PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Pestilence on August 15, 2005, 03:34:20 am
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A discussion about how people act around these boards. I have said before I didn\'t feel these boards to be as accepting as they could/should be. A lost of people are getting bashed without much reason besides thinking something the other doesn\'t like.
Some here seem to have an opinion of how things are supposed to be and can\'t accept if someone else doesn\'t feel the same way or even isn\'t sure it\'s supposed to be that way.
I personally like to ask everyone to please give people a chance. Just becuase they don\'t look on what PS will be in the end or what PS is at the moment doesn\'t make their opinion less worthy then your own.
Listen to what someone has to say and please try to find the good in what the other is saying. Even if this is hard sometimes. And mods and GMs please give the right example by showing this to other and to moderate the posts clearly ment to bash someone without really listening.
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I think the problem is people who are too emotionally attached to the board and what people say on it.
Originally posted by Pestilence
GMs please give the right example by showing this to other and to moderate the posts clearly ment to bash someone without really listening.
Once more, GMs have no power on the forums.
Thanks for the lecture, though. Come here and give me a hug.
Sorry...I can only go to extremes.
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You can\'t get rid of cynicism, sarcasm, or jesting arrogance, without often getting rid of someone\'s personality ;) I think a board of happy-go-lucky-all-smiles posts and threads is the stuff of nightmares. If someone can\'t take a little light-hearted poking to their ego, they\'re in need of a stronger backbone. I can understand people pouncing on each other during a heated debate over a heated issue (names, anyone?), but that is to be expected. Otherwise, I can\'t say that these forums are in a bad situation, minus the influx of repeated threads of repeated newbie questions and suggestions. What I\'ve seen more often were older members of the forums complaining that today the standards for behavior are too strict.
I think you need to lighten up, personally, Pestilence ;) It\'s good to remind everyone that red horns should not be exposed at all times, but it\'s unrealistic to ask everyone to grow angel wings.
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Originally posted by Karyuu
I think a board of happy-go-lucky-all-smiles posts and threads is the stuff of nightmares...
Wow - sucks to be you. But I\'ll add a wink and it\'ll make you feel better ;)
Originally posted by Karyuu
...I think you need to lighten up, personally, Pestilence ;) ... angel wings.
Then again - this might be what he\'s talk\'n about.
I agree with Pestilence - this board isn\'t as friendly as others I\'ve used.
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Originally posted by Jonalber
Wow - sucks to be you. But I\'ll add a wink and it\'ll make you feel better ;)
Aw, baby, for me? You shouldn\'t have. I\'m so flattered! You know what, I feel like I should return the favor. Catch!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/karyuu/kaoani/Rockon.gif)
Then again - this might be what he\'s talk\'n about.
I highly doubt such a thread will change anyone\'s behavior :P
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Originally posted by Karyuu
I highly doubt such a thread will change anyone\'s behavior :P
What are you saying?!? I\'m a changed man.
How shall I serve thee, mastah? Your thanks is not needed here. Please, walk all over me. No no, leave the heels on.
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(http://www.blueoceans.ca/andrew/ps/pony.jpg)
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Guys, im sure what Pestilence is trying to imply here is that people are just not \"as\" friendly as on other forums. Basically, the people here on PS have a set mind on what kind of game they want it to be. Mostly everyone but the noobies want it to be pure RPing and some want a bit more action and this and that. IMO, im completly with Pestilence because if people dont like the other comments or threads, they could be a tad nicer and hold their shit back. I mean seriously, people saying... oh well thats not Rping.. or oh, thats too boring and i just want it in the game for other reasons besides Rping. Thats just plain stupid.
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Karyuu, acraig, it\'s nice to see the band back together. :D
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guess that means i should appear momentarily
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First, Acraig: that\'s rockin\' :)
Originally posted by Externals
I mean seriously, people saying... oh well thats not Rping.. or oh, thats too boring and i just want it in the game for other reasons besides Rping. Thats just plain stupid.
If I understood your post correctly, you\'re complaining against the going-RP-all-the-way-because-it-comes-first mentality. Well guess what, that\'s the way it should be and hopefully will be. Because RP is indeed the number one priority, so everything else needs to come later. If you\'re here for other reasons, heck, you\'re free to enjoy everything Planeshift has to offer. No one is going to kick you out if you\'re not being disruptive. But the main purpose of PS is roleplay, so if you\'re doing something else... You catch my drift ;)
No further argument needed, I believe.
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i wasnt inquireing anything else. We can leave it at that. :P
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First off, I think perhaps you should just lighten up a bit. People enjoy having discussions. Certaintly when I compare these forums to other forums where I \"discuss\" things, the people here would have to be some of the most mature and sensible ones I\'ve come across. Of course, there are always people who act stupid and start things like flame wars etc, but they\'re not going to change because of a topic like this. Pretty much all most people can do is concentrate on their own behavior and try to influence people by their own maturity.
Some here seem to have an opinion of how things are supposed to be and can\'t accept if someone else doesn\'t feel the same way or even isn\'t sure it\'s supposed to be that way.
Yes, well alot of people are like that in real life too. I dont see any feasible way to change peoples behavior in regard to that.
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Don\'t get me wrong.
I don\'t mind a good discussion. I have been known to engage in discusions myself and can be pretty brutal when I am, but I think there is a difference between a discusion as to a bashing.
If it\'s 10 to one it\'s no longer a discussion if the 1 is also a newbie. Also a discussion means that people listen to eachother and try to respect the others opinion. Does this mean lay down and take a beating? No but it doesn\'t mean you have to start one either. Ofcourse defend yourself, but I think everyone here knows I\'m not talking about posts where people defend themselves.
As I said I think one should look for the good in ones post instead of the bad. And perhaps not all GMs are moderators here, but I do feel if they accept such a role their role should be one of example.
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Originally posted by Karyuu
You can\'t get rid of cynicism, sarcasm, or jesting arrogance, without often getting rid of someone\'s personality ;) I think a board of happy-go-lucky-all-smiles posts and threads is the stuff of nightmares. If someone can\'t take a little light-hearted poking to their ego, they\'re in need of a stronger backbone. I can understand people pouncing on each other during a heated debate over a heated issue (names, anyone?), but that is to be expected. Otherwise, I can\'t say that these forums are in a bad situation, minus the influx of repeated threads of repeated newbie questions and suggestions. What I\'ve seen more often were older members of the forums complaining that today the standards for behavior are too strict.
I think you need to lighten up, personally, Pestilence ;) It\'s good to remind everyone that red horns should not be exposed at all times, but it\'s unrealistic to ask everyone to grow angel wings.
I think you\'re missing it. People on these boards go out of their way to flame eachother over nothing. We\'re not talking about heated debates. We\'re talking about people being insulting for no reason at all.
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No reason at all? I highly doubt that. If you could please point me to an undeleted post that included \"flaming\" for no reason at all, I would appreciate it. Common (valid) reasons include frustration over seeing the same thread topic pop up a billion million times, PLing, and misunderstanding of the PlaneShift goal, among others. I think in such cases people have every right to give a bap on the head of the \"offender.\"
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To be serious for a moment...
Originally posted by Pestilence
If it\'s 10 to one it\'s no longer a discussion if the 1 is also a newbie.
I do have to agree with this, but I haven\'t seen any of it recently? I remember this used to happen all the time to the point of being ridiculous (back with seperot and company), but haven\'t noticed anything too bad now (some guild threads seemed to be getting there, though). Then again, I don\'t read many posts.
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Originally posted by Karyuu
No reason at all? I highly doubt that. If you could please point me to an undeleted post that included \"flaming\" for no reason at all, I would appreciate it. Common (valid) reasons include frustration over seeing the same thread topic pop up a billion million times, PLing, and misunderstanding of the PlaneShift goal, among others. I think in such cases people have every right to give a bap on the head of the \"offender.\"
http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=18337&boardid=13&styleid=3&sid=940ea204c61f8bf2180ad3d0a3359209&page=3
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I have different forum settings, so the link doesn\'t load as it would for you. Perhaps mention the specific post(s)? The thread seems to be a heated discussion, not a flamefest, to me.
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hmm disagree with thaat. In that thread people keep saying \"stop whining becuase there is a wipe it\'s only a test\".
Now I don\'t mind that much if you think that but if the same people want a wipe becuase of \"cheaters\". It\'s clear they want the wipe for GAME reasons and not becuase it would interfere with the \"Test\".
People aren\'t listening to what the other says. It seems to be irrelevant. They just throw \"It\'s only a test\" around like they didn\'t just say they wanted a wipe becuase it\'s not fun without and it\'s a crime to think without one it could be fun aswell or it isn\'t needed for fun reasons..
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I don\'t see how it\'s hypocritic. Getting rid of cheaters or bugged accounts is part of the testing phase of the game. They go hand in hand. Why is it so bad to want the wipe for both bug fixes and getting rid of those who have used exploits? Perhaps I have misunderstood?
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The problem here is that it\'s
A. not cheating if it\'s only a test. I mean how can it be if it\'s not a game?
B. It\'s the job of testers to find exploits and see how far it is bugged.
C. For testing reasons it would only be better to have people at different levels as fast as you can so you know even sooner where the bugs are at the higher levels.
So why have people character wiped when it\'s obvious noone has even come near maxing things like sword or axe? The only reason I can think of is that it wouldn\'t be fair to the ones who played fair, but thats a game reason, not a testreason.
And if you say I want a wipe becuase \"game reason here\"
And someone else says I think it would only ruin the fun if you do.
You can\'t say \"you can\'t nag becuase it\'s a test\", becuase the wipe so far as I have heared has nothing to do with \"testing\"
Then you are just ignoring someone becuase you don\'t want to hear it and then there is no discussion.
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Originally posted by Pestilence
The problem here is that it\'s
A. not cheating if it\'s only a test. I mean how can it be if it\'s not a game?
One cannot be blamed for finding an exploit, but one can be blamed for continued use of it. How many people do you honestly think use exploits for \"testing\" purposes once they are discovered and shared? It\'s utter nonsense. There is a whole page (http://www.planeshift.it/player_cheating.html) of the PlaneShift website dedicated to cheating; defining, explaining, warning. It\'s ridiculous to say that there are no such things as cheats within a game of testing stage. The crystal-hunting fiasco in MB is enough proof that it exists and must be taken care of.
B. It\'s the job of testers to find exploits and see how far it is bugged.
And once an exploit is made known to the devs, is it the job of the \"testers\" to continue using it? Exploits are bugs - accounts that use exploits are bugged, and characters that progress using exploited resources are useless for testing purposes (referring to using exploits to test maxes and high numbers) because exploits often change things that shouldn\'t have been changed, or gained, normally. It is the normal process of progression that is important.
C. For testing reasons it would only be better to have people at different levels as fast as you can so you know even sooner where the bugs are at the higher levels.
And exploits are the way to approach this? I can\'t believe you think that this is a valid point. I\'m not even going to touch this.
So why have people character wiped when it\'s obvious noone has even come near maxing things like sword or axe?
And you know this personally and with 100% certainty that no one tested the maxing of all skills? Please.
You can\'t say \"you can\'t nag becuase it\'s a test\", becuase the wipe so far as I have heared has nothing to do with \"testing\"
You obviously have not read a single post about the wipe from members of the dev team.
Then you are just ignoring someone becuase you don\'t want to hear it and then there is no discussion.
What I am noticing so far is ignorance on your part, Pestilence. Pardon me for being blunt.
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@ Pestilence: Yes, this sort of thing is happening often in the more heated discussions. However, it most definitely is not always newbies being smashed like that. In fact, newbies are quite often doing the exact same thing. Someone may be a newbie to this board, but they most likely will have been on other boards before.
What I would not have believed but have witnessed on that thread is that zanzibar indeed is targetedly bashing the DC, while his very own behaviour is even worse. PL IMNSHO is not nearly as bad as cheating or exploiting bugs.
Anyway, back on topic: I agree that there is a tendency to ignore points that one doesn\'t agree with, which leads to endless revulsions of them being stated and re-stated and ignored instead of countered, unlike a real discussion.
As for the wipe: I have seen so many people massively and methodically exploit bugs and flaws, even long-time players, it\'s just sad and distressing.
Yes, it is only a test, and RPers like myself can easily get distracted from this fact because RP is mainly independant from the feature state of the game. However, the fact remains that cheating / exploiting is 1) clearly prohibited on the main site and 2) indecent behaviour. Whether it does harm ATM or not from a technical POV is totally besides the point. What does matter is that, as has been stated on the wipe thread somewhere, a condoning of this behaviour will send out the message \"Come to PS for all your cheating / PL needs!\". Therefore, even if technically it doesn\'t really matter, it does matter psychologically. It will, by word of mouth, spread, and serious RPers who might have heard the official statement about PS being about RP will be disappointed and not give PS a try because what they see is yet another MMO\"RP\"G that claims to be about RP but in reality couldn\'t care less. Heck, ocasionally it evel looks that way to me.
Thus, if we do not strictly enforce decent behaviour, then this will attract the wrong playerbase. And it is this playerbase that will shape the future development of PS. In two ways, actually:
1) The wishlist. While seemingly unimportant, it is a mirror of the playerbase, and what it\'s intentions are. Even if the wishes are not implemented as wished for, the general direction the wishlist moves in most certainly will, over time, influence the devs in their decisionmaking. Even if Talad remains serious about RP, he can only do so much if the remaining devs are slowly being dragged away from that. And it is easy to change peoples minds if they have no really set opinion on things. And it is my impression that many devs don\'t have one about the RP focus of PS.
2) The future devs will be recruited mostly from the playerbase. If we have a PLing and cheating playerbase, then we will get devs like that in the end. And in this case, PS will be a failed attempt.
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What I am noticing so far is ignorance on your part, Pestilence. Pardon me for being blunt.
hmmm calling names now are we? Or atleast trying to hit where it hurts?
Just becuase I don\'t agree with you I am ignorant?
I don\'t feel this wipe is done for testing reasons no. Does this make me ignorant? I think not It\'s my opinion. One obviously you can\'t respect.
I have read the posts from the devs. I still feel it\'s not one done for testing reasons. And as I said I don\'t mind it not being for testing reasons. Just admit it if it is and don\'t pretent it\'s testing reasons.
There is a whole page of the PlaneShift website dedicated to cheating; defining, explaining, warning.
Indeed rules to make the game fun. Or are you saying they just put those up for a test?
because exploits often change things that shouldn\'t have been changed, or gained, normally. It is the normal process of progression that is important.
hmm and the devs aren\'t smart enough to see the difference? And there aren\'t enough people left to see if their development is right? Anyhow what things changed anyhow? Only thing I have seen people use that changed thing were the axes and those were legit. The rest was only money. Thats faster but nothing changed to \"change things that shouldn\'t \"
And exploits are the way to approach this?
No ofcourse not, but if it\'s really just a test it shouldn\'t matter enough for a wipe either. As I said the only thing gained is money. And the falchions gotten from the rats are nothing compared to the axes you could get legit.
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Originally posted by Pestilence
No ofcourse not, but if it\'s really just a test it shouldn\'t matter enough for a wipe either. As I said the only thing gained is money. And the falchions gotten from the rats are nothing compared to the axes you could get legit.
Well, I have neither a gold falchion nor an uber axe. Well, obviously not, because I do not cheat / exploit. However, occasionally I can\'t help but wonder how some things are classified as \"legit\".
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It\'s legit if you checked with a GM if it is and he says it is. That\'s what I did this time anyhow. According to the GM I spoke with the devs put the axedropping in intentionally. As to the rats being a bug.
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Originally posted by Pestilence
It\'s legit if you checked with a GM if it is and he says it is. That\'s what I did this time anyhow. According to the GM I spoke with the devs put the axedropping in intentionally. As to the rats being a bug.
Alright, if it is indeed intentional, then if you got the drop by legit means, the only thing left to wonder is to why it is implemented intentionally. I am inclined to think that it was for very closed testing (and thus the intention was not to have common players have it, making it an exploit), but then again I may be wrong.
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hmmm well could be but the axes are still being dropped as far as I know. So it\'s been days while the rats only lasted a few hours. They did change the droprate on special axes I hear so perhaps that part was a bug but not the dropping itself I think.
Anyhow think the GM would have told me aswell if I wasn\'t intended to have the axes ;)
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*takes a deep breath*
to meriner and seytra: i believe that anything involving odd looting is indeed a bug. the only reason i think this i because it was said that the devs had a new looting engine and they would be testing it out, and for this reason, there would be another wipe. they said we would be getting uber items that we should not be getting. and therefore, to even out the playing field once again, they must wipe. whether i agree or not will not be stated. but i do believe that the looting is a bug... as, you would not expect to kill a simple merc and get loot worth 900 tria.
*inhales*
now.. back to what karyuu said about the thread thing:
i know phineas (my apologies if the name is spelled wrong) is somewhat of an exception in some people\'s eyes, but to me, his comments on my guild thread were grossly uncalled far. as i have never been in any form of argument with him at all. i do not have the link, but it is under the guild\'s thread \"Swords of Ghent return\".
let me know if you think that was uncalled.. i think it was.
-Easton Ghent
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Originally posted by Easton
i know phineas (my apologies if the name is spelled wrong) is somewhat of an exception in some people\'s eyes, but to me, his comments on my guild thread were grossly uncalled far.
Phinehas tries hard to be an arrogant jerk, but in the end he is NOT actually harming anyone, and whether or not it was called for doesn\'t really matter. It\'s what he wanted to say and it is perfectly on topic, from the little bit I read.
And what the hell is this exploit stuff? It doesn\'t seem appropriate for this thread... (that wasn\'t directed at anyone in particular)
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Just a little sidetracked with a discusion between me and Karyuu there ;)
Thats what you get if you argue about the examples instead of the topic itself LOL ;)
Phinehas is an exeption in the way that he does his best to do it often, but I think the fact that people actually like him doing it says enough about the mentality on these forums.
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Originally posted by Kiern
Phinehas tries hard to be an arrogant jerk, but in the end he is NOT actually harming anyone, and whether or not it was called for doesn\'t really matter. It\'s what he wanted to say and it is perfectly on topic, from the little bit I read.
in a guild thread, there is no such scenario that i can think of in which calling someone arrogant is \"perfectly on topic\". the point of guild threads is constructive crticism, which i welcome, but i felt what phinehas said was unneccessarily negative. not to mention useless for me and my guild.
however... i do respect that after i asked him to keep it to constructive criticism he no longer posted.
-Easton Ghent
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Originally posted by Easton
in a guild thread, there is no such scenario that i can think of in which calling someone arrogant is \"perfectly on topic\". the point of guild threads is constructive crticism, which i welcome, but i felt what phinehas said was unneccessarily negative. not to mention useless for me and my guild.
You are incorrect. The purpose of the guild forum, as stated by the official description, is DISCUSSION of guilds. Therefore, since his post was part of a DISCUSSION about your guild, it is on-topic. No matter how arrogant he is in discussing it.
I find the thought that everything must be incredibly necessary just to be able to post it to be a stupid and idealistic concept, not to mention boring. But that\'s just my opinion.
Originally posted by Pestilence
but I think the fact that people actually like him doing it says enough about the mentality on these forums.
People like Phinehas? That\'s news to me. 8)
Look at that, I just needlessly bashed Phinehas. May the deterioration of the forums commence!
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I didn\'t get my axes through cheating.
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incredibly nececary hmm no but in the guild forum I do think it\'s an on-topic forum where the threads started there are a place where people introduce their guilds.
Don\'t think it\'s very civil to ruin someones introduction by being negative all the time. I mean it isn\'t like someone forced you to read it or forced you to reply.
Have to admit that it isn\'t Phinehas at his worst though.
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/me Enjoys the irony of a thread trying to get people to come togeather and make a better environment does exactly the opposite in under 24 hours...
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Originally posted by Pestilence
Don\'t think it\'s very civil to ruin someones introduction by being negative all the time. I mean it isn\'t like someone forced you to read it or forced you to reply.
Have to admit that it isn\'t Phinehas at his worst though.
Interesting. Too bad no one is arguing that it was civil.
The same could also be said about you reading his replies, no one is forcing you to read what Phinehas is saying. Just when you see his name, skip the post completely. I think thats a bad way to go about things, but if you have the \"no one forced you to reply\" mentality it works both ways. In any case, you\'re only inflating his ego by talking about him...
And I don\'t understand what you are trying to get across. Are you saying he should be banned? His posts deleted? Or is it just general whining? He\'s not going to change the way he posts, though if he were to do so there are plenty of others like him who will not.
I find it weird to be arguing for someone else on this topic. :baby:
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Why all of a sudden is this post about Phinhas? If you read my post I don\'t think you\'ll se anything there about him exept in answering Easton or you.
I was talking in general terms and don\'t believe it\'s whining. Only a cry for people to show their best side on these forums and make it a place people like to be.
Anyhow little harder to ignore someone if you started the post yourself and you are attacked personally.
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I think all of you have forgotten that we said we\'d have a second wipe after we\'ve tested out the loot generator. Whether this will just be a item wipe or another full wipe we haven\'t decided. Calling the loot problems a \'bug\' isn\'t very accurate because we haven\'t finished adding everything in yet.
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At Forum Mentality...
- I think in general that people could be nicer on the forums overall but if you think about it, being nicer would just be forcing people to keep their true emotions hidden. (Tell me if anyone understood that)
At The Second Wipe..
- Im not really for wipes but hell, if we need one and there are untested/unfair/or whatever kind of things that would cause the need for one. Then bottom line, we need it even though it may make a few people mad. (Its an alpha staged game, get over it.)
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Never said I couldn\'t take it. Just saying that people say they want it for game reasons and then you can\'t say get over it it\'s only a test.
If you use game reasons as arguments to say why you are for it I think it\'s justified if other people use gamereasons why they feel it may not be nececary
keep ones true emotions hidden? Well only like you would do in RL. You don\'t just tell everyone you don\'t like this or that about them even if it is true. I am asking for some judgement on your own part in if it really helps to say something or if it\'s just negativity with no real reason exept negativity or if you can say the same without delibaretly bashing the other.
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Originally posted by Pestilence
keep ones true emotions hidden? Well only like you would do in RL. You don\'t just tell everyone you don\'t like this or that about them even if it is true.
Why the hell not? ;)
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Originally posted by Pestilence
keep ones true emotions hidden? Well only like you would do in RL. You don\'t just tell everyone you don\'t like this or that about them even if it is true.
I don\'t like this topic, I like Karyuu and marzipan
emotions are meant to be shown, its not a sign of weakness or immaturity, if you bottle them up it messes with your head, you need to release them, or face exploding :)
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Why not? Suprised you ask. Becuase you can hurt people. As soon as emotions take a part hurting people emotionally with rash judgements and playing it one the person instead of staying on topic is very possible.
I have seen topics where it\'s obvious people are getting angry and that isn\'t the right atmosphere for a discussion.
Ever heard of tact Demarthl? Think there are plenty of ways to tell something without bringing an uber load of negativity and still not explode.
Go boxing or something if you need to release your anger don\'t use this forum for it.
PS: asumed you liked Karyuu or that would have been a very strange sig LOL ;)
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I cant stand some of the unfunny Sarcasom ;(
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Originally posted by Pestilence
Why not? Suprised you ask. Becuase you can hurt people. As soon as emotions take a part hurting people emotionally with rash judgements and playing it one the person instead of staying on topic is very possible.
I have seen topics where it\'s obvious people are getting angry and that isn\'t the right atmosphere for a discussion.
Ever heard of tact Demarthl? Think there are plenty of ways to tell something without bringing an uber load of negativity and still not explode.
Go boxing or something if you need to release your anger don\'t use this forum for it.
I mentioned nothing about anger pestilence, see thats part of the problem here, everyone is so afraid of being themselves and getting shunned out they build up this personality to go infront of them as a shield, you cant hurt it, for its not real, its witty sly and quick to stab in the dark.
you might find that if oyu be yourself, and everyone else did the same the entire community would get alkong a lot better, try it sometime
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Another problem is that the \"community\" is made up of people ranging from 10 year olds to people with kids.
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zzz... this whole thread is about forum mentality and about being nice and yet you guys just keep verbally stabbing eachother in the back. Serious wtf, I see whats going on here. Just like in real life, people have problems with each other. Thats all, you will always have issues with other people on different discussion. Freaking even with close friends you can get into really bad heated discussions which could lead to fights. Seriously, if you do keep your emotions bottled up, its even worse.
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emotions are meant to be shown,
anger is an emotion Demarthl. Not all emotions should be acted upon. :P
I am myself thats why I do care. If it was all just an act and it didn\'t hurt me at all why would I start this thread? ;)
Answer: I do care when someone is bashing me and even when it is someone else sometimes.
stabbing one in the back? ;) That would mean we trust eachother Externals ;)
And yep this isn\'t an old issue I have posted in threads before when I thought someone was being over negative. Also with Karyuu once, but didn\'t start it to taunt Karyuu or something.
I really think the forums should be more accepting and I do think the GMs should be an example in this and thats why I made the post to Karyuu before.
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Further evidence of stupidity and flaming:
http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=18630&boardid=13&styleid=3&sid=2b9d9854593ca7b1353f520f6524a888&page=1#17
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Zanzibar, your whining is getting beyond ridiculous.
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Originally posted by Kiern
Zanzibar, your whining is getting beyond ridiculous.
I do not \"whine\". Someone asked to be shown examples of unjustified rudeness and flaming, and I have supplied such an example.
Why get uppity about it? If you really think that I\'m \"whining\", then just ignore my posts. No one\'s forcing you to do anything else. :-D
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Originally posted by zanzibar
I do not \"whine\". Someone asked to be shown examples of unjustified rudeness and flaming, and I have supplied such an example.
Why get uppity about it? If you really think that I\'m \"whining\", then just ignore my posts. No one\'s forcing you to do anything else. :-D
I meant to explain, but was getting yelled at to help short people.
In any case, I was referring to most of your previous posts on this board that I\'ve read. Including the post you linked commenting \"stupidity and flaming\" of which I see neither, minor disagreements are not considered flaming. You even seem to be provoking them with your comments about their guild. This is what I consider to be whining.
And I don\'t ignore posts because I don\'t wish to miss an important point in an argument (or a bad point, which I can slap down easily).
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1. i don\'t like threads with long posts
2. i like boards where people are sarcastic and even mean at times. You hear some of the funniest insults that way
3. it takes two to tango... if you get insulted/flamed you could always laugh it off and ignore it or try to respond with an equally witty remark and start/continue the flame war.
4. i am amazed that this board functions... we have people from 13 to 43... and we get along well.. you even see 15 year old and 25 year old having intelligent discussions... i\'ve never seen that happen outside of internet.
5. this post is becoming long and i am starting to hate it
6. bye
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Originally posted by Kiern
Originally posted by zanzibar
I do not \"whine\". Someone asked to be shown examples of unjustified rudeness and flaming, and I have supplied such an example.
Why get uppity about it? If you really think that I\'m \"whining\", then just ignore my posts. No one\'s forcing you to do anything else. :-D
I meant to explain, but was getting yelled at to help short people.
In any case, I was referring to most of your previous posts on this board that I\'ve read. Including the post you linked commenting \"stupidity and flaming\" of which I see neither, minor disagreements are not considered flaming. You even seem to be provoking them with your comments about their guild. This is what I consider to be whining.
And I don\'t ignore posts because I don\'t wish to miss an important point in an argument (or a bad point, which I can slap down easily).
You have odd definitions of whining and flaming. Me thinks you are using those words out of context for the sake of effect.:)
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look at thread.
Server Discussion
could someone explain :)
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Originally posted by r.guppy
look at thread.
Server Discussion
could someone explain :)
Saw it, read it. Very dispointing behaviour.
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The forums seem to be getting better. Many of the flamers (and I mean peope who flame threads :) ) have left the boards. Now there still is plenty of idiots to go around and there is still room for improvement all the way around (basic forum goers, GMs and Mods). There are obvious problems here... but what can we do? For one, many of the newer people who are coming to this forum are nicer and usually less arogant people. This will help. But this is going to take time. The bad thing is so many good people have already left :(.