PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Vengeance on November 21, 2002, 06:31:35 am
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I\'m considering moderating the boards here more strictly and I want the community\'s opinion on it.
Right now, I really don\'t delete very much--just things I think are offensive or contrary to the formation of this community.
I\'m feeling though that maybe the inanity on our boards has reached new depths and it needs to be filtered more. Please vote below and comment to make your opinion heard.
- Vengeance
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well i might be new her and everything but I think there should be nicely moderated and thing not involing the game should be taken out. but if they invole the game even inately they should, and the forum where you can basically talk about anything really shouldn\'t be moderated too much
Fell the blood run cold
Through the hands of the old
as the memory grows cold
they just did what they were told
Velamos Swiftblade
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I think my opinion is pretty well known already. Some inanity can be fun but there are a few topics here that I certainly feel have gotten out of hand.
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I agree, yet I would be wary about giving mods too much power. I used to play a MUD called WOTMUD (http://www.wotmud.org) which was great for a bit, but then the admins started getting \"stricter\" on the boards, deleting many threads that criticized the behavior of an immortal or high-ranking mortal (Even when, as usually the case, it was justified). It was sad to see that game also go down the drain.
But yes, idiotic posts could be deleted up to a point. Could someone post a link to an example?
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I\'ve been on the boards awhile and I feel you do a perfect job...Why and the world do you need to be stricter? Well you already delete most my posts anyway so, what the hell :P
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Just to be clear, I am not contemplating deleting posts which are critical of Planeshift or of me or whatever. Those are clearly valid uses of this message board.
Examples of candidate posts/threads for deletion are:
http://www.planeshift3d.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=1977&boardid=13&styleid=1
http://www.planeshift3d.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=2010&boardid=1&styleid=1&page=1#10
or
http://www.planeshift3d.com/forum/thread.php?boardid=11&styleid=1&threadid=1951 at the bottom.
- Vengeance
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Well, we asked for a Off-Topic Forum to talk about whatever and flame people and stuff, we asked many times, but I don\'t believe we have one.
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I think that stricter moderation here would do no harm at all. Seeing the threads you linked to Veng, it seems that it would be a good thing - most of what is written there has no value, after all this forum was set up to aid in the development process and to let us all have our say. Saying that, I do think some of the more chatty posts are useful and help build the community, I guess you\'ll just have to use your judgement on an individual basis.
You can undertstand though, because Atomic has been with us for so long, many threads have gone a bit off topic, but I\'m sure with Molecular on the horizon, much of the talk will revert back to specific PS issues. At the end of the day, I guess you should moderate the forum to get out of it what the developers want and the what the users need to get most out of PS. As long as you can cope with the extra hassles more moderation brings.
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I think it would be good to be a little bit more strict, not very much though...every now and then let one slip that is not too far off-topic
But, if people want to have fun they should just go to Kada\'s boards, these are for planeshift and should stay about planeshift
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Venge, the first post you listed I agree on the other two I don\'t think need to be deleted but I don\'t think they need to stay either. Don\'t know if you wanted specific opinions or not but theres mine. :)
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Hmm, tough one.
I, for one, don\'t mind off topic-posts, since that is simply part of a community. When you \'talk\' with each other like this, it\'s obvioust that sometimes you want to chat about something else besides PlaneShift itself.
I can understand that certain people don\'t like these off-topic posts. Thats why i asked for an off-topic forum on these boards. But that was rejected. ;(
I voted for \'delete snide remarks but leave chatty posts\' Because I don\'t like flaming but i think there\'s nothing wrong with common talk every now and then. If you don\'t like it, just don\'t read it :)
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Very difficult issue, because whatever rules you try and standardise on there will always be someone who stretches them to their absolute limit. This then causes problems with those moderators who are either eager to flex their muscles or have a predeliction towards clumsy mass deletions, and it all sadly kind of tends to go downhill from there. On the web people are incredibly rude, graphic and flamey, mainly because it\'s so impersonal. I run a board with approx 5,000 new posts every day, and I\'ve found that the best approach when you start getting flamefests between people that won\'t back down is generally to drop them a mail rather than publicly deleting or locking threads (which usually prompts 5 new threads of \'my right to free speech\').
And Athelas, I don\'t know who you are or how long you played my mud, but sorry to see your comments. Believe me, running a board whilst keeping it vaguely civil which is populated by hardcore net gamers isn\'t easy =). Fyi, whilst you may have had your differences with an imm (I have no idea who), things have changed a bit, for example aennor quit (who was the most deletehappy imm) and we recorded a new high of 212 people online recently.
Nass,
WoTMUD.org
afterthought - about an off-topic board, we tried that, it failed (People went overboard in it). When I got back from a holiday to find threads in the garbage board with posts mocking kids with Down\'s Syndrome, I simply deleted the board, and 2 months later I\'m still feeling the benefit.
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Well this forum does not have thousands of posts (yet, maybe), so moderating it isn\'t that hard (concidering time). And i don\'t see the difference between breaking rules in an onn-topic or off-topic board.
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Originally posted by Link
Well, we asked for a Off-Topic Forum to talk about whatever and flame people and stuff, we asked many times, but I don\'t believe we have one.
I personally don\'t like off-topic forums unless they have well-thought out rules and not just \"anything off topic\" because there might be some good discussions there, and there might be annoying posts such as \"do you like this or that?\"
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Well the purpose of an Off-Topic forum is to keep such posts collected in one part of the forum. I think promoting the community in general will help promote the focused parts about the game as well.
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I read those 3 posts just now, and I can\'t believe it, I didn\'t take any major part in the off-topicism, just a few simple replies, maybe Venge doesn\'t hate me as much as he tells me.
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I have just read everything down now, and I theoritically agree with some people about things going too far and the need to stop them (I can remember some too long threads this summer, it\'s often hard to stop argumentations...).
But then I read the three candidates to deletion. I can\'t agree. I don\'t really see any problem with them, they\'re perhaps not about the game, but they can be interesting for the community, or a part of it. Anyway, they\'re not aggressive or anything. People should be able to decide if they want to read it or not. The only way post-deletion can be accepted is for freeing space disk on the server, and I don\'t think it is a major problem.
So, I definitively vote against censorship, and support the motion for an off-topic forum, just to improve the organisation.
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And Athelas, I don\'t know who you are or how long you played my mud, but sorry to see your comments. Believe me, running a board whilst keeping it vaguely civil which is populated by hardcore net gamers isn\'t easy =). Fyi, whilst you may have had your differences with an imm (I have no idea who), things have changed a bit, for example aennor quit (who was the most deletehappy imm) and we recorded a new high of 212 people online recently.
Nass,
WoTMUD.org
AAAAAAGGGGHHHH!!
OMG! That was such a scary post!
I try to find a nice out-of-the-way game, and Nass comes back to haunt me!
Ergh!
Anyway, ;) If Nass still is reading this, I am giving WoTMUD another try. However, reading the General boards from WotMUD (which I copy-and-pasted into a nice word document for my reading enjoyment) did not give me the best impression of the power structure. If you remember a certain thread about Cashel vs. Exvel, and Mikaela vs. the world (well, world-WT)...well...never mind. I\'m trying again with a cleared and open mind :)
>I\'ve found that the best approach when you start
>getting flamefests between people that won\'t back
>down is generally to drop them a mail rather than
>publicly deleting or locking threads (which usually
>prompts 5 new threads of \'my right to free speech\').
...which are summarily deleted. I tried a post about my findings in the forum, but it was repeatedly deleted until I made a post about deleting this post was proving my point. The post was locked :P
Anyhoo...I hope to see Nass again in WoTMUD, and the rest of you in PS.
OK, done with my self-indulgent post, you folks can go back on topic.
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Oh, and as for saving disk space, I suppose old/inactive posts can be deleted. Would an \"archive\" area, which was un-post-in-able, save any space? I ask because some forums have those, and always thought that that was the function.
In addition, once the game is up, to reduce costs, I propose that a signiture-pic-size limit should be imposed to reduce server strain and extend server life.
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Example: Elentor and I make silly stories on the RP board. You can call them off topic, since they aren\'t meant to be serious. Do you guys think posts such as those should be deleted? I don\'t think so.
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Actually Para those very posts crossed my mind when reading this thread. They are indeed inane but I think it would be a shame to delete them! Crack me up every time , love the \"illustrations\". I would consider them an example of \"good inanity\" if there is such a thing.
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I very much doubt that disk space is a problem, bandwith maybe, but old posts won\'t hurt that, I don\'t know about other people, but I spammed hard to get Tripel-Ass, and I don\'t wont to be Cool Newbie again.
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Oh, and Nass, the horrid forums you are talking about are the garbage forums. There is still a Player\'s lounge for un-on-topic stuff. Please put one in here too.
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Vengence, don;t become real harsh, but do hold your ground.. no one likes a power hungry mod or Op (not saying you are) just some words of wisdom for the PS community, and you
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Damn do you know how many times i was bumped back down to ass because of venge and other mods deleting my useless gibberish??
I should be atleast a triple as right now ur sum\'n.
it don\'t really bother me at all though cause I\'m working on another spam assault that will be 5 time worse than any ever!!
*laughs evily*
j/k
:)
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I couldn\'t show examples of flames and *really* stupid stuff, because I delete it immediately when I see it. :-)
The fans have spoken. I will get a little bit stricter about off-topic posts but I will leave the posts which seem to further the community.
Furthermore, I will see to it that people get banned if they repeatedly and willfully break the rules.
- Venge
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Venge I hope you intend on following through on this and I understand your time is limited but there seem to be a plethora of posts that should have been deleted pooping up this past week.
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I more or less check the forums daily. I skipped a couple here because I was travelling due to the Thanksgiving holidays.
If you think I am overlooking something, you can always click the \"report\" button on the post you dont\' like and I will get an email immediately about it, ensuring that I don\'t overlook it.
- Venge
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Thankyou, I figured you were busy over the holidays :) RL first! I had forgotten about that report function.
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I think that it is fine to implement such a thing, but not too strict.
Though this isn\'t needed too much yet because there is little to talk about, and the community is small.
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will molecular blue have combat in it because i need something to do in the game while i wait for about 2 years for the game to come out.(yes, i did already ask this but nobody answered my question 8o )
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Originally posted by rathma
will molecular blue have combat in it because i need something to do in the game while i wait for about 2 years for the game to come out.(yes, i did already ask this but nobody answered my question 8o )
NO there will NOT be COMBAT AT ALL
now stop posting it everywhere!
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Please, post this in a better area!
This topic has nothing whatsoever to do with combat in Molecular Blue, and this question has been awnsered already many times. Look in topics with related titles or use the search function, do not post in topics that are unrelated.
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I think the Mods are doing a fine job. Sure there are occaisional flame wars, or occaisional off-topic posts, but they\'re relatively low in number, and can in many cases be a good laugh. =P Keep it up just as you\'re doing it.