PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: arne on October 09, 2005, 07:21:29 pm
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I\'m saying if i train enough i can beat anyone with melee.
Who\'s fore and why and who\'s against and why? tell me!
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first off... you post makes hardly any sense.
and at the moment, melee i dont think would ever beat weapons due to the uber slash blades around
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Now you are most certainly wanted :D
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wanted or not making any sense
I\'m talking about once we get gloves and stuf
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still not making sense.
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I don\'t think so. Why?
Have you ever heard of people fighting in battles with their fists?
Being good at melee combat won\'t make you any good if you\'ll get hit over your head with a mace before you can approach someone.
Granted, there are the monks who have high skills in dodging blows, but then you\'d need also dodging skill, not just melee. Maybe such skill could go way up if you had high melee skill and wouldn\'t use any non-melee weapons (like having one perk in Fallout). But then you shouldn\'t wear anything heavier than light armour either.
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Someone wielding knives very maybe if your skill far exceeds theirs. Someone with a heavy slow sword, if you have good timing and luck on your side, sure. Someone with any weapon that gives them the advantage of range without the loss of speed ... bout the chance of a snowflake in hell.
Now if the guy with the weapon has any kind of armor on your chances are getting slimmer. You\'ll probably have more luck pounding through a brick wall than hurting someone wearing full plate armor with your fists and feet.
If we\'re talking about claws that is a completely different matter, I consider that the same as having a weapon so it\'d all depend on skill and luck.
This is based on reality ... based on PS well sure melee can beat swords but you\'ll never become invincible. Nobody will become invincible in PS since there are quite a few weapons that can kill with one blow, regardless of the attacker\'s skill or the defender\'s health.
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There will be weapons for melee at some point, and I think that there will be shields and armours that deal melee damage as well. The thing is, melee has never been the best thing to fight with. Before the wipe, sword skill with sabre was the best. Now, it\'s daggers, then small battle axes and shortswords at a close 3rd.
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I\'m for. Though it does not make sense in the current version of the game.
Here is why I am for: the desciption in the game logs used to strongly suggest -and perhaps still does, I don\'t get out much these days- that it was one of the more powerful fighting skills available and that it had a wonderfull speed and damage ratio. Sadly equipment was to be quite expensive.
Here is why it doesn\'t currently work: the martial styles, armor skills and equipment that would make it such a powerful skill, once properly trained and outfited are either nonexistant or not being trained properly by anyone. Untill a Master comes to town those of us who go the Melee rout are SOL, if you get my drift.
Now, I do agree with everyone that A) you would never walk into a war and yell, \"Bring it on punks!\" with not but your bare hands and B) a weapon is always better. But some of you are missing the point that Melee will have weapons, of it\'s own sort. Whether those are claws, (alla Vega from Street Fighter#? / Zhang He from Dynasty Warriors) simple gauntlets with spikes, or the \'touch of death\' we won\'t know untill we see \'em, but I sure hope it is wicked awsome. :D :))
My three cents.
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I don\'t think Vega would manage to defeat a fully armoured warrior if using his hands was all he could do :P
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Originally posted by Draklar
I don\'t think Vega would manage to defeat a fully armoured warrior if using his hands was all he could do :P
Yeah, but if you had a spiked shield?
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...What are you trying to say?
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Originally posted by Draklar
...What are you trying to say?
Well isn\'t there going to be armour which doubles as a melee weapon?
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Don\'t tell me they\'re going to put fist-fighting (spikes, knuckle-duster, whatever) and shield-bashing in same group...
Ability to bash someone with a shield happens to progress as you train blocking with a shield...
I would know that...
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Now, I do agree with everyone that A) you would never walk into a war and yell, \"Bring it on punks!\" with not but your bare hands
Indeed Draklar I would not be saying Vega would beat a man in full plate or ring armor.
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Ehh... I\'m actually saying that Vega would indeed beat someone like that... Without much problem, actually. Only that he wouldn\'t do it without his insane agility-related skills.
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My personal opinion is that with high levels of melee, you most certainly can beat any swordsman. Why? you may ask. Because it\'s fast. If one uses strategies, such as charge fighting, they can usually win duels or defeat monsters far more easily than with a sword. And neither is it weak. If you can hit two 25\'s at twice the speed of a sword....... It may be far easier to buy a super sword, but in the long run, if uber swords are removed, you\'re stuck. So it takes time to train....and takes time to learn to put into practise. But it certainly pays off.
Well that\'s my opinion.....
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With normal medieval europe fist-fighting training you can at best fight in a tavern :P
If you\'re using melee weapons it gives you more possibilities, but it still isn\'t some sort of an eastern martial arts style (it can be distanced). And if you take those into account, then you have to keep in mind such styles as Iaido for swordmasters as well :P
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Originally posted by leuxast
My personal opinion is that with high levels of melee, you most certainly can beat any swordsman. Why? you may ask. Because it\'s fast. If one uses strategies, such as charge fighting, they can usually win duels or defeat monsters far more easily than with a sword. And neither is it weak. If you can hit two 25\'s at twice the speed of a sword....... It may be far easier to buy a super sword, but in the long run, if uber swords are removed, you\'re stuck. So it takes time to train....and takes time to learn to put into practise. But it certainly pays off.
Well that\'s my opinion.....
Uber swords are not going to be removed. They\'re going to be rarer, but they\'re staying. And they SHOULD stay.
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Yes, because we obviously need to encourage power-leveling in Planeshift in some way xD
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Ah, I see so you were agreeing with me. I missunderstood :)) all good now; and I\'d agree whole heartedly.
Based on my last time in game (which I\'ll admit was immediately following the wipe.) encouraging power-leveling -and the arguments about KSing that go with it- is hardly something that needs to be tried for.
And yes I am a little bitter.
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Originally posted by Draklar
Yes, because we obviously need to encourage power-leveling in Planeshift in some way xD
Power-levelling will always exist. It is impossible to get rid of it and still maintain some sort of skill advancement system.
As long as people become more skillfull from performing certain activities in game, there will be people who take that process to as far as they can take it. I don\'t think there\'s anything wrong with that. In fact, if there weren\'t people in the game who became experts in their field, then the game wouldn\'t be very realistic. The alternative is far, far worse: It would be a sytem where every single player was a super hero, or alternatively where every single person was joe average. There needs to be a range in place, and as long as there\'s a range, there will be people at either end of the curve.
Originally posted by Draklar
With normal medieval europe fist-fighting training you can at best fight in a tavern :P
If you\'re using melee weapons it gives you more possibilities, but it still isn\'t some sort of an eastern martial arts style (it can be distanced). And if you take those into account, then you have to keep in mind such styles as Iaido for swordmasters as well :P
I believe that the ancient Greeks had their own tradition of martial arts.