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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: verideon on August 31, 2005, 01:04:13 pm
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The price of Petrol in australia is sky rocketing. experts believe it is caused by the war in Iraq which means it\'s America\'s fault. but the price in australia at the moment has reached 1.24 for 9 litres while only being around 1.00 for 9 litres last year at this time. and deasol is reaching 1.27 for 9 litres whilst being 1.02 last year. this is only just starting to get worse. I fear it may reach 2.00 per 9 litres by the time i\'m 18 which is only another 5 years to go, I wouldn\'t be surprised if it gets more expensive
What is the price of petrol in your countries? is it as bad as us? please tell me.
If it is really bad why don\'t car companies start producing cars that use renewable energy sources or sources that can be made easily like solar energy, canola oils, things like that.
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No it\'s not the war in Iraq causeing it (thats just antiwar hype the truth is it was climeing way before that) supplys are dwindling, the big companies are stockpileing again (it drives the prices up so they can sell more of their oil at a higher price) and oil production in the Gulf of Mexico was just shut down by Hurrican Katrina.
By the way things just jumped an average of $0.25 a gallon here in my part of US and we were already at $2.49.9 a gallon.
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I live in Kansas.. and prices are supposed to go up over $3 a gallon. They were at 2.84 yesterday and are still supposed to go up another 30 cents or so. This sucks :(
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Originally posted by Valbrandr
I live in Kansas.. and prices are supposed to go up over $3 a gallon. They were at 2.84 yesterday and are still supposed to go up another 30 cents or so. This sucks :(
Ouch the bread basket... Do you guys even have any local supplies?
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OMG Im lol
the prices in France are something like more than 1? / liter
If it is really bad why don\'t car companies start producing cars that use renewable energy sources or sources that can be made easily like solar energy, canola oils, things like that.
And lost their priviledges? Really you dont understand the principle of our economy...
Of ourse they are searching for new way to use a car. And they fund it out but, for now, the todays system works well: people buy thats all that they want!
Once it will be more interesting for them, they will say \"hey! We just invent the electric H /O car!\"
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Local supplies? Do you mean like can we take a bus, train, light rail, subway or any of that stuff. For the most part no way. I live 20 miles from any city. And about 25 miles away from where I work and go to school. Most places here are too far apart and unpopulated that it would not be feasible to have anything like that :(.
PS and fken it has always been lower here.. most likely because America has quite a bit in reserves and whatnot that most of Europe does not have. And it seems when prices are down.. economy goes up because of people traveling and everything like that. Especially on holidays.. prices go way up economy goes down.. no one wants to travel and Mickey Mouse at Disney Land is a lonely man :D.
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no Valbrandr, even if the prices are a little bit lower in USA its not the real issue for us:
I dont remember exactly how much but french government has income thanks to oil: something lik 80% or 90% I cant find it again...
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As i said in another post UK prices are the equivalent of $6 a gallon, and the main reason that european petrol prices are higher is the tax our governments add to cut down usage and in theory help reduce carbon emmissions a la kyoto agreement.
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yup.. that is another part.. America did not Sign the Kyoto Protocal/agreement.. because we are too selfish basically.. we , as a nation, care more about money then the environment. But dont forget that most of Europe also has to import their oil.. which America does not have to do to the same extent ( atleast % wise).
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Originally posted by verideon
...but the price in australia at the moment has reached 1.24 for 9 litres...
I\'m sorry am i missing something? $1.24 for 9 liters? Dont you mean 1 liter for $1.24.
Anyway i worked out that US are paying around 0.84AU cents for a liter witch is still 0.40 cents cheaper then what we pay so you yankes cant complain :P
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Its about 3.90 a gallon in los angeles. I heard they may tap into alaskas oil reserves soon just so we dont go broke on oil.
I also heard somthing that if the world keeps using oil as fast as we are in about 43 years we will have sucked out all the oil. Thats actually good news if you ask me, no more pollution. :)
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Effixi, IMO we as people are mostly on for the ride and one volcano eruptions emits the same pollution as us driving around for like 100 years. Global warming is real but it is not our fault, expecially if the experts say it is to late to stop it. If we can\'t stop it then we arn\'t the problem. I just wish they would figure out WTH is the problem with hydrogen cars because they already have produced working prototypes and I wonder why they are not working or are not out yet.
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Hmm.. you have bad info. Yes, (not a knock on Bush but this is true) an government environmentalist does say that there is no proof we are the problem. But look at what has happened since the beginning of Industrialization. We are destroying the environment in which we live not to mention destroying the trees that devour CO2 and turn it to oxygen. We are disrupting the cycle in so many ways. And because of cutting down so many trees... more Carbon Dioxide is in the air which absorbs more heat. Earth slowly heats up... polar ice caps melt.. cooling the jetstream that keeps Europe with a warm climate. Low elevation areas will flood and some even suggest that with the temperature rising as it is.. that it could throw us into another ice age.
What we so is definately effecting the environment in which we live. But that is another matter all together :D
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Originally posted by Valbrandr
Hmm.. you have bad info. Yes, (not a knock on Bush but this is true) an government environmentalist does say that there is no proof we are the problem. But look at what has happened since the beginning of Industrialization. We are destroying the environment in which we live not to mention destroying the trees that devour CO2 and turn it to oxygen. We are disrupting the cycle in so many ways. And because of cutting down so many trees... more Carbon Dioxide is in the air which absorbs more heat. Earth slowly heats up... polar ice caps melt.. cooling the jetstream that keeps Europe with a warm climate. Low elevation areas will flood and some even suggest that with the temperature rising as it is.. that it could throw us into another ice age.
What we so is definately effecting the environment in which we live. But that is another matter all together :D
Or the Earth could just wobble and cause a major climate change all over the world (there is speculation that is has already)
By the way gas is a confirmed $2.75.9 here in Mindin, LA
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Yes, I am not saying that natural disasters do not effect the climate... they most definately do... but in the last 100 to 150 years we are that natural disaster.
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your worried about hte price of petrol?
go to
illwillpress.com and listen to foamy report on that hurricane
that\'s all i have to say about petrol
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Originally posted by Arklari Rereler
Effixi, IMO we as people are mostly on for the ride and one volcano eruptions emits the same pollution as us driving around for like 100 years. Global warming is real but it is not our fault, expecially if the experts say it is to late to stop it. If we can\'t stop it then we arn\'t the problem. I just wish they would figure out WTH is the problem with hydrogen cars because they already have produced working prototypes and I wonder why they are not working or are not out yet.
The problem isnt producing hydrogen cars, its mass production.
First you would need liquid hydrogen which probably costs in the 100\'s of dollars to make. The next problem would be storing liquid hydrogem. You know how cold hydrogen has to be kept to stay liquid? COLD I think its in the -200\'s.
Ow imagine that spilling on you in an accident...
Well theres your problem. I think electric cars are a better solution since theres nothing you need except an electric engine, and iv seen videos of an electric car beating a ferrari in a drag race so power is clearly no longer the issue.
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All I have to say is, I\'m extremely thankful I can walk anywhere I have to go currently.
Unfortunately, it\'s going to cost me like $60 just to drive to my parents house and back...damn you holidays.
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Originally posted by Kiern
All I have to say is, I\'m extremely thankful I can walk anywhere I have to go currently.
Unfortunately, it\'s going to cost me like $60 just to drive to my parents house and back...damn you holidays.
There and back? To my grandparents it\'ll be about $60 each way now
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Originally posted by Kiern
All I have to say is, I\'m extremely thankful I can walk anywhere I have to go currently.
No kidding. And if it\'s too far to walk, there\'s the bus, subway and train all near by. I know that\'s impossible for those who live outside of big cities though. Sorry guys. :(
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Well it\'s probably a lot more, I was just estimating because I really haven\'t used my car much since May.
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Since the hurricane the price went up to 1,34 CND $ in Montreal....
Darn compagnies that do high profit saying that we are going to miss petrol...... Yeah my eyes! If it was so critic they would mass invest in Albera for the hidden petrol and electric car.
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Katrina made our gas go up like 50 cents to about 3.19 for reg.
and they\'re producing hydrogen motorcycles. It was in last month\'s Popsci (http://www.popsci.com) or PopMech (http://www.popularmechanics.com/)
Popsci
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holy crap today all the gas stations were completely shut down after 4 p.m. in georigia! apparently b/c of the hurricane there is no power in mississipi to pump the oil from texas (where we get most of ours) to georgia.
my chemistry teachers wife called him halfway through the class to tell him about it, and we were all dismissed to go get gas. i went a fast as i could to my car and waited in line for an hour to get to the gas station and still paid $2.80 a gallon, and i saw other stations that were as high as $3.20 for the cheapest stuff they had(cheveron...)
now the entire city of carrolton (where i go to school) is out of gasoline completely as well as the entire city of douglasville, my hometown... and this weekend is labor day, and all students living in my dorm have to go home for the weekend... luckily i have a full tank now, but i won\'t have any to spare...it\'s pretty bad here right now to say the least.
just my political 2 cents, no, it is not because of the war!
i\'m happy now :D
ooooo, oh yeah, my car gets over 30mpg :D
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oild getting higher in price has very little to do with bush and iraq, but is mostly being caused by increased consumption in china, they are starting to move away from coal and use oil.
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Imagine how much a company would profit if they made a quality electric car, they would have a monopoly...
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Originally posted by JellyWerker
oild getting higher in price has very little to do with bush and iraq, but is mostly being caused by increased consumption in china, they are starting to move away from coal and use oil.
It has nothing to do with China. It has to do with OPEC and yes some to do with Iraq. If Iraq is producing so much oil before the war.. and is producing nothing now then prices will go up because of the laws of supply and demand. And other countries do not want to pick up the slack because they want to hold onto what they have. In addition, the most powerful man in the world/the president has the power to negotiate with OPEC to lower prices. If he did not have his own agenda with him trying to show that opening up Alaska is the best option.. then he would have already had them lowered.
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china has a billion people, their oil usage is huge, and their rate of import has grown over 35% in the last year, up from around 5.7 billion gallons PER DAY in 2003, and that has nothing to do with oil prices? please don\'t play stupid with me, it a simple matter of economics, more consumption = less fuel = higher prices, get it?
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Key word there Valbrandr \"Negotiate\" meaning we must give something in return for the lower prices. Maby you have some viable ideas as to what America as a nation could give up in retern? After all I\'m sure the President will listen to you despite his greater experiance in international politics.
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Look Jerry... If you have nothing to back up your claims then dont make them! which country in this world uses the most oil.. take a guess. I dont believe it is China. Nope. Ill let you keep guessing on that while I move on. Its not about total petroleum. It is about how much is being pumped out. Do you get it? If less is pumped out then the price is higher.. if more is pumped out then the prices go down. Why do you think the US keeps asking Saudi Arabia, during the Iraq war, to start pumping more per day? Yes eventually it wil come to a point where you are right.. but not at this time. Please go and take some economic classes before you come back and argue here anymore.
Edit: And what is his experience. Hey I dont like country. Forget going to the UN.. Im going to do it either way. They might could have biological weapons. This is his experience? Aaa I think I can do better.
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Originally posted by Valbrandr
Edit: And what is his experience. Hey I dont like country. Forget going to the UN.. Im going to do it either way. They might could have biological weapons. This is his experience? Aaa I think I can do better.
And what is yours? Reading Left wing propaganda? Or maby you prefer writeing it?
Or How about this Sadam was a monster and a tyrant as well as a cunning and coniveing trickster. How can you say we were wrong to remove him from power?
O and by the way the mobile weapons labs (you know the ones on the trains) were found and turned over to coalition authorities by both Pakastani and Soudi officials. However this fact was hushed up by the left wing media after the first one was reported by Pakastani officials.
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Do you know anything about history Hatch? Do you know that we put Sadam in power? Did we believe he was going to be a nice guy? I dont think so. We did it to create a balance of power in the middle east between Iraq and Iran. So he was a bad guy.. there are plenty of bad leaders. like in North Korea for example and why didnt we go there before we knew they had nukes.. because they dont have oil. So dont belive that we were doing any favors to the people of Iraq.. we do what we want for ourselves.
And no I dont read anything completely left wing. yes I watch CNN. Get alot of good info there. But you sound like a breed republican when you make statements like that. I live in Kansas.. I am feed conservative propoganda all day long. And I do research to find out what is true and what is not. I hope you do the same.
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Realy you do your reaserch? Then why did the UN chose not to enforce the treaty with Iraq? Who elected Sadam to be president of Iraq? I know my history I also know how to spot biased views when I see them. I am neither republican nor democrat. Yes I agree that Bush Junior was the wrong man for the Job but that did not make Kerry a better choice. In reality the republican party should not have let him run for reelection as he did not inherit the nessesary leadership skills of his father. They allowed a spoiled rich boy who wanted to be a leader try again after he failed. He was unable to do what should have been done from the begineing concerning both Iraq and Afganistan. What was needed was a man with training and experiance in both warfair as well as forein policies Bush Jr has neither but then again neither does John Kerry.
Honestly I can not come up with the names of men who would have been beter suited to the job at hand but regardless of this fact they exist both in politics and in the military. Hopefully Bush\'s replacement will be one of them.
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If my tale of events was baised in one way or another how so? And if you can see through bias\' then maybe you should read back over your own posts as well. But finally some truth comes out about who Bush Jr is.
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Originally posted by Valbrandr
If my tale of events was baised in one way or another how so? And if you can see through bias\' then maybe you should read back over your own posts as well. But finally some truth comes out about who Bush Jr is.
Don\'t make me quote your sarcasam
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The tight oil reserves and the skyrocketing prices of gasoline and diesel fuels are a current fact of life... irrespective of whether they have come about through inivitable shortfalls of production, rise in demand, theft by means of warfare and political intrigue or (also very likely) human greed and manipulation of the marketplace for profit.
Nevertheless, one has to balance the discomfort that people are feeling at the moment with the knowledge that we (the universal \"WE\"... as in the human race as a whole) have done this to ourselves... most especially by (A) using far more oil products than is reasonably necessary, (B) encouraging the use of oversized vehicles with engines far larger than necessary... often for banal purposes like simply going to the store or the movies, (C) over-consumption by reason of unnecessary airline flights (even when planes less than 1/3 to 1/2 full), (D) general wastage and usage for unimportant items like lawn mowers, recreational vehicles and so forth... and I suppose I could go on and on... in my mind it just generally comes down to human foolishness and selfishness... not to mention a complete unwillingness to coordinate a fair, reasonably and sustainable system for distribution of a limited and dwindling resource on a global scale.... but, please, there isn\'t much sense in my asking humankind and nation states to suddenly grow up and become adult. It just isn\'t going to happen.
The truth is we are \"addicted\" to oil products and when the supplies run low - and they ARE going to run low - you are going to go \"cold turkey\" in a way that will cause you to REALLY re-evaluate your lifestyle - where and how you live and what your life is really about.
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Heh, looks like this thread is getting uglier than the gas prices.
One can only hope that we can all re-evaluate our lifestyle. I find it a bit ironic that all of this greater good philosophy is being posted on a computer game forum. It takes a lot of power and water resources just to make one PC. Shouldn\'t we all just turn are computers off, walk to our gradmothers house and tell her that we love her? If we all stopped playing PS for a month the world would be a better place.
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petrol burns extremely nicely on a fire...
today the evening standard (a paper) was saying that prices could go up to ?1 a litre... last time i took alot of notice of the prices it was about 89-94 pence.
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Guess what the world is mostly made of; Water, and guess what lives in the water? Alegie! The water produces most of the oxygen we breathe, believe it or not.
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and your point is?
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i think he was talking about the arguement about people destroying the environment blah blah blah, and cutting down trees taking away all the oxygen...global warming and all that crap...
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ooh, i only read the title.
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Originally posted by Taurenthefirst
i think he was talking about the arguement about people destroying the environment blah blah blah, and cutting down trees taking away all the oxygen...global warming and all that crap...
strange way to report a very important fact...
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Originally posted by Arklari Rereler
Guess what the world is mostly made of; Water, and guess what lives in the water? Alegie! The water produces most of the oxygen we breathe, believe it or not.
I guess that is a little true. But what takes the Carbon Dioxide out of the air and makes oxygen out of it? A big part of that.. more than your algae, is done by the massive.. well what were massive rain forests. The higher the CO2 levels the hotter it will get. And with out so many trees there will be a high % of CO2 in the air making the climate warmer.
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someone should do the math and figure out for real which one makes more O2, algae or trees, i\'m sure it would be plausible with some basic chemistry and some facts about algae and trees and whatnot... i would do it but alas, i really don\'t care, and that is completely off topic... anyway, gas is still going up here... cheapest i\'ve seen is now $3 a gallon...
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Over here I think it\'s around ? 1,25 a liter, thank god I don\'t own a car.
As for your question ... actually they already have many alternative power sources for transportation. Heck they can even make cars that run on water. None of that technology is going to break through as long as there is enough oil to go around though. All rich oil sheiks over at the middle east and the likes of them will make sure that technology never reaches mass production, because that \'d mean they couldn\'t sell their oil anymore.
Lastly .. actually it are mostly the algae that reduce the CO2 and make more O2 through photosynthesis. Landplants and trees have a smaller contribution but since we don\'t live on the ocean still a very important one.
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Guess what the world is mostly made of; Water, and guess what lives in the water? Alegie! The water produces most of the oxygen we breathe, believe it or not.
wow you\'re a great scientist arent you ? do you breathe oxygen _in_ the water ? I mean, as the fishes do with their I_dont_know_the_word_in_english ? I have lungs, I need air, not only oxygen, and for that I need trees, that\'s the only way. of course some of the oxygen from the oceans come to the atmosphere, but really not as much as oxygen comes from the atmosphere to the ocean.
i think he was talking about the arguement about people destroying the environment blah blah blah, and cutting down trees taking away all the oxygen...global warming and all that crap...
woohoo another good thinking citizen
hurry hurry guys, sign that http://www.yesbushcan.com/pledge.shtml
and watch somkey the log on the right, it\'ll please you ...
why are people not willing to think by themselves ?
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Originally posted by leji
...do you breathe oxygen _in_ the water ? I mean, as the fishes do with their I_dont_know_the_word_in_english ?...
Its called gills, for all you playing at home :P
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Originally posted by Ecolem
Originally posted by leji
...do you breathe oxygen _in_ the water ? I mean, as the fishes do with their I_dont_know_the_word_in_english ?...
Its called gills, for all you playing at home :P
indeed and also know as \'agallas\' in Spanish, for your sake Leji it is \'ou?es\' in French :P, \'kiemen\' in German, and even known as \'жабры\' in Russian for you sake RussianVodka :D. It\'s amaxing what you can do with knowing four differant languages and having a keyboard setting to change it from differant keyboard setting :P. honestly I learn these four languages ;)
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WTF, sorry people these forums don\'t support Russian
*Verideon goes off cursing the Planeshift forums for not supporting Russian
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/me points Verideon to the edit button and thanks ecolem for the translation :)
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Pssshh you guys are nothing here in Japan its past 220 yen ($2.10) a liter. :P
Well Japan does have a large gasoline tax to discorage cars and encourage alernate fuel sources but
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Originally posted by leji
/me points Verideon to the edit button and thanks ecolem for the translation :)
yeah I know, sorry, lol. to much effort to move the mouse to click edit, I was already at the Reply area :P. oh yeah thank ecolem for HIS translation, I translated it to French, :{.
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@Leji ... i thought you spoke about \"branchies\"...
http://www.yesbushcan.com/pledge.shtml : another american website about patriotism... is it the last fashion to say \"I am a patriot!\"?
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I didnt think Ocean was the biggest o? producer in the world but why not... What I am sure is that oceans and seas are the biggest recyclers of the world : it keeps CO?and transform it in O? or something like that (I learnt that 6 or 7 years before...).
Off course thanks to North America and Europa the pollution is even bigger and is still beeing increased...
:rolleyes:
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there are those rock things in the sea that were like the first things to make oxygen or something like that. there are some in australia.
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Verideon, thanks, but I\'m french I now the french word :P
As for the ocean producing O2, as I said, it certainly does, but not o2 we can use, nothing will ever compensate the forests (except maybe if we find a machine to do that effectively)
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Arr nobody cares that us here in Japan are paying 220 yen a liter :P
Well the ocean was how the earth got it\'s oxygen atmosphere in the first place. It\'s the main producer, but cutting down all the forests will bang down the O2% considerably I\'m sure :P
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Originally posted by Drey
there are those rock things in the sea that were like the first things to make oxygen or something like that. there are some in australia.
I assume you mean corals, other wise known as the Great Barrier Reef.
Didn’t know that…
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Originally posted by verideon
...oh yeah thank ecolem for HIS translation...
Yeh no problem, il forget the rest of the post ;)
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not that... there are special ones, and this is only something i thinmk i rmemeber wich mean that it could be nothing at all. you can go there and they are like underwater and you can see the bubbles coming off them.
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yeah i know what you are talking about drey ! It\'s... it\'s the leviathan! Each time some bubbles come from the underwater just before the Leviathan say \"oooops sorry :D\"
@Leji I dont speak about underwater O? : once the sea \"makes\" O? then it \"gaves\" it to the atmosphere.
Off course human beeings pollute a very lot more than what the sea is able to recycle... 4 or 5 more times i believe.
@Neryam : OMG Japan! what a beautiful country !
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3.60 cents a gallon here in boston =(
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Amaizingly still $2.59.9 at the Shell station where I work; still $.30 cheapear than the lowest competitor in the area and $1.00 cheaper than most.
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3.60 cents a gallon here in boston =(
is that about $0.036/5 liters ????
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Originally posted by leji
3.60 cents a gallon here in boston =(
is that about $0.036/5 liters ????
Well its $0.95/liter (Thats USD)
Arr and here were paying $2.10/liter :P
Thats $7.95/gallon :o
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The price of petrol here climbs up about two times every year, it was like 2 ltrs per US $, but now it\'s about only 1ltrs per $.
It just increased 4 Rupees some days ago. It\'s getting worse and worse here also.
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/me readies his bicycle...
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ok here\'s an update petrol is expected to reach $1.40au here per litre :(. It is going up because companies are giving things like fuel discount dockets, fuel discount cards and so forth. This forces the fuel companies to make their prices higher to make some profet. Also the government isn\'t helping because THEY are adding fuel taxes 8o.
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http://www.changingworldtech.com/index.asp (http://www.changingworldtech.com/index.asp)
Take that, opec. X(
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Maybe everyone should start modifying their cars to run on vegetable oil, until we figure out a better alternative.
Your car would smell like french fries though. ;)
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hmm, i can drive sort of, kinda legally, but i still walk places or grab a train... its more fun that way.
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Waste-to-Oil Company Selling Oil Commercially 5.19.2004
Julie Gross Gelfand
HLD/Blankman Public Relations
(516) 536-6811
Carthage, MO, May 19, 2004 ? Renewable Environmental Solutions LLC (RES) today announced that its first commercial plant is selling an equivalent of crude oil No. 4, produced from agricultural waste products. The Carthage, Missouri, plant is currently producing 100-200 barrels of oil per day utilizing by-products from an adjacent turkey processing facility.
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?Until now our focus has been on completing commissioning of the plant, but now that we are selling oil commercially, our focus is shifting to what we can do with the TCP technology in the bigger global picture,? says P.J. Samson, President of RES.
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The process entails five steps:
Pulping and slurrying the organic feed with water.
Heating the slurry under pressure to the desired temperature.
Flashing the slurry to a lower pressure to separate the mixture.
Heating the slurry again (coking) to drive off water and produce light hydrocarbons.
Separating the end products.
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Good work finding this Moon. I bet Oklahoma\'s state congress starts kicking itself in it\'s collective ass when it reads this. :D Then again they deserve it.
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Fken: I believe that site is againt bush, just look around a little.
Efflixi: but when oil runs out we won\'t be able to make plastic, and y\'kno what? computers have plastic in them, so when we\'ve used up all oil (well, mainly the US) there won\'t be anymore planeshift!
Over here in cold sweden gas costs about 1.5 USD a litre mainly due to high taxes to prevent pollution and greenhouse effects, of course in the US money is more important than the enviroment it seems.
I believe hydrogen fuel is slightly cheaper to produce than gas actually, but the hydrogen car itself is quite a bit more expensive than normal cars.
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Most cars are \"Hybrids\" that can take a certain mixture of 15% gasoline and then 85% other stuff (like byproducts stuff) around 40c cheaper a gallon.
Hydrogen cars produce little to no pollution AFAIK.
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Hit ?0.96/l here.
We\'ll never run out of oil. It\'ll just keep on getting more and more expensive and people will find more and more alternatives. :) I don\'t think the price increase is due to us running out though. We\'ve got decades supply left. The problem is, as rightly said earlier, that the oil isn\'t actually being produced and shipped out in large enough quantities, so the price will rise as it becomes more rare a commodity.
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Russia should be happy though, means they have to step on the gas (haha) but, the have tons of oil in their country and now without communism for ~10 years....money money money...Moooney
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Originally posted by Waylander
Russia should be happy though, means they have to step on the gas (haha) but, the have tons of oil in their country and now without communism for ~10 years....money money money...Moooney
*packs his bags*
Russia here I come!!!
Wow they are going to be sooo rich once they tap into what they have.
Ph34R russia. O_o
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let\'s hope half of the Russian country breaks off comes sailing here and then we get the oil :P.
*We can all dream can\'t we?*
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The problem is that Russia has a hard time to get that oil, see most of it is in sibiria or whatever that cold place is called in english, and since the fall of communism, they can no longer force slave labour to work in -20C all around the year, and most of the population is moving towards the southwestern warmer parts of the country - where the oil is it\'s too cold to get enough to work.
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Some note on hydrogen:
Have you ever dug out some of it, ever seen it come out of a drilling hole? No, then this is probably because it has to be produced before it can be used. And the problem with production of hydrogen is that it needs at least the amount of energy that you later on can use by burning it. So hydrogen can act as a fuel, but not as an energy supply.
Some additional note on oil:
Ever wondered why all these sheiks invest in companies all over the world instead of their own oil-fields (of course, they also invest into their oil fields, but they pump billions of dollars into foreign countries)?
Maybe it\'s because they know that their fields won\'t be able to keep their actual production rate for more than maybe a decade or two?
Hell, maybe they can even continue producing for another half decade, but what then? By this time I\'ll be an old man (assumed I survive the next fifty years), and I don\'t want to freeze to death and see my (possible) children and grandchildren suffering because we now are too ignorant and selfish to stop driving around and start thinking about what we do.
To contribute something useful to this debate:
In germany the gas prices range somewhere from 1.30 up to 1.50 and more. (Gas and SuperPlus, for those who know those)
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the whole oil thing seems old fashioned to me.
electric cars, hydrogen electric cars and whatever else seems pretty sweet.
just a bit of momentem converting over seing as there is a bloody lot of cars.
howa bout using alchohol ? its clean efficent and really powerfull (drag cars use it :P). not every single car could use this fuel though, would be expensive but good, if you want power.
otehr than that its electric/hydrogen for the future.
the only reason we are using oil is cause its easy to get and quik and in bulk. its like sitting there in the ground, we dont have to farm it or generate it or chuck the charger into your car for 3 hours.
hey im going to bed.
i need to learn to type.
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New price of ?1.06 a litre or $7.94 per US gallon
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ok news update here, Price is no longer going to reach $1.40 per litre. IT HAS reached $1.40 per litre :(