PlaneShift
Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Noobis on October 03, 2005, 03:34:30 am
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I fail to see why creating an entire guild is necessary for this. You are much better off holding a sort of tournament, or a series of them. Perhaps you need to be refreshed on what a guild is supposed to be?
This isn\'t likely to go well with the community, so I would advise you to rethink this idea. Guilds are supposed to have much more (RP) purpose than this.
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It has nothing to do with being friendly or aggressive - the issue concerns a lack of understanding for the purpose of guilds in PlaneShift. Guilds aren\'t supposed to be a more complex version of the /group command. Have you taken a look at any previous guild threads started in this forum?
Also:
guild [also gild] (n.)
1. An association of persons of the same trade or pursuits, formed to protect mutual interests and maintain standards.
2. A similar association, as of merchants or artisans, in medieval times.
I believe these definitions are supposed to apply to guilds created in the PlaneShift world. What is the purpose of your guild besides holding dueling tournaments? Why would people want to join? Think in-character. Your very use of the phrase \"noob or elite\" points to a very OOC world.
Guilds need a reason to exist, Noobis. What you have suggested needs no guild organization to work. Dueling tournaments, between more than just two people, are entirely possible already.
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Hmm.. I guess you could kind of consider this a Warrior Order or some School of War... But because of the way this idea is presented you likely wont have too much luck finding people, from the forum, for this mostly because of the lack of RP but also because you only focus on one aspect of the game. But I would say that holding a Tournament is a better idea.. but if you can make it work I guess more power to you.
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Then where are your ranks? Your RP history? A website? What\'s your alignment? Whose military are you? Are you for hire to just anyone, or do you have a greater more specific purpose? There is potential to this, but not as originally presented.
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Wait a minute, didn\'t you used to be Thorin?
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Yeah.. it would be best to erase everything you have in your main post now and add everything you just talk about Noobis. But, I dont mean to lecture you, try to think out the post before creating a thread. So you dont have to answer all these questions. But as soon as you get all your info then we can look it over for you to help with some new ideas or whatever.
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Hi, welcome to a public forum.
Criticisms here are common, and necessary. I for one am very keen on keeping the PlaneShift world operating smoothly and as it is supposed to. It doesn\'t matter at all if this is the beginning, Noobis. Actually, it should matter more than anything else, come to think of it - you are trying to attract other players to join your organization, so you better do an excellent job of explaining yourself and catching their eyes. You should have as much information ready as absolutely possible, which you don\'t at the moment. Guilds are supposed to be serious, and need a lot of work to survive, and even more to begin.
So take a deep breath, break your capslock key, and give this more thought.
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It\'s quite clear, thank you. I think it\'s clear to everyone else too.
What more can I say? Good luck ;) You\'ll need it, as you\'ve just completely blown apart what you have been trying to gain by making this thread here.
Over and out.
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I hate to be blunt, but...
If you don\'t like to role-play... *refrains from very mean statement*
*regains control of snideness and tries to put it nicely*
Don\'t play Planeshift. Planeshift is about role-playing; it was created for this purpose and this is why there are so many role-players. If you don\'t want to role-play, don\'t play.
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No need to respond to me. But what you say is exactly what the majority (from what I have seen) are somewhat afraid of happening to Planeshift. This game is for people who want to roleplay. Now this doesnt neccessarily exclude anyone who have never really RPed as long as you want to learn or are trying. Since I cannot talk for everyone, I dont want to see PS move away from what it wants. With a world taken over by people who dont know/understand the community and what the community wants. Many of us are here because this realm is so much different then some of the games like FFXI or WoW where RP seems extinct. In this environment, with so few people, we can all be apart of a community.. we can all take part, learn from eachother, and overall just be apart of something special. Now you dont sound like a bad person or anything and the last thing I want you to do is take this as a \"your not wanted here\".. but I believe you should rethink this entire idea and try to learn what PS is. Which of course will take you sometime.. but then you will know whether you want to stay with us or not.
Edit: and just because you are killing monsters or whatever does not mean that you are not RPing.. you can easily work that into your character.
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Originally posted by Noobis
Role playing...
its something you CAN do in PS not something you HAVE to do.
Where have you been? :) Roleplay is an absolute requirement of PlaneShift, and has been for as long as PlaneShift has been in development. If this is truly news to you, you may need to reevaluate your decision to be here, or straighten out your priorities.
Sorry, Noobis. Just the way things are. This isn\'t just like every other game.
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Noobis, you are 100% correct. You can do whatever you want while playing PS.
But if you choose to act in a manner which is considered improper by the majority of the community, then you must accept the consequences of your actions. In the real world, I can ignore all traffic laws; but if I choose to do so I risk the wrath of the California Highway Patrol. Here, if you choose not to RP, you find yourself involved in situations like this one.
It is your choice: to stay and do your best to RP with the rest of the community, or to stay and play by your ow rules, or to go elsewhere. No one can force you to take a particular course of action, but your choice affects how others will view you, and what course your interactions with them will take.
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Alright. One question. What is the name of your guild?
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Make an in-character dueling guild then. You see, there are two types of dueling. There is the OOC game-mechanic duel, and the friendly (or sometimes not-so-friendly) competition between two people to see who is more talented. If you make your guild about the latter and write up a history and background as such, you\'ll be fine. If you just say, \"Yea, come join my guild and duel,\" you won\'t be.
What\'s the difference? Well, the former is within a role-playing context while the latter is not. That\'s the thing you don\'t understand I think... You must role-play in the game all the time. As has been mentioned, this doesn\'t mean you have to sit around doing nothing. But when you do something in the game, it has to be in-character. If you can\'t cope with that, then please, make everyone\'s life (including your own) easier and find another game.
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You don\'t get it, do you? Everything is role-play. The only exceptions are necessary OOC things to keep order and sanity (such as GMs and naming rules). Everything else is role-play:
When you go out and kill monsters, you should be doing it in-character, something the person you are playing would do.
When you chat in the tavern over an ale, your character should be the one speaking, not you.
When you duel and form a dueling guild, it has to be something your character would do, and your character has to have reasons, motivations, and other ideas about the guild. Noobis is not founding a guild. Noobis\'s character is founding it. Why?
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Maybe I can offer a helpful link with a more lengthy explanation of roleplay in general? :)
A Guide to Role-Playing (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=10310&boardid=19&styleid=4)
The thing is Noobis, this game is based on roleplay, so if you do something in-game with your character that falls outside of it as much as this, there will be conflicts. To avoid such conflicts, just try to think as your character in Yliakum instead of as the human being behind the computer screen. If this is something you do not want to do, then I am sorry, but you are going to have a very hard time in PlaneShift.
But there are people who just want to kill monsters and duel but can\'t find them because they have to hide in the shadows of the RP Preachers.
No. See, you can\'t find them, because they don\'t belong here if they want to kill monsters or duel with no In-Character reason... :)
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I honestly dont think there\'s anything inherently wrong with a Dueling guild- From Karyuu\'s Definition
guild [also gild] (n.)
1. An association of persons of the same trade or pursuits, formed to protect mutual interests and maintain standards.
2. A similar association, as of merchants or artisans, in medieval times.
Their Guild would be an association of people with the same pursuit: Dueling. They have formed to protect the mutal interests, such that they can all duel in an organised and friendly way, and maintain common rules and standards for dueling. They All have a common association.
However, the problem here is the way he\'s presented it: You dont have to Roleplay in Planeshift, But if you\'re going to make a guild then its expected that you at least acknowledge and work around it, as such, instead of just trying to go out there and say \"Roleplaying is stupid\". Guilds need History, Ranks, Guildlines, etc- Things which require some thought beforehand, something sadly lacking in this case. Nobody expects you to roleplay in Game, but your guild must be presented in a way such that it does not disturb the roleplaying environment for those who choose to.
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Originally posted by ramlambmoo
Nobody expects you to roleplay in Game...
I beg to differ. I would hope that every single person acts as if he or she was his/her character while playing the game. I don\'t expect everyone to sit around and chat all day, doing nothing; that would be out of character for most of them. However, I do expect people to create some frame of character and stick to that frame. The creation of the guild should fall within this frame and be supported by it as well.
EDIT: clarified
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Originally posted by ramlambmoo
Their Guild would be an association of people with the same pursuit: Dueling. They have formed to protect the mutal interests, such that they can all duel in an organised and friendly way, and maintain common rules and standards for dueling.
That is actually an excellent perspective - organized dueling. The guild could act as a sort of model for aspiring champions, sharing techniques, setting up tournaments, promoting fair play, etc. Like a Fencing Association, but... not only fencing ;)
Again, there is most definitely potential. It just needs to be carved out.
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Raagh.
We train for fighting the Demons of PS [...]
What are the Demons of PS? What is PS?
We train and practice in the best stratigies and skills. Including:
Best shortcut set up
Best Button set up
Best mouse set up
And what is that? You have improved some of the issue, but definitely not all. If anything, you may have tangled it further. Try to keep OOC references and IC reality as separate as you can.
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It can be completely dueling as long as this is in-character. For a history, I\'d suggest why your character wanted to found the guild. I\'d also lay out some goals (promote dueling, improve combat skills, etc) and rules (No attacking guild-mates without agreement, etc). Without structure and history, the guild will not work. Also, please read this thread (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=14312&boardid=18) to get an idea of what else is needed.
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I would hope that every single person in the game does whatever he/she does in the game from an OOC perspective.
Try as I might, I cant understand this sentence- could you rephrase it?
I don\'t expect everyone to sit around and chat all day, doing nothing; that would be out of character for most of them. However, I do expect people to create some frame of character and stick to that frame. The creation of the guild should fall within this frame and be supported by it as well.
Well, I\'d argue that there\'s a difference between \"Creating a Frame\" and engaging in roleplay. In my mind, people expect you to not break the roleplay atmosphere- However very few people expect you to activly engage in roleplay. I think theres 3 different levels- OOC, Passive RP and Active RP. OOC obviously either referring to the game itself or talking about real life events. Passive Roleplay means just acting as if you were in game- Talking to people, asking people questions, killing stuff, etc. Active Roleplay would be strictly sticking to medievil talk and character, and/or engaging in roleplaying activites and the like. I think It is expected that you maintain Passive Roleplay, so you dont ruin it for others- But I havent, in game, seen much expectation that you conform to the higher level. Perhaps its meant to be different?, but it isnt at the moment.
It can be completely dueling as long as this is in-character
Agreed. Additionally, Making it not all dueling doesnt make up for the lack of depth in terms of story etc,.
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You need to have it be IC both on the forums and in the game. You can have the OOC section if you want, but there has to be an in-character one as well. Without an in-character description of your guild... well, let\'s just say Aendar will not like you very much and this thread will be locked.
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I\'m an atheist :P
In other news, when describing your guild, you have to try to be in-character as much as possible. Your character is creating the guild in Yliakum, after all, and your character is going to be interacting with others. Thusly, your character would know nothing about buttons or shortcuts, and therefore your character will not train nor practice the best mouse or shortcut or button setup. I understand that tweaking such things are important parts of the game mechanics, but it honestly has very little to do with making a presentation of your guild.
*edited to add* You didn\'t address my question about the Demons of PS. I\'m rather curious about that.
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Hrmm... I just reread your description and I see that you do have a base to work from. If you can just take out OOC references (shortcut buttons, etc) or put them in a different section, neaten up the grammar and organization, and add details, you should be set. Oh, and add the history!!! Your character had a reason for creating this guild. What is it?
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Originally posted by Noobis
I am going to take the next step and make dueling even more challenging. I am going to make group dueling more popular and make it something people will challenge others to do.
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Not in anywhere but the Arena and other suitable locations, right? And not just duel spamming? For example, your guild members will be forced to speak to people they would want to duel before /challenging, right? Because if not... Then man are you going down.
You can still have an IC history beginning. Act as your character, and give a sort of speech on why you want to establish this organization. In-character, say what you are looking for in potential members. It will help, honestly :)
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Well, this is sounding a lot better than how it sounded originally :) Definitely good luck to you, and if you can, try to organize your first post as much as possible with additional info as it comes in, or becomes developed. It\'s the bookcover to your guild.