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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: r.guppy on July 30, 2005, 10:22:01 pm
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(Janner means a person born and living in the local vicinity)
Hello fellow citizens of Yliakum, I am a man like any other man, I stand here before you to tell you of my dream and my way of life.
I have been to many lands and realms, in my travels, and seen the work of some fine guilds and others not so good, I have met many a good fellow and bad, I have helped fellow travellers whenever I could and so met my fair lady. She was sweet and kind and also strong and clever, we soon fell in love and were married. We have three children; two boys and a lovely little girl; but to mar this happy tale, our daughter was hit by a badly cast spell and will never walk or talk.
In my anger and despair I walked away from all I loved and for five years I trained to kill, I was focused entirely on my training and not a thought went through my head of my family, just my own pain and deep, deep anger at the guilds; for it was a guild mage training spell that struck my beloved daughter.
After five years I was ready to take my revenge on the whole of the offending guild. I was bent on killing them all, but I had travelled far and on nearing my home I spied my village under attack by a hoard of monsters. I was too far away to help but in the nick of time, amidst a large flash, a portal appeared, and from it poured the guild which I was bent on destroying. They saved the village. As I approached I saw the mage whose spell did the damage, that turned me into a master of the sword, my hand went to the hilt of my sword seeking revenge but I stopped for in his arms was a small child, a girl, she was near death, he spoke softly to her and I was close enough to hear his words;
\"Hush my child, I harmed one such as you five years ago, I grieved for a year for what I had done to her, now I can finally try to put right some of the harm I did\"
With that he chanted a spell and healed the child.
With all the anger gone I walked up to him and gently taking the child from him gave him all my tria. I walked the child home to her frantic mother, and went on home to my family. I told my wife what had happened and she was glad that the fire was gone from me.
I am not a man to lead and not a man to follow, I wish to be good and do as I want, as long as it harms no one. In my travels I have found many of like mind, but along the way many have asked me to join their guilds and I have always refused. This led me to believe that I should wear the badge of a guild just to be left alone, it was then that my dream formed in my head; why not form a guild of people who think like me; good and kind souls man, woman or beast; as there is good in all forms of life. A few simple rules to guide us all and instead of ranks, volunteer advisors.
I have the full support of my wife and family in all of this. I do not canvass or campaign for members so if you are a like-minded soul who wishes to become a member of my guild be not afraid to approach me and ask.
So to summarise; this is not a guild with ranks and structure as you are used to, just a few simple rules to abide to:
1) Don\'t do things to others that you would not want done to you
2) No swearing
3) Give a helping hand to the new of this world and above all
4) Do your own thing and have fun!
5) Members are free to leave at any time with best wishes for their future endeavors. The door is always open for them to return if they wish.
adviser roles.
1: Individual
2: Helper
3: Adviser
4: Trainee
5: Trainer
6: Defender
7: Skilled Defender
8: Judge
9. Master Dreamer
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Web page http://www.webspawner.com/users/jannermd/index.html
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I didnt even read it because it was 8 or 9 sentances. What you need are ranks. Rank description, goals, a history, a website, forums. Lol just read the last part. No ranks? So everyone is a lvl one with nothing unusual while following 4 rules doing nothing but leading people to the sewers..good luck with this, but I doubt you will get far this way.
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This wouldn\'t be a guild, but more like an organization. Guilds need several things to be qualified as such, as Talamir mentioned. If yours is just a gathering of people who wish to be sheltered from the rest of the world, with no further goals, no way of growing, you may want to reconsider ;) I certainly understand your desire to help those who may be intimidated by larger guilds, particularly those who lean away from the good/neutral alignment, but you are mistaken in that the majority have brought more harm than good. At least, I would like a further explanation of your statement.
I don\'t see this surviving, unless you put more time and thought into what you\'re really after.
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I think you guys are splitting hairs over the definition of \"guild\". Janner clearly states in his original post that he doesn\'t mean \"guild\" in the same rank and file organizational sense that you normally refer to.
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There still needs to be better organization, regardless. Some sort of structure is necessary. Stating that you want to make a group that will help each other is very, very boring, and the great majority of those who actually come looking for guilds on the forums here are looking for something specific, something that will catch their eyes and offer them goals beyond the \"We band together to survive\" theme. This simply will not work unless more effort is put into it.
I don\'t think the current name fits, either.
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Negativity again. ;)
*shakes his head*
Think Janner wants to make a guild that isn\'t really a guild.
Just a group of friends that share a chatchannel so to speak and think about the same way about how to treat people.
Where does it say it is required to have ranks?
I personally wasn\'t sure about the name myself but if the ones who join it don\'t mind who am I to object?
In all I like the idea although I do agree your \"missionstatement\" could be a little bit better. ;)
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Some of you guys have missed the point altogether.
As soon as you join Planeshift you have to run the gauntlet of being pestered to join this guild or that guild. If you don\'t want to join a guild this becomes tiresome.
Janners Way offers you a way of avoiding this pressure because once they see you wearing a guild name they stop asking you to join theirs.
If in the end Janners Way fails to qualify as a guild, then so be it. There will still be a few of us who will be happy to follow our own paths and wear the name of the guild that lets us do that.
This guild will offer help to those who need it and what better purpose than that?
Mrs Janner
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No need to argue whether is it a guild or not. Janner believes that it is. So then it is. Now it comes down to how much work he wants to put in it. Your ideas are fine... but I think you should sit down and work out everything and use what you have so far as underlying reasons for being. You could mention the same things again but in a different way with alot more detail. The site is the last thing you will need so try to get everything else just the way you want it and maybe you know someone or will run into someone that can make you a webpage if you do not know how. But the most important thing is to not take what people say personnal and try to take what constructive criticism out of it.
Good luck Janner.
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*yawn*
*ahem*
Join the Dark Side, Karyuu. You know you want to be sarcastic and flame them, you know you do...
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Originally posted by Talamir [/II didnt even read it because it was 8 or 9 sentances. What you need are ranks. Rank description, goals, a history, a website, forums. Lol just read the last part. No ranks? So everyone is a lvl one with nothing unusual while following 4 rules doing nothing but leading people to the sewers..good luck with this, but I doubt you will get far this way.
Eveyone is entitled to their opinion, but I would suggest you read before commenting. Not everyone has to be long winded to get their point across.
There is no facility for creating organisations other than guilds. So if you want to club together you have to use the guild system.
As for ranks, these will be replaced by advisor roles; as people join with specific skills and volunteer their services.
Newbies who join will know which members to ask help from by their advisor category.
Originally posted by Karyuu
Stating that you want to make a group that will help each other is very, very boring, and the great majority of those who actually come looking for guilds on the forums here are looking for something specific, something that will catch their eyes and offer them goals beyond the \"We band together to survive\" theme. This simply will not work unless more effort is put into it.
I don\'t think helping people is boring, for me it is part of the enjoyment of the game. There are plenty of others who think the same. There are plenty of other options for people who wish to belong to a structured formal guild.
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I am a member of \"Janners Way\".
Why did I join this very small guild? It was not to avoid being \"invited\" to join other guilds. It is easy enough to refuse those offers, even if it can become a bit tiresome. No, the reason for becoming a member of this rather \'small and select\' group was because I felt it was where I, with my character traits and my game persona, fit in the best.
It is true that the guild is small. [In fact, with the arrival of the character wipe this coming week I fear its numbers will (temporarily) dwindle rather more severely.] But, then, GUILDS have always formed out of need or reason of similar thinking, similar purpose, similar need for protection, friendships, financial advancements and what have you (both in PS and the Real World).
Whether or not the guild seems to fit the mould of the other guilds that exist in PS, is of less importance to me. That it is small is perhaps only a temporary issue. Other potential members are always welcome and are given invitation to join based upon perceived good behaviour and character traits. That it is not yet \"written in stone\" and blessed with a web site seems of less importance to me. These trappings will come in time.
At the same time, there is no need for me to be critical in any way of other guilds and the reasons that players join them. The only thing that I will say is that I felt that the kind of attitude and approach to the playing of the game which I enjoyed could best be served within this guild... and I would not be well-placed in any other.
Additionally, let me remind everyone that the GUILD is currently the only permanent form of player association within PlaneShift. Others might perceive us as merely a \"group\". But a GROUP association is generally one of short-term duration with the intention of short-term gain: an association that disappears the moment a player logs out of the PS world. By coming together under the GUILD, we are, in effect, declaring a similarity of thought and behaviour that goes beyond any short-term events.
Finally, I will even venture a potentially unpopular opinion by saying that the GUILD form can not yet find its true expression within the PS world. This is not out of any lack of sincerity on the part of the guild founders or members, but ONLY because the PS world is not yet fully formed so as to provide the sort of challenges and goals that would best be served by banding together under the banner of a guild. Here, again, I feel that time and diligent work on the part of the game designers, programmers and artists will remedy this... by embellishing end expanding upon the potentials and possibilities of the game environment so as to give far, far more meaning, goals and challenges to GUILDs in general. But, I digress, and I fear that this opens up another one of those \'can-of-worms\' questions relating to the game and the RPG philosophy in general.
But, given all the limitations of game, associations and form, for better or worse, I still maintain that I have made the correct choice of affiliation by joining Janner\'s Way.
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Originally posted by Kelden
this rather \'small and select\' group
*snort splutter cough*
Eh... select, huh? Oooh... You don\'t know the meaning of the word \"select\". Ashes, now that was select...
Originally posted by Kelden
the arrival of the character wipe this coming week
Hmm...? Since when is it this coming week? We\'re nowhere near as far as I know...
Originally posted by Kelden
By coming together under the GUILD, we are, in effect, declaring a similarity of thought and behaviour that goes beyond any short-term events.
No, not lately...
Originally posted by Kelden
Finally, I will even venture a potentially unpopular opinion by saying that the GUILD form can not yet find its true expression within the PS world. This is not out of any lack of sincerity on the part of the guild founders or members, but ONLY because the PS world is not yet fully formed so as to provide the sort of challenges and goals that would best be served by banding together under the banner of a guild. Here, again, I feel that time and diligent work on the part of the game designers, programmers and artists will remedy this... by embellishing end expanding upon the potentials and possibilities of the game environment so as to give far, far more meaning, goals and challenges to GUILDs in general. But, I digress, and I fear that this opens up another one of those \'can-of-worms\' questions relating to the game and the RPG philosophy in general.
Why would you consider common knowledge a potentially unpopular opinion. Everyone knows that the way guilds are set up in PS at the moment is not near what there needs to be. It\'s just one of those things about being an alpha...
Originally posted by Kelden
But, given all the limitations of game, associations and form, for better or worse, I still maintain that I have made the correct choice of affiliation by joining Janner\'s Way.
Yes, well, good for you. Quite frankly, I don\'t think anyonce cares about this organisation one way or the other. It\'s not big enough, or well-organized enough, or original enough, or old enoough to even be worth arguing about, so...
Basically, some *ahem* \"newbie\" comes along and starts something half-baked. If he enjoys it, good for him. If a few more people like it, good for them. However, I would try and stay out of the spotlight as people don\'t take kindly to their time being wasted with threads such as this. Don\'t expect a lot of sympathy.
I really must applaud the fact that it seems to be at least somewhat RP-oriented though. Good for you.
Might want to change the name, though. Not many people are interested in joining a guild that\'s named after the leader.
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Originally posted by Phinehas
Originally posted by Kelden
the arrival of the character wipe this coming week
Hmm...? Since when is it this coming week? We\'re nowhere near as far as I know...
Originally posted by Talad
[Taken from main web site]
Hi Planeshifters,
we worked hard in the past month to provide an update to the current PS release. The update will be ready in the next few days, and while you?re waiting we?ll give you a little insight into what it contains.
........... This change really requires that we proceed with the famous WIPE of characters, so everyone will start from the beginning with the new rules.
28.07.2005, 03:57
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As I believe that Phinehas has a valid point with regard to my usage of the word \"select\", I have changed the original post to read \"small\" as that was my intended meaning when I typed it.
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Phinehas\'s sarcasm. Enjoyment.
To bad he isn\'t as good informed as he would like to have others think ;)
To Janners Way. Enjoy and ignore the negativity. Nowhere does it say you can\'t do what you do. You said yourself you don\'t care if it\'s called a guild or not and can only think of the rule of what you need to do to be an official recognized guild ;)
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I think the main point I was driving at is that guild threads in this forum need to have something this particular thread doesn\'t. You are much better off recruiting in-game, as you have already done, than post about your organization here. I will simply be surprised if you find a member that decided to join due to this thread ;)
To everyone that likes to throw around the \"Ooooh, negative, harsh, unnecessary\" line, everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, and if I don\'t think something is likely to work, then I have every freedom to say so. If I am proven wrong, then I will gladly apologize and continue on my way. Until then however, I remain steadfast in my belief that this thread either shouldn\'t have been posted, or posted when the \"group,\" as I will continue calling it, finds more structure.
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*reads the entire thread*
to get back to the point of havign a \"guild thread\", i would like to wish you luck Janner. any sort of a safe haven is simply that, and i can understand the frustration with mass-recruiters. so i hope to see that your guild continues to provide people with a place to go where no other guilds can invite them until they get so fed up they decide to leave Planeshift..
that was the objective part.. here comes the small, vague, generalization part of the post that is merely and completely subjective..
people are way too uptight around here it seems as of late. a guild is a guild.. is a guild. if you don\'t like it, ignore it. and Talamir: please don\'t ever reply to a post if you didn\'t read it. you know how ignorant that is.
Good luck Sir Janner!
-Easton
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Originally posted by Karyuu
\"Ooooh, negative, harsh, unnecessary\" line, everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, and if I don\'t think something is likely to work, then I have every freedom to say so.
Wow easy boy ;)
First of LOVE the signature. Give me a good LOL alright :)
Second Only said negativity around here.. Yes ment you to but not just you and definately not sayin harsh or implying you are not allowed to post.
I do however feel people aren\'t being very welcoming on these boards so I also reserve the right to post when I think someone is negative when I feel they could also bring it in a better way or shouldn\'t be so focussed on whats wrong with an idea ;)
I mean we are still in the testing fase. Now is the time to experiment.
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As a direct response to Easton\'s post, thank you for your constructive comments.
I have added to my initial post.
5) Members are free to leave at any time with best wishes for their future endeavours. The door is always open for them to return if they wish.
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good :)
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Best of luck to you, Janner! I hope the best for you in your efforts!
I would agree that you might try and find a more descriptive (and less self-aggrandizing, if I may be respectfully so bold) title for your Guild (oops, sorry Karyuu!)/Group. :)
What I don\'t think some people see that you are trying to fulfill is that the Guild structure by its very nature favors the Lawful alignments, be they good, neutral, or evil. You are trying to create a \"group\" (and as I write this I\'m starting to realize there are much more appropriate connotations in \"group\" for your organization than there are in \"guild)\", that does not seek to bind members under a strict rule-of-law...
...Kind of hard to have much structure in a group with this as one of its founding principles. This is probably why you pointed out in your initial post that \"this is not a Guild with ranks and structure as you are used to.\"
First thing some of the detractors will say to this is \"but there\'s such-and-such and such-and-such and such-and-such guilds that ARE chaotic guilds and they DO have some kind of structure.\" Perhaps, but if the the devs have set such specific structural requirements than I would say said guilds really are not truly chaotic (O.K. perhaps at least not DEEPLY chaotic) since the purest form of chaos precludes any sort of rule of law--or structure for that matter.
So perhaps we really are splitting hairs and there needs to be a separate \"group\" structure for those wishing to unite more, \"loosely,\" shall we say--but then that would be chaotic. ;)
All of this to say I don\'t see any harm in the post--as Pestilence said we\'re in the experimental stages and there\'s going to be a learning curve...
Members of Truly Chaotic Guilds/Karyuu/People-wiser-than-I-am Please feel free to comment/flame away--I love a good debate! ;)
/ramble off
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I chose the name Janner firstly for my character and then for my guild/group because in England janner means a person born and living in the local vicinity.
Where I come from local people are friendly, kind and helpful to strangers which is why I believe the name to be appropriate and also why I will stick with it. I have found the characters of Yliakum to be much like the people where I live.
Definition added to original post. (Also added screen shots courtesy of a very kind GM)
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better place a few of my opinions on this ^^
from what I understand, this is a \"safe haven\" so the purpose of this \"Group\" is to do exactly what?
Originally posted by Phinehas
I really must applaud the fact that it seems to be at least somewhat RP-oriented though. Good for you.
Exactly how do they promote RP? have I missed something?
Originally posted by r.guppy
I chose the name Janner firstly for my character and then for my guild/group because in England janner means a person born and living in the local vicinity.
Where I come from local people are friendly, kind and helpful to strangers which is why I believe the name to be appropriate and also why I will stick with it. I have found the characters of Yliakum to be much like the people where I live.
pretty ooc reason, do you think Janner means the same in Yliakum?
Okay it\'s not good, nor neutral or evil - do you know there actually is an alignment called non-aligned?
What is the point of the screenshots?
Originally posted by r.guppy
Do your own thing and have fun!
What is the point of this rule?
My conclusion:
- Good to see you trying to help new members and all :tup:
- BUT, I have yet to see this guild promote RP :tdown: (perhaps I am ignorant, if so could someone tell me exactly how it promotes RP)
- The reason of the name, is pretty much non-RP and in my opinion not a good reason :tdown:
- Needs more structure :tdown: (yes, it does! even a group/organisation or guild needs structure)
so I agree with Talamir, I doubt this will go far...
btw. in my opinion PS doesn\'t need those members who quits, just because constantly being invited by mass-recruiting guilds :baby:
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*Janner is struck down by a stampeding herd of Tefusang while defending a newcomer in Yliakum. He is temporarily bereft of his good humour and tolerance.*
Originally posted by Kiramon
better place a few of my opinions on this ^^
What makes your opinion so important?
Originally posted by Kiramon
from what I understand, this is a \"safe haven\" so the purpose of this \"Group\" is to do exactly what?
Duh...... to stop the incessant pestering of guild members asking you to join their guild interrupting conversations and training/trading etc. by having to click no ....no....no...no....no!
Originally posted by Kiramon
Originally posted by Phinehas
I really must applaud the fact that it seems to be at least somewhat RP-oriented though. Good for you.
Exactly how do they promote RP? have I missed something?
What is it, if not role playing?
Originally posted by Kiramon
Originally posted by r.guppy
I chose the name Janner firstly for my character and then for my guild/group because in England janner means a person born and living in the local vicinity.
Where I come from local people are friendly, kind and helpful to strangers which is why I believe the name to be appropriate and also why I will stick with it. I have found the characters of Yliakum to be much like the people where I live.
pretty ooc reason, do you think Janner means the same in Yliakum?
Yliakum uses the English language so yes.
Originally posted by Kiramon
Okay it\'s not good, nor neutral or evil - do you know there actually is an alignment called non-aligned?
Again duh.......
1) Don\'t do things to others that you would not want done to you
2) No swearing
3) Give a helping hand to the new of this world
Sounds GOOD to me!!!
Originally posted by Kiramon
What is the point of the screenshots?
4) Do your own thing and have fun :)
Originally posted by Kiramon
Originally posted by r.guppy
Do your own thing and have fun!
What is the point of this rule?
Originally posted by r.guppy
for the good people of this land who wish to keep control of their own fate, instead of being put under great pressure at times to conform to the will of one guild or another.
So in short I have created a guild for like minded souls, who don\'t wish to belong to this or that alignment, but band together and still be master of their own fate.
Originally posted by Kiramon
- Needs more structure :tdown: (yes, it does! even a group/organisation or guild needs structure)
Double duh...... try reading all the posts.......
Originally posted by r.guppy
As for ranks, these will be replaced by advisor roles; as people join with specific skills and volunteer their services.
Originally posted by Kiramon
btw. in my opinion PS doesn\'t need those members who quits, just because constantly being invited by mass-recruiting guilds :baby:
Who said anything about leaving PS?? Those who get fed up are driven to joining a guild to stop the incessant pushing no....no....no....no...no.
*Janner shakes his head to clear red mist from eyes and steam from ears, regains composure and with an enigmatic smile apologises for moment of madness.*
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I am expressing my opinion, which from what I know is the point of this forum, did I say it\'s important?.
When I say promoting RP I mean, when you tell a person to act like if he was his character (meaning no talking about real life).
So the point of the guild is so people can join it, just so they can get away from the invites from mass recruiting guilds? is that the only goal of this \"group\"?
Okay, seems I misunderstood the alignments part, I am sorry about that.
Originally posted by Easton
so i hope to see that your guild continues to provide people with a place to go where no other guilds can invite them until they get so fed up they decide to leave Planeshift..
He said something about people leaving
You still haven\'t answered how you are promoting RP, and if you get mad from a few comments like this. Then you got a pretty short fuse eh?
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he has every right to be mad.. he made this thread to bounce his ideas off of some other members.. the very first post he recieved said \"i didn\'t even read your post because..\" and it goes downhill from there..
and i agree, anyone who leaves after a tiny bit of spam is somewhat weak. but those who do the spamming are the ones who can hurt the experience for the new people.
i have no major problems with this guild/group. as long as they do not spam in any way, and they support RP (which i know Janner does personally, but i don\'t know if he does so within the guild).
with that being said, i suggest everybody stop posting unless you are giving CONSTRUCTIVE criticism-- not just your own opinion.
-Easton
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Lol. Lighten up Kiramon, the post was done light-heartedly in a role-playing mode.
No offense was taken and none intended on my part.
However I thank Sir Easton for his support.
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am a member of Janners way and i think its great that you can have the freedom it provides.
Its for some and its not for others, but its great not having people asking you all the time to join guilds but not having to do anything specific in one.
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The members of the guild may support RP, but the \"guild\" itself does not ;) That distinction is clear. There is no RP in wanting to have a label beneath your name to prevent others from trying to give you their own.
I wonder how the recruitment process goes, however? I\'m pretty sure members of Janners Way don\'t try to proselytize ;) \"Join our guild so you won\'t have to join any other!\"
I\'m just amused at the concept :) Don\'t mean anything by that, so don\'t pounce.
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Robinmagus pounces
Though she IS right...If your point is to keep members from having a label on them, why give them your own??
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At the end of the day, it is entirely personal choice. From a role playing point of view I see the label as a badge one wears so that your fellow citizens can see your affiliation.
From a recruiting point of view, if anyone asks about my guild, I will strongly recommend that they read the guild section of the forums to see what choices are available.
Originally posted by Robinmagus
Though she IS right...If your point is to keep members from having a label on them, why give them your own??
The point is to give people a label, to prevent other guilds wanting them to join up to all kinds of rules, regulations and tasks which they may not be interested in.
The point of a (label as you call it) guild name is to dissuade mass recruiters who see name, no guild and pounce. Whereas they see name with guild ignore player and move on. (Leaves player free to enjoy game in his or her own way.)
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i really love the concept of creating a guild to stop being guild-spammed.. (partly because i was thinking along similiar lines, but more of an option to block out all the invites) maybe that isn\'t the main point of the guild, maybe it is, but shouldn\'t we all have a moment and think about what that point means for a second ..
ok.. i don\'t know about you.. between thoughts i don\'t want to go into,.. i actually thought, wow,.. isn\'t it a bit messed up someone would feel a need to even mention this??
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nonetheless, along similar lines, the question has been looming, slowly creeping, slithering up if you will.. (. robinmagnus.. karyuu .. i think this applies mostly to your posts about RP and labels and maybe I am (mis)reading too much into it, but ... ) ..
how RP is it to have a guild name under your name AND a giant neon name sign??!!!????
why doesn\'t it just say \"hello my name is: \" as well? ok, i understand labels are needed since we all more or less look alike, ... yadda yadda..
so, perhaps if these labels are allowed, then maybe it makes sense to allow people to actively opt-out. currently, there is no option, and although I think there are merits to the guild otherwise, this is a simple way to combat the abuse. maybe I have misunderstood guilds, but I didn\'t think they were all about wear\'n fez\'s anyway (or is it fezes?.. you know, the little hats.. shriners? .. see here ..
http://www.citypages.com/imagebank/articles/24_1162/norling/images/18644A.shriner.jpg
) so that you know who\'s in?? but then again, they are only worn to meetings!?
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Originally posted by pwxyzg
how RP is it to have a guild name under your name AND a giant neon name sign??!!!????
There have been several discussions in the past about trying to solve this RP \"problem,\" but no real working suggestions have been made. You have to keep in mind that the chat system would be greatly affected.
Guilds always have the option of being secret - meaning the guild name does not appear beneath the names of its members.
I think the problem now is that Janner\'s Way no longer has a real purpose for existing, since guild invite spam is a thing of the past with this new system. To attract more members and flourish, Janner is going to have to tweak his organization a bit and find another (RP) goal for being.
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not meaning to shoot this off topic.. with my small rant :S
to try to help undo what i perhaps have helped diverge from..
it seems the other points, although as many have said are not fleshed out enough, still hold some merit??
also, as to talamir\'s 1st raucous rousing post..
/me reads from the scrolls
Originally posted by Talamir
What you need are ranks .
ahemm....
. have you heard of communism? social democracy? all-for-one, one-for-all??? a flat management structure? the ideal (not the reality) is that everyone should be er.. equal!? ha. .. seems if millions of people can be organized in this manner, so could a guild? .. and heck, it could change/evolve when they perhaps figure out it doesn\'t work .. i would even wager the established guilds have done this in some sense?
janner.. maybe you should focus on anarchy as a cornerstone in your guild, somehow, seems it would fit?? :))
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thank you all for your comments i do read all post spend some time to think through answers before replaying.
As a player on line said to me your guild seams to be all about freedom, i like that and so i have now said it :)
hope to be up and running again soon :)
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A guild based on freedom..? A strange concept. Some more information would definitely be awesome with time :)
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Generally I am getting bored of reading flames and sarcasm all over again.
RP is worth nothing without friends leading sessions with you, if you treat RP
to show how 31337 you are, this is not the way. RP is a kind of social
interaction not penis enlargement pill, so you will either:
1. Learn what is constructive criticism.
2. Learn how to express your opinion without trashing other persons.
3. Stop flaming and start respect each other.
Or I don\'t know...will start reporting such threads and demanding bans, or ask
admins to rename Guilds Forum to Flame & Trash Forum.
Kind regards.
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Am I missing something, Platyna? There has been no flaming in this thread.
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freedom..
sounds good.. for me, in this case, anarchy and freedom are somehow intertwined since that freedom comes at creating a buffer from the community in some way? but freedom definately sounds closer to your stated rules/intentions!
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Not to be offtopic but I have got a little upset while reading Talamir\'s post,
which was generally in the \"u suck\" tone. That\'s all. ;) I really don\'t like these
bashing people discussions on this forum (unless they, for purpose, do stupid
or abusive things).
Regards.
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Platyna: Understood :)
On-topic: Freedom by itself is not enough to explain the purpose of a guild. Actually a guild would be counterproductive to such desires, at least outwardly and without any more details, like this. What is it about freedom that Janner\'s Way will be concerned with? Will it be a guild of freedom defenders, freedom-spreaders, or will the goals return to \"Do your own thing with no other input,\" which isn\'t likely to work, again? When taking away guild-invite-spam, people will have to do a bit more work to learn about guilds and see if they work in an RP manner for their characters. When faced between so many brilliantly colorful guilds out there with a definite goal, direction, alignment (or lack thereof), history, and vision, and a guild without any real direction, I would think that the former would always be chosen.
And I\'m definitely interested in how this guild may grow and expand, so if Janner tweaks his guild statement some, would be great if he updates us on it :D
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Well, I am pleased to inform all that we are now a guild (non guild) again.
Yes my members are free to play the game in a way they see fit, hence freedom of choice to do their own thing in a way they see fit, they have all read the rules and happy to stay within these guide lines.
members are free to leave any time if they so desire and no ill will, also if they wish they may return, as for RP if you talk to me in game i am trying my best to do so, and hope the members will take my lead.
One of my members, Pipra, is working on a possible web site but it won\'t be ready for a long time as she runs her own business, so has little time free to work on it.:)
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Janner, I am interested: Are you going to try to recruit more members with time, or have you settled on the group you currently have? How will the recruiting system work? For example, I\'m curious as to how you would explain your guild to someone who would ask about it in-game. It\'s just that right now \"a guild of freedom\" is really vague. I think my main difficulty in understanding how you want Janner\'s Way to run is that you said members have the \"freedom of choice to do their own thing in a way they see fit.\" Why is a guild necessary for this? What will members gain by joining your guild that they cannot find by themselves, with other friends, or other guilds? :)
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well my reason for forming was to stop the endless do you want to join my guild , has not stopped by the way but is not as bad.
i do not recruit full stop. but if i am asked about my guild i say \" i am not a guild as you no it, have you looked at the guild section of the forum to see what is on offer.\" if no would ask them to do so.
the rest would just be chat to get to no each other, and only then if i am asked \"can i join\" will i accept or decline them.
i cannot answer for my members you will have to ask them in-game why they chose to join and indeed stay.
In most guild you are bound by rules and tasked to do and (yuck) do someone\'s bidding. this is how i see guild i do not no what guilds in this game are like, in my guild (non guild ) YOU are your own boss, thats the freedom of it, just a few-simple rules to abide by.
you are also left alone by other guilds as they see guild name under your name. Hope this answers some of your questions. :)
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It does answer some of them, thanks :) Still a few questions though, I hope you don\'t mind that I keep asking, heheh.
When I asked how you would explain your guild to someone in-game, I meant in an RP fashion. Telling them to read a thread on the forums is not RP, that is Out-Of-Character. Perhaps if you can write a sort of \"RP speech\" about your guild to put in this section, it would be easier to understand where you are going with this. Pretend someone asked you if you are in a guild, and then explain that you are in fact a guild leader, who created this organization for such and such (roleplay) reason. I think it would be a great aid. The majority of guild threads here have something of the sort.
It is true that many guilds give members tasks and jobs towards a greater purpose, but many people have a need for this, a desire to fulfill some role. That is why they turn to those guilds :) Of course I understand that everyone is not like that, which is where you give your members freedom. But I am still mystified about that freedom. It seems that your reason for being is still OOC - letting other players see a guild label beneath the names of your members so that they would not be spammed with other invites.
It is my opinion that you should try to concentrate more on roleplay reasons for the existence of guilds. Leave the game mechanics behind for a moment and transport yourself directly to Yliakum. Why do you form your guild? :) In a roleplay sense, what will members of Janner\'s Way gain that they will have a harder time gaining elsewhere?
*edit* Of course. Sleep well! :D
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i will have to reply in the morning as it is now 2-am hear and i must get some sleep sorry see you later :)
i have gone one better a extract from my log.
(11:43:43) Janner hello milady
(11:43:50) Janner bows
(11:44:04) Escherichia says: hello sir.
(11:44:27) Janner says: they having a rest milady :)
(11:44:30) Escherichia says: what\'s new ? you\'re all right.
(11:44:49) Janner says: iam fine nilady and you
(11:45:03) Escherichia says: fine, thanks. It\'s a pleasure to meet you.
(11:45:17) Janner says: you to milady
(11:45:30) Escherichia smile.
(11:45:31) Escherichia says: Huhu.
(11:45:52) Escherichia says: This monsters are a little bit tired, no ?
(11:46:09) Janner yes milady
(11:47:22) Escherichia says: And what about your janner\'s way ? Can you tell me more ?
(11:48:06) Janner says: at the moment milady it is no more till i have all five members on line
(11:48:34) Escherichia says: I see, sir.
(11:48:49) Escherichia says: But it\' that a way afo life ? A philosophy ?
(11:48:50) Janner says: but we are a group of good minded people how wish to be free to do as we see fit
(11:49:20) Janner says: not do whot a leader wants
(11:49:24) Escherichia says: Free minded men.
(11:49:37) Janner says: and wimem milady
(11:49:48) Escherichia says: Huhu, of course, sir.
(11:50:10) Escherichia says: And you don\'t follow gods ?
(11:50:50) Janner says: members may if they wish but free to do as they wish milady
(11:51:32) Escherichia says: I see. Freedom above all.
(11:51:49) Janner says: yes and be good minded
(11:52:11) Escherichia says: What do you mean by \"good minded\" ?
(11:52:43) Janner says: if i may milady will tell you rules
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I see Janner\'s way as a group of friends who are considerate to others, avoid giving offence, help those in need whenever they can and are free to follow their own paths and goals.
I feel that my character fits very nicely into this guild, and would do so even if I wasn\'t Mrs Janner.
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Thank you all for your comments and suggestions.
After due consideration I have edited my first post to tell my story in more detail which I hope explains some of my ideas and reasoning behind Janner\'s Way.
we now have a web page, donated by a kind member of guild. http://www.webspawner.com/users/jannermd/index.html :)
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I\'d like to add that I\'m a proud member of \"Janners Way\" now. Because I first read this thread and then decided so. :)
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Just a quick thank you to my eleven members who have now been with me for a week. Thank you and may we continue to do good in are own way.
:)
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Bit late I know, but thought I\'d just mention that Janner and I were married and pictures courtesy of Gag can be found in the \"Roleplaying (Communitive Storywriting)\" forum.
Thank you to Neeve for officiating and thanks to all our guests and well-wishers. This is such a warm and friendly community, I am amazed by all the lovely messages we have got.
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I would like to thank Gag for organizing my birthday party, and every one there; thank you one and all for making it a very different party to what i am accustomed to; it was a day i wont forget. :)
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Proposed Rules For Individual Duelling
1. No duelling in the plaza or tavern at all, or anywhere that is well populated. (Unless by a prearranged audience)
2. A verbal challenge is made giving a) reason for challenge b) weapons preferred (including fists) c) whether magic should/shouldn\'t be used d) place and time
3.The challengee may countermand b), c) and/or d) above. The challenge is then verbally accepted/declined.
4. When the conditions discussed in 2. and 3. have been met, the duel should begin - both the Challenger and the Challengee should place themselves at a convenient length facing each other.
5. For training purposes go to an empty room in the arena or away from areas which are busy, where parties can challenge each other as much as they wish. (This may suit those who like to fight each other for fun)
6. In the case of a guild war terms should be drawn up and agreed between the leaders of the warring guilds. Bearing in mind that rule 1. should always apply.
7. If you use the PvP system for your RP fights, then any form of exploitation is not allowed. Commodities like shortcuts may be used for convenience, but not for speed.
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edited my list of adviser roles to a rank system.
1: Individual
2: Helper
3: Adviser
4: Trainee
5: Trainer
6: Defender
7: Skilled Defender
8: Judge
*edit
Sorry should have posted this sooner, no we are still individuals, just a new form of advisers and have now implemented point system for promotions,
So i will award points for players helped, advice in adviser mode, and good deeds reported, and service to community. (eg: stand in bar person).
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This implies a bit more structure in the guild, which is good, but there needs to be an explanation beneath the structure. Your guild is for those that do not like to be imposed with tasks or labels, right? Has this changed, and if not, how do these new ranks work with your previous ideal?
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Originally posted by r.guppy
edited my list of adviser roles to a rank system.
1: Individual
2: Helper
3: Adviser
4: Trainee
5: Trainer
6: Defender
7: Skilled Defender
8: Judge
Im just asking Janner, but shoud the Trainee be the third rank instead of the fourth? It just seems like Advisor would be above Trainee :P.
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No in right order. A trainee trainer :)
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Valbrandr\'s main point was about the Advisor rank being below Trainee. Seems like it should be above.
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I see why you think that but the trainee is training to become a trainer, witch in my way of thinking comes after they have proved them self capable of giving advice, they then train to give physical help. :))
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Janner is taking some time out and will return on Monday.
In the mean time if anyone wishes to join the guild they should see Kelden or Bobuzz. Thank you. :)
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Sorry should have posted this sooner, no we are still individuals, just a new form of advisers and have now implemented point system for promotions, updated text in the post. :]
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Sorry for double post.
Bobuzz is away for at least a week dew to ill health if you wish to send a message i have put a post in Janners Group, for guild members anyone else how wise to post, in this thread please.
I wish my friend a speedy recovery.
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I like the idea of \"the Janner \'s way \" as a \"non-guild\"
It\'s similar to any prophet\'s story (Buddha, Jesus, mahomet) ^^
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I don\'t understand how a guild can be a non-guild. Just like I don\'t understand how a character (or guild) can be non-aligned. To be honest, I think it\'s just a way to sound diferent, despising useful systems that contribute to organization.
I do agree your guild seems to have a different kind of hierarchy, but it\'s still a guild, like every other that posses more than five members, 20000 trias and some goals.
Originally posted by Karyuu:
This implies a bit more structure in the guild, which is good, but there needs to be an explanation beneath the structure. Your guild is for those that do not like to be imposed with tasks or labels, right? Has this changed, and if not, how do these new ranks work with your previous ideal?
I\'d like to see this answered too.
Originally posted by janner:
In most guild you are bound by rules and tasked to do and (yuck) do someone\'s bidding. this is how i see guild i do not no what guilds in this game are like, in my guild (non guild ) YOU are your own boss, thats the freedom of it, just a few-simple rules to abide by.
you are also left alone by other guilds as they see guild name under your name. Hope this answers some of your questions.
Some times having a vast number of obvious choices can overwhelm people. Rules, laws, organization they avoid such wastes of time.
Doing someone else\'s bidding might seem distasteful for you. However do not ilude yourself, you always use others and you\'re always used by them.
Following rules, accepting orders, it can be as good or better than being lost to the chaotic Ego most possess. One just has to adapt to the best way of taking advantage of others while they take advantage of yourself.
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Simple we are not a guild just using the guild system as it is the only way at present to form a group of like minded people, and run it and have our own in game facilities.
Originally posted by Karyuu:
This implies a bit more structure in the guild, which is good, but there needs to be an explanation beneath the structure. Your guild is for those that do not like to be imposed with tasks or labels, right? Has this changed, and if not, how do these new ranks work with your previous ideal?
We are still a band of individuals, who are aligned with lawful good, the reason for the name changes (ranks) is at present most of the old were not implemented, so felt after discussion with my two judges to change the names and as an incentive for those who wish to improve themselves (rank wise) have implemented points.
Yes i see your point on using and being used, but within my group we all try to help each other and many good ideas and hard work have been put into this, in forms of web help, creating character help and lists and so on just to name a few of the good things that have come about from forming Janners Way
PS: Thank you for the in-game advice, i am always open to help with my role-play as i am doing this for the first time.
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but within my group we all try to help each other and many good ideas and hard work have been put into this, in forms of web help, creating character help and lists and so on just to name a few of the good things that have come about from forming Janners Way
Very well, can\'t deny that. Good look for the future.
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When the Sheeples come back out of hiding, you will have their full support.
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and there is this mountain, and there is this bird, etc. you all know the story. i\'m taking bets as to if the sheeples come out of hiding, or that mountain will be reduced to sand first. smart money is on the mountain.
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I am shore my members will be happy to see you and give aid were they can.
When the Sheeples come back out of hiding, you will have their full support.
:))
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well i wanted to join the guild from the first time i meet you, you was so kind it made me want to help others in the same way, as i am a strong beliver in karma. the first rule you wrote was what i have always lived by, don\'t do on to others as you don\'t want done on to yourself, so if your\'ll have me i will gladly join. Xx indias cardel xX
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See you in game and welcome. :))
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I am finally in game on my Mac, but still a few bugs to sort out but at least i can play.
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bugs? hehe that noting new ;)
Part of the fun of PS I guess ;)
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Pip has been of line since first update to 12, but thanks to mac team finally able to get back in game. :))
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good to hear. Have been a while that I saw some people who had a mac. Hope they\'ll return now.
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Sorry all i will not be in-game anymore as i fell i am no good at Role Play, and as my spelling is considered to be not good enough for the game have decided its time to move on,
I will leave my account active so if anyone wants to takeover the guild fell free to.
Good luck to you all.
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Originally posted by r.guppy
Sorry all i will not be in-game anymore as i fell i am no good at Role Play, and as my spelling is considered to be not good enough for the game have decided its time to move on,
I will leave my account active so if anyone wants to takeover the guild fell free to.
Good luck to you all.
We were talking ingame, but i didn\'t find good words to tell you because of my damn bad english , feeling bad role-player.. are you joking ?
AnD what about the spelling ? everyone can understand you... the phonetic is enough and i don\'t think the people who you help care about your spelling, all they need is to understand your advices....
And i wonder why you r not a GM yet ...
/me is angry !!!
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Originally posted by r.guppy
Sorry all i will not be in-game anymore as i fell i am no good at Role Play, and as my spelling is considered to be not good enough for the game have decided its time to move on,
What are you talking about? You were the first person I had any role playing experiences at all. You were the first person who bothered talking to a newb who just joined the game. You were the person who was easy to say hello and talk about the day or hunting or whatever. Believe me, there are probably many people who appreciate the way how you role play including the way how you \"spell\" ;) If possible, please reconsider your decisions and stay with us.
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Aw, Janner, but you can\'t leave after influencing so much in the community :) Stick around - and don\'t let things like spelling push you away, especially since we all know that you try your hardest. A lot of people see you as one of the most helpful individuals in-game, and this is precisely the type we need more of. Don\'t let things get to you.
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Hmmm....well this is sad news indeed. I didn\'t know you well Janner but through net working I had heard alot of kind words spoken about you. I know for a fact that you were very helpful to newbies and that you were a big part of the community. I do hope that you change your mind but if not then I wish you the best. Oh and might I say No good at role play! I have heard different from others and they seem to think you are wonderful at it. There is no right or wrong way to role play either. Good Luck and we hope for your return.............
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Hey Janner you are a helpfull and good person, you have done and are doing a great job ingame. :)
I say don\'t go!
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What is this??? I thought Janner was a person who was going to be around in the long run :(. But I dont understand why you are leaving... it doesnt sound like you are telling the truth about i... I mean to leave now because you are a bad speller and not good at RPing. When I arrived I wasnt an RPer either... it takes time and practice but as I said it seems like you are leaving for other reasons... Well good luck to you, where ever your journey leads you.
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I agree with everyone else that feels that you are a tremendous asset to PS. The few, brief times that our paths have crossed in-game have been some of the most memorable for me since joining this unique community. Your kindness and generosity is beyond question. I must admit that your polite decline of a reward at the end of the recent \"Catch That Thief\" event left an impression on me.
Bad spelling is minor compared to one\'s character and the contents of their heart. This should not be a reason to leave. Everyone makes spelling mistakes and typos. You make an honest effort and that is good enough for me personally.
You don\'t know how to role-play? I disagree. I am man enough to admit that when I read Janner\'s life story and got to the part about the unfortunate event that injured his daughter, my eyes got a little teary. Reaching that depth of emotion shows imagination and good storytelling. It also adds a lot of depth and personality to the character. In my humble opinion, my friend, that IS role-playing.
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Thank you all for your kind words ok i am in again, see you in game. :))
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*cheers* That\'s what I like to hear! Don\'t let the peanuts ruin it for you! :D
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I\'ve been a member of Janner\'s way for only 3 days now, and I am happy to be associated with such a fine group of friendly and helpful people.
aka Deek Dreadmore
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Semper Ash
Janner was given a dark Clayesmore, containing Embers soul, for safe keeping. Over time Janner became more and more troubled by the ever growing presence of Embers in his mind as she grew stronger, feeding off Janner\'s past anger and hatred. She slowly gained control of that part of him and one day, in the Plaza, briefly gained control of Janner.
Janner\'s body trembled and swayed, his eyes glowed red and, frothing at the mouth, he stared straight at Aluna and suddenly announced; \"Must kill, must kill...\" while moving menacingly towards her.
Everyone present was rooted to the spot in shock. After a long moment Gag snapped into action and bravely stood between them. This was enough to enable Janner to regain a little control and he ran off before any damage was done. The further he got from Aluna the more self-contol was restored and with Gag\'s help he was able to temporarily take back control.
Gag went back to the Plaza to explain to the confused crowd what had happened. After a little while Janner cautiously approached, but the nearer he got to Aluna the more he became aware of Embers. This time he was prepared and Embers was only able to control his voice. Not daring to get closer than behind the blacksmith\'s Ember spoke through Janner; \"You fools, you have given me what I wanted: a body with skills and strength.\"
With this Janner ran off into the hills afraid of what might happen if he stayed.
For a few days Janner camped in the hills in a constant struggle with Embers\' soul, until, one night, the battle reached fever pitch and as Janner slept Embers stole away, with the help of dark magic, taking Janner\'s bad side along.
A pure Diablo male was formed with Janner\'s skills and knowledge of warfare. Full of a burning desire for revenge on all who had stood in Embers way.
For weeks now Semper has been keeping a low profile while training himself up in the skill of axe; the one skill he knows Janner does not have. One day, while learning a new magic spell, Semper saw some familiar faces from Embers past and felt it was time to make his presence known.
In the time Semper had spent training Janner was sensing, in his sleep, Semper\'s thoughts. This deeply troubled Janner so he sought out Semper hoping to end it before any real harm was done. He caught up with Semper and confronted him. After a long and heated argument weapons were drawn and after a few minutes Janner landed a heafty blow with his frosty short sword on his left arm. Immediately Janner dropped his left sword and staggered back in pain and surprise. Semper advanced hoping to finish Janner off and struck a hefty blow to his right arm. Screaming in pain Semper dropped to his knees clutching his right arm. After what seemed a long time staring at each other it dawned on both that if either harmed the other he would receive the injury. With this they each retrieved their weapons and departed.
Deeply disturbed by this new turn of events Janner had to rethink his plans. Knowing that any harm that he inflicted on Semper would reflect on himself. After turning it over and over in his troubled mind he came to a grievous decision. Janner went home and spent a pleasant day with his family pretending that everthing was as it should be but knowing this would be the last time he would ever see them. The next morning Janner left a long letter for his still sleeping wife and with a breaking heart departed without looking back.
Janner went to the river where he knew Semper was camped. Luring Semper to an overhang high above the gorge Janner taunts Semper into a fist fight. To Janner\'s satisfaction Semper dodged his blows while Janner took the full force of Sempers fists and quickly took a stunning blow which had Semper realing. Seizing the opportunity Janner leapt at Semper and bound his hands and feet, then while Semper was still dazed he lifted the huge man and with one last gargantuan effort leapt off. As they plunged to their deaths Janner prayed to Laanx and Talad and any other gods who might be listening that this would be the end of the evil wrought by Embers. The icy water swallowed the now unconscious pair and silence returned to the gorge as if all Yliakum held their breath. Soon the animal noises could be heard again and life continued as if nothing had happened. Only one weeping widow knew what had happened and she took her family and went home by the portal through which Janner had brought her to that world all those years before.
Janner died as he lived thinking of others before himself, I hope his Spirit and goodwill will live on in this guild.
:P
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Goodbye Janner :(
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Well...
Now it is my duty to manage our \"guild\".
The timing of this event could not have been worse, I don\'t know how to celebrate the coming wedding now.
And I don\'t want to believe that Janner and his wife are now away forever.
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His brother Jorden is in town for a short time to settle things and will help were he can, but only till things settle down. I hope you all carry on as he would wish.
:))
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*Sangwa listens carefully as Janner\'s death is reported to him*
Aaah, what a shame. Such a rightful bloke would surely be of use in the future.
OOC: The player behind Janner won\'t leave us then, right?
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OOC: The player behind Janner won\'t leave us then, right?
This is correct. Our good old Janner may be angry about one person or another - but being helpful to newcomers and needful people in general, is too impotant for him, and for his \"guild\".
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In accordance with my brothers wishes i have taken control of the guild in these troubled time for the guild.
I have sent out search parties to find my brothers body, I hope for a Miracle. :))
(Yes he is still hear the man behind Janner.)
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While this community won\'t miss some of us, others are an icon. Janner is one of those icons. When I began this game, you were the only advisor I knew at that time(because you showed me where some things were.)Even if you kill off Janner ingame, don\'t leave.
Your help with people new to the game(I REALLY HATE THE TERM \"NEWBIE\") has made the transition to the RP community here very comfortable and rewarding.
I witnessed your roleplay as Kythag if you will remember. You are an excellent roleplayer! Where did you ever get that idea?
Bad spelling? Who cares? Ew acn espll anyway ew antw! I myself haven\'t noticed spelling errors because I don\'t look for it. If there are trolls ingame or in this forum gigging you for it, ignore them.(Easy for me to say. lol)
By the way, if Janner dies, I say his character should become part of the storyline of Planeshift in honor of the achievements made(not to belittle other achievements by others too numerous to mention) by Janner.
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Goodbye all. I sagest moderators check there PM more frequent.
AS of midnight GMT i disbanded guild and left game for good.
I wish you all the best for the future. X(
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If he still has option for staff to email him, could someone please do so. Janner, the character, has become an icon to the game. The player has also contributed much to this game.
Someone try to address his concerns if it\'s possible.
EDIT: You can email Janner through the form. Everyone who Janner has helped when you were new, give him an email to show his presence in the game matters. This is a community, and we should support it by not allowing someone who has contributed so much to it to leave so easily. Those who were not helped, but wish Janner to stay, use the form to email him.
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/me is moved to tears
Janner you are away now.
What a disaster!
You were always a shining example for me.
I will never forget you (not ingame and not irl).
Lord Janner is a irreplaceable character ingame.
I am really sorry that I made nothing to prevent this loss.
Now I can only wish you the best for your future and that you all get what you want.
Best regards
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I do check my PMs, Janner, but I am a forum moderator - I am not a mediator of private conflicts between players. I take care of threads or posts if they contain real flames, not if someone simply doesn\'t like what someone else said. I have great respect for you as a person and as a guildleader, but I know that there are some things you haven chosen to take too far. Simply put - there\'s nothing I can do for you at this point, as sorry about this as I am. I really wish you wouldn\'t just throw your hands up in the air about this all and stick around instead, but I understand that we all have different limits and boundaries of tolerance, and I\'m saddened if you have reached yours so quickly.
Best of luck wherever your paths take you.
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That is were you are wrong i never pestered him in PMs or in game as he said this is all in his mind and it is time you saw that, he has gone out of his way to make it look as if we are fighting but i ignore him in forums as best i can and in game he goes to far there as well, but as always when no GM is on line to catch him.
Frankly your job is to moderate but in a few threads you have used your moderator sig instead of a individual to post you views that is wrongs of you ,and to close a thread you are involved in is wrong too, there are other moderators listed they should judge the threads you post in not you.
This is not a go at you as a moderator i have found you to be fair on the most part but fell it should be brought to you attention the above comments.
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Well, ...
First off Janner you either go or you stick, I mean you said farewell twice on this thread ...
that aside:
I strongly doubt that you are not able to put up with your problems alone, while I dont know the facts toroughly on the internet there is only one way to hurt you, mentally, and there is a great defence against it. Ignoring. While certain persons in this community tend to be upmost disruptive and annoying I have never, ever found myself in a situation where I couldn\'t simply ignore them.
You may ask if that is not hypocritic in some way. \"Picking out what you like and ignoring the rest\" But out of my experience someone who acts up simply wants only one thing: to cause annoyance, and to cause people to dust off because of him. Grievers are, and will always be the shadowside of online gaming. And as much as it is routine for grievers to disrupt the experience to others, this is about impossible in planeshift. There is no Open PK, challenges can be turnt to auto-decline, Guild Invites if I remember get punished if down excessively, and if you are in a guild that isn\'t even of belong.
Picking on Karyuu, because she doesnt interferr with your problems with certain persons of this community, which do not even shine up on a field of her sight (forum), just because you are not able to put up with your problems is rather rude.
I want to state, though, that I respect you as an individual, considering the hours you must have spent gathering the trias you gave to others in the blink of a moment.
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I completely agree with Cyl. I really cannot see how criticizing Karyuu will help you achieve anything, especially when you cannot stand for what you say. Saying \"This is not a go at you as a moderator\" is quite stupid when it clearly was what it was...
From what I\'ve heard, several people have put you on a pedestal, saying that you\'ve done great things for the community. Kythag even called you \"an icon to the game\". So live up to your reputation and leave (if leaving is what you want to do) without leaving a flamewar behind you. Let people remember you as the good guy you obviously are and not as the flamer.
If you have anything to say to Karyuu, you should take it to PM\'s. She\'s not the kind of person that would ignore you...
Good luck with whatever you plan to do and ignore the people ruining your fun ;)
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Janner:
If this stuff is happening so that someone cannot be caught, start taking screenshots as proof of the harrassment. As someone who has also gotten peeved at people and left, I do understand(just not at the level you are describing). I have no knowledge of this situation, I just know it is tragic that you are leaving because of it.
Will you consider coming back into the game with another character so that this person doesn\'t know who you are? You can reregister with the forums. Just a thought.
EDIT: I have been helped by Janner, and I have seen a lot of people saying they were helped by Janner. Many people are \"icons\" to this game, not just Janner. I am not puttiing him on a pedestal, just saying it is tragic that he is leaving. I would feel the same way if Bodacher and Ganinos were leaving, or Drey, Karyuu, or zanzibar. These names are famous(or infamous :D ). Janner is another famous name here. There are many too numerous to name that it would be tragic if they left. Will the game go on...sure. But it wouldn\'t be the same :\\
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Originally posted by r.guppy
Frankly your job is to moderate but in a few threads you have used your moderator sig instead of a individual to post you views that is wrongs of you
If at any time anyone at all has any criticism, or would just like to point out something they don\'t like, they are free to. I\'ve never closed my PM inbox to anyone - though I can\'t promise to reply immediately all the time. However, I do need to remind you that there are some topics on which discussion will be limited, because the dev team already made up its mind on the subject. I make plenty of posts with individual opinions, but sadly it may be hard to tell this unless I state it myself.
and to close a thread you are involved in is wrong too, there are other moderators listed they should judge the threads you post in not you.
Unfortunately I seem to be the only active moderator out of all listed, but I will keep this in mind and stay out of threads that I feel may need a lock - until the end.
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I completely agree with Janner.
To ignore someone is the worst you can do.
A negative answer is much more nice.
Ignoring is guilty for very much evil irl.
That is me myself and I
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Originally posted by r.guppy
That is were you are wrong i never pestered him in PMs or in game as he said this is all in his mind and it is time you saw that, he has gone out of his way to make it look as if we are fighting but i ignore him in forums as best i can and in game he goes to far there as well, but as always when no GM is on line to catch him.
There\'s three sides to every story. Your side, my side, and the truth.
If you leave the game, I hope the best for you in your journey. (As for the rest of you guys who say you will miss him, my advice: Don\'t miss him! Instead, follow his example as you see fit. That\'s the best farewell you could give him.)
Originally posted by Kythag
I would feel the same way if Bodacher and Ganinos were leaving, or Drey, Karyuu, or zanzibar. These names are famous(or infamous :D ).
The man.... the legend....
Thanks for the kind words (I think). I\'ll only mention that Zanzibar isn\'t my main character in game, and is only one of a number of side-characters I keep, most of which have very different personalities.
Truth be told, Zanzibar is dead now, and I don\'t think he\'ll be coming back. Something about taking justice or revenge into his own hands and then an unfortunate accident.
Originally posted by Samiel
To ignore someone is the worst you can do.
A negative answer is much more nice.
I disagree. If you ignore someone to cause them insult from behind the protection of an ignore list, then it isn\'t very insulting; it\'s merely cowardly.
However, you might actually do someone a service by ignoring them. Let\'s say someone hands you an envelope with a letter in it, and you know they wrote something really nasty in it in a moment of passion. You feel that later, they\'ll regret what they wrote down. Maybe they already do! So what now? Do you open the letter and read it, knowing its implications? Or do you return it without reading it? Which is the greater service to the other person?
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Originally posted by Kythag
I would feel the same way if Bodacher and Ganinos were leaving, or Drey, Karyuu, or zanzibar. These names are famous(or infamous :D ).
<3 to you too kythag :P and some words here. (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=17317&boardid=13&styleid=4&page=1#1) :P
Originally posted by Samiel
To ignore someone is the worst you can do.
A negative answer is much more nice.
Well, it depends how you are ignoreing them. To make it count you have to make a show of it. As in if you are standing in a group and and they are there talking you greet all others and not them and things...
Also, it depends on how negative the answer is.
Now i think its time for a new sig.
/me sets to work.
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Wondered how long it would be before you showed up :)
Working on the theory one is a lie then all must be a lie.
Truth be told, Zanzibar is dead now, and I don\'t think he\'ll be coming back. Something about taking justice or revenge into his own hands and then an unfortunate accident.
Is it not true you were in game a few days ago as Zanzibar, and that being a country, and was reported to a GM and it was changed, or you deleted.
O and a bot? do you meen Robot? :D
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Originally posted by r.guppy
Is it not true you were in game a few days ago as Zanzibar, and that being a country, and was reported to a GM and it was changed, or you deleted.
As far as i know it was all sort of some RP plot...
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Do you see now, Janner? You can\'t leave, he wins if you do! Come back, be righteously indignant, and put him on your ignore list. (we do have an ignore list, don\'t we?) How can he annoy you, if you have him on ignore?
Now, can the two of you just hate each other in silence and go back to playing the game? These kind of feuds can hurt others opinion of this game, especially people new to the game. It is bad enough that people unfairly judge this game because it is in a pre-alpha phase.
Can\'t we all just get along?
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So, Drey, are you saying that the naming rules don\'t count if the character is taking part in a role playing plot???
Kythag, Janner can not come back for he is no more, however his spirit is never far away :)
IMO the problem, as far as r.guppy is concerned, is with the two-faced attitudes of some who have positions of power.
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Originally posted by Pip
So, Drey, are you saying that the naming rules don\'t count if the character is taking part in a role playing plot???
Well... As it goes, there is the thing about if you can provide rp background you could get to keep the name, not a thing that I am too fond of though. I made that post mainly as \'No, you are wrong.\' response.
Originally posted by Pip
IMO the problem, as far as r.guppy is concerned, is with the two-faced attitudes of some who have positions of power.
Its Xordan isn\'t it?
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By Dray
Quote:
Originally posted by Pip
So, Drey, are you saying that the naming rules don\'t count if the character is taking part in a role playing plot???
Well... As it goes, there is the thing about if you can provide rp background you could get to keep the name, not a thing that I am too fond of though. I made that post mainly as \'No, you are wrong.\' response.
Just read the naming rules could not find it?
By Dray
Its Xordan isn\'t it?
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No its not Xordan, that is my problem and not to be talked of in hear as you well no.
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I have to ask: Is there any situation in which the GMs, etc. were presented proof(not ones word against another\'s), and they failed to act? My impression is that, from Janner\'s own words, that proof is not to be found because of the slick nature in which these things are done.
I realize that some of the GMs are not always \"user-friendly\", but I am unaware of any blatant violations of their peace-keeping duties. I can say that I have seen examples of GMs being more than eager to tackle the person I believe to be in question. I also believe that they might need solid, black and white proof of a transgression to be able to act without getting blasted for it.
If I am wrong in any of these assumptions, please present that proof(preferably in a PM, rather than open another thread of blasting game officials). I will rescind any statements that are wrong based on my lack of knowledge or error in judgment.
The bottom line is still: Can\'t we all just go back to playing without all the bickering?
Finally, was the Janner character deleted? Unless the character was deleted, of course Janner can come back. Even in that case, r.guppy could still return as another character, if this issue could be resolved without further controversy.
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Sorry but Janner is deleted and guild disbanded ,
So please can this thread be closed.
Thank you.
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Come on Janner... You\'re a good player, you\'re just taking things too hard.
No one\'s two faced here. In fact, most people have plenty of faces, because different people require different interactions. Imagine talking to your grandmother like you talk with your friends :P.
Plus, the Moderator\'s behaviour is not to be discussed, but reported to the head of the moderators. It\'s already a responsability to moderate, imagine having to do it with people complaining.
And you don\'t have to get annoyed at people. Remember you\'re playing a game, there\'s no need to put up with what other players say because you can ignore them without getting slapped (like it could happen IRL.)
Conclusion: it hardly matters what other players say or do, you\'re here to have fun and help improve the game and we all have the power to ignore, report and interact.
Please do reconsider this choice you\'ve made, you\'ve got nice members and a helpful attitude.
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I have to work for a few days and then this happens again :P.. I understood what happened before.. same issue once again? Ive been reading the posts but yeah I dont see what happened this time other then some misplaced anger.. either way Janner good luck with whatever you plan on doing.. but I would never try to make any rash decsions when you are already so angry..
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Originally posted by r.guppy
Sorry but Janner is deleted and guild disbanded ,
So please can this thread be closed.
Thank you.
Since it is your thread, as you wish :)
*edit* Janner has returned, and asked to open the thread again.
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I thank you all for the kind emails, and after talks with close friends was made to see i was being a bit selfish in just walking away, so thank you.
I am back minus my original guild, who have formed A guild of there own, I wish them luck.
I have a small group of players and have begun again so back to business, if you need help and I can I will. :))
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Well its good to have you guys back.
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See?
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Welcome back :D
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Welcome back Janner!
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Well it is hard going but i am very slowly getting a guild together. My web page is up and ok, Forum is slowly growing, But most of all back doing whot i enjoy most helping, AND doing it my way.
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I want to take back much of the negative things I\'ve said in the past about Janner.
Before, I saw a part of him that he did not as quickly show to others.
Of late, he\'s shown me a side of himself that I did not see before.
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Wow, that\'s really honorable :)
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Janner bows to Zanzibar. :)
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At Janners request i have posted a Beginners Tip section in his forum, it is open to all to see and if something has been left out please post.
Thank you.
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Janner,
i hope recent events have not changed anything.. you know i have always supported you, even when your guild was under heavy criticism. Maybe we could talk sometime soon and sort things out. I know you have always been an understanding man.
Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent
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Originally posted by Easton
Janner,
i hope recent events have not changed anything.. you know i have always supported you, even when your guild was under heavy criticism. Maybe we could talk sometime soon and sort things out. I know you have always been an understanding man.
Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent
There is nothing to talk about, this so called council was formed in secret, intentions unknown, by the (using your words)\"oldest maturest guilds\".
The fact that you did this in secret in my opinion gives it no credence and therefore I want nothing to do with it. A council is an elected body.
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Originally posted by zanzibar
See?
yep.
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A council is an elected body.
Since when? A council is a group of people who come together with the purpose to discus something.
The word council doesn\'t say anything about how the people came in it nor what power it wields.
Anyhow not bringing it into the public becuase there is no need for it and keeping it secret are different things. And even if you would call it secret then what is wrong in discussing if there is a need for such a council with people personal first before going public?
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What\'s this? A secret meeting that I wasn\'t invited to?
[My wrath] <----- Feel it.
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Originally posted by Pestilence
A council is an elected body.
Since when? A council is a group of people who come together with the purpose to discus something.
The word council doesn\'t say anything about how the people came in it nor what power it wields.
Anyhow not bringing it into the public becuase there is no need for it and keeping it secret are different things. And even if you would call it secret then what is wrong in discussing if there is a need for such a council with people personal first before going public?
Care to say what SCoY stands for and why it was formed, and by who ?
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There are tonnes of different non-guild councils and associations and organizations and societies. I wouldn\'t think much of it.
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Read for yourself. As you can see the website has been open for the pblic for a while now.
http://ugo.sinet.it/scoy/index.php/Main/HomePage
Also if we are so secret how come I found the site using google? ;)
PS: run through it and some details are out of date, but you should get the idea of what SCoY is.
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Originally posted by Pestilence
Read for yourself. As you can see the website has been open for the pblic for a while now.
http://ugo.sinet.it/scoy/index.php/Main/HomePage
Also if we are so secret how come I found the site using google? ;)
PS: run through it and some details are out of date, but you should get the idea of what SCoY is.
Easy to find if you know what to look for .
No mention of it hear in the official planeshift forum, till today.
SCoy stands for Sworn Council of Yliakum. This implies you were duly elected and sworn in
Lets take a few quotes.
From History.
In the third season, two citizens of honorable character began speaking of the dangers to the realm. They spoke for months to each other, determined to find a way to prevent the decline of their beloved world. Eventually they decided on a plan to foster the growth and development of the realm by it\'s citizens and after much discussion, decided to found a \"guild of guilds\", thus the Sworn Council of Yliakum (SCoY) was born.
Who and what was said, very vague.
Guilds of the highest caliber were carefully chosen to attend the first meeting and only the guild leader and one other were invited to attend. There was a rocky start with the Great Wipe and other delays but the first meeting was eventually held and was by all accounts a great success.
In who\'s opinion ?
From Mission Statemont.
To ensure the well-being of all in Yliakum by learning about and preventing any conflicts from destroying the peace that we all hold dear.
Who are you to determin whot is a threat and how to deal with it ?
All guilds and/or citizens who wish to promote the general well-being in Yliakum may participate.
Thats a hard one to do if you dont know any thing about this, as you havent been publice till now.
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Let me clear one thing up please. and before i even say it, i wish for you to take away any previous thought you may have of the SCoY.
1) we are NOT a governing body of any sort. Heres how it works...
A guild joins by agreeing to the charter. They then, within their own guild, select a few members (ambassadors) to represent their guild in the council. This is usually the guild leader and his/her second, but it is not neccessary at all. The Ambassadors from every guild meet and discuss topics that the guilds themselves bring in, or that other people wish to have us discuss. We then all have a chance to voice our opinions and when the time comes, we vote. Each guild gets two votes (one for each ambassador) and we decide by majority rule. Therefore, the name, Sworn Council of Yliakum-- we have all sworn to go along with the council even if it decides against what we ourselves believe. We all trust each other. Our decisions do not require the participation of anyone besides the member guilds. And, if you check the site, you will see that every guild is invited to read the charter, accept it, and apply for the council.
Janner, we are all fair people, i promise you. As more guilds join, the council will be more balanced, and well-rounded. You should not be insulted. We knew that there would be backlash because people think we are looking for power. But in all reality, if there is any power, it is within each member of each guild that is apart of the council.
All i ask is that you take this with open eyes and open ears. We are only trying to provide everyone with a place to talk in an organized and diplomatic fashion. I wish you the best Janner, as i always have..
Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent
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Copied directly out of the SCoY forums.
Dated November 30, 2005
post by Ogu under the topic \'Which guild should we invite next?\'
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Please post your suggestions for new member guilds here, along with any replies.
My 2 trias:
Janner\'s Way
Feline\'s Lair
Explorers
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I don\'t want to flood your guild forum with this so i refuse to post anymore here. We have a post in the works that we will post this weekend i hope. If you wish to talk you may email me through the site, (http://ugo.sinet.it/scoy) or talk with me in game.
Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent
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/me arrives to make a post full of wtf directed at janner...
Originally posted by r.guppy
SCoy stands for Sworn Council of Yliakum. This implies you were duly elected and sworn in
hardly.... more that they are a group of people with strong feelings towards Yliakum.
i seem to remember something like this happened before... you tried to argue against something and you lost.
Who are you to determin whot is a threat and how to deal with it ?
players... just as much as the rest of us.
i really don\'t see what you are trying to achieve here, maybe its just one of those post count boosters that shal uses? or maybe you just don\'t understand things?
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Originally posted by Drey
/me arrives to make a post full of wtf directed at janner...
wtf ? if you mean what i think you mean say it, or is it not allowed to swear,, and you a GM smiles
Originally posted by r.guppy
SCoY stands for Sworn Council of Yliakum. This implies you were duly elected and sworn in
hardly.... more that they are a group of people with strong feelings towards Yliakum.
i seem to remember something like this happened before... you tried to argue against something and you lost.
refresh my memory a quote please as i do not remember what you are on about
Who are you to determine what is a threat and how to deal with it ?
players... just as much as the rest of us.
Who don\'t get a say in your appointed chosen few
i really don\'t see what you are trying to achieve here, maybe its just one of those post count boosters that shal uses? or maybe you just don\'t understand things?
Do you really believe that, i am disappointed in you if you do shame.. Bad Drey..
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Who are you to determine what is a threat and how to deal with it ?
players... just as much as the rest of us.
Who don\'t get a say in your appointed chosen few
i really don\'t see what you are trying to achieve here, maybe its just one of those post count boosters that shal uses? or maybe you just don\'t understand things?
Do you really believe that, i am disappointed in you if you do shame.. Bad Drey..
But Easton has said several times, and it says so on the website, that any guild is allowed to join. So why do you keep saying that you don\'t have a say in this, Janner? I can understand if you are mad because they kept the council a secret from you in its experimental stage, but make sure you dislike them for the right reason then.
Trying to turn people against them by saying it\'s for a chosen few is obviously outdated at this point.
Your problem is between you and them...
Nothing personal, Janner, but I think Drey is right in everything except for his quite silly post boost theory.
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I am against it simply because it has all be decided by two unknown players and positions have been filled and guilds only need apply.
What of the non guild don\'t they get a say, or don\'t they count.
You proclaim to represent what is best for all, yet in secret and guilds only.
To me that is not right.
I would not apply for a post in such a scam, and have no wish to be invited to such a pompous self opinionated small minded control freak group such as this seams to be.
If you wont control over people and what they do let them elect you, don\'t assume you have a god given right to grab such a position, because that is exactly how i see it.
PS BAD hair day smiles.
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Originally posted by zanzibar
What\'s this? A secret meeting that I wasn\'t invited to?
[My wrath] <----- Feel it.
My dear dark soul, there are others... :evil:
Originally posted by r.guppy
I am against it simply because it has all be decided by two unknown players and positions have been filled and guilds only need apply.
What of the non guild don\'t they get a say, or don\'t they count.
You proclaim to represent what is best for all, yet in secret and guilds only.
To me that is not right.
I would not apply for a post in such a scam, and have no wish to be invited to such a pompous self opinionated small minded control freak group such as this seams to be.
If you wont control over people and what they do let them elect you, don\'t assume you have a god given right to grab such a position, because that is exactly how i see it.
PS BAD hair day smiles.
Janner, Im with you on this one.
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They have repeated over and over again that they are not a government so why do they have to turn to the guildless people? They wanted to make a \"guild of guilds\" and I don\'t see what\'s wrong with that. It has been done several times before and I don\'t remember people getting annoyed back then.
There are also several guilds whose goal is to cleanse Yliakum from all evil. Why don\'t you ask all of them what right they have to decide who is evil? After all, their actions against evil are as likely to affect you as the actions made by this council.
They are not forcing any rules on anybody, so I don\'t see what they do to deserve you calling them control freaks. The only control they have is over those that decide to join the council, and since guilds apply to the council and are by no means forced into it, you could say their applications represent their vote.
I seriously think you wanted to be part of this from the start, which is why you are pissed (and because of your hair of course ;)). Because, from what I can see, there is nothing about this council that would normally offend Janner or even offend a normal Janner. :)
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Oh, I remember that thing.
Janner, don\'t think twice about it. It\'s just a \"coming together\" of the leaders of the various good-alligned guilds... as well as the lawful-neutral guilds who are actually good-alligned because they don\'t understand lawful-neutral. :-D
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Originally posted by Father Sengus
They have repeated over and over again that they are not a government so why do they have to turn to the guildless people? They wanted to make a \"guild of guilds\" and I don\'t see what\'s wrong with that. It has been done several times before and I don\'t remember people getting annoyed back then.
There are also several guilds whose goal is to cleanse Yliakum from all evil. Why don\'t you ask all of them what right they have to decide who is evil? After all, their actions against evil are as likely to affect you as the actions made by this council.
They are not forcing any rules on anybody, so I don\'t see what they do to deserve you calling them control freaks. The only control they have is over those that decide to join the council, and since guilds apply to the council and are by no means forced into it, you could say their applications represent their vote.
I seriously think you wanted to be part of this from the start, which is why you are pissed (and because of your hair of course ;)). Because, from what I can see, there is nothing about this council that would normally offend Janner or even offend a normal Janner. :)
Not a Government not a council, then whot a bunch of hot air do goders, grow up it starts in secret sod the masses we are from guilds ( thos cosen by us to govern you in whot you do) Wake up ..
This is how a revalotion starts to change things.
I Seriously think i DO NOT wont to be part of this ego trip.
As this is being discussed in General Discussions, \"The Octarch\", as I understand it you SUMMONED xillix to the Temple of Laanx, which I believe is your headquarters(?), we should continue this there.
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Originally posted by r.guppy
Not a Government not a council, then whot a bunch of hot air do goders, grow up it starts in secret sod the masses we are from guilds ( thos cosen by us to govern you in whot you do) Wake up ..
Some things need to be prepared secretly. Some things need to _stay_ secret.
I dont want to be to straight-forward, but there have been guilds which only prupose was to offer a guild tag, so the members dont have to deal with invites by other guilds.
Is a get-together of guild leaders really so bad?
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First of Janner get a life. If you think guilds working together to make Yliakum a better place is a bad thing tough luck for you.
There is no reason for this egotistical childish behavior of acusing us of things even some of our enemies don\'t believe to be true.
The laanx temple was \"the octarchs headquarters\" not the other way around. It was also \"the octarch\" that asked our support and then we had to make an opinion and we didn\'t decide to do this before this.
You are casting judgement on us on some rampant fantasies and with no facts at all as you have said several things that are simply not true.
Our decicions on where we cooperate is our decicion of OUR actions. Are you now saying you don\'t decide your own actions?
We are not a goverment and don\'t want to be one, but even if we would what would be wrong with that if \"the octarch\"apparently did nothing wrong?
Do we have more power united? Perhaps but that ofcourse is the goal. Not becuase we are power hungry powermongers who\'s only goal in life is to play the boss of others as you imply, but becuase there are simply several guilds with the same goals and it would be foolish not to cooperate if we really want those goals to be obtained.
This makes us realists.
As Sengus said it has been done before many times before and there is nothing wrong with it and as Sengus said it looks a whole lot like you are just pissed you were not included, what I think is kinda strange seeing Janner\'s way isn\'t a guild as you explained it.
Also who we the DC ally is our business and I dont see why we should report that to you and why it would be a crime if we don\'t.
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I have to say I didn\'t fully understand your post Janner, so I can\'t really make a good reply. What I did understand was that they are just a bunch of \"do gooders\" which makes me wonder why that makes them your enemy. I thought you were one of those \"do gooders\". Does that mean Janner\'s Way is an ego trip as well then?
And can you please clarify the part about summoning xillix and taking it to the \"Octarch\" thread? The problem at the ingame meeting was that people spoke of this council when they should have been talking about the Octarch so I see no reason to take this discussion there. It does not belong there...
It\'s your thread and you do what you wish with it, all I ask for is a clarification of your previous post before we move the discussion somewhere or simply stop it. :)
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Originally posted by Cyl
Originally posted by r.guppy
Not a Government not a council, then what a bunch of hot air do gooders, grow up it starts in secret sod the masses we are from guilds ( those cosine by us to govern you in what you do) Wake up ..
Some things need to be prepared secretly. Some things need to _stay_ secret.
I don\'t want to be to straight-forward, but there have been guilds which only purpose was to offer a guild tag, so the members don\'t have to deal with invites by other guilds.
Is a get-together of guild leaders really so bad?
Yes my Guild is such a guild and i never kept it a secret.
I have no abjection to guilds grouping, and trying to sort guild problems out. but to form and proclaim they will sort all problems no mater what the source. stinks to be blunt .
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Good thing we never \"proclaimed\" that then :P
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Originally posted by Pestilence
Good thing we never \"proclaimed\" that then :P
To ensure the well-being of all in Yliakum by learning about and preventing any conflicts from destroying the peace that we all hold dear.
Sounds to me you did.
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preventing any conflicts from destroying the peace
all problems no mater what the source
It clearly says prevent conflicts from destroying the peace not prevent all conflicts. And for something to destroy the peace it seems to me it would be a bit more serious then the avarage problem.
Again the facts are there.
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OK blunt talk who are you to interfere in matters you were not elected, players were not consulted, so you have no right , blunt again mind your own unless asked.
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Again as said Xillix ASKED US.
And why would we mind our \"own business\"? Your definately not doing it yourself.
Anyhow if it\'s a big enough problem to destroy the peace you can hardly say it\'s not someones business if he lives there.
and no players are consulted? We represent six guilds. Why wouldn\'t we have the right to tell people our opinions? If that were the case you have no right at all. Still this whole thread is loaded with your opinions.
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Originally posted by Pestilence
Again as said Xillix ASKED US.
And why would we mind our \"own business\"? Your definately not doing it yourself.
Anyhow if it\'s a big enough problem to destroy the peace you can hardly say it\'s not someones business if he lives there.
and no players are consulted? We represent six guilds. Why wouldn\'t we have the right to tell people our opinions? If that were the case you have no right at all. Still this whole thread is loaded with your opinions.
I was told she was summoned. and yes it is my opinion, and its my guild thread to.
O sorry six guilds wow thats more than let me see how many guilds in this guild section, about 20 in a fast count, opps sorry my math\'s are wrong, you represent less than a third, so i say to you, get of your soap box rethink and try again.
O and the mass of non guild players too probably outnumber you too.
I state what i think you are doing what you wont without thinking or caring what others think or you would have been open about it.
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It\'s more then you consulted Janner thats the point. And you don\'t have the right to tell anyone he isn\'t allowed to tell their opinion.
We arent forcing anyone to do anything. It was our opinion that Xillix was basicly asking us to overthrow the sitting goverment and our characters wanted no part in it.
It is our right to decide this and to fight for what we feel is right.
For someone who says we are the powertrippers you seem to be very good at telling what we can and can\'t do.
And following your rants logic I am pretty sure your rant isn\'t supported by the majority of the community and that you didn\'t consult enough players about it so please do what you are telling us to do.
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I don\'t need to consult on my opinion, its mine and others will give theirs to if you ask them, o sorry you wont you are doing it in secret.
Or were till i got wind of it smiles.
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Aahhh so we have to consult the majority of the community before doing anything (ofcourse meaning you) but you can say and do whatever you want without consulting anyone
hmm yeah thats why we are having this discusion becuase we were so ultra secretive about opposing Xillix that everyone knows it.
Again (yeah I know it\'s been told so often you are wondering if he is reading the same posts) Xillix asked our support and we did give her our opinion as in that we would have no part in overthrowing the goverment.
If thats the best you can do I think I don\'t need to say more.
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Originally posted by Pestilence
Aahhh so we have to consult the majority of the community before doing anything (ofcourse meaning you) but you can say and do whatever you want without consulting anyone
hmm yeah thats why we are having this discusion becuase we were so ultra secretive about opposing Xillix that everyone knows it.
Again (yeah I know it\'s been told so often you are wondering if he is reading the same posts) Xillix asked our support and we did give her our opinion as in that we would have no part in overthrowing the goverment.
If thats the best you can do I think I don\'t need to say more.
What a self proclaimed bully you must be and power mad to have the check to set up a council to run and demand things be done how you wont them to be done.
I stait my objections to your power trip and you try to twist it how lame. Not to mention your ego must be a bit bruised with this bashing how dare i oppose you, i speck for myself and no one else, you on the other hand speck for all, or so you would have us believe.
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Erm. Janner, take this as a little nudge from someone who doesn\'t follow \"guild politics\" at all - I think you\'re misinterpreting things. Badly. It may be wise to calm down and look things over again, as at the moment you are making yourself look ... not so good.
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*laughs*
I\'m twisting it around? Hardly. I never said or hinted that we spoke for the majority I even already mentioned that we didn\'t.
However YOU were the one that said we should have consulted before forming the council. Why? Did you consult most of the community when you started Janners Way? I never heard of it before you started it so that must be no \"ofcourse\"
We aren\'t a bully. We aren\'t purposefully insulting people unlike you and we aren\'t telling people what they can or can not do unlike you. We aren\'t demaning things at all unlike you.
We do have an opinion about things and we shall tell our opinion when asked as we were.
You can opose us for sure but insult us and don\'t expect us to be your friends. And keep to the facts becuase an opinion is one thing, saying we do things or did things without it having happened and no evidence is simple slander.
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Library /
History
In the third season, two citizens of honorable character began speaking of the dangers to the realm. They spoke for months to each other, determined to find a way to prevent the decline of their beloved world. Eventually they decided on a plan to foster the growth and development of the realm by it\'s citizens and after much discussion, decided to found a \"guild of guilds\", thus the Sworn Council of Yliakum (SCoY) was born.
Guilds of the highest caliber were carefully chosen to attend the first meeting and only the guild leader and one other were invited to attend. There was a rocky start with the Great Wipe and other delays but the first meeting was eventually held and was by all accounts a great success.
two citizens of honorable character
Care to name them
They spoke for months to each other, determined to find a way to prevent the decline of their beloved world.
What decline, as far as i know it has been growing.
Guilds of the highest caliber were carefully chosen
Care to name them.
Mission Statement
The Sworn Council of Yliakum Charter
Why?
To ensure the well-being of all in Yliakum by learning about and preventing any conflicts from destroying the peace that we all hold dear.
To ensure the well-being of all preventing any conflicts
To me sounds like you wont to control all that is going on.
Who?
All guilds and/or citizens who wish to promote the general well-being in Yliakum may participate.
So if someone wonts there say they can.
On occasion, an invited guest may be in attendance to give testimony at an assembly. He or she will then have to adhere to the guest rules* (see below).
This seams to me to contradict.
Guest Rules
As mentioned above, On occasion, an invited guest may be in attendance to give testimony at an assembly. Since this guest is not a member of the council, he or she will be responsible for adhering to the following rules:
1) You will take an oath before speaking to the council. This oath is to be repeated after you have spoken.
2) You will not speak until asked to do so. If asked to stop speaking by any member of the council you will do so.
3) You will not disrespect any member of the council, nor anyone else present at an assembly.
4) If presented with an invitation to an assembly, you will be in attendance. If you cannot be in attendance that day, you will inform a member of the council of your situation.
5) All issues and contents of the assembly will remain secret. No one is to know any details of the assembly, including your attendance, unless the expressed consent of the entire council.
So you can have your say but after keep your mouth shut.
I am not telling you or anyone to do it my way, I am pointing out that you have laid claim to the town council building and that implies you are the town council, and as I understand it a town council is elected by the people of the town, you were not.
From your own history this all came about by two citizens of honorable character.
The citizens of this town decide who governs them not two citizens of honorable character.
As for my rood conduct i apologies.
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two citizens of honorable character
Care to name them
They spoke for months to each other, determined to find a way to prevent the decline of their beloved world.
What decline, as far as i know it has been growing.
Guilds of the highest caliber were carefully chosen
Care to name them.
I believe that is refering to Easton and Sensotaka.
The list of our members isn\'t a secret. beside them several guilds that might have interest have been asked to have a look at the charter.
To ensure the well-being of all preventing any conflicts
To me sounds like you wont to control all that is going on.
ohh come on I already adressed this and thats one of the worst cases I have seen in a long while of misquoting something delibaretly out of context
FROM DESTROYING THE PEACE. Is what it says. This means when there is a serious problem becuase a simple disagreement doesn\'t threaten the peace. It also doesn\'t mean we are nececarily are going to prevent the conflict just make sure innocents aren\'t affected by it.
So if someone wonts there say they can.
Everyone who agrees to the charter can join as I already mentioned and others before me.
So you can have your say but after keep your mouth shut.
I am not telling you or anyone to do it my way, I am pointing out that you have laid claim to the town council building and that implies you are the town council, and as I understand it a town council is elected by the people of the town, you were not.
From your own history this all came about by two citizens of honorable character.
The citizens of this town decide who governs them not two citizens of honorable character.
As for my rood conduct i apologies.
laid claim to the town council building???
I have said half a dozen times already we have no intend of being a goverment. Claiming that we do again and again doesn\'t make this more true.
As for your apologies not very convincing if in the same post you tell us to shut our mouths. Also saying you are not telling us what we have to do after saying to shut our mouths makes that you have already disproven your own words in the same post.
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Originally posted by Pestilence
The laanx temple was \"the octarchs headquarters\" not the other way around. It was also \"the octarch\" that asked our support and then we had to make an opinion and we didn\'t decide to do this before this.
We are not a goverment and don\'t want to be one, but even if we would what would be wrong with that if \"the octarch\"apparently did nothing wrong?
The octarch headquarters, to me is same as council buildings. or so i believe.
So you can have your say but after keep your mouth shut.
Now who is misquoting. this was a reference to your guest rules
5) All issues and contents of the assembly will remain secret. No one is to know any details of the assembly, including your attendance, unless the expressed consent of the entire council.
Finaly after asking a few times you say who the two were. Easton and Sensotaka.
To ensure the well-being of all in Yliakum by learning about and preventing any conflicts from destroying the peace that we all hold dear.
And i will keep bringing it up you words stats ALL. ALL means ALL.
Guilds of the highest caliber were carefully chosen
Still don\'t know how these were.
As for your apologies not very convincing if in the same post you tell us to shut our mouths. Also saying you are not telling us what we have to do after saying to shut our mouths makes that you have already disproven your own words in the same post.
I will repeat it. As for my rood conduct i apologies. As i forgive you yours.
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Just found out about this \"discussion\". It seems to me that there is a lot of misunderstanding concerning what happend between the SCoY & Xillix. Let me try to clarify things a bit. For those that don\'t know I am one of the original members of the SCoY.
Xillix has been using the Temple as her headquarters not us. We do not have a headquarters anywhere.
Xillix asked us to support her as Octarch. We dicussed it & decided to oppose her. We needed to meet with her to inform her of our decission & asked her where she would like to meet. It was her choice to met in the temple. We didn\'t summon her. We asked to meet with her so we could give her our decicission.
As I stated we sent a delegation consisting of 4 of us. That delegation consisted of Ogu, Easton,Illori & Myself. Xillix\'s side invited a large contingent & someone from their side even tried to delay things so others could attend. I even asked them \"Are you trying to turn this into a circus?\"
As has been stated over, & over & over again & again. We have made no claims that we are the government. Just because we didn\'t advertise ourselves does not make us a \"secret organization\". Many people in-game knew we existed. We didn\'t try to actively hide our existance. We wanted to grow slowly at 1st. It was always intended to be open to most everyone. There is nothing sinister about the SCoY. It is an affiliation of guilds only & we are constantly looking to add to it.
Janner, you & I have been friends for a very long time. I have had & still do have a lot of respect for you. I was sad when you left PS & was glad when you returned. It looks to me that you have been missinformed on some things & mis understood others. Janner, from one friend to another, the SCoYs goals & your goals are simalar. Lets not get into a feud over misunderstandings.
Respectfully,
Gan, \"Long Beard\"
Leader White Dragon Clan
Dragon High Master in the Dragon Council
Original member of the SCoY
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I give up Janner. If you want to believe we are a group of powerhungry people go ahead.
If you don\'t want to believe us even knowing people like me, Ganinos, Rioth, Eolius, Ogu and Sensotaka then that is your loss.
The respect I had for you was great, but your actions here of taking conclusions while only hearing one side of the story and asuming the worst of us has greatly deminished that respect.
Even now you wont admit you were probably wrong about us. Even when proven the facts you sling at us are simply not true. You now cling to a few words as your whole case that before I showed them you didn\'t even know, but your conclusions were already ready.
If someone said you were starting something becuase you were powerhungry or it looked that way I would ask you about it before posting acusations like that. I am sorry to find you did not.
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Janner. This. Is. Just. A. Game...
cool down, chill out.
You go around shouting that noone elected them, noone supports them. This is not true. This council is supported by guilds, yes by whole guilds, who chose it to be so. Guilds are institutions of power, and they have the right to do what ever the heck they feel like with their power, it was their decision, not mine, not yours.
And as an alliance of guilds they have the right to try and interfere with every and each single conflict they want to interfere with.
I am not sure that you know, but what you try is to strip other players of their freedom of speech and their freedom of playing the way they want to.
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Originally posted by Cyl
Janner. This. Is. Just. A. Game...
cool down, chill out.
You go around shouting that noone elected them, noone supports them. This is not true. This council is supported by guilds, yes by whole guilds, who chose it to be so. Guilds are institutions of power, and they have the right to do what ever the heck they feel like with their power, it was their decision, not mine, not yours.
And as an alliance of guilds they have the right to try and interfere with every and each single conflict they want to interfere with.
I am not sure that you know, but what you try is to strip other players of their freedom of speech and their freedom of playing the way they want to.
This. Is. Just. A. Game...
cool down, chill out.
I know its a game, and i am chilled out. smiles
You go around shouting that noone elected them, noone supports them.
I said They were not elected, I did not say they were not supported,
I am not sure that you know, but what you try is to strip other players of their freedom of speech and their freedom of playing the way they want to.
If i read this right i role my guild with a iron rod and God help all who apose me. Don\'t think so.
Ganinos my friend yes it seams i did get a few bum steers, I concede that. But to do it in secret, don\'t really see why to start the planning yes ok, but to be all in place and active before going public, sorry but i feel it was wrong, also i might add you are only out in the open now because of me, I may go about things in a funny way but my intension was not to radical or slander but was only pointing out i felt it was wrong to do it this way.[in my opinon] If you were open about it a bit sooner i would have most likly suported you.
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I am afraid to answer here. I wonder if I should or should not. I will probably be misunderstood (and not being a native english speaker will only be one factor of several).
But I have to...
Janner, you already acted \"head over heels\" a few times. One time it made your \"children\" create an own guild to stay together without their \"daddy\".
Now this case ... for someone who doesn\'t know you longer and better, it looks like you being jealous of not being one of the founding members of the SCoY. But just these emotional actions might have been one of the reason why you were considered as early member but actually not asked right away. And declaring Ruby Reign as a guild with some order and principles may have been the trigger to invite us just a few days ago.
You are still free to apply for joining the council - but you really should only see it as some kind of \"loose alliance between several guilds\" at the moment, a cooperative organisation between guilds with similar intentions.
I would enjoy you and your guild meeting the council presidium, sorting out misunderstandngs and telling your opinion. If you say that your style will not match ours, it would be a pity, but your decision.
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I am not jealous or emotional or even head over heels.
I have no desire what soever of joining or being in SCoY.
I have a deep mistrust of things done in secret.
If it was more open from the beginning I would have no problem with it.
I am not a man to lead and not a man to follow, I wish to be good and do as I want, as long as it harms no one.
From my first post. Remember it I do.
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Originally posted by r.guppy
but to be all in place and active before going public, sorry but i feel it was wrong
To build a council with such goals as what the SCoY have, it was needed to build a strong base first before getting all in the open. Otherwise it wouldn\'t have lasted long, and the SCoY would have remained a dream. Of course you may feel it was wrong, but others also felt it was wrong to rush things.
Originally posted by r.guppy
also i might add you are only out in the open now because of me
It\'s not the case. We have planned to make an official announcement for some time now already. Note that RL isn\'t always willing to let us (players) do as we plan.
Originally posted by r.guppy
If you were open about it a bit sooner i would have most likly suported you.
Then I think you should reconsider your position. Would you ponder what I said above, I\'m sure you will anyway.
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Originally posted by Rioth
Originally posted by r.guppy
but to be all in place and active before going public, sorry but i feel it was wrong
To build a council with such goals as what the SCoY have, it was needed to build a strong base first before getting all in the open. Otherwise it wouldn\'t have lasted long, and the SCoY would have remained a dream. Of course you may feel it was wrong, but others also felt it was wrong to rush things.
Originally posted by r.guppy
also i might add you are only out in the open now because of me
It\'s not the case. We have planned to make an official announcement for some time now already. Note that RL isn\'t always willing to let us (players) do as we plan.
Originally posted by r.guppy
If you were open about it a bit sooner i would have most likely supported you.
Then I think you should reconsider your position. Would you ponder what I said above, I\'m sure you will anyway.
I wonder why you would think this, \"Otherwise it wouldn\'t have lasted long\"
I cant argue there as it has just kicked me in the teeth. (yesterday) \"Note that RL isn\'t always willing to let us (players) do as we plan.\"
but will argue planning to and doing are not the same.
Time will tell if you are doing this for the right reasons and indeed if i am wrong to mistrust you.
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Janner, I speak as someone who is not on good terms with the majority of those on the ScoY.
Don\'t worry about them, they aren\'t acting with any mallice. Janner\'s way would probably do well to have a seat at their table.
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Originally posted by zanzibar
Janner, I speak as someone who is not on good terms with the majority of those on the ScoY.
Don\'t worry about them, they aren\'t acting with any mallice. Janner\'s way would probably do well to have a seat at their table.
I wonder sometimes if i am not from another planet, I know my spelling and grammar is bad. But come on even if I 100% approved of them and totally agreed with the way thy went about doing it. I don\'t wont a seat on there council or anyone else\'s for that matter. I am happy doing things my way and don\'t wont to tell anyone how to do it, do it your way.
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For the last time in the thread... they\'re not telling people what to do. They don\'t control anyone but their own guilds, who agree to this.
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The YliakumMilitia I 100% approve off and wish them the very best of luck. If a need arises i will help them in anyway i can. They were formed as a result of a event in Ojaveda, and was done in the open and not in secret .
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Janner there are secrets all around you. This is a game, and not everything has to be cleared. I know the people who have been working on SKoY have kept it out of the public eye. Did you ever stop to think why? I think is it safe to assume that these people were working on a system and wanted to make it stable before introducing it. Think about it, they would have people asking question ... don\'t you think they would want to be prepared. They are uniting guilds to fight evil that may arise in Yliakum. Something in which I thought you stood for? I don\'t understand why you are so against this... even if it is done behind the sceens and introduced later ... what does that matter? You don\'t trust it? Yet you have been friends with most of these people who represent SKoY. You know they are all good people, but you bash them and lash out. I don\'t know you well Janner but I think you need to think about the things you are saying and become clear with the facts ..... you have many of them wrong. (This was all ooc just to make sure that is understood)
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My dear zorbels.
Yes most are my friends and most i trust very much but i fell i must point out a FRIEND of mine when i quit made a alto of me and was going to make money out of my name, Another FRIEND took a bribe to keep quit about it.
So never fully trust your friends, keep a open mind to things and if you fell something is wrong would you keep quit or voice your thoughts.
I voiced my thoughts and most have been answered to the good, and i have conceded to let this matter be solved over time, if i was wrong in my doubts no harm done only to me for my mistrust , that i will live with.
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Originally posted by Karyuu
For the last time in the thread... they\'re not telling people what to do. They don\'t control anyone but their own guilds, who agree to this.
That isn\'t exactly all there is to it. They have an interest in PS\'s society and the way things \'happen\'. And they want to fight evil. What is evil though? Is evil a tactic, a career choice? Is evil a guild? Is evil a person? Whatever it is, they aren\'t simply concerned with their own guilds... even if their own guilds are what they control directly.
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But if a group of \"Defender/Protector\" guilds join together, is it any different in concept than having a Defender/Protector guild, for example? Now there is just a group of them working together. Better to ask such a thing of the individual guilds, I would think.
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Originally posted by Karyuu
But if a group of \"Defender/Protector\" guilds join together, is it any different in concept than having a Defender/Protector guild, for example? Now there is just a group of them working together. Better to ask such a thing of the individual guilds, I would think.
That\'s true as well, but I think there\'s a bit of a difference. Five guilds acting as one has more \'weight\' to it than a single guild acting alone. More weight on new players, or whoever they\'re focussing on. It\'s also a forum for discussion, and that alone is very significant.
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Originally posted by zanzibar
That isn\'t exactly all there is to it. They have an interest in PS\'s society and the way things \'happen\'. And they want to fight evil. What is evil though? Is evil a tactic, a career choice? Is evil a guild? Is evil a person? Whatever it is, they aren\'t simply concerned with their own guilds... even if their own guilds are what they control directly.
Please tell me where it says we wish to destroy evil.
@Janner- We just posted a thread. Let me know what you think. I hope you reconsider. Also, please let me know which \"friends\" did these things to you. I would like to know. It would also add credibility to your accusation.
Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent
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Originally posted by Easton
Please tell me where it says we wish to destroy evil.
No.
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Sent my log of it for your eyes only please.
@Janner- We just posted a thread. Let me know what you think. I hope you reconsider. Also, please let me know which \"friends\" did these things to you. I would like to know. It would also add credibility to your accusation.
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Hello all are guild forums have been down for over a week, for now post hear please, trying to find out the problem.
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We have new guild forums now, you can still get to them through the link on the website.
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:thumbup: A big thumbs up to Hulka very well done and you have livened up the place, well done.
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Yes, Hulka did a great job on the forums and website.
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Smiles it is my website.
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Congratulations to Dmiles promoted to Judge. A well deserved promotion \\o//
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Thanks Janner, I hope I can serve my position as well as you serve yours.
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:( Sorry to see Pipakri leave but RL calls, fair-well and good luck.
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Errr... no offense, but a lot of this seems to be banter that would be fairly meaningless to anyone outside your guild. Should you perhaps keep it to your actual guild forums? Most definitely keep the rest of the world clued in to major happenings in your guild, but perhaps the minor events should not clutter your guild thread? It is, actually, meant to be more of a place for your guild to interact with the outside world of PS than as a guild chat channel.
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Non taken but fell it is relevant so will post smiles.
First post ever in this thread was « on: July 30, 2005, 01:22:01 PM » and since then only 193 post so don't fell It is over posting.
news is news no mater how trivial. [194 now]
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Can't say I agree with you, but I do suppose it's up to you to decide how you want your guild to be viewed.
Good show on not being offended. I heartily approve. There is nothing duller than someone who tries to justify himself every time a suggestion is made.
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Originally posted by Phinehas
Originally posted by Kelden
the arrival of the character wipe this coming week
Hmm...? Since when is it this coming week? We\'re nowhere near as far as I know...
Originally posted by Talad
[Taken from main web site]
Hi Planeshifters,
we worked hard in the past month to provide an update to the current PS release. The update will be ready in the next few days, and while you?re waiting we?ll give you a little insight into what it contains.
........... This change really requires that we proceed with the famous WIPE of characters, so everyone will start from the beginning with the new rules.
28.07.2005, 03:57
Originally posted by Kelden
But, given all the limitations of game, associations and form, for better or worse, I still maintain that I have made the correct choice of affiliation by joining Janner\'s Way.
Yes, well, good for you. Quite frankly, I don\'t think anyonce cares about this organisation one way or the other. It\'s not big enough, or well-organized enough, or original enough, or old enoough to even be worth arguing about, so...
Basically, some *ahem* \"newbie\" comes along and starts something half-baked. If he enjoys it, good for him. If a few more people like it, good for them. However, I would try and stay out of the spotlight as people don\'t take kindly to their time being wasted with threads such as this. Don\'t expect a lot of sympathy.
I really must applaud the fact that it seems to be at least somewhat RP-oriented though. Good for you.
Might want to change the name, though. Not many people are interested in joining a guild that\'s named after the leader.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2005, 03:59:11 AM by Phinehas »
How time flies and yes I am still hear and yes still called Janners Way smiles.
Stay out of the spot lght never found one in game to stand under grins.
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Very simple I do things my way my members do it there way grins
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1. If you have mining skill you will need a pick[ buy from Harnquist ] ( he trains mining as well ) in main town or Toda in Ojaveda. ( 100 tria = money )
Then you need to find where to dig; for gold the Magic shop is a good place to look, to dig type /dig gold.
2.To equip something in your inventory [I on keyboard] click it drag it to place it goes and click to place it there.
3a. To fight, right click on target then click crossed swords from icons that pop up.
3b. To fight normal click on target then go to info box [ the small one with time in it and coloured bars ] and click third icon from left to normal attack. ( putting your pointer on icons will tell you what they do. )
4a. To Loot right click target after killing click the moneybag icon. ( double normal click on target same as right click )
4b. Or you can type /loot.
5. Quests. To get one, say to NPC [ blue name ]
A. give me job.
B. give me quest.
C. may i help you.
6. To set a Shortcut Open by clicking on axe icon then on an empty window right click to open and type what you need. (commands for this are in help icon.( ? )
7. To Pick up an item type /target next nearest item.. then type /pickup.
8. To trade with someone right click them then click the box in hand icon. drag item from right to left then click moneybag top left to complete.
9. To Train first find the trainer you need if a NPC has a book icon then they train something, click on skill to train then moneybag to pay for it, keep doing this till you see a message saying you can train no more, it is time to go practice your skill to finish training.
10. To Drink or eat open inventory [I on keyboard ] click it drag it to your picture and let go.
11. To do a Action for example bows or nod or points. type /me bows or nods or points.
12. lag Most common cause is music, so turn off in pssetup if you are suffering from this, also it is a cause of many crashes.
13.To set Options click on the icon in row of icons, next to quit icon. Added thanks to zanzibar.
14. To find commands click on help icon.( ? )
15. There is a Help channel for advice but please don't ask how to do or what to say regarding quests.
16. if you get stuck and cant move try typing /unstick only do it once or you will end up in Death Realm, and if you fall in pit there type /die Puts you back to start of Death Realm.
17. One button mouse . open options go to mouse next to ContexMenu click on SET. then save, gives right click on normal click.
18. Repair weapon. To do this you need a weapons repair kit, buy from Smithy. Hold weapon in right hand type /repair.
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:thumbup:
Thanks, being a Mac user I found 17. to be a useful tip.
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We have now started a guild quest of the week. There will be many interesting quests and role play events to come. We hope to hold one atleast every week and have prizes also!
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Just to give you a Idea of what can be done, here is the first three quests given to guild.
Go to Trasok. open buy window.
clue, 1-1 = W. Think of _ =
list of items i want.
1-5 1-6 1-2 4-14 2-2 2-4 4-13 3-8 2-2 1-2.
3-6 1-1 3-7 2-1 1-4 1-4 3-9 1-2 3-1.
1-5 1-4 1-2 1-6 1-1 1-2 1-3 1-4 1-5 1-6 1-7.
1-1 2-13 3-8.
Take a screenshot of your character on the highest point you can find in the planeshift world. It can be on mountains, buildings, or anywhere that you think is the highest that you can get your character. Post your screenshots here.
find the NPC that says this : Vigesimi by the people's will in the fourth generation of succession. My father disappeared while I was still young and the duty to hold the fortress to the bronze doors and with it the protection over Yliakum against the vicious creatures from the stonelabyrinths fell upon me. It is now and shall remain a great honor to serve the people of Yliakum.
I want full name and location. Or a screenshot.
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Examples of three ways to help.
Thing to remember when advising is you have 3 mins to answer from time of asking. If you think you need to claim the question because it requires a long answer; DON'T because you only get 30 secs to answer after claiming.
IN ADVICE (Help Channel)
As this example shows you may need more than one answer, so be prepared.
(20:12:51) Player asks: why isn't my 'health' increasing??
(20:14:42) You advise: move one or two steps some times it get stuck if no luck there try a heal spell or potion, if still no luck try a restart
(20:15:15) Player asks: I've already tried restart
(20:15:53) You advise: potion or heal or move ?
(20:16:25) Player asks: not yet for potion/heal but move yes
(20:17:17) Janner says: if you cant heal yourself ask a passer by if they will do it for you
(20:17:25) Player previously asked: not yet for potion/heal but move yes
(20:18:16) You advise: were are you ?
(20:18:37) Player asks: going to buy potion in arena
(20:19:23) You advise: if after a potion it still does not rise do a pation icon in row of icons
(20:30:28) Player asks: tried potion and restart but health still isn't rising!
(20:31:44) You advise: sorry thats all i can think of, do a patition and a gm will try to help or get a dev to look at your problem
(20:32:44) Player asks: a petition?
(20:33:20) Player asks: I just describe the problem in there?
(20:33:43) You advise: the icon of a person praying click it
(20:35:39) Player asks: ok thnx
(20:35:58) You advise: glad to help
IN CHAT
(03:02:59) Player says: Janner!
(03:03:01) Player says: : D
(03:03:02) Janner nods hello sir
(03:03:22) Player says: Thanks as always
(03:03:32) Player says: You're invaluable!
(03:03:54) Player says: I have a quick question for you...
(03:03:56) Janner smiles
(03:04:30) Player says: [On the Stats and Skills page, the bars there...]
(03:04:42) Player says: [blue is how much can be added if I train a progression point on it?]
(03:05:32) Janner says: [blue is PP yes
(03:05:34) Janner says: ]
(03:05:42) Player says: [yellow and red?]
(03:06:13) Janner says: [yellow to train with trainer red is to tern green as you do skill]
(03:06:57) Player says: ohhh
(03:07:11) Player says: thats the physical knowledge/theoretical knowledge
(03:07:14) Player says: ??
(03:07:22) Janner says: [yes]
(03:08:05) Janner says: [you must train all yellow first then go do skill to tern red green]
(03:08:29) Player says: [Oh Janner, its all so clear now]
(03:08:34) Player says: [I'm having an epiphany]
(03:08:46) Janner says: [when bar is all green you rank up and start again]
(03:08:59) Player says: [rank ups are automatic?]
(03:09:22) Janner says: [yes a message wqill show when it happens]
(03:09:28) Janner says: will*
(03:09:34) Player says: [Aaah, thanks again friend!]
(03:09:41) Janner says: glad to help
(03:40:24) Player says: You wouldn't know the way to Cat city would you?
(03:40:28) Player says: Oja something or other?
(03:40:45) Janner says: yes its a long way but will show you
(03:40:55) Player says: Alright! Lets do it!
(03:40:24) Player says: You wouldn't know the way to Cat city would you?
(03:40:28) Player says: Oja something or other?
(03:40:45) Janner says: yes its a long way but will show you
(03:40:55) Player says: Alright! Lets do it!
(04:18:54) Player tells you: stuck in the wall]
(04:19:05) Player tells you: nvm
(04:19:22) You tell Player: type /unstick
(04:19:49) Player tells you: who buys hides here?
(04:21:16) Player says: Nice
(04:21:21) Player says: I'M HALF RICH
(04:21:28) Player says: WOOT
(04:21:31) Janner says: will show you smithys
(04:21:35) Player says: sure
(04:21:57) Player says: I <3 Janner
(04:22:16) Janner smiles
(04:22:40) Janner says: upstairs is fernace room
(04:23:51) Sorete asks: just a quick question, were do i go to train in the sword skill
(04:24:04) Player says: Janner?
(04:24:16) Janner says: yes
(04:24:24) Advisor: we cant tell you where sorry
(04:24:47) Player says: How do item requirements work?
(04:25:29) Janner says: if you have the reqired skill you can equip it
(04:25:36) Player says: Oh nice
(04:25:49) Player says: so I could use ANY axe
(04:25:52) Player says: if I could afford it?
(04:26:05) You tell Player: quired skill level
(04:26:20) Janner says: and the reqired skill level
(04:27:09) Janner says: try to equip them
(04:27:33) Player says: they work
(04:27:45) Janner says: you can have one in each hand
(04:28:01) Player says: Awexome
(04:28:14) Janner says: will kill rats better grins
(04:28:14) Player says: These must be child's toys to you?
(04:28:33) Janner says: no weapon is a toy
(04:29:14) Janner says: with a high skill just as deadly
(04:29:23) Player says: heheh
(04:29:39) Player says: so as long as I have at least rank 1, I can use any axe?
(04:30:02) Janner says: some speshall ones no you need a high skill
(04:30:31) Player says: thanks!
(04:30:39) Player says: lets go try em out!
(04:30:39) Janner says: special*
(04:31:23) Player says: Whoa, killtastic
(04:31:49) Janner smiles
(04:32:03) Player says: So the hides lady buys the rat hides here
(04:32:14) Player says: do I have to go back to Harnquist to sell the other bits?
(04:32:16) Janner says: yes
(04:32:35) Player says: damn
(04:32:41) Janner says: or will show you a traider out of town how buys both
(04:32:48) Player says: oooh
(04:32:51) Player says: how far away is he?
(04:32:58) Janner says: not to far
(04:33:17) Player says: alright
(04:37:03) Player says: ??
(04:37:10) Janner says: the red man whatch out for bandit he will attack
(04:38:07) Player says: Nicely done
(04:38:32) Janner says: thank you on way back watch out for the first tefu it is deadly
(04:38:41) Player says: Okay!
(04:38:56) Janner says: and they will follow if you get to close
(04:39:24) Player says: Another easy kill by Janner!
(04:40:01) Player shouts: GO JANNER!
(04:40:10) Player shouts: WOO!
(04:40:46) Player says: Thanks Janner!
(04:42:11) Player says: need to rest?
(04:42:17) You tell Player: there were i look third mound
(04:42:33) Janner says: zink mine
(04:42:55) Player says: Whats zink?
(04:43:04) Janner says: a metel
(04:43:13) Player says: good to know
(04:43:27) Janner says: tern around
(04:43:55) Player says: ?
(04:43:58) Janner says: the vally i look at iron and coal mins in there
(04:44:14) Player says: Okay
(04:44:40) Janner says: back to Oja ?Player
(04:44:45) Player says: Yessir!
(04:47:02) Player says: !
(04:47:12) Player says: That skin was worth a fortune!
(04:47:21) Janner smiles
(04:48:13) Player bows and grovels and thanks
(04:48:37) Player says: Thank you so much!
(04:48:44) Janner nods
(04:48:46) Player says: It's almost frustrating! I can't thank yo enough!
(04:48:51) Player says: Where'd you get these?
(04:49:08) Janner says: toda aver there
(04:49:32) Player says: ah
(04:49:34) Player says: thanks!
(04:49:40) Player says: Anything else good inside?
(04:49:48) Janner says: there are a few more traiders hear
(04:50:32) Player says: is that an important one?
(04:51:03) Janner says: she is yes for a questor two
(04:51:09) Player says: alright
(04:51:12) Player says: who else is there?
(04:53:01) Janner says: he is impotant for quests
(04:53:23) Janner says: he is important for quests
(04:54:01) Player says: Alright]
(04:54:26) Janner says: so is he
(04:54:54) Roleplayer tells you: stay here
(04:55:15) Janner says: stop
(04:55:22) Janner says: come back
(04:55:38) Roleplayer tells you: there is about to be a most interesting RP fight...
(04:55:57) You tell Roleplayer: helping a new
(04:56:05) Roleplayer tells you: :(
(04:56:11) Roleplayer tells you: let him watch
(04:56:34) Roleplayer tells you: will be good experience for RP
(04:56:35) Player says: good skills he has
(04:56:40) Player says: is that all?
(04:56:45) You tell Player: a role play is about to start we should watch back by tents
(04:57:18) Janner says: cook in back room for buy sell food
(04:58:09) Roleplayer tells you: can you hear?
(04:58:10) Player tells you: Roleplay?
IN TELLS
(21:12:59) Player tells you: do you know about the Mac right click problem?
(21:13:15) Player tells you: ...or a work around?
(21:13:40) You tell Player: dubble click does some for other things look in ?icon for typing commands
(21:15:13) Player tells you: I tried to use the furnace but could not get a slot because no right click
(21:15:43) Player tells you: I think I've tried everything from key modifiers to shortcuts
(21:16:08) You tell Player: did you try click on it type /use
(21:18:43) Player tells you: yes
(21:19:21) Player tells you: the problem is, you cannot select it, cannot because you need right click to select the furnace
(21:20:10) You tell Player: what does dubble click do ?
(21:21:08) Player tells you: double clicked my finger raw :) does not work
(21:21:42) You tell Player: on way into town be there soon
(21:36:09) You tell Player: i am serching mac section on forums for a answer fingers crossed
(21:36:31) Player tells you: I've searched there too - not much success or hope
(21:42:52) You tell Player: try this open options mouse were it says contextmenu SET click and save. try click on fernace
(21:45:33) You tell Player: if it worked your normal click shuld be a right click
(21:46:42) Player tells you: hey, I think it worked this time
(21:46:56) Player tells you: I'm sure I tried that one already doh
(21:47:31) You tell Player: tell your friend glad to help
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Happy birthday Janner - 50 today !!!!
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Happy birthday Janner - 50 today !!!!
:woot: you made it to 50!!!
Happy Birthday and may your birthday wishes come true! :love:
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Does anyone read the rather long posts in this thread? I get through a few sentences and can't be bothered with the rest.
Happy Birthday, Janner.
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:thumbup: Thank you.
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Phinehas, you cruel sneaky monster.
Happy Birthday Janner.
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I hope you had a great birthday Janner.
Happy 50th!
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Happy Birthday, Janner, my friend! May your next 50 years be as full of adventures, stories, and altruism as the last 50!
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I leave you with 2 quotes, both of which apply 100% to the inimitable Janner:
"I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way." ;)
-- Mark Twain
... and ...
"An idealist is a person who helps other people to be prosperous."
-- Henry Ford
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Congratulations on your promotion Svuun to Judge, you are more than capable of doing the Job.
A big thank you to Dmiles in sorting out the guild forums.
Added repair weapon to tips.
Still a big mystery why we have suddenly got popular and guests signing in the forum.
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Congrats Svuun on the promotion!! \\o//
and as for the popularity..come on Janner..we all know It's you!! ;D
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Congratultions Svuun! You are very deserving of your promotion.
Well if its because of you Janner, you are keeping me awful busy on the forums!
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I didnt even read it because it was 8 or 9 sentances. What you need are ranks. Rank description, goals, a history, a website, forums. Lol just read the last part. No ranks? So everyone is a lvl one with nothing unusual while following 4 rules doing nothing but leading people to the sewers..good luck with this, but I doubt you will get far this way.
Sounds nice and all but...You should switch the name :D Sounds like its just yours
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No planes to change it, the guild like it and so it stays, get to know a member and you will soon learn it stands for doing things your way not my way.
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Well I can vouch for Janner, as I am a member in his guild. I think you only looked at the face value of the name. By all means it is not even close to being a guild that is all about Janner. Perhaps you should get to know us better before you make assumptions. One of the main ideas the guild stands on is being individuals and no one is forced to follow any others way. In fact we are encouraged to follow our own way.
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But you have to admit that the idea of a guild about following your own path that's named after a single person's path is going to raise eyebrows.
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But you have to admit that the idea of a guild about following your own path that's named after a single person's path is going to raise eyebrows.
Ofcourse, I totally agree with you. However, if you read more into us you will see otherwise.
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Understood, but why have a guild named something that it really isn't?
edit: I'd just like to report that I just had an experience RPing in-game with a couple members of this guild, and they're not good.
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Understood, but why have a guild named something that it really isn't?
edit: I'd just like to report that I just had an experience RPing in-game with a couple members of this guild, and they're not good.
Well thank you kind sir, From you I take that as a complement, as you are my role model, in a quick and speedy decision is needed, you out do us all, let me see, yes indeed I uttered BUT THREE small miner sentences, yet the great master of the blue circle flame have me paged, I bow to you sir, cast a mild freeze spell.
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Indeed. But you automatically assumed that your mild freeze spell would defeat my magic? I understand that you had no way of knowing the power of my magic, so it's not foolish to assume that a simple spell would put it out, even though that was incorrect. However, what bothered me was that you said that it did defeat the magic, instead of letting me decide whether a spell that was already described as weak should be able to defeat my magic or not. Now, if you were a new player I would not jump to conclusions, and I would be a lot more forgiving, but you're not. You're a guild leader and you've been around for a while. You should know better. As for Svuun, well she did much worse than you.
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Me bows and points out I did not put out the flame but cast a mild freeze on Svuun, to cool her down, so he how jumps fist is to quick to Judge.
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Ah. In that case it was my mistake, as far as concerns you. Svuun, however, said she'd been freed, so I was assuming that that was what you meant. In any case, my main peeve is her, not you.
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Phinehas, I admit I made some mistakes (i.e. time of day and gender), but it was RP that wasn't going anywhere. Casting fire around me and then leaving me to one of two options, that is to submit or be burned is terrible role play. You need to think farther ahead and maybe give me more choices. Honestly did you think I was going to just submit, being of stubborn demeanor? or /die after a few sentences uttered by your angry character? That was and would continue to be BORING and not to mention very abrupt. My purpose there was to serve drinks, listen to rumors of purported violence, and make sure the Tavern was doing good business. It was very unnatural to be engulfed in flames after engaging in a pompous character.
I don't mind your character to be arrogant, I think its cool really because that personality offers a better more realistic clash of personality. But you didn't leave room to further it, you just forced the situation to your liking as being a powerful wizard that wil lhave others succumb to your will. That's coercive RP and is bad form and a terrible experience for others around you. And it wreaks of illusions of grandeur.
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Janner bows excepted, as for Janners Way. I do things my Way, members do things There Way.
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But perhaps insulting people who don't take your fancy is not the best act for a bartender? What, you expect a wizard who has known the actual owner of the tavern and who is fairly well known to be extremely powerful to just sit there while you call him names? That is highly unrealistic. I admit I may have made my mistakes, but you most certainly did as well. Frankly, you didn't want to back down, but in reality there are few people, even stubborn ones, who will not back down after being surrounded by a curtain of flames. Yes, Phinehas is powerful, that doesn't mean that playing anyone powerful is bad RP. However, if you aren't/can't RP a powerful person, then please don't act like you don't care a smidgin for threats. Perhaps the swirling fire was too much, but really, your bad RP led to it as much as, if not more than, mine. How realistic is it that your character would continue to insult someone who can control fire? I'm not saying that you would worship at his feet, but even a stubborn person would give him some grudging respect, even if they really hated his guts.
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Any bartender wouldn't take a liking to someone that brings their own drinks into a bar, medieval or not, they would get kicked out. IC, I was worrying about business and was sticking up for the tavern. I wasn't insulting you personally.
But about the RP, I dont think you were thinking ahead much really. So a powerful wizard engulfs me in flames, then another wizard dampens the spell, then you strengthen the spell once more, and it gets dampened yet again.. you can see this is infinitely regressive. Or I could have just cast a spell that formed and reformed a layer of rock on my skin and made the spell impotent and that would have ended the spell right there. Instead of doing that I carried on.. but to what avail?
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So what, you're all powerful wizards now? Fantastic. As for the dampening and strengthening, Janner stated that he was simply cooling you off, not dampening my spell, therefore I could have easily retracted the flames further and killed you. I didn't want it to come to that, but I'm going to be true to Phinehas' character even if it means killing an insulting bartender who thinks that just because she's a bartender it means that she somehow is a matriarch of the tavern.
And although you may have thought you were defending the tavern, you were also insulting me personally. Several people pointed out that you were being rude. Also, I mentioned that I didn't bring my own drink, but Kada allows me to keep my wines stored at the tavern. As for why you decided to reject what I told you about my friendship with Kada, I'll grant that you didn't get a chance to give me your reasons. I'm not defending my RP here, I know it wasn't a particularly good one on my part, but I don't think that I was the sole factor by any means in that mess. In fact, if you'd listen to Zhai and Farren, none of it would have happened at all.
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/me thinks Phinehas is full of self importance.
If I was Kada El and I found out that Phinehas had been using magic as a weapon in my tavern and against my staff, I would ask him to remove his wines from my cellar and never come back!
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For one, I actually knew Kada El, which I'm guessing is more than any of you can say. For two, I was hired as bookkeeper of the tavern. For three, she respected me, and we were friends.
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For one, I actually knew Kada El, which I'm guessing is more than any of you can say. For two, I was hired as bookkeeper of the tavern. For three, she respected me, and we were friends.
Perhaps you should have shown some respect back to her and took your disagreement out of the tavern. Casting fire in the tavern could have caused some very harmful damage to the beloved place. I hope if any more disagreements happen, (which hopefully doesn't occur again) they will be handled in a more applicable manner.
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Try not to mix OOC and IC so completely. OOC I agree that Phinehas was out of line casting magic in the tavern. It's what I view as poor RP that bothers me. So try not to chastise IC actions in an OOC way.
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>:( I am extremely upset at the death of two of my members at the hands of the outlaws, so I sent a note to them via a town guard, after waiting 2 days for a reply, I delivered to them the bodies of two of there members, as a warning to leave my members in peace, IF this warning is not headed I will go to war.
This is not a thing I have taken lightly, as we will be heavily out numbered on are own, witch they very well know, SO my terms for war will be, both leaders accept all declarations of war, from any guild, for the duration of the fighting.
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>:( I am extremely upset at the death of two of my members at the hands of the outlaws, so I sent a note to them via a town guard, after waiting 2 days for a reply, I delivered to them the bodies of two of there members, as a warning to leave my members in peace, IF this warning is not headed I will go to war.
This is not a thing I have taken lightly, as we will be heavily out numbered on are own, witch they very well know, SO my terms for war will be, both leaders except all declarations of war, from any guild, for the duration of the fighting.
What happened janner? Do you know which outlaws killed them?
I hope the outlaws wouldn't do this on purpose because they have enough problems to deal with.
~~Datruth
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BIG grin one of the ones I dumped at there door.
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True i killled Svuun but i was being verbally attacked by 5 of you and yes you may of wounded me but you had to drink potions to do it. [thats all IC]
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True i killled Svuun but i was being verbally attacked by 5 of you and yes you may of wounded me but you had to drink potions to do it. [thats all IC]
Would expect no less from a outlaw, you would not no the truth if your life depended on it.
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We are outlaws we dont listen to rules, especially from people we do not like.
In a fight to the death is the one occasion were i would adhere to the rules stated but would you Sir Janner?
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We are outlaws we dont listen to rules, especially from people we do not like.
In a fight to the death is the one occasion were i would adhere to the rules stated but would you Sir Janner?
I did, and you lost. even using your beloved daggers. *smiles* the 1 I referred to of killing my two members, was not you.
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I did, and you lost. even using your beloved daggers. *smiles* the 1 I referred to of killing my two members, was not you.
Ahh then id like to buy that outlaw a drink.
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Then look in YOUR guild thread for the name.
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O--) A very Marry Christmas and a happy new year to all from me and Janner.
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:( Janners way is no more as of midnight GMT.
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:( Janners way is no more as of midnight GMT.
why not??? [not that i have seen you in a while]
where are you going?
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No more as of midnight, but none less tommorow! Have heart!
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:( Janners way is no more as of midnight GMT.
why not??? [not that i have seen you in a while]
where are you going?
I am not going anywhere, I am still hear, I have been very busy in RL, so I have not had much time to play the game.
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It's unfortunate that Janners Way will not be continuing from this point on. Part of the end is my fault. I was rarely on Planeshift for quite a while, and I can understand it isn't very fun being in a guild all on your own. I guess the other members all lost interest or was too busy to play also. Hopefully we can all remember the good times we had together as members of Janners Way.
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:thumbup:
The odd Janner can still be seen in game, so still hanging in there, almost 5 years now.
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By "the odd Janner" are you referring to yourself?
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By "the odd Janner" are you referring to yourself?
Me myself and I, it and her and him, nope no yourself in guild ^^
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I won't hesitate to greet any member of the new "Janners Way", and will always thank them for raising me in the first years. If you don't want to join any other guild, consider to join them.