Ignoring those is better than losing your temper, cause then you will start posting nonsense too ^^
Originally posted by Dandamis
I don\'t like \"enclave\" for the same reason I don\'t like \"lair\" - it refers to a place rather than a collection of people with a similar aim / ideal. ie. The Reptilian Order might have their headquarters at the Reptilian Enclave...
Still enclave is more original than Order, ex. Arcane Order, Black Order, Order of the Black Rose etc. But sure Reptilian Order is fine as well...
Kiramon skips the Rasicm part of the thread, and realises he has reached the end of the thread
Well, Orndorrf next time you are making a promotion thread, I would advice you to post all of the info in the thread instead of just give a link to your website. Not for my sake but for your own ^^
Also try promoting RP, instead of PL - PS is all about RP anyway ;)
And last but not least, good luck!