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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: seperot on December 01, 2005, 12:21:51 am
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Welcome One and All To The Shaded Whisper
A Place where you can hire Yliakum\'s finest for whatever your needs may be, espionage, thievery, assassination, or what ever the client has in mind we have the people to carry out the job. Our middle man style will always leave both our members and your safety at heart.
Now I\'m sure some of you are going \"Spying is wrong! and you cant steal or kill people!\" well to answer your slow unworldly minds of such problems i will grant you answers. Firstly and formostly, this guild is heavily steeped in \'role play\' meaning that for Stealing and most forms of Assassination The client must be playing fair with the subject involved. We do however issue our members with a contract or \"certificate\" if you like that he may issue to the targeted person to inform them this is a role playing act and to ask for cooperation. this however cannot be done if the target has no brain mass or cannot rp. for such people our other service of assassination is available on the almost basic fact that this type of person will automatically accept challenges. as for the Spying aspect of this guild, once more a heavy sense of RP is in forced. our members Are there just to preform there hired duty and just like in any real fair role play of a war between 2 guilds or just 2 gangs people spy on other people and so we provide the service.
Notes about the service: We do not offer a \"If i pay you more you will kill the man who hired you\" policy as our members will never know who hired them and we respect our clients privacy. however if you do find out who it is we will be just as willing to carry out the same task to them for the same fee.
We also do not offer a \"safety\" service, as to pay for your safety when there are others willing to pay more for tasks put againced you it eventually adds up.
Anyone is elligible to hire out our members, who, where, and prices are all discussed in a personal meeting either in our world or though chat services until our website is ready.
Interested in Joining? You may PM me at any time or contact me on IRC for further details. It dose not matter to us if you are already in a guild/cult/religion/gang so long as you are willing to do a task when it is assigned to you
Question\'s or Comments?
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Hmm. Seems like the Dark Empire is going to have a little competition again.:)
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naa we can take them
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As long as there\'s conflict, our interests are served. ;)
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Originally posted by zanzibar
Hmm. Seems like the Dark Empire is going to have a little competition again.:)
It rather appears to me that Dark Empire could have use of Shaded Whisper...
I honestly don\'t see how two guilds with completely seperate goals could have a competition...
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Originally posted by Draklar
Originally posted by zanzibar
Hmm. Seems like the Dark Empire is going to have a little competition again.:)
It rather appears to me that Dark Empire could have use of Shaded Whisper...
I honestly don\'t see how two guilds with completely seperate goals could have a competition...
The dark empire also offers to assassinate people for a fee. At the very least, you might have a price war.
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Back when I was in DE, that function was so unimportant that not even worth mentioning.
This job is the main function of The Shaded Whisper, whilst something really minor for Dark Empire. It\'s like saying Bakers Guild forms competition for Dark Empire, since the latter has a cook who earns money by baking bread.
I seriously doubt Dark Empire members have the sort of role-playing skills to pull it off as skillfully as Shaded Whisper has potential to.
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Originally posted by Draklar
Back when I was in DE, that function was so unimportant that not even worth mentioning.
This job is the main function of The Shaded Whisper, whilst something really minor for Dark Empire. It\'s like saying Bakers Guild forms competition for Dark Empire, since the latter has a cook who earns money by baking bread.
I seriously doubt Dark Empire members have the sort of role-playing skills to pull it off as skillfully as Shaded Whisper has potential to.
Hmm. Of course, you would know about the workings of the dark empire than I would.
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Well, I don\'t know what I should think of a guild that focuses on espionage, thievery and assassination. ;)
However, I hope this guild takes RP really as serious as it was said in the first post, because this is probably the only right way such a guild can exist. Otherwise, I\'m afraid it would drift into mass challenges, and that is the last thing a guild should do.
Anyways, I wish you good luck with your guild and a good piece of RP!
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Originally posted by Thoronador
However, I hope this guild takes RP really as serious as it was said in the first post, because this is probably the only right way such a guild can exist. Otherwise, I\'m afraid it would drift into mass challenges, and that is the last thing a guild should do.
Knowing Sep, I think it\'s safe to assume that the guild will keep its role-playing standard ;)
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Thanks Draklar :)
Yes I do intend to force a strong sence of RP into this :)
Part of the idea is people complain theres not enough evil in game and so forth. so by having a guild who\'s accepts contracts for killing stealing ans spying in a role play way is a good way to cause a darker side to PS :)
Also i dont quite know why anyone is comparing the guild to the DE. thats like chalk and cheese :P if anything i would expect it be compared to the old Shadowhand guild since using the privacy of members :)
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Yeah, that\'s right. We do have a Bounty Service (http://users.fragnetics.com/darkempire/BOUNTIES.HTML), however it\'s very different from this one.
Anyway, I\'m guessing only shady guilds and individuals will be hiring the Shaded Whisper. This will not contribute a whole lot to a firmer presence of evil, but simply make it so that the current evil people will have better means to achieve their goals.
Now, as far as my knowledge can reach, there are only two non-secret \"evil\" guilds: the Dark Empire and the Infinite Warriors. I\'m guessing your help won\'t be that appreciated by the latter, so Sangwa\'s gonna be your main client :P.
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Oh im sure not just evil people will use this service.. Why should only an evil guild get an edge on the Good guilds? the good guilds should get an advantage on the evil to know of there attacks too!
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Originally posted by seperot
Oh im sure not just evil people will use this service.. Why should only an evil guild get an edge on the Good guilds? the good guilds should get an advantage on the evil to know of there attacks too!
As soon as a good character begins to use the tools of evil, then they lose something of themselves and their values.
If a good character or guild resorts to assassination, theivery, slander, etc, then are they still good? I think you can be alligned with good and be at the same time Machiavellian, but it\'s definately a different kind of good than someone who has a strong personal code prohibiting such tactics.
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Originally posted by zanzibar
If a good character or guild resorts to assassination, theivery, slander, etc, then are they still good? I think you can be alligned with good and be at the same time Machiavellian, but it\'s definately a different kind of good than someone who has a strong personal code prohibiting such tactics.
So chaotic-good...
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good to know, .... should solve a few problems of mine.
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zanzibar as i think i\'ve pointed out before....good and evil is in the eye of the beholder.....so to some \"good\" people this is an efficant solution to others it is not its up to them to choose not me :)
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Originally posted by seperot
zanzibar as i think i\'ve pointed out before....good and evil is in the eye of the beholder.....so to some \"good\" people this is an efficant solution to others it is not its up to them to choose not me :)
Trust me, you don\'t have to convince me that good and evil are subjective.
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People seeing things differently doesn\'t equal good and evil being relative.
It\'s like when someone who is colour-blind says that a green pencil is red, the colour of the pencil automatically becomes relative :P
Pseudo-philosophers :P
Seperot, replace \'good\' with \'right\' and \'evil\' with \'wrong\' and your sentence will make sense ;)
I think your clients would rather think \"I do the right thing\" (or wrong, if in exceptional case someone crosses his moral values, forced to do it).
We\'ll talk about it on msn someday \\o/
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Oh im sure not just evil people will use this service.. Why should only an evil guild get an edge on the Good guilds? the good guilds should get an advantage on the evil to know of there attacks too!
Then I don\'t think this will contribute to the presence of evil in Yliakum at all :P.
Good and Evil are relative only as long as they\'re being discussed by different social groups. Personal opinions have little weight, seeing that these are social concepts.
So, should you ever wonder if something\'s good or evil, try to think what your (our) society would think of it.
Nowadays we don\'t need (pseudo)philosphers to discuss stuff like this. That\'s why we\'ve got Sociologists and Psycologists.
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Originally posted by Sangwa
Then I don\'t think this will contribute to the presence of evil in Yliakum at all :P.
Shady business becoming part of culture of Yliakum would bring much more to the evil side than a guild which is seperate from it and can be ridden off by simple force rather than global culture-changing movement...
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So this one is serious? This is not for the average cake lover eh? Hmm, are you going to try and bring it ingame sep? Because in the time ive been playing you seem not to have the time :(.
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I\'ve been in little bits....i dont see anyone so play kill the rats...then die cause i cant be bothered to leave the DR...then play again a few days later and repeate..
what i would like is if somebody told me there ingame so i could have out n stuff :P
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Shady business becoming part of culture of Yliakum would bring much more to the evil side than a guild which is seperate from it and can be ridden off by simple force rather than global culture-changing movement...
What? Didn\'t you say chaotic-good would also benefit from this?
People will stay as shadier, they will just have better means to succeed in it. How can a guild of mercenaries spawn evil?
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It\'s quite simple, really.
When you\'re offering such services, they become more common. something that was distant from a culture, now becomes a part of it. At first you have only shady characters using those, but things are changing. When something is common, people are more certain to reach for it. Assassination stops being seen as something so utterly wrong. New ideas emerge. Murder the tyrant, discourage the merchant who became a strong competition for you, or find out how come he\'s so good at everything. With time more and more characters would use such services and the culture would change into more dark one. What would be seen as \'evil\', might change quite a bit from the real meaning of this word. New generations, raised up in such environment would have disturbed view on what is good and what is evil. They would see assassination and spying as something much more normal than what it was considered by a generation before. The services would gain more and more costumers, eventually turning Yliakum into a dark world, where trust is no longer present in such a high form. Friend would spy on friend, just to make sure he doesn\'t plan to murder him.
Influencing culture is the best way to gain control in a long run. You can use force only when your power is amazing or when you want fast results. You have to keep in mind however, that people will unite against you. The former way would rather bring you followers.
From economic point of view, you\'d have a stable, self-enlarging market, where more and more types of characters decide to use your services. If dealing with shady characters only, you don\'t influence anything. There\'s already a market in a certain form and it won\'t change in any way. That is unless you could come up with new services. But even then, as long as you limit yourself to dark characters, you don\'t influence world in any stronger way, nor do you join any stable market.
Even when good guilds might decide to go on a hunt for evil, the Whisper would remain much more safe, seeing as it might be accepted by a lot of commoners. The will to fight it wouldn\'t be strong enough.
And thus, in case of good side taking a lead, there\'s still one source of evil that wouldn\'t be really hunted to death.
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Oh, so it\'s this easy to fool Good people?
Predictions are just predictions. It depends if someone would find them to be evil. Or if the \"middle agent\" would be slain.
I don\'t think you\'re able to accuretly predict the future, so I still don\'t think this will improve the presence of evil, based on the fact that only people who are already shady will be using it. There might be some exceptions, sure, but they won\'t be more than that.
When you claim your guild is a \"Place where you can hire Yliakum\'s finest for whatever your needs may be, espionage, thievery, assassination, or what ever the client has in mind\" you\'re already defying some people\'s moral.
For example, I guess the Defenders would be opposed to this commerce of death and disorder.
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Hmm, that way, organisations could war against other without putting uninvolved persons at risk, ..., by a contest of wealth (or \"who can pay the assasins?\")...
It is not such an evil thing at all in my eyes just discrete.
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Originally posted by Sangwa
I don\'t think you\'re able to accuretly predict the future,
I am, by looking at history and basic human psychology.
Mirth is the goody-good guild which opposes all evil-doing and stuff, right? What did they do in the Cabal age, when spying was at its peak? They spied as well. So did Rangers. And the Dark Empire, despise opposing such form of spying at first.
Is it easy to fool good people? Yes.
Fooling people is easy in general. That\'s what nowadays marketing is all about. Maybe not as much fooling, but strong influencing for sure. And medias? That is a big dose of turning people into fools. Not to mention internet sites, where people can put all sorts of weird content and some of the others will actually believe it.
Back to the dark ages, burning times? That is a good example of how easy it is to fool people. All you do is throw a well made propaganda of what is good and what is evil and suddenly people are cheering you for using political move to get rid of people you don\'t like.
And then you have holy wars, in which you send insane number of children doomed to be slaughtered by your foes, or send army yourself, slaughtering whole city. Still holy.
Or accuse warrior-merchant organisation of devil worshipping.
When pope was throwing a curse at a country, people actually believed it would work. A king would be overthrown just because he annoyed the pope.
As long as you know what you\'re doing, fooling people isn\'t hard at all.
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Another more easy to swallow note as to why no one will bother to attack the Whisper is they only know me anyone else is unknown....plus spying on us is impossible since my own members wont know who else is in the guild :)
But it seems i cant slide much by Draklar >.>
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Originally posted by Draklar
People seeing things differently doesn\'t equal good and evil being relative.
It\'s like when someone who is colour-blind says that a green pencil is red, the colour of the pencil automatically becomes relative :P
Pseudo-philosophers :P
Seperot, replace \'good\' with \'right\' and \'evil\' with \'wrong\' and your sentence will make sense ;)
I think your clients would rather think \"I do the right thing\" (or wrong, if in exceptional case someone crosses his moral values, forced to do it).
We\'ll talk about it on msn someday \\o/
On pencils and colour: Colour does not exist except as an idea. Colour only exists in the mind. What light has is \"Frequency\", not colour.
To one person, a certain frequency inspires a certain colour. To another person, the same frequency inspires a different colour. The colour does not objectively exist in the pencil. It is, literally, in the eye of the beholder.
For good and evil, a materialist or positivist world does not have such things. In that world, all that exists are ideas that belong to people, and those ideas are relative, malleable, fickle, and evolving. If you make some sort of assumptive, prescriptive, non-relative value statement, then good and evil adopt an objective social reality. If that statement or conclusion is rooted in objective fact, if it\'s \"really real\", then good and evil have an objective reality period. But such things are difficult or impossible to prove since you\'re getting into the area of metaphysics.
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Originally posted by zanzibar
On pencils and colour: Colour does not exist except as an idea. Colour only exists in the mind. What light has is \"Frequency\", not colour.
To one person, a certain frequency inspires a certain colour. To another person, the same frequency inspires a different colour. The colour does not objectively exist in the pencil. It is, literally, in the eye of the beholder.
Different perception of frequency is called colour blindness. Going all technical won\'t make your statement any more true. Use logic instead of fancy words.
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Originally posted by Draklar
Originally posted by zanzibar
On pencils and colour: Colour does not exist except as an idea. Colour only exists in the mind. What light has is \"Frequency\", not colour.
To one person, a certain frequency inspires a certain colour. To another person, the same frequency inspires a different colour. The colour does not objectively exist in the pencil. It is, literally, in the eye of the beholder.
Different perception of frequency is called colour blindness. Going all technical won\'t make your statement any more true. Use logic instead of fancy words.
This is not going technical.
This is not using fancy words.
This is not illogical.
Light does not have colour. Colour only exists in the mind. Light has frequency, but different people can percieve the same frequency as different colours. This is a pretty basic concept.
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I am, by looking at history and basic human psychology.
*laughs*
I guess we\'ll see it then.
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Very nice, zanzibar. You expect discussion to move on by repeating what you said before without adding anything new? Here\'s a quote for you:
some people are born seeing colors differently or not at all; see color blindness
Sangwa: Yeah, go on and laugh.
But you predict that nothing will change because Seperot isn\'t offering his services to evil people only, based on... nothing.
While I base my prediction on history and basic psychology (which is exactly how things are done in marketing and economics).
Very good possition to laugh about anything there..
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No... I\'m saying I don\'t think this guild will contribute that much to the presence of evil either ways. Because it\'s obvious that you must lack some moral to resort to the kind of services this guild offers. Just because you own a sword it doesn\'t mean you have to kill people with it.
If you told me you are predicting a \"possible future\" then I wouldn\'t be in a position to laugh. But you\'re saying you are a able to \"predict the future.\"
The only way you can take this smile off my face is by actually getting Seperot to fullfil this destiny you foretold.
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Hello...
I\'ve been reading most of your discussions (hard to avoid since they are to be found everywhere) and there are some things I don\'t understand.
Draklar said:
I am, by looking at history and basic human psychology.
Mirth is the goody-good guild which opposes all evil-doing and stuff, right? What did they do in the Cabal age, when spying was at its peak? They spied as well. So did Rangers. And the Dark Empire, despise opposing such form of spying at first.
It seems to me that this is an example of bad RP more than anything else. Did all these guilds spy IC or did they infilitrate the enemy guilds with alts? Cause if they didn\'t do it IC, I don\'t see how this would fit in a discussion on good and evil.
Also, maybe it\'s just me, but do these dicussions have to be everywhere? :/ You read about a guild and all of a sudden there\'s this neverending alignment discussion. For people who are just after reading updates about the guild and such, it can be quite annoying. I saw there is a good thread about this in the wish list forum so couldn\'t the discussions be held there?
And if it turns out I\'m the only one being bothered by this, I apologize.
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Bah, go away. We\'re trying to have some fun here.
People have the right to report stuff to the moderators though, and they have the right to warn us. I guarantee myself and Draklar know how to behave after properly been told how.
Also, this discussion is not about good and evil. It\'s about Draklar\'s psychic powers.
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Also, this discussion is not about good and evil. It\'s about Draklar\'s psychic powers.
Oh sorry...I thought it was a discussion on good and evil, which could have gone a little off-topic. But if it\'s about Draklar\'s psychic powers then it\'s ok I guess ;)
If you\'re having fun then I won\'t stop you. It\'s what playing a game is about after all...
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We\'re discussing how Shadow Whisper could influence the world in case of good vs. evil, actually.
Originally posted by Father Sengus
It seems to me that this is an example of bad RP more than anything else. Did all these guilds spy IC or did they infilitrate the enemy guilds with alts? Cause if they didn\'t do it IC, I don\'t see how this would fit in a discussion on good and evil.
Yes, but that\'s part of my point. At first none of these guilds would do something like that, but once it became a common phenomenon, they just joined it.
\"If someone else does it, I can do it as well\". Plus, there was that factor of mistrust. It seemed better to send a spy to other guild, just to make sure you aren\'t spied on yourself. There was even case of double spy, I think I remember who that was, but I\'ll go shh ;)
Sangwa... Again, what I do to predict future is commonly used in economy. You can make fun of it, but it\'s important part of making any strategic decission. Good luck in guild leading if you lack the ability to do so...
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At first none of these guilds would do something like that, but once it became a common phenomenon, they just joined it.
Well I understand why more and more guilds decided to do it, but I still cannot see how it is connected to good and evil. Here\'s how I see it:
Some people who usually RP evil characters decided to start spying with alts, which is an OOC method and thus also bad RP.
Characters in good guilds heard about the spying and decided to take revenge by infiltrating enemy guilds with alts, once again bad RP. So it was not the good characters who decided to use of evil methods...it was bad RP:ers.
Do you understand what I mean?
I\'m not after showing flaws in your example but rather after getting a good example. Maybe the best way to do this is to give another example that involves good RP and where good people make use of evil methods just because they have become common.
Oh and about being tired of these discussions. I think they are interesting but just don\'t like seeing them everywhere. I never meant to make you stop the ones that are already in process but rather not to start new ones everywhere. :)
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Well, actually no.
1) Alt-spying despise being bad RP, was used as a form of role-playing. So people from good guilds were using it as a form of role-playing as well. And if they just role-played wrongly, then it is simple to assume bad RP will be repeated. Thus example stays correct.
2) People in real life, just like in game have their sets of morals. If we assume alt-spying to be ooc, then it had to do with moral values of the players. Values that were put behind because the phenomenon was becoming very common. Which again proves, that the example stays correct.
2nd point deals with the good vs. evil bit. Players just like characters choose between good and evil.
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In economy one does not assume to know the future. Else, if something goes wrong, one loses much. Instead, you try to understand the variables that condition the future, in order to be ready for any kind of future.
And you\'re hardly apt to criticize my leadership.
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Originally posted by Sangwa
In economy one does not assume to know the future. Else, if something goes wrong, one loses much.
That would be called taking a risk, which as a matter of fact, is an important part of management. If you take a risk, success means gaining more than if you didn\'t take it. Now whether risk will turn out to be success or failure depends on the ability of planning and predicting customers\' behaviour. That\'s why researches are being launched and models like Spider\'s Web one (which by the way is all about using past to predict the future) created.
If you are good - you gain. Bad - you lose. Or you can decide to stay away from risking, but without risk you aren\'t likely to become better than others.
War is example of such risk. You are doing research on how strong enemy\'s forces are and look into the past to know how enemy does in battles. Then you make a decission - declare war or not. Depending on whether you predict to win or lose.
Woo..! Economics studies prove to be useful \\o/ :P
And I believe as long as I can well describe flaws in someone\'s leadership, I am in position to criticize it. Or do you see any reason that isn\'t a logical fallacy, why it isn\'t so..?
Don\'t think I need to discuss it any further. I explained where my assumptions about Seperot\'s move come from quite well. Now you are free to disagree with them, but laughing it out is just lame.
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Originally posted by Draklar
Well, actually no.
1) Alt-spying despise being bad RP, was used as a form of role-playing. So people from good guilds were using it as a form of role-playing as well. And if they just role-played wrongly, then it is simple to assume bad RP will be repeated. Thus example stays correct.
2) People in real life, just like in game have their sets of morals. If we assume alt-spying to be ooc, then it had to do with moral values of the players. Values that were put behind because the phenomenon was becoming very common. Which again proves, that the example stays correct.
2nd point deals with the good vs. evil bit. Players just like characters choose between good and evil.
Alt spying is out of character if your main character is a kran and your spy is an enki.
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Originally posted by Draklar
Very nice, zanzibar. You expect discussion to move on by repeating what you said before without adding anything new? Here\'s a quote for you: some people are born seeing colors differently or not at all; see color blindness
Sangwa: Yeah, go on and laugh.
But you predict that nothing will change because Seperot isn\'t offering his services to evil people only, based on... nothing.
While I base my prediction on history and basic psychology (which is exactly how things are done in marketing and economics).
Very good possition to laugh about anything there..
If almost everyone was colour blind, then people who were born \"normal\" would be the ones percieved as different. You\'re missing the point. You said:
\"It\'s like when someone who is colour-blind says that a green pencil is red, the colour of the pencil automatically becomes relative \"
\"Different perception of frequency is called colour blindness. Going all technical won\'t make your statement any more true. Use logic instead of fancy words.\"
You\'re wrong on quite a few levels. The colour of the pencil was relative to begin with because the colour isn\'t ~in~ the pencil, it\'s ~in~ the observer. Such is true for all aspects of social reality, even if there\'s concensus on something. We can all agree on something 100%, but it might still be relative. And then you went off and said something about technical words and going fancy and repeating myself, which was just silly. Maybe you should dedicate less of your posts to insults and more of your time to reading what you\'re replying to. And no, I\'m not disagreeing with you for the heck of it. I honestly disagree with what you\'re saying.
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Good GOD zanzibar Just please stop posting on any thread started by me please god. and if you feel that need to argue with draklar, DONT!
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Sorry everyone else :)
There seems to be some confusion about the members so let me clear it up
Members of the guild will never ever be announced. Noone will have to admit that there part of the guild either.
Also if you feel the job you had been set is unfair you may debate the cause with me. if i find the reason fair i will choose someone else :)
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I have no idea why people are discussing color-blindness in a guild thread, but please avoid any off-topic tangents from now on, as they will be deleted. You can continue this in Hydlaa Plaza - and if there was a way to split threads I would do it in a second. It\'s fine for threads to accumulate several posts that may lead the general topic into a different direction, but those directions should not be pursued this far. So please remember what this thread was originally for, and show a little respect to its creator :>
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As you wish.
I was wondering Seperot... What if someone accidently manages to target one of your members?
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hummm good question sangwa.
In the rare case that a member gets a hit targeted on him we would have to talk to the member and make a choice from theere outcome ;)
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I would use another method, but I think that one can work out too ^^.
Plus, will your members know each other?
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No, All members will have contact with me but wont have contact with other members and will never know who they are. this is for a good number of reasons, one being Spying on us...i dont think i could face the irony alone of that one. also it keeps any mistaken slippage of whos in the guild from happening, making sure that all members are safe :)
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so that the shadow hand case isnt repeated or something?
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yes that is another reason :) learn from others mistakes as well as your own.
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Originally posted by seperot
hummm good question sangwa.
In the rare case that a member gets a hit targeted on him we would have to talk to the member and make a choice from theere outcome ;)
That\'s a non outcome. Either you kill him, or you don\'t. If you don\'t, you\'ve outed him, and he must now leave the guild.
Thus, you must only involvemembers with low profiles and few or no enemies.
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Originally posted by zanzibar
Originally posted by seperot
hummm good question sangwa.
In the rare case that a member gets a hit targeted on him we would have to talk to the member and make a choice from theere outcome ;)
That\'s a non outcome. Either you kill him, or you don\'t. If you don\'t, you\'ve outed him, and he must now leave the guild.
Thus, you must only involvemembers with low profiles and few or no enemies.
im sorry since when did you give out my guild info? my statement stands and yours is incorrect :)
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sorry to momenterily hijack your fine thread here my dear seperot, but i would like to direct a short question at sangwa. the question is concerning the outcome of his dark council meeting, did it ever happen, maybe you could drop me a pm? thanks.
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My ALT, Xilam, would be good for this guild. (if it is a guild, if it\'s just a name, but hasn\'t really been -created- ingame, then nevermind, but it sounds interesting.)
He takes up any job he can find, and also participates in any fight. He normally tries to keep silent, though sometimes people can strike a conversation with him.
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Suno i cannot create this guild ingame....one for the fact that once members join they can see one another...and for another i would need 5 members to sign....
actually i was wondering...could i get 5 people to sign on then kick out all the members exept me and my left hand man?
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No, but wouldn\'t it be a lot easier to just make it a hidden guild? :/
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sep it says in th guild rules once your limit drops past 5 you have 5 minutes to get to 5 again.
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ah then no i cant sumo... im my guild layout there will ony be 3 people ever known to the public. me my right and and my left hand men...asideds that all will not be know....so sorry the guild will never be offical ingame since i can never verifie it...
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two of you could always make a random alt who is never to be seen again... and depending on what bugs are around you may even be able to delete that char and have a \'ghost\' of it remain in the guild.
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I feel I should say... there are three public figures... one of which (incase you didn\'t know) is me...
Drey: I have an alt char already. An enki, who I use for when I wanna do stuff around Ojava (I really don\'t have the time, energy or inclination to walk all that way)
Adios
Nebuduck (The man of the left hand)
(sorry, I never normally sign forum posts - I just had to mention me being the left hand man)
Join the sect of nebu and be happy for ever!!! (its a big promise, but if we don\'t deliver we\'ll give you free cake in the afterlife)
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need a criminal mastermind contact me name is waarie thoni
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This guild sounds pretty amazing. I'd join, but I don't think a person wth three days experience on Planeshift would be much help. XD