PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Snobaste on August 05, 2005, 12:49:32 am
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Before the whipe my sis had a character named Katt Saphira. Now she cant use that name because it says it\'s been banned. Why?
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Did you check the Character Naming Policy in the Newbie Section?
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Someone might have got to the name before her, then did something to get it banned
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This happened to me: I had the name ramlambmoo trasferred from MB to CB. Once I was in CB I had my name changed because ramlambmoo wasnt rp, and the GM banned the name so no one would create another person called that. Now that the database is wiped, I couldnt create a character called ramlambmoo to claim my tria and ring, because the name stayed on the ban list. I just had to ask a GM to take the name off the ban list, and then change my name again once i\'d created the character. Put a petition in or Find a GM to do it for you in game.
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Well ramlambmoo is a stupid name :P
Personally i think the name Katt is fine, but it was up to the person that banned it.
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maybe to similar to cat... for a fenki... I am wondering too fireofsoul...
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Actually I met Katte in game, they said their name was Katt and that name was banned. I thought the naming policy was more likely than someone else taking it and getting it banned.
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Saphira is a name used in the book \"Eragon\" its against the naming policy
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hmm think that nitpicking personally but OK up to the devs to make the rules ;)
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Originally posted by forgoodorforevil
Saphira is a name used in the book \"Eragon\" its against the naming policy
And Cyrus was a Persian Emperor several thousand years ago. Besides the word is just an easy to make alteration of the word Saphire.
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I think that most names that we can think of might have been used somewhere before. I dont really think names such as Katt Saphira should be a problem while there is still names like Conan and Supaboy beeing used.
I say ban such names first, then they might get nitpicky on us.
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Originally posted by SeiDaneic
I think that most names that we can think of might have been used somewhere before. I dont really think names such as Katt Saphira should be a problem while there is still names like Conan and Supaboy beeing used.
I say ban such names first, then they might get nitpicky on us.
The \"enforcement\" of the naming rules has been reduced to next to nothing recently. It was somewhat decent before, but is no more. This is why now names that would have been insta-banned before (and rightfully so) are now left alone. Still, there is no reason to make it worse by clearing the banlist. Instead, the proper enfocement must be reinstalled so that the few GMs who actually care are allowed to do their job again!
And yes, an Enki named Katt is... not good.
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i wondered how long it\'d take for you to comment seytra :P
anyone thats unsure of their name read the naming policy, and remember now matter how slack of strict the rules are, it still needs personal judgement, that and we reserve the right to do it.
I dont think cat Katt Katte etc is suitable for the name of an Enkidukai, its a pun, puns are silly, and silly names are not alowed :)
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Kat equals Katherine, for god\'s sake, whats the big deal? My biology teacher is named kat and you dont see the U.S. government coming and ripping up her birth certificate. Geesh this seems rather dicriminatory to me. Just because some GM doesnt like a name doesnt mean he/she should be able to take it from someone who does. seems kind of tyrannical and fascist to me. But if planeshift doesnt care about a bunch of Name Nazis walking around, then whatever.
I realize that we dont want a bunch of SuperHottie19\'s or Goku56\'s walking around and certainly not any aragorns or legolases, but dont you think katt is a tad too extreme.
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@ Demarthl: If I don\'t, some people might get the impression that there are no arguments against it, or that it\'s somehow acceptable.
Originally posted by Gentar
Kat equals Katherine, for god\'s sake, whats the big deal? My biology teacher is named kat and you dont see the U.S. government coming and ripping up her birth certificate.
This is of absolutely no value. The US govenment would most likely not mind if you were called \"Superoxor\" or \"Hoomahn\" (The human equivalent of \"Katt\" for Enkis). RL is dumb, but people using RL dumbness to justify abuse of PS are even worse. :tdown:
BTW, if your cat was called \"Katt\", who would not consider you quite uncreative?
Originally posted by Gentar
Geesh this seems rather dicriminatory to me. Just because some GM doesnt like a name doesnt mean he/she should be able to take it from someone who does. seems kind of tyrannical and fascist to me. But if planeshift doesnt care about a bunch of Name Nazis walking around, then whatever.
Here we go again. This is not going to work. Cell it (or me) nazi and fascist all you like, I\'m not going to back down just so you don\'t call me that anymore. I\'ve been called that a lot of times already, and I don\'t care.
Originally posted by Gentar
I realize that we dont want a bunch of SuperHottie19\'s or Goku56\'s walking around and certainly not any aragorns or legolases, but dont you think katt is a tad too extreme.
Demarthl couldn\'t have said it better: whether intended or not, it is a pun, and thus it is ridiculing the game which isn\'t acceptable.
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there are certain names that are indeed used in novels however some ar common place even then
acceptable name
-cyrus
-(names from the DnD player\'s handbook [my fav])
-somewhat commonplace names, that yea maybe a character in a book had it, but its not that obstrusive
-etc.
unnacceptable
-drizzt
-drizzit
-drist
-morpheus
-Neo
-(anything from a damn anime!)
-unique names that really only one person EVER has used
Katt is very disputable, and there would be no debate if the character wasn\'t an enki.
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I agree. Just because a name is a pun, does not mean it was intended that way. And say it is, does it matter?
I am much more worried about the noob-speak (\"OMG LOLZOR\") people and the ones that use profanities or send messages (\"IHate Enkis\") in their names. I am also worried by people who copy other well-known fiction names in full (\"Harry Potter\"). Puns and other little things like that don\'t bother me at all. Maybe that character\'s parents had a sense of humor, or perhaps it was unintended. If the name is a)not hurting someone else and b)can be considered a RP name, then I think it\'s fine. \"Katt Saphira\" isn\'t doing any damage to anyone and can be considered IC with or without the pun intended.
I do believe that the GMs should have the right to enforce the naming policy. However, I appeal to the GMs: if you are given back this power, please do not be over-zealous in your enforcement. The purpose of the naming policy is to make playing Planeshift more enjoyable by maintaining a nice community environment and upholding standards of good role-playing. So please, keep this in mind when renaming people.
EDIT: @Seytra: Naming an Enki \"Katt\" is not \"ridiculing the game.\" The name is only considered a pun because you choose to consider it so. While outside references (\"McDonalds\") can spoil the atmosphere, I think you\'re taking it too far by decrying all puns. Obvious, intentional, message-names are bad, but puns?
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One pun may not do harm. Maybe not to you. But it will set an example. People will see it and think \"Hey, this is funny, I can be funny, too! Let\'s name an Ylian... erm... Hoomahn! Yeah, I\'m cool too now!\" And soon we will have quite a noticable amount of this sort of \"funny\" things around. And now it does damage. Why must everything become a serious problem before action is taken? Why can\'t things be prevented right from the beginning if it is absolutley clear that without prevention, they will grow into a major pain?
Edit: @ Chaos: Intentional or not doesn\'t matter. It must not matter, because otherwise every want-to-be funny person will simply claim \"It wasn\'t intended\" and get away with that. This is why IRL the same excuse doesn\'t work in court.
Edit2: Oh, and obviously I am not the only one who immediately associated Katt with \"Cat\". So maybe some people won\'t get the pun, but most will, thus it is ridiculing.
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@Seytra: I\'m not saying that no one will realize that the name is a pun. All I am saying is this:
You have two choices, 1. Consider the name to be a pun and a mockery of the game, ruining your entire PS experience forever (ok, exaggeration, but you get the idea), or 2. Consider the name to be a RP name that happens to be a pun which you can overlook for the sake of RP.
I would understand your complaint if it were something ridiculous, but \"Katt?\" Coincidentally, I don\'t think there\'s anything wrong with your Ylian example either. If the player is serious about RPing, I don\'t think that name is a problem (this is where intent comes in ;) ).
As for your \"gateway to other funny names\" argument, I am skeptical that even you believe that the name \"Katt\" on an Enkidukai will convince other people to make funny names. If they\'re stupid enough to want to make funny names, they won\'t get the pun in the first place. If they\'re smart and malicious, they won\'t need any help making bad names.
P.S. If it\'s unintentional in court, then the sentence is reduced or the charges are dismissed, depending on the crime.
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Hmm if she would actually be willing to call herself Kate, ...
but Katt, hmm seems pretty much like Cat, if she was an elf or something it would not be that bad, because there wouldn\'t be a direct referrence to her race, but I would change it too.
@Gentar: About Name Narzism, ..., I don\'t want to be a jerk but the line between Good/Bad name has to be somewhere...
Hope my \"Cyl\"\'s okay, it actually is meant to be a number (the 5 for those who didnt read my story, and there it is pretty much explained why) so I made it short, but still made it up(Made it short because you wont call your numbers like \"apadorazikunazom\" or sth..).
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The \"overlook it\" argument again? Why does one have to endure that someone else decides they need to be \"funny\"? Its just like people talking in a cinema.
Furthermore, I maintain that I fail to see how someone can be serious about RP if they cannot even make a decent name.
And I\'m not surprised that you don\'t see anything wrong with the Hoomahn.
Yes, this case is pretty much a border case, and yes, this particular one isn\'t the worst there can be. But fact is that a lot of people who might have thought about being \"funny\" but decided against it will take this as invitation or indication of acceptance. Yes, there are people who don\'t need an invitation, but does this mean that we need to hand out invitations now?
Hmm, you\'re right about the charges. It will probably up the charges if you intended to be negligent, or make manslaughter murder.
Still, if it indeed was meant to be \"Katherine\", why not make it Katherine instead of insisting on something that is questionable?
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@Seytra:
The only ones saying the name is funny are those that dislike it. Sounds like a paradox right? I personally don\'t find it funny at all. I\'m not being forced to \"endure\" anything. You\'re only \"enduring\" the horrible name because you choose to see it as an attempt to make a joke. Try looking at it as just a name. It\'s not that hard to get past the pun. Go RP with Katt and then tell me that the name ruined your RPing.
Furthermore, your argument about not having a decent name meaning they can\'t RP is invalid for two reasons. First, the argument is about whether or not the name is decent, so assuming that it isn\'t defeats the purpose. Second, just because someone is bad at picking a name does not make them a bad role-player.
Again, your \"gateway\" argument is weak. People don\'t think about being funny, decide not to, and then go ahead once they see someone else do it. And again, will these people even realize that someone\'s being funny (intentionally or not)?
And finally, maybe it wasn\'t meant to be Katherine, maybe it was, but either way, consider that perhaps this person likes that name; maybe they have a story around it; maybe there\'s some sentimental value, but perhaps they just like it. I see no reason to prevent someone from picking the name of his/her choice as long as it doesn\'t affect the community\'s enjoyment of the game. And as far as a pun goes, I don\'t it think it does.
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Ok everyone want to talk about IN GAME right. Well whats wrong with Katt or Cat for that matter. In game in RP none of us know what a cat is anyway. I am an Enki not a cat. How does the name Katt hurt RP in any way. It doesn\'t. This is getting to a weird point for me because I love this game. I too do not wish to see people with names that have nothing to do with a RP world but lets chill for a minute.
I am far beyond losing patients with the obviously thin skin of people in this game world. Ease up please.
Aranis
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mikewsnc, the flaw in your argument becomes painfully obvious if you replace \"Cat\" by \"computer\". Noone ingame knows what a computer is, yet it is unacceptable.
The reason being that the player does the assiciation, not the character. It is the players immersin being ruined, not the characters. I don\'t know what is so hard to grasp about this.
@ Cha0s: I did not say it is funny. In fact, I find it quite lame. Nevertheless, it is obviously designed to be a pun, and thus \"funny\". And making puns is ridiculing whatever is made a pun on.
And if you never got an idea from someone else doing something, or if you never were unsure whether something was acceptable and decided by what you saw others do, then I wonder where you live. And yes, these people will be able to get the pun.
Also, the argument may only be invalid in border cases. In all others, it is pretty good. The name is the most basic yet most permanent part of RP. A decent RPer will realize this and take great care at picking one.
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@Seytra:
Interesting... You just brought intent into it and you were saying it has nothing to do with this... You said that the name was \"designed\" (intended) to be a pun. You\'re the one who sees it as ridicule. The other person, as I\'ve been saying, may just like the name. And don\'t tell me that someone might just like the name \"Computer,\" as that is taking it to an extreme. We\'re discussing the borderline cases.
Regarding your next argument, it is true that people do look to those around them to establish what is acceptable behavior and what isn\'t. However, I don\'t think people will think, \"Hey, look there\'s a pun in that guy\'s name. I should make a character with a pun in it\'s name so I can ridicule the game.\" Honestly, they may see that it is ok to use puns, but I doubt they\'ll try to use it maliciously. If they do something really terrible, then the GMs can stop it. So far, however, I have seen no example of a really terrible pun that really ruins the fantasy environment.
As for your comment about the name-argument being valid in other cases... We\'re not talking about other cases. We\'re talking about border cases. I\'m not going to argue the obvious ones; there\'s no point, I agree there. I\'m just saying that the border case (puns) people can be good RPers.
P.S. The most basic, yet most permanent part of RP is the character, not the name. The name is simply a small subset of this, and while it is important that the name be unique and well-thought out, a good character can make up for a bad name (to some extent), whereas the reverse is not true at all.
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Originally posted by Cha0s
Interesting... You just brought intent into it and you were saying it has nothing to do with this... You said that the name was \"designed\" (intended) to be a pun.
It has been your argument of saying that since it wasn\'t intended it was acceptable. My argument has always been that intent isn\'t important. Yes, by saying \"designed\" I implied intent, and yes, I think that it indeed was intentional, but still intent isn\'t important.
Originally posted by Cha0s
You\'re the one who sees it as ridicule. The other person, as I\'ve been saying, may just like the name. And don\'t tell me that someone might just like the name \"Computer,\" as that is taking it to an extreme. We\'re discussing the borderline cases.
I always hear the argument of people liking certain names, or always using them, etc.. However, these arguments have no value whatsoever, because different contexts mean different rules on what is OK and what isn\'t.
No, I wasn\'t going to say that one might like the name \"Computer\". However, people would argue they do in order to get to keep it. However, that wasn\'t what this example was supposed to show, it was supposed to counter the \"It doesn\'t exist in PS\" argument, which I think it does nicely.
Originally posted by Cha0s
Regarding your next argument, it is true that people do look to those around them to establish what is acceptable behavior and what isn\'t. However, I don\'t think people will think, \"Hey, look there\'s a pun in that guy\'s name. I should make a character with a pun in it\'s name so I can ridicule the game.\" Honestly, they may see that it is ok to use puns, but I doubt they\'ll try to use it maliciously.
Precisely. People might get the idea that it is OK to do it while it isn\'t. And you know that one can get into a mood that lets make you a new char for the sole purpose of being \"funny\" if you think it would be acceptable.
Originally posted by Cha0s
If they do something really terrible, then the GMs can stop it. So far, however, I have seen no example of a really terrible pun that really ruins the fantasy environment.
Every pun detracts from it a bit. As I said, one or two don\'t do real harm, but lots do. Like ants. Which is why they must not be allowed to stay, even in little quantities.
Originally posted by Cha0s
P.S. The most basic, yet most permanent part of RP is the character, not the name. The name is simply a small subset of this, and while it is important that the name be unique and well-thought out, a good character can make up for a bad name (to some extent), whereas the reverse is not true at all.
No, it is not. The character of a character can and often does change over time. The name stays the same. Also, the character of a character will, contrary to a name, not be noticable on all occasions. The char name is an RPer\'s visitor\'s card.
The only way a decent RPer can make a bad name is being unintentionally misguided and misinformed. The presence of a randomiser makes uncreativity inexcusable.
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Ok lets have a look....
\"Lesitune, Sares, Naniari, Noir, Tkarr, Janner, Murdy, Yaren, Axe, Seavereth, Lila, Bludgeon, Tayah, Fanchion, Benican, Gholmyrr, Kiall, Auroe, Laath, Ganinos, Adaribe, Xerba, Gentrom, Bodacher, Reemay, Gressen, Akbar, Huli, Rikiki, Julian, Constrabus, Krull, Justeclair, Noxide, Cvirus, Anoria, Assassimon, Devorn, Mugey, Ayshe, Crimsonsky, Gellelile, Ralas, Mudd, Shane, Waemaiy, Balendilin, Miurirey, Wigenele, Aesry, Shinzo, Thorin, Ogu, Urza, Savkiller, Verrliit, Drool, Sbf, Blaze, Uthavar, Thorn, Tusika, Heroro, Lindrae, Valhalla, Degomon, Nemacil, Kingzter, Heydulf, Marcus, Lneptunes, Rafail, Yvus, Niklas, Evest, Mslug, Shamey, Helda, Arris, Morthis, Moorlocke, Invaginius, Tarel, Darkwing, Proteous, Epyonite, Kephira, Orenorie, Aranis, Melazyboy, Ariem, Gwen, Cacorere, Varel, Cad, Tar, Erutuf, Vespa, Zerafin, Lordbug, Relun, \"
there are many names there i would change before katt.
oh lets count the names
1:Axe
2:Assassimon
3:Crimsonsky
4:Mudd
5:Savkiller
6:Sbf
7:Heroro
8:Kingzter
9:Mslug
10: Darkwing
11:Melazyboy
Now all these names in some way could be argueed against. Not saying I would but they could be stripped of there names. (some should be) but all these names are worse than Katt.
Aranis
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Wait...
You all are having a discussion as to whether or not the name Katt, Katt, is acceptable?
That\'s just...I don\'t...gah
It just seems so incredibly stupid, I can\'t even think of a counter-argument.
Seytra, you would really compare the name \"Computer\" with that of \"Katt Saphira\"? That\'s simply the most ridiculous thing I\'ve ever heard, if you can\'t see in shades of gray, there\'s zero point in trying to change your mind about it.
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Originally posted by Kiern
Seytra, you would really compare the name \"Computer\" with that of \"Katt Saphira\"? That\'s simply the most ridiculous thing I\'ve ever heard, if you can\'t see in shades of gray, there\'s zero point in trying to change your mind about it.
Hello? Care to read the entire thing? The sole purpose of \"Computer\" being here was to counter the argument that things that don\'t exist in PS are OK as names. Nothing else. :rolleyes:
I think I have made it more than clear that Katt is by far less bad as Computer.
As for the names mikewsnc posted: Who says that I would not change these?
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Originally posted by Seytra
Hello? Care to read the entire thing? The sole purpose of \"Computer\" being here was to counter the argument that things that don\'t exist in PS are OK as names.
You can\'t counter an argument with an over-the-top example.
It\'s why the argument \"If everyone else jumped off a bridge, would you?\" doesn\'t work.
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@Seytra:
\"Puns are ok in small quantities since they only detract a little bit, but when you have a lot of them it adds up to being really bad, and if you allow a few then more people will follow those few and so you\'ll have lot, which is really bad.\"
That\'s approximately what you\'re saying. My question remains, why do the puns detract? It\'s only because you choose to think of them as puns and ridicule. If you just take them as names, then that\'s all they are: names. (And please don\'t go and tell me that you can do the same with things like \"Harry Potter.\" Those sorts of things have real-world connotations; puns are just, literally, a play on words).
P.S. Names can change too. They don\'t matter much, though. And yes, character can change, but the essence of the character is always there, always the same. Without a core character concept with room for evolution of course, RP with a given person is pointless for more than one session.
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Katt is a short form of Kathrine much as John is a short form of Johnathon. In order to plasably deny one you would have to deny the other (no Thazer this is not an attack on you;just makeing a point)
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Originally posted by Demarthl
i wondered how long it\'d take for you to comment seytra :P
anyone thats unsure of their name read the naming policy, and remember now matter how slack of strict the rules are, it still needs personal judgement, that and we reserve the right to do it.
I dont think cat Katt Katte etc is suitable for the name of an Enkidukai, its a pun, puns are silly, and silly names are not alowed :)
What pun is that? To me \'Katt\' sounds like a name like any other but perhaps I simply don\'t know that pun.
Greetings,
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Yes, I know a person that goes by katt in real life... I do not see what is wrong with that name at all... and I would also want to know why my name is banned because Orndorff is part of my REAL name
EDIT: the reason my name is what it was is because i read the thing about how any non-rp and unoriginal names would be banned so i used my real last name and I made up trolls so it would be original... and what do I get? a banned name... I am really confused
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Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
Yes, I know a person that goes by katt in real life... I do not see what is wrong with that name at all... and I would also want to know why my name is banned because Orndorff is part of my REAL name
You all seem to be determined to simply not get it...
RL has nothing, and I mean nothing, to do with PS. Why? Because PS is not RL, and it is in many respects so different that things that are unobtrusive IRL become dumb in PS. Like Katt. It does not matter if IRL you are called Katt, or everyone was. The point is that once a cat in PS is called Katt, this is just dumb.
Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
EDIT: the reason my name is what it was is because i read the thing about how any non-rp and unoriginal names would be banned so i used my real last name and I made up trolls so it would be original... and what do I get? a banned name... I am really confused
Where did you get the idea that calling yourself like some very well known creature could even be remotely considered original?
Seriously, this is a guarantee to end up with a banned name. It\'s obvious.
@ Kiern: If the argument is \"Things that are not in PS are OK because they don\'t exist in PS from an IC point of view\", which is the case here, then the computer example is perfectly valid and not over the top at all.
@ Cha0s: If you say that a pun is a play of words, how can you then say that it is not to be thought of as one? If a name is an insult, am I not to think of it as one, too?
Yes, names can in very specific situations change. However, this sort of change is by far less common than a radical change in character.
@ Hatchnet: Noone is denying that Katt is short for Katherine. The only problem is that it also is a different way to spell \"Cat\", which is bad when an Enki is called that.
@ jorrit: I have very well noticed that the devs seem to have quite some troubles in taking measures people are at least informed that names are not free-for-all. The little popup on char creation is, at best, a sad joke, and the most basic teachings of interface design (like having important things like help and utility buttons not blend into the background, and to provide meaningful defaults in all cases) are still being completely ignored. How hard would it have been to have the name field have a random name in it by default? It could still be changed by the user if they want to, just so that people who don\'t care much or have few time will not have to worry about that.
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this game sucks im leaving... i may come back but most likely not...
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*waves*
the idea is good, the follow through is good to, jsut hard sometimes to see it as such
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the game is honestly good, but the naming policy is stuipd. i understand not being able to use phrases but the rest is rediculous...
Were not allowed to use real names since PS has nothing to do with RL so we have to make up a name that makes good rp that Could be used as real names... but cant be a real name... that makes no sense
Also we can\'t use fary tale/fiction names in a fiction game which makes no sense either... so all we can do is pretty much type some random letters in that sound good together...
THAT is why I am leaving...
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My personal opinion (which does NOT have to represent the opinion of the dev team in general) is that there must indeed be a kind of naming policy (which focuses on role playing) and that this naming policy should be enforced pretty strictly. But I wouldn\'t go as far as actually banning names that are simply \'funny\'. Names like \'Katt\' don\'t hurt anyone. They are not offensive. The only problem with them is that they might distract slightly from the role playing experience but I feel that that is not sufficiently bad to warrant a name ban. The distraction will not last that long.
Also being \'funny\' doesn\'t actually have to be bad as well. After all who says \'funny\' isn\'t a valid way to roleplay? Not everything has to be serious all the time. Fantasy and humour can go hand in hand if done in good taste.
I would most certain ban names that are clearly offensive or are very far removed from role playing (like \'Nerd\', \'Computer\', \'StupidGobble\' and things like that).
Greetings,
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Originally posted by Seytra
RL has nothing, and I mean nothing, to do with PS. Why? Because PS is not RL, and it is in many respects so different that things that are unobtrusive IRL become dumb in PS. Like Katt. It does not matter if IRL you are called Katt, or everyone was. The point is that once a cat in PS is called Katt, this is just dumb.
I would like you to read that first sentence you wrote and then re-evaluate your argument.
The basis you are making is that in real life, there are animals called cats. You just said that RL has nothing to do with PS. WIth that thinking, you have just validated the name Katt as a valid name for PS. Since the in game cat creature has similar characteristics to a real life animal, you say that a person cannot be named Katt but you also say that real life has nothing to do with RL. So which is it?
Personally, I believe that a proper name enforcement can be a good thing. I don\'t play the matrix online after it got out of beta testing since I don\'t feel liek dealing with the 20,000 Neo variations. But you are taking it a little too far. I will ask you what you think of my name, Baron Perrine. I see nothing wrong with as that is my name I use for everything, it is what people know me by all over the web. It is indeed my real name.
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I would apply the \"in dubio pro reo\" principle. There is a certain accepted justice in that.
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Originally posted by jorrit
My personal opinion (which does NOT have to represent the opinion of the dev team in general) is that there must indeed be a kind of naming policy (which focuses on role playing) and that this naming policy should be enforced pretty strictly. But I wouldn\'t go as far as actually banning names that are simply \'funny\'. Names like \'Katt\' don\'t hurt anyone. They are not offensive. The only problem with them is that they might distract slightly from the role playing experience but I feel that that is not sufficiently bad to warrant a name ban. The distraction will not last that long.
Also being \'funny\' doesn\'t actually have to be bad as well. After all who says \'funny\' isn\'t a valid way to roleplay? Not everything has to be serious all the time. Fantasy and humour can go hand in hand if done in good taste.
I would most certain ban names that are clearly offensive or are very far removed from role playing (like \'Nerd\', \'Computer\', \'StupidGobble\' and things like that).
Greetings,
Aye, I understand, but what I want to know is why we can\'t use fiction names or our real names? ... and if we CAN then I want to know why my name is banned\"
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This is just silly. Coming from a country where a cat is spelled \"kat\", I didn\'t see Katt as a pun. It\'s a name, short for Kattarina (spelling may vary), but some people are actually named the short version. Just like my brother is named Mike and not Michael. Everything can be seen as breaking a rule if you try to, and to me it looks like this is what\'s happening here. Some people WANT to see katt as a pun, where as the rest of us don\'t see anything special about it until it gets pointed out by those who WANT to.
And I have to agree that the \"it doesn\'t matter that it\'s a valid name IRL, because IRL is irrelevant, but it\'s a bad name because it reminds too much of an animal IRL, which is relevant even though that animal does not exist in PS\" is silly. It\'s not a cat named Katt, it\'s an Enkidukai named Katt.
It seems there are big differences between GMs, some like to be nazi, others give the benefit of the doubt. In the beginning I had a name that obviously broke the rules, to the degree that I\'ve had people /tell\'ing me \"Hey, I liked that movie\", and the most I got was Moogie telling me that she had wondered about if my name came from that movie when I posted on the forum that I knew it was against the rules, asking if I would have to change it. Even then, it didn\'t get changed until I asked for it to be changed.
Coming up with a good name is really hard, either it\'s against some rule, it sounds just like another name or a word, it sounds silly, or it just doesn\'t fit the character. I\'m trying myself at the moment, because the one I got it changed to isn\'t really what I wanted afterall. It took a long time to decide on that name, and I\'m not happy with it.
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Originally posted by tbvp
Originally posted by Seytra
RL has nothing, and I mean nothing, to do with PS. Why? Because PS is not RL, and it is in many respects so different that things that are unobtrusive IRL become dumb in PS. Like Katt. It does not matter if IRL you are called Katt, or everyone was. The point is that once a cat in PS is called Katt, this is just dumb.
I would like you to read that first sentence you wrote and then re-evaluate your argument.
The basis you are making is that in real life, there are animals called cats. You just said that RL has nothing to do with PS. WIth that thinking, you have just validated the name Katt as a valid name for PS. Since the in game cat creature has similar characteristics to a real life animal, you say that a person cannot be named Katt but you also say that real life has nothing to do with RL. So which is it?
If you would have bothered to actually read the thread you wouldn\'t be the third person on this thread trying to pull this flawed argument on me. Even Leeloo, who finds it silly, at least phrased it correctly.
Originally posted by tbvp
I will ask you what you think of my name, Baron Perrine. I see nothing wrong with as that is my name I use for everything, it is what people know me by all over the web. It is indeed my real name.
1) There is no point in stating that you use the name everywhere. Every place is different, and a name has to be chosen to reflect that. You will get away with that in IRC, but not in PS.
2) It does also not matter if it is your real name. RL doesn\'t have a decent naming policy, and I\'m perfectly sure there already are people called \"Computer\" IRL.
3) As for your name: it is obviously bad, because it is a title, not a name. Perrine is fine AFAICS, but Baron is not. This case is as clear as can be.
@ Leeloo: And you are saying that Enkis are not extremely similar to cats, then?
Oh, and I completely disagree. Finding a name is not hard at all. I use a different name for each and every character that I create, and also for each and every game I play when a name is to be chosen, and all dependant on the settings. But I don\'t even expect everyone to be able to do that, I just expect everyone to be able to see when a name isn\'t appropriate. If you must, have a randomiser create a pool of names for different occasions for you. :rolleyes:
Edit: Oh, but all of you friends of dumb names can rejoice: I have seen Katt Saphira ingame, so she found out which GMs don\'t care about decent names. :tdown:
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Originally posted by Seytra
@ Leeloo: And you are saying that Enkis are not extremely similar to cats, then?
IC: What cats? :P
OOC: Cats walk on the keyboard, needs to be let outside, you can carry them around easily. Enkidukais never even heard of a keyboard, they can go outside by themselves, and would be way too heavy to carry anywhere. They may LOOK a bit similar, if you ignore the fact that they wear clothes, carry mugs or weapons and are supposed to be much bigger.
If you must, have a randomiser create a pool of names for different occasions for you. :rolleyes:
I have yet found a random name generator that can come up with a name that fits the character and doesn\'t sound silly.
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Originally posted by Leeloo
OOC: Cats walk on the keyboard, needs to be let outside, you can carry them around easily. Enkidukais never even heard of a keyboard, they can go outside by themselves, and would be way too heavy to carry anywhere. They may LOOK a bit similar, if you ignore the fact that they wear clothes, carry mugs or weapons and are supposed to be much bigger.
Seytra isn\'t against the name Katt on it\'s own, but against it linking Cats with Enkidukais. And that is supposed to be a bad thing because actually Enkidukais are based on Cats. Isn\'t that paradox?
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I have posted before on this subject and there is a simple way around it make the random name generator on the creation page compulsory and if you want a different name you have to petition a GM (not pester incessantly like last night) and the GM\'s could discuss name requests on #planeshift or elsewhere to ensure a uniform approach.
Of course this would stop character migration with tria/items being carried over so I don\'t expect it to be implemented and would also mean more work for the GM\'s.
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Random name generators come up with silly names that reminds of Mr. Mxyzptlk. There\'s no way they can come up with a name that fits the char, except by pure luck.
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You haven\'t tried the one on the creation page then cos thats where mine came from and it wasn\'t the first either and no random jumble of letters appeared :)
* Google found http://gfhiryuu.tripod.com/random/names-index.html
no Mr. Mxyzptlk there or anything similar :)
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I would like to take this time to go a tad off topic, but not so that it takes away from our current discussion.
I would like to thank everyone for keeping this civilized and not resort to random name calling like I have witnessed many time before when testers don\'t agree on certain things.
I have taken part in many testing peroids for new games over the last many years and I must say that this community is one of the best I have had the privilage of working with. Even though many of you disagree on the current naming standards, you have all stated your opinions in a friendly way so as to keep a nice atmosphere while we dicuss it. It has been awhile since I met such a similar community. From my experience, I have seen that when people act the way you all do know when there are disagreements, the game itself is made better much faster and easier on the developement team as to oposed to having a hostile community.
And back to the topic at hand.
@Seytra
I see your points, and I do recognize them as being a valid view. I also to believe that there needs better enforcement of the naming conventions used in PS. I jst don\'t agree with you on some of the mor borderline examples that have come up. As for my name, I never really made the connection to the title Baron you speak of and my name, as it is pronounced Bear-own. My family was from Hungry, hence the name. Sorry about my bad english btw. After reading the stuck post about character naming, I do see that my first name is in violation of the title rule, so if it is changed, then that\'s fine by me. (Not like I really have a chioce in the matter any, right?)
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Originally posted by Seytra
\"Hoomahn\" (The human equivalent of \"Katt\" for Enkis).
Wouldn\'t that be Man or Manny short for Manfred or Manuel
:)
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Saphira is a name used in the book \"Eragon\" its against the naming policy
Saphira isn\'t just the name of the Dragon... it\'s also a mineral... so it\'s ok.
Before the whipe my sis had a character named Katt Saphira. Now she cant use that name because it says it\'s been banned. Why?
Think it wasn\'t banned... the char names were reserved, maybe she couldn\'t make her char with that name because of a bug... some people couldn\'t make their chars bacause their names were reserved... but they should be albe to take them...
maybe to similar to cat... for a fenki... I am wondering too fireofsoul...
lol now that you say that it does look like cat, but I\'m fine with and actually like it :D
*only read 1st posts, so if I\'m repeating anything you\'re allowed to bap me :P :D
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Originally posted by lanser
You haven\'t tried the one on the creation page then cos thats where mine came from and it wasn\'t the first either and no random jumble of letters appeared :)
* Google found http://gfhiryuu.tripod.com/random/names-index.html
no Mr. Mxyzptlk there or anything similar :)
Oh yeah? How about \"Vuthisesse\"? I\'m afraid to try pronouncing it, I might never get my tongue untagled afterwards.
And even the pronouncable ones still don\'t fit my char. How can it, there\'s no way to tell it what kind of char it has to fit. Now, I don\'t want a demorian female named like a klingon warrior, personally I think it ruins it much more than an enkidukai named Katt.
And only allowing names from that random name generator wouldn\'t help a thing either. It just suggested \"Burger\". Who knows how many tries it would take to get an entire Happy Meal?
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Aye, Yesterday I gave in and started to make a new character and used the built in name generator for a Klyros and guess what i got for a name... (I was laughing when i saw this) red Blues hahahahaha.... im dead serious but then it wouldnt let me create the char cuz i had an \"invalid race\" so wtvr
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My main reason for suggesting the random generator being the default is to stop the Neo\'s and the Destiny\'s Warriors and other completely ooc names as I said in the rest of the post if you were completely unhappy with the name generation ask for a change but keep in character.
As an aside I personally have no objections to Katt for an enki or Leeloo copyright issues aside. And I have no problem pronouncing \"Vuthisesse\" you just break it down, do have a problem with Burger though makes me want to choke :)
*typos
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No offense to the majority...but....there are some pathetic arguements, especially the one about relating cats to Endikudikais (or whatever it is) It so obviously a cat-like creature!
Jeez!
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Originally posted by Pyros
No offense to the majority...but....there are some pathetic arguements, especially the one about relating cats to Endikudikais (or whatever it is) It so obviously a cat-like creature!
Right you are, sir, but you obviously do not get the point of that argument. The point was that Katt should not be banned because he said mine was a \"sure-to-be-banned\" name because it has my RL name in it and he said that PS has nothing to do with RL which is why that argument was even brought up. if PS has nothing to do with RL then Katt can be used because cats dont exist in PS ... only in RL
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Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
The point was that Katt should not be banned because he said mine was a \"sure-to-be-banned\" name because it has my RL name in it and he said that PS has nothing to do with RL which is why that argument was even brought up. if PS has nothing to do with RL then Katt can be used because cats dont exist in PS ... only in RL
I am apalled to see that this obviously intentionally narrow-minded argument is still being used. :(
Look, it\'s really simple AFAICS, and since there is no doubt that Katt is and will stay allowed, we can all relax and quit ignoring logic now.
My chain of reason is this:
PS is not RL, and supposed not to have RL in it.
Katt sounds like the RL cat.
Enkis are modeled / inspired by RL cats, there is no doubt about this.
Who plays PS is an RL being, not a PS char
The RL being knows RL and therefore sees the relation / does the association: catlike creature, called Katt = pun on RL cat / reference to RL cat, thus RL is being dragged into PS
Being an RL being, the RL being cannot remove RL knowledge; the only thing it can do is to not aply / express it ingame
The non-applying / non-expression helps to not notify others of RL, but the original RL being 1) must do extra work ignoring it and 2) will still be reminded of it
The RL being\'s immersion is reduced, as is the percieved seriousness
The fact that PS is being played by RL beings is why the argument \"since PS is not RL, RL things cannot hurt immersion\" is invalid.
But frankly, I\'m sick of repeating myself over and over, and I see absolutely no way to more clearly express this in yet another way, so this will be my last post on this subject. So all of you who intentionally misunderstand / ignore this consider yourselves the winners.
As for your RL name: \"Orndorff\" most likely was banned because of Paul Orndorff \"Mr Wonderful\", a famous wrestler. Affixing the name of a quite well-known and generic fantasy creature, \"Trolls\" to it, does in no way help make it less reminiscent of that. In fact, it makes it even worse by adding to it the even more widely known and thus even less acceptable reference to said fantasy creature.
As for \"Vuthisesse\", I really don\'t see anything wrong with that name. It is perfectly pronouncible, though it sounds like a title or job description. Thus, I would simply shorten it to \"Vuthise\" and be done with it.
Also, the mandatory naming generator is an option, because you can re-randomise as often as you like, and also ask a GM for a change. However, I have heard of the randomiser suggesting something ridiculous as Red Blues or Burger. Of \"Laughe Medid\", IIRC, the \"Laughe\" was done by the randomiser. Still, had this happened to me, I would simply have re-randomised, as everyone should have, instead of completing the ridicule (Laugh me did = I laughed).
Also, having the randomiser put a random name into the name field, as I also have suggested several times already, would help all the people who input a generic / lame name because they don\'t really care and / or don\'t want / can\'t come up with an own creation. It would not stop anyone who can make up a decent name replacing the random one by that.
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Originally posted by Lordbug
Saphira is a name used in the book \"Eragon\" its against the naming policy
Saphira isn\'t just the name of the Dragon... it\'s also a mineral... so it\'s ok.
This is a bad line of argumentation. Just because something also has an interpretation that does not violate the rules, it cannot be considered OK if it has one or more interpretations that do. Take \"gay\", for example. This word surely has a meaning that is not in violation of the rules (happy / colorful). By your argumentation, this would suffice to make it acceptable (since \"Frisky\" is also allowed).
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Look im not going to post anything long or detailed but this is what it should come down to.
Gm\'s have a resposability of keeping the enviroment of the game rp. If it means changing names then they should go ahead and do so. But, changing a name like Eiffle or Katt is just overboard if you ask me. Seeing somone named eiffle of katt would not effect the rp experiance at all. Gms are supposed to show players a good time and show them around. Not abuse their powers. (no offense to anyone I mention) But, what about people like kixie, kiern, ice falcon, depthblade, etc. If a gm sees them in game will they change their names. The answer is most probably no because they have been here a while. The Gms are taking advantege of newer players and its just not fair. If gms keep changing everyones names people begin to leave ps just because of bad gms. And thats the truth. Weather you GMs like it or not you have the \"power\" to make or break ps. And if you\'re gonna be an ass just resign your position.
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Originally posted by Efflixi Aduro
But, what about people like kixie, kiern, ice falcon, depthblade, etc. If a gm sees them in game will they change their names. The answer is most probably no because they have been here a while.
This is precisely why decent enforcement has to begin immediately: it will become increasingly harder to change the \"established\" bad names. And no, there must not be any differentiation between older and newer players, ever. Everyone must be treated equally, I completely agree. Anything else would be bigotry, and thus remove all credibility from PS.
Kixie: I don\'t see a problem, but I may just not know it
Kiern: same as Kixie
Icefalcon: should be changed
Depthblade: same as Icefalcon
And a whole bunch of other oldbie and GM names should be changed as well. I have been pleasantly surprised by some who actually did. :tup:
And Efflixi: they are not \"being an arse\". Thei\'re doing their job. And I sincerely hope that you now have a decent ingame name...
And it\'s \"Eiffel\", and everyone knows the steel construct...
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I have a serious question that confuses me...in your opinion (Seytra or those like-minded) why are \"titles\" not considered RP names?
It seems perfectly resonable to me that there are tribal-like people in Yliakum, and who therefore would have been given titles that they use instead of their names. I know, it\'s not the name they were originally given, but if it is what they\'re called shouldn\'t that just be their name?
While I see the point on \"Katt\", whether or not if it is a bad one, I just don\'t see a reasonable argument against titles.
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Originally posted by Kiern
I have a serious question that confuses me...in your opinion (Seytra or those like-minded) why are \"titles\" not considered RP names?
It seems perfectly resonable to me that there are tribal-like people in Yliakum, and who therefore would have been given titles that they use instead of their names. I know, it\'s not the name they\'re given, but if it is what they\'re called shouldn\'t that just be their name?
While I see the point on \"Katt\", whether or not if it is a bad one, I just don\'t see a reasonable argument against titles.
You answered your own question in saying:
Originally posted by Kiern
I know, it\'s not the name they\'re given
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Originally posted by Kiern
but if it is what they\'re called shouldn\'t that just be their name?
That would be a nickname. I agree that there could be a nickname system ingame. My idea for that would be that:
You can enter a nickname, which would go by comparatively lax, though still existant, naming rules. This nickname, however, would not show over your head unless you \"/introduce nickname\" to a person. After all, this is exactly like IRL.
Everyone could have a selection of displaying
Names, nicknames and guild
Names and nicknames only
Nicknames and guild only
Nicknames only
Nothing
They could also choose to have the nicknames appear in the buddy list (possibly (per choice) with the real name in parenthesis behind the nickname) and to use them as /tell qualifier. They should also be filtered by the bearer\'s chat filter to show up in a different color.
The nicknames would not have to be unique, and only the ones that are introduced to a char will show and be usable in /tells. It could be possible to allow multiple (4) nicknames per char.
Handling multiple identical nicknames would have to be done using the tab autocompletion to show the possible (nick)names that match, as usual, and one would then have to supply the real name to use it. A bit tedious, but otherwise nicknames would have to be unique, which is unrealistic and unnecessary for nicks (names must be unique to prevent imposters and to have the /tell feature work easily), and also they would have to reach into the real name namespace.
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/me looks up
okay this is another silly discussion going nowhere
those against, summarise your points
those for, summarise your points
one last post each, then leave it as adults, maturely
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Originally posted by Seytra
That would be a nickname. I agree that there could be a nickname system ingame.
Very interesting (and good) points. But, lacking a nickname system as we do and with no guarantee it is even being considered, is it really so harmful to RP that it is worth banning (and upsetting) people\'s names because of it?
I agree with all of your points, but don\'t think it is so important as to take the risk of chasing away a lot of people.
Demarthl, you\'re not a moderator no matter how much you want to be one, quit pretending like you are. Off-topic posts are considered spam, and I don\'t think you discuss Banned Names anywhere in your post.
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cry me a river kiern, then go drown in it :)
all i\'m trying to do is get you gas mouths to finisdh up a dead topic already, and i dont need to speak about banned names i deal with them enough