PlaneShift
Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Suno_Regin on October 19, 2005, 03:04:48 am
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Listen, I have just been informed by a member of \"The Damned\" a guild that has been hidden for some time up until now, that they have sent spies into all of the major guilds in Planeshift. DE, GK, FL, TCF, TCOY, and I believe there are more. They have already launched a plan of war, to get revenge on a world that has rejected them...If we let them continue, there will be more distrust and confusion between all of us.
I have a log here of our conversation...
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Tue 18-Oct-2005 20:29:37 Mitaki Shinito
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(20:29:37) Mitaki says: The Damned?
(20:29:41) Mitaki says: ...
(20:29:45) Yanshu hissess.
(20:29:52) Yanshu says: What?
(20:30:06) Mitaki says: Err...Is there any real purpose for this guild? What is your objective?
(20:30:33) Yanshu says: You ask one whom only follows...
(20:30:58) Yanshu says: We have watched for long enough...
(20:31:21) Mitaki says: Hmm...Who is your leader?
(20:31:55) Yanshu says: Maybe you should look to your friends for that answer...
(20:33:20) Mitaki looks confused for a while... \"Wait...Could you possibly be...The reincarnation of the fallen darkness...?\"
(20:34:10) Mitaki says: Those who are not really mortal...I believe I am right, yes?
(20:34:15) Yanshu looks blankly
(20:34:27) Mitaki thinks he may have gotten too dramatic...
(20:34:33) Narcal bows to mitaki
(20:35:02) Yanshu says: Look to the history in the great archives... there you will learn.
(20:35:11) Mitaki says: Maybe...I could be wrong...Though I do not really have any information on this, you don\'t seem to be a regular Diaboli...
(20:35:26) Mitaki says: Hmm...Very well...
(20:35:53) Narcal tells you: i know this person has another character she plays with shes already changed her descripition and she just started
(20:35:55) Yanshu says: I represent our race in it purest form!. Corrupted!.
(20:36:28) Narcal says: (lol............. its aluna)
(20:36:30) Gondour says: hi you guys
(20:36:36) Narcal says: Hello
(20:36:37) Mitaki says: ...Corrupted? I think I understand...
(20:36:38) Gondour says: do you know the closest merchant around?
(20:36:51) Narcal says: yes right behind oyu uharnquist
(20:37:03) Gondour says: thanks
(20:37:06) Narcal says: kk
(20:37:24) Narcal tells you: i think its aluna
(20:37:31) Narcal says: (aluna)
(20:37:40) Mitaki says: I know you will bring great suffering in the future, you have an evil substance dwelling within you...
(20:37:55) Mitaki says: (Narcal, I\'ll give you two second to shut up and stop bothering us....)
(20:38:04) Mitaki says: (Please...>.>)
(20:38:23) Narcal says: (if you wish, np
(20:38:29) Yanshu says: [im sorry but you guessed wrong]
(20:38:32) Narcal takes his leave angrily
(20:38:59) Mitaki says: [I probably did...I know your most likely undead, I\'m just throwing wild guesses :| ]
(20:39:19) Yanshu says: [undead!?thats no possible]
(20:39:33) Mitaki says: [Errr....Summoned evil?]
(20:39:50) Mitaki says: [/me grabs an eraser and erases his last few lines]
(20:39:53) Yanshu says: [weve been about for a while]
(20:39:56) Narcal tells you: why such spite?
(20:40:15) You tell Narcal: Because you were running around like an idiot when we were trying to have a serious moment here...
(20:40:31) Mitaki says: [I\'ve never seen you before...Hidden guild?]
(20:40:41) Yanshu says: [;) correct]
(20:40:48) Narcal tells you: i was standing still if i recall you left and i was standing there when you returned
(20:41:08) Mitaki says: [Heh...What is your intention though? Revenge?]
(20:41:21) Mitaki says: [Thats the only other thing I can think of :| ]
(20:41:27) Yanshu says: [for our master yes]
(20:41:34) Narcal tells you: anyways........
(20:41:40) Yanshu says: [one who was know by many names]
(20:42:11) Mitaki says: [Amheh? Verrliit? Karsier?]
(20:42:19) Yanshu says: [lol... no...]
(20:42:29) Yanshu says: [go back futher]
(20:42:48) Mitaki says: [Hmm...I have no idea :| ]
(20:43:21) Yanshu says: [you know, you really should watch your members more closley...]
(20:43:47) Mitaki says: [Someone from the Shinito Blades? Well thats interesting...]
(20:44:01) Mitaki says: [or are you talking about the Lair?]
(20:44:05) Yanshu says: [Im reffering to spies[
(20:44:15) Yanshu says: [not us]
(20:44:29) Yanshu says: [but there are alliences]
(20:44:37) Mitaki says: [Spies in the lair?]
(20:44:44) Yanshu says: [youve got me monologging now lol]
(20:44:47) Mitaki says: [I feal naive now...Too many questions]
(20:45:16) Mitaki says: [Well say everything, stop splitting it up, adds too many lines :P ]
(20:45:31) Yanshu says: [thats my intention]
(20:45:45) Mitaki says: [Pfft...So there are spies in the Lair?]
(20:46:05) Yanshu says: [not just the Lair >:)]
(20:46:29) Mitaki says: [Crap...Padfoot!]
(20:46:33) Yanshu says: [because yourll never see me again... 15 guilds]
(20:47:06) Yanshu says: [Your friends arnt who they seems]
(20:47:26) Mitaki says: [Well this is news...]
(20:47:50) Yanshu says: [the GK were easy to enter]
(20:48:01) Mitaki says: [Heh, I figured, mass recruitive]
(20:48:01) Yanshu says: [the dark empire wasnt]
(20:48:09) Mitaki says: [o.O]
(20:48:22) Yanshu says: [your all to trusting]
(20:48:39) Mitaki says: [Hmm...]
(20:48:47) Yanshu says: [now... let it be known, war is coming]
(20:49:08) Mitaki says: [No...Not if I can stop it...]
(20:49:29) Yanshu says: [Your too late, things are in motion that cannot be stopped]
(20:49:44) Yanshu says: [this town has slept for far too long]
(20:50:03) Siferous says: can someone help a newbie out?
(20:50:18) Mitaki says: [Grr...We will meet again, on the battlefield next time though...You will not succeed]
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I\'ll leave this up to the guild masters to decide what to do...But this is a serious issue, that will need cooperation from both Good and Evil to defeat this greater entity...
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tCoY? you make me squeal with delight. no one knows any of the members in tCoY better then I do, there are no spies there.
I think I can safely say that the Larger guilds probably already know and are probably dealing with it.
this is just amusing.
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I was naming all of the major guilds I knew, it might not have been your guild, but perhaps the others...
(BTW: You really know how to ruin a moment....>.>)
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Hehehe... I am slightly a \'major guild\'.... I am like best friends with the three biggest guilds and was once part of all three... Plus I am Sirunie\'s sidekick... And I assure you that I have no spies. Not to mention I am the Jokester... And there isn\'t much that can beat that title...
List of titles:
Former Jokester of GK
Former Arch Knight of GK
Sidekick of Sirunie
Master Ranger
Beeblebobbleduppledocscintalontrops
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You have no proof...Remember, this guild has been hidden for some time, there is no way you could have figured out the difference...
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Who, me? I can assure you that I have no spies in my guild... Completely 100%.
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If you say so...:|
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It\'s not that hard to get spies in guilds, it is hard however to cause havoc from within enough to cause any sort of damage to the guild.
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Anyway...For an RP situation, we should follow this through, it adds a good plot to Planeshift I think...
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Yes that I agree with.. but i know i have no spies cause i know all my members personally... besides, none but me are ever really on...
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My character took in Verrliit when she was fresh on the streets of Hydlaa. Being from before Amheh's time would definately be of note.
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Well surely any guild could have spies in it.. though I doubt TCoY would because it has just rose once again and they dont have too many members.. And I would have a hard time believing that there would be one in FL but who knows.. Spies are out there.. its best if you have nothing to hide really.
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I am pretty sure our guild is 100% spy-proof.. though this makes you act a bit more safer but they could be using this as a tactic to make us think this way... a single guild wouldn\'t stop us in war but they could still damage our guilds in a lot of ways
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The Dark Empire is mostly made up of members before Crystal Blue... I don\'t think there\'s much chance we\'ve got spies. And if we do, they\'re doing a good job for both parties.
*Sangwa laughs*
I wouldn\'t bother with some rejects. Specially not to the point of shaming my guild by forming alliances with the short sighted.
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For the idea of RPing, this is GREAT!!! But I assure you that I have no spies. Just thought I would state that one more time :P
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Say it all you want, that doesn\'t make it true...Sangwa, she even mentioned DE in the chat, one of your most recent members is most likely a spy (Unless they quit already, recently a member from FL quit, and I have reason to believe she was a spy...)
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They wouldn\'t have to join to know about the guild.. they could learn from other members..
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Oh... Another thing is the fact that there is nothing for them to actually spy on my guild for... Nothing to hide...
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Originally posted by Farren Kutter
Oh... Another thing is the fact that there is nothing for them to actually spy on my guild for... Nothing to hide...
Spying is an interesting thing. You might infiltrate an organization for the purpose of getting information, true. But there\'s also such a thing as seeding. Eventually, that guild which was nothing before might grow into something of influence, concern, or interest. Eventually, it might have secrets when before it did not. There\'s also the issue of policy making, reputation, and group action.
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No one influences my guild but me... I make decisions and if my members don\'t like it they can leave. Sometimes I ask them what they want, but I will most likely only do what I want to do and ask when I already have my course of action planned out.
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spies are also used to drain resources.
another note: if someone did have spies in another guild, they must have reason. i don\'t see how announcing it could aid their cause in any way. the first rule of being a spy is to never ever tell anyone. i think they may just be getting attention, but hey, i don\'t know, its definitely a threat and should be dealt with as such.
Easton Ghent
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I still think we should mass all of the guilds together and destroy them...
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Originally posted by Farren Kutter
No one influences my guild but me... I make decisions and if my members don\'t like it they can leave. Sometimes I ask them what they want, but I will most likely only do what I want to do and ask when I already have my course of action planned out.
OK, so the spy convinces your members that you\'ve made a bad decision, encouraging them to leave.
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A massive guild alliance to destroy a secretive-guild when there is no official list that shows ANY of the members names? An interesting, yet stupid, proposal. It shows how naive some of our guildleaders are. The only way to fight them is to have a war of espionage; clearly that would be the obvious choice, no? If you had spies on THEIR end, then you could find out who the spies on YOUR end are. Simple? Not quite, especially after this post is seen. I\'m sure it would be extremely difficult to join that particular guild. You cannot destroy a guild like this simply by brute-force. You have to outwit them.
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It\'s interesting to see people have such a strong reaction once they feel they\'re being spied on. Do you really think this kind of thing is new?
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Very bad to find spy, they do no good, were ever they be found.
But you say fight, i say how, as we no not who they be as hidden to eyes.
Me thinks a good leader to them be Zanibar, as he twist and terns thing around so well.
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*chuckles*
Still worried about the spies? The guilds that fall down to such petty methods deserve to fall for their weakness.
And don\'t be ridiculous Farren. There can\'t be such a thing as a mass alliance, specially not against something as little. Besides, the Dark Empire allies only with those that agree to see Her Magesty as the supreme ruler.
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Pah! Us Guild Knights don\'t really care about spies, and we have nothing to hide.. What sort of damage can a few spies do to the power and might of the Guild Knights?! :))
Or any other good guild for that matter.. I mean, sure it makes you uneasy and angry, but lets face it, WHO CARES?! :D What sensitive info can spies reveal to their guild that could hurt.. Guilds aren\'t complex enough (Well.. not enough tools thats one) to have secrets yet, and theres nothing inside that can really damage things when it gets out yet..
Actually we are aware of spies in our guild, and we do know who a few of them are. But we don\'t kick them out or anything, cause they don\'t do any harm (so far).
Oh and btw tCoY is The Community of Vaalnor. Come on now.. :P
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Originally posted by semper
Very bad to find spy, they do no good, were ever they be found.
But you say fight, i say how, as we no not who they be as hidden to eyes.
Me thinks a good leader to them be Zanibar, as he twist and terns thing around so well.
I\'ve been in five guilds... as Shalmaneser....
In four of them.... I was second in command, or close to it.....
In the one I\'m in now, I am of the lowest official rank.
Yes, I\'m in Deus Ex Trucido, and it\'s not a secret, but I am not in a position of leadership, and I am not responsible for this \'new\' guild.
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Originally posted by semper
Very bad to find spy, they do no good, were ever they be found.
But you say fight, i say how, as we no not who they be as hidden to eyes.
Me thinks a good leader to them be Zanibar, as he twist and terns thing around so well.
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I\'ve been in five guilds... as Shalmaneser....
In four of them.... I was second in command, or close to it.....
In the one I\'m in now, I am of the lowest official rank.
Yes, I\'m in Deus Ex Trucido, and it\'s not a secret, but I am not in a position of leadership, and I am not responsible for this \'new\' guild.
Not say you were read close more :)
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Originally posted by Farren Kutter
I still think we should mass all of the guilds together and destroy them...
Haha! That\'s a good joke. ;) The spies will hardly ever say \"Hello! I\'m a spy, please destroy me and my fellow spies.\" :rolleyes:
I mean, you (or anybody else, except the spies themselves) hardly knows who in your guild (or in any other guild) really is a spy, cause spies will always try to be not detected by the members of the guild they infiltrate. So how can we fight or even destroy them, if we don\'t know who to fight against? ;)
And I don\'t understand all this sudden fuss about spies now, just because someone said he knows there are spies in some guilds; I could have told you that, too, if you asked me. There probably have always been spies in some guilds (maybe even in your guild, you just might not know it), but people did not react like \"Oh no! Evil spies, let\'s destroy them!\".
By the way: if you know that there are spies in your guild or that there could be spies in your guild, don\'t post in the public forums and announce that you will destroy them. ;) Do it behind the scenes, so the spies will not realize what\'s going on until it is too late for them.
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Yes, and note the fact that I never stated that thought before then when I said \"I still think\". I was being sarcastic. I am not an idiot and I know that it isn\'t even a rational idea. BTW, Keyaz, you didn\'t confuse me, so does that mean it isn\'t good? Oh well... Either way, this is still a good RP situation, especially the idea of an espionage war...
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A warning. Please take further one-on-one quarrels to PMs. Keep thread on-topic.
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Originally posted by Neryam
Pah! Us Guild Knights don\'t really care about spies, and we have nothing to hide.. What sort of damage can a few spies do to the power and might of the Guild Knights?! :))
Or any other good guild for that matter.. I mean, sure it makes you uneasy and angry, but lets face it, WHO CARES?! :D What sensitive info can spies reveal to their guild that could hurt.. Guilds aren\'t complex enough (Well.. not enough tools thats one) to have secrets yet, and theres nothing inside that can really damage things when it gets out yet..
Actually we are aware of spies in our guild, and we do know who a few of them are. But we don\'t kick them out or anything, cause they don\'t do any harm (so far).
Oh and btw tCoY is The Community of Vaalnor. Come on now.. :P
Heh heh, I agree. There isn\'t that much to be gained by actual spying, because a lot of the more juicy pieces of dialogue are only accessible by the leadership of the guild. You can still get interesting things though.
But tCoY can\'t be The Community of Vaalnor :p. Y versus V.
Edit: Sorry Karyuu, I didn\'t see your post until after posting this. I feel that I have the right to respond to Zayek\'s harsh words when they\'re posted in a public forum. If you want me to take this section out of my post then PM me and I will do so.
Edited to save time ;) tCoY - The Champions of Yliakum, by the way.
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Ha, its so much fun to watch the ignorant people flap and run around when they gather a glimpse of what is actually happening... Kenti, I expected better of you, Though on reflection im not really sure why, since you\'ve never been inclined to show more intelligence than this.
Tempting as it is to Delight in amazing people with my knowledge of this subject, I will keep my mouth shut to protect the secrets of those involved. Though, honestly I havnt made much effort to keep up with this recently, and you could be referring to more people that I am unaware of. Either way, meh.
Yes, I\'m in Deus Ex Trucido, and it\'s not a secret, but I am not in a position of leadership, and I am not responsible for this \'new\' guild.
Lies! Lies! DeT Does not exist! Fooool!
Looks at own sig Oh dear... I cant imagine the paperwork im going to have to do to fix this mess.... run off to office
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Hmm, I doubt these so called spies can actually do any damage or that they intended to do so by actually spying. They let information about themselves out meaning that they are either stupid and are no threat or because they wish to cause their damage through suspicion and doubt which will not cause any harm unless you heed them.
Ignore them and relax; drink a lemonade and enjoy the antics of such as them 8)
PS: Lemonade is the drink of real PSers :D
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Originally posted by Kwip
Hmm, I doubt these so called spies can actually do any damage or that they intended to do so by actually spying. They let information about themselves out meaning that they are either stupid and are no threat or because they wish to cause their damage through suspicion and doubt which will not cause any harm unless you heed them.
Ignore them and relax; drink a lemonade and enjoy the antics of such as them 8)
PS: Lemonade is the drink of real PSers :D
Actually, it\'s a lose-lose situation. If you react, then you appear vulnerable and reactionary, if only to some. If you do not react, then you appear arrogant and complacent, if only to some.
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Indeed, it\'s a lose-lose situation. However what is lost is nothing but irrelevant - dispensable items, weak minded members, the snide of the short sighted.
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Originally posted by Sangwa
Indeed, it\'s a lose-lose situation. However what is lost is nothing but irrelevant - dispensable items, weak minded members, the snide of the short sighted.
Ah, but not all guild leaders are as enlightened as yourself. :-D
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Heh heh heh...
I encountered the same person 20mins before Mitaki.
It was... intresting to say the least.
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\"...real hatred is timeless...\"
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You know, Narcal was telling me that Yanshu might have been Aluna. And Aluna is the sister (or whatever relative) to you and Embers...Just a thought, but that raises a suspicion on my part
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Believe what you will Mitaki... it makes no difference to me.
[OOC]
BTW - I wish you every sucsess with the return of your guild.
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Thanks, I still don\'t know if I want to do it or not...I might just go solo, since the guild was a mess the last time around. No one actually shares my point of view, so its impossible to gather members to fit the Guild\'s plot, I had to get PLers and OOCers :P
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You worry to much about spies, let them come and collect an pass the information. Though when swords clash and arrows fly no matter how much information was stolen the righteous will come out victorious.
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Indeed, information may be important, but it can\'t win battles alone. Well, unless the information stolen is about war tatics. Even then, it would depend greatly on the cunning of those who acquired the information.
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Why all this fus ofer a spie telling some1 he/she is a spie???
And if they where a secret guild and not wanting ppl to know about them, why does the spie spill the beans about them?
And plz, sofar there arent many things a spie can do to a PS guild, the game isn\'t so far in development yet. Maby later on in the game a spie can do damage to a guild.
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I\'m not a spy...Well not a guild spy at least (ask Rilar for details ;P)
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You worry to much about spies, let them come and collect an pass the information. Though when swords clash and arrows fly no matter how much information was stolen the righteous will come out victorious.
*rolls eyes* Righteous!... HA!.
And if they where a secret guild and not wanting ppl to know about them, why does the spie spill the beans about them?
Unless they have something to gain by showing their presence...
And plz, sofar there arent many things a spie can do to a PS guild, the game isn\'t so far in development yet. Maby later on in the game a spie can do damage to a guild.
Your looking at this from a OOC point of view... and not a RP one. And your spoiling the atmosphere.
[Edit] Setup
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Yeh, them showing themselves puts us in a mood of panic (in RP point of view, as Odessa said). Panic causes mistakes, blah, blah, blah. I\'m sure you know the deal if you actually think on it.
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Originally posted by Suno_Regin
Listen, I have just been informed by a member of \"The Damned\" a guild that has been hidden for some time up until now, that they have sent spies into all of the major guilds in Planeshift. DE, GK, FL, TCF, TCOY, and I believe there are more. They have already launched a plan of war, to get revenge on a world that has rejected them...If we let them continue, there will be more distrust and confusion between all of us.
I have a log here of our conversation...
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Tue 18-Oct-2005 20:29:37 Mitaki Shinito
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(20:29:37) Mitaki says: The Damned?
(20:29:41) Mitaki says: ...
(20:29:45) Yanshu hissess.
(20:29:52) Yanshu says: What?
(20:30:06) Mitaki says: Err...Is there any real purpose for this guild? What is your objective?
(20:30:33) Yanshu says: You ask one whom only follows...
(20:30:58) Yanshu says: We have watched for long enough...
(20:31:21) Mitaki says: Hmm...Who is your leader?
(20:31:55) Yanshu says: Maybe you should look to your friends for that answer...
(20:33:20) Mitaki looks confused for a while... \"Wait...Could you possibly be...The reincarnation of the fallen darkness...?\"
(20:34:10) Mitaki says: Those who are not really mortal...I believe I am right, yes?
(20:34:15) Yanshu looks blankly
(20:34:27) Mitaki thinks he may have gotten too dramatic...
(20:34:33) Narcal bows to mitaki
(20:35:02) Yanshu says: Look to the history in the great archives... there you will learn.
(20:35:11) Mitaki says: Maybe...I could be wrong...Though I do not really have any information on this, you don\'t seem to be a regular Diaboli...
(20:35:26) Mitaki says: Hmm...Very well...
(20:35:53) Narcal tells you: i know this person has another character she plays with shes already changed her descripition and she just started
(20:35:55) Yanshu says: I represent our race in it purest form!. Corrupted!.
(20:36:28) Narcal says: (lol............. its aluna)
(20:36:30) Gondour says: hi you guys
(20:36:36) Narcal says: Hello
(20:36:37) Mitaki says: ...Corrupted? I think I understand...
(20:36:38) Gondour says: do you know the closest merchant around?
(20:36:51) Narcal says: yes right behind oyu uharnquist
(20:37:03) Gondour says: thanks
(20:37:06) Narcal says: kk
(20:37:24) Narcal tells you: i think its aluna
(20:37:31) Narcal says: (aluna)
(20:37:40) Mitaki says: I know you will bring great suffering in the future, you have an evil substance dwelling within you...
(20:37:55) Mitaki says: (Narcal, I\'ll give you two second to shut up and stop bothering us....)
(20:38:04) Mitaki says: (Please...>.>)
(20:38:23) Narcal says: (if you wish, np
(20:38:29) Yanshu says: [im sorry but you guessed wrong]
(20:38:32) Narcal takes his leave angrily
(20:38:59) Mitaki says: [I probably did...I know your most likely undead, I\'m just throwing wild guesses :| ]
(20:39:19) Yanshu says: [undead!?thats no possible]
(20:39:33) Mitaki says: [Errr....Summoned evil?]
(20:39:50) Mitaki says: [/me grabs an eraser and erases his last few lines]
(20:39:53) Yanshu says: [weve been about for a while]
(20:39:56) Narcal tells you: why such spite?
(20:40:15) You tell Narcal: Because you were running around like an idiot when we were trying to have a serious moment here...
(20:40:31) Mitaki says: [I\'ve never seen you before...Hidden guild?]
(20:40:41) Yanshu says: [;) correct]
(20:40:48) Narcal tells you: i was standing still if i recall you left and i was standing there when you returned
(20:41:08) Mitaki says: [Heh...What is your intention though? Revenge?]
(20:41:21) Mitaki says: [Thats the only other thing I can think of :| ]
(20:41:27) Yanshu says: [for our master yes]
(20:41:34) Narcal tells you: anyways........
(20:41:40) Yanshu says: [one who was know by many names]
(20:42:11) Mitaki says: [Amheh? Verrliit? Karsier?]
(20:42:19) Yanshu says: [lol... no...]
(20:42:29) Yanshu says: [go back futher]
(20:42:48) Mitaki says: [Hmm...I have no idea :| ]
(20:43:21) Yanshu says: [you know, you really should watch your members more closley...]
(20:43:47) Mitaki says: [Someone from the Shinito Blades? Well thats interesting...]
(20:44:01) Mitaki says: [or are you talking about the Lair?]
(20:44:05) Yanshu says: [Im reffering to spies[
(20:44:15) Yanshu says: [not us]
(20:44:29) Yanshu says: [but there are alliences]
(20:44:37) Mitaki says: [Spies in the lair?]
(20:44:44) Yanshu says: [youve got me monologging now lol]
(20:44:47) Mitaki says: [I feal naive now...Too many questions]
(20:45:16) Mitaki says: [Well say everything, stop splitting it up, adds too many lines :P ]
(20:45:31) Yanshu says: [thats my intention]
(20:45:45) Mitaki says: [Pfft...So there are spies in the Lair?]
(20:46:05) Yanshu says: [not just the Lair >:)]
(20:46:29) Mitaki says: [Crap...Padfoot!]
(20:46:33) Yanshu says: [because yourll never see me again... 15 guilds]
(20:47:06) Yanshu says: [Your friends arnt who they seems]
(20:47:26) Mitaki says: [Well this is news...]
(20:47:50) Yanshu says: [the GK were easy to enter]
(20:48:01) Mitaki says: [Heh, I figured, mass recruitive]
(20:48:01) Yanshu says: [the dark empire wasnt]
(20:48:09) Mitaki says: [o.O]
(20:48:22) Yanshu says: [your all to trusting]
(20:48:39) Mitaki says: [Hmm...]
(20:48:47) Yanshu says: [now... let it be known, war is coming]
(20:49:08) Mitaki says: [No...Not if I can stop it...]
(20:49:29) Yanshu says: [Your too late, things are in motion that cannot be stopped]
(20:49:44) Yanshu says: [this town has slept for far too long]
(20:50:03) Siferous says: can someone help a newbie out?
(20:50:18) Mitaki says: [Grr...We will meet again, on the battlefield next time though...You will not succeed]
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I\'ll leave this up to the guild masters to decide what to do...But this is a serious issue, that will need cooperation from both Good and Evil to defeat this greater entity...
overreactor...
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RP ruiner.
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overreactor...
Was there any atual point to that?. Other than a one line comment?.
[Edit] Yep, dam setup again...
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I don\'t think there was... And what do you mean one \'line\'? It was more like a one word comment...
Added: And there is the fact that Mitaki isn\'t overreacting, he is trying to point out the potential RP plot that can take place in PS.
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You smirk at the righteous why? Do you believe something different if so please share your wisdom with the rest of us.
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Odessa bows mockingly...
Smrik?... I do more than smirk...sir! and I will share nothing with no one.
[EDIT] Dam signature setup.
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Originally posted by Suno_Regin
Thanks, I still don\'t know if I want to do it or not...I might just go solo, since the guild was a mess the last time around. No one actually shares my point of view, so its impossible to gather members to fit the Guild\'s plot, I had to get PLers and OOCers :P
Write a manifesto and let followers come to you.
Originally posted by DepthBlade
You worry to much about spies, let them come and collect an pass the information. Though when swords clash and arrows fly no matter how much information was stolen the righteous will come out victorious.
The real world is not so kind to those who do not use every tool at their disposal in the pursuit of power. The Twin Blades of Arete know this well, and I greatly admire them for it. But Kjeld knows that it is not power that defines the good and the evil, and I admired their order for it. But I do not admire projection....
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A guild-spy can gather information about the guild internal/secreat rules and goals; guild and member behaviour, strenghts, missions and skills; way of thinking and/or dealing with internal and external situations.
Some guilds already have usefull knowledge that provide a boost to members strengths.
Don\'t forget the power of detailed maps of dificult/labirinthic areas, resource locations, trainers, skills, merchants, items, monsters, bandits, etc...
Quickly knowning who sells what at what price and where, provides a serious advantage, as you all may know.
The same can be said for trainning.
What good is there for a guild with plenty of weak dumb members ?
Now, how to deal with guild-spies ? We deal with it with various \"filter\" layers.
Our guild may have or not guild spies. No guild is imune to this.
Some guilds are harder to infiltrate than others. Some need a lot of time invested, others its as easy as finding an abandoned waybread.
I like to think that my guild is in the middle of this: It\'s a little hard to get in. One has to have at least will and lots of patience, because time is a very good filter ;)
After entering, the new member has very little access to what is known by the guild. Well, it has easy access to members tips and help, of course, but we like members that work for their knowledge, so, a guild-spy will have a hard time if he wants to access to higher ranks.
We have ways to \"teach\" or provide knowledge without dumping it the easy way to the new member.
If, by any chance, a guild-spy works hard enough to access most of the guild knowledge, well... he\'ll deserve that access since he worked for it anyway ;) ...and, usually, he had to provide and help the guild with even more data gathering, so... it\'ll be more or less a win/win situation.
If that guild-spy is inteligent enough, he\'ll come to the conclusion that he worked very hard to get all the information he got. Will he be stupid to give that hard-earned info to his lazy original-guild members ? Maybe. But, if that happens, we see no problem about it, since he already helped our guild with his work ;)
Is this a perfect system ? Nope, but at least we thought of it from the beginning.
At least we now know that some of our ideas are already being implemented in some new but already well respected and growing guilds, and that\'s very flattering :)
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Time is hardly a good filter against spies. If a spy is careless enough to get swayed by the longevity of his mission then probably he won\'t know what to do with the information anyway. Or the people it\'ll benefit will be as weakminded as a Trepor.
However I agree with you, it makes no difference if the spy gets away with some info, as long as he is repaying with some work.
It\'s folly to undertake the anti-spy policies of the other guilds, though. Each guild has a different knowledge to protect and different needs of protection. Your method might work for those who wish to gather knowledge, but it would be useless for those who have shadier plots with a stronger need of secrecy.
The Dark Empire for instance doesn\'t need to hide its plans. We don\'t go around shouting them, but we\'ll be sure to make them felt.
Let these \"Damned\" rejects attempt at our ranks. We will be pleased to deal with their kind.
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Originally posted by Sangwa
Time is hardly a good filter against spies. If a spy is careless enough to get swayed by the longevity of his mission then probably he won\'t know what to do with the information anyway. Or the people it\'ll benefit will be as weakminded as a Trepor.
As I said, it\'s just the first layer of filters.
We don\'t want dumb guild-spies. If we\'re going to get any guild-spies infiltrated in our ranks, at least let them be good ones that know what they are doing ;)
However I agree with you, it makes no difference if the spy gets away with some info, as long as he is repaying with some work.
That\'s the main reason of my post where applicable, of course, because, like you said:
It\'s folly to undertake the anti-spy policies of the other guilds, though. Each guild has a different knowledge to protect and different needs of protection. Your method might work for those who wish to gather knowledge, but it would be useless for those who have shadier plots with a stronger need of secrecy.
True :)
Some guilds have nothing to hide. Some don\'t even have anything to give, nor to protect. Some are only a bunch of clueless recruited members under the same name with nothing to do. Some may obey the guild leader, some may not even know who the heck is the leader or the purpose of their guild.
So, these anti-spy measures, if any, always depend of the guild, of course.
I know a couple of honey-pot guilds too. Specially created to attract guild-spies, with false and misleading information to \"share\", while trying to identify and maybe even counter-infiltrate into the guild-spy original guild. So... not even a guild-spy is safe in Yliakum ;)
The Dark Empire for instance doesn\'t need to hide its plans.
Yeah, yeah, we all know of your plans. The best known \"secret\" of Yliakum !!! [OOC: kiding, eheh ! ;)]
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Originally posted by Neryam
Or any other good guild for that matter.. I mean, sure it makes you uneasy and angry, but lets face it, WHO CARES?! :D What sensitive info can spies reveal to their guild that could hurt.. Guilds aren\'t complex enough (Well.. not enough tools thats one) to have secrets yet, and theres nothing inside that can really damage things when it gets out yet..
Actually we are aware of spies in our guild, and we do know who a few of them are. But we don\'t kick them out or anything, cause they don\'t do any harm (so far).
You are pretty wrong actually...
I\'m always aware that any guild can have spies... I was aware that KS would attract spies.
Any guild can be complex enough to have secrets. You just have to know how to organise it :P
I\'m pretty sure no guild is 100% spy-proof. Although it might take more time in one guild than in others. Then after they are in they still have to work to gain access to important information... :P
I\'m not more worried than I was before.
The Dark Empire for instance doesn\'t need to hide its plans.
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Yeah, yeah, we all know of your plans. The best known \"secret\" of Yliakum !!! [OOC: kiding, eheh ! ]
Secret objective?! OMG! *sends a few spies to DE* MWAHAHA! Your secrets shall be known!
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I\'m not spy-proof, but I don\'t have spies, or most likely don\'t now cause I got new members, but I went and picked them myself. Only three new members, making my total of real members about 5 or 6.
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seemed to have missed the DS, but we have kinda died cuz me (our leader) actually has a life (soccer, homework, etc...).
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I have a life, I just fit in PS around it... I skip homework usually, but I am doing my homework as I speak on the forums right now.
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Originally posted by Odessa Wildfire
Odessa bows mockingly...
Smrik?... I do more than smirk...sir! and I will share nothing with no one.
[EDIT] Dam signature setup.
Like I said the guy that taunts you from a distant and runs to the bush to hide at the sign of movement..
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News from Odessa states that the guild disbanded, my guess is they went into individual hiding, or maybe reside permanently in a few other guilds
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Originally posted by Suno_Regin
You know, Narcal was telling me that Yanshu might have been Aluna. And Aluna is the sister (or whatever relative) to you and Embers...Just a thought, but that raises a suspicion on my part
I resent that accusation! 8o . How can narcal come to that conclusion when he has no proof or solid facts.
Alot of rumours are being spread about at the moment and I will tell you this:
Yes I have had interactions with the guild known as \'The Damned\', but in a cold day the death realm would I ever consider joining them! X( .
Its my reason now to believe this \'Rumour\' has been setup up to deliberately arouse mistrust in myself. I know my recent actions and moods have been highly erratic. And I dont expect anyone to understand.
So that is what I plan to do, clear up the missunderstandings... with or without Odessa`s permission, I will try to explain what I can from my side. Its not as complicated as it sounds, just alot of lies and deception.
Im aware by saying this I will now make myself a target to those whom wish this story to remain untold.
I dont know what has happened to Odessa, I have been out of town for the last week.
She has chosen her path, and now I will walk my own. At least now I wont have her watching my every move or mistake.
Now If you will excuse me... I have alot of work ahead of me.
[EDIT: Dam typos and grammer check]
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Originally posted by Aluna Brightburn
So that is what I plan to do, clear up the missunderstandings... with or without Odessa`s permission, I will try to explain what I can from my side. Its not as complicated as it sounds, just alot of lies and deception.
Im aware by saying this I will now make myself a target to those whom wish this story to remain untold.
Odessa gives a devilish half-smile
No you wont my dear... Now nobody will hear you or your screams.
Odessa gives a dark look to all, bows mockingly and leaves
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Well that don\'t seem good....
Farren scratches his head in thought...