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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: shorty13 on December 16, 2005, 12:55:00 am

Title: Website
Post by: shorty13 on December 16, 2005, 12:55:00 am

First off, I am sorry for the placement of this thread, I\'m not sure where I should have put it.

Anyway, I wanted to make a new website for my guild and I was wondering what the best website (in your opinions of course) to make a completely free website without using any HTML at all.

thx.

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Post by: Karyuu on December 16, 2005, 12:56:07 am

Moved to Hydlaa Plaza :) Wish I could help, but I use Dreamweaver.

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Post by: zanzibar on December 16, 2005, 01:28:52 am

I\'ve used geocities for a variety of things.  There\'s a 5 meg per hour bandwidth limmit, which sucks, but its free.

If you know something better, I\'d like to hear it as well.

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Post by: shorty13 on December 16, 2005, 01:36:59 am

oh yeah, and what does that bandwith thing mean?  (not big on computers, just games :P )

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Post by: acraig on December 16, 2005, 03:59:01 am

Bandwidth means the amount of traffic you can support.  For example if you had an image on your wepage that was 1MB then if 5 people surfed to your site the webserver would have to serve that image 5 times = 5MB. If you are just hosting a small site without a lot of graphics you shouldn\'t have to worry about bandwidth too much.

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Post by: Kiirani on December 16, 2005, 05:45:57 am

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Originally posted by shorty13
First off, I am sorry for the placement of this thread, I\'m not sure where I should have put it.

Anyway, I wanted to make a new website for my guild and I was wondering what the best website (in your opinions of course) to make a completely free website without using any HTML at all.

thx.

Pretty much impossible, you need to use html, or something that will generate html (or xhtml) for you..  You could however, get something like dreamweaver, which comes with a way to edit it without directly editing the code, then sign up for a free webhost. I don\'t recommend any free webhosts :| most of them suck, but  freepgs (http://system.freepgs.com) isn\'t bad for an almost-free host.. You could also ask some people from the ps community to give you webspace :P

Also, I recommend if you\'re going to run a site, learn html and css, or get someone who knows them to run it for you. Using non-code editors probably won\'t give you the most valid code.

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Post by: Nebuduck on December 16, 2005, 08:31:05 am

/me would host your site... but my server\'s only been up for a couple of months and I still don\'t know how reliable it is, so you\'d be better off asking someone like *curses the name* jose.... there, it was hard for me to say it but jose may just have a better server than me...

Html is the easiest thing to learn. Ever. Kii will claim you need css cos she\'s big on that, but the most you\'re likely to need is a coupla styles at the top of the page. Anyway, thats easy to learn too. Give it a go..

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Post by: Syzerian on December 16, 2005, 10:33:51 am

Im using freewebs.com for my website. Only just started and dont know anything about their bandwidth limits yet. They provide templates if you want them and so far I havent needed to use any html.
I only wanted it for a place to put my characters story so Im not concerned much about my choice, but if you are wanting a decent sized and active guild it would most likely be best to pay for hosting, or as others have suggested ask someone with a server for hosting.

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Post by: Kiirani on December 16, 2005, 11:40:52 am

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/me would host your site... but my server\'s only been up for a couple of months and I still don\'t know how reliable it is, so you\'d be better off asking someone like *curses the name* jose.... there, it was hard for me to say it but jose may just have a better server than me...

Html is the easiest thing to learn. Ever. Kii will claim you need css cos she\'s big on that, but the most you\'re likely to need is a coupla styles at the top of the page. Anyway, thats easy to learn too. Give it a go..

You do need css. To my knowledge, the color attribute of most tags has been depreciated, as well as width and height. Css replaces these. Therefore, you need css if you\'re going to make a valid page.

Good luck getting it to work in all browsers -.-

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Post by: WiseKran on December 16, 2005, 02:26:59 pm

Here is a website made with freewebs, although I used HTML for it, and a template I modified with adobe.


http://www.freewebs.com/roteguild

At one point in time the website was very active, perhaps 15-20 guild members surfing at a time.  never had a bandwith problem


Take some time to learn a bit of basic HTML, its very easy

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Post by: Farren Kutter on December 16, 2005, 02:36:19 pm

I myself use Avid Gamers. Their newer version needs to be paid if you want pictures and sounds and a fully customizable site... But they have a free site and that is what I use... It comes with built in forums, and you can add content and stuff. The old version was so much better, but it was taken down for some reason that I used to know but have forgotten.

http://ag2.avidgamers.com

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Post by: Nebuduck on December 16, 2005, 05:29:55 pm

Kii:

<== yes, its a style, which is basically css, but it doesn\'t require all the complex classes and stuff which, frankly, confuses me badly...

*Nebuduck beams cos he actually used valid html for once...*

P.S. by classes I mean the \"p.blue { color:blue ; width:180 }\" - yes, it looks easy, but when you need to remember all the different names you gave stuff its a whole different kettle of phish.

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Post by: shorty13 on December 16, 2005, 08:18:15 pm

i\'ll try freewebs.com, seems to be working well.  However, I can\'t find a good forums hosting site.  Any anyone know of (of course free and no html)?

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Post by: Cha0s on December 16, 2005, 10:55:18 pm

http://www.ezboard.com
I\'d suggest Hostrocket for your webhosting, but I don\'t think they have an webpage editor. They give 25 MB storage, though, and a lot of bandwidth for a free site.

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Post by: Nebuduck on December 17, 2005, 01:51:33 am

Freewebs templates are ugly. And there\'s no pride in having a site some-one else designed. And there are thousands of freewebs sites and they all look the same. And a freewebs site just doesn\'t stand out. Do yourself a favour and spend ten minutes looking into html. Its absoloutly worth it. The whole idea of everything PSish is that its original, not based on an already used template.

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Post by: Kiirani on December 17, 2005, 06:41:05 am

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Kii:

<== yes, its a style, which is basically css, but it doesn\'t require all the complex classes and stuff which, frankly, confuses me badly...

*Nebuduck beams cos he actually used valid html for once...*

P.S. by classes I mean the \"p.blue { color:blue ; width:180 }\" - yes, it looks easy, but when you need to remember all the different names you gave stuff its a whole different kettle of phish.

That\'s still css, and it becomes messy when you want to change say, all the headings on all the pages.

Then you may as well have used font colours. Classes means one style sheet, many pages.. This means less painful editing when you change layout.

Also, you can COMPLETELY transform the shape of the site  in that one stylesheet if you want to.

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i\'ll try freewebs.com, seems to be working well.  However, I can\'t find a good forums hosting site.  Any anyone know of (of course free and no html)?

:| I would really suggest getting webhosting that allows php or something, then using a forum like phpbb...

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Post by: shorty13 on December 18, 2005, 02:26:17 am

thx for the help.  someone can lock or deleted this post how.

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Post by: Cha0s on December 18, 2005, 03:19:25 am

There are no free webhosts that allow MySQL databases, as far as I know, except those that require certain community things (i.e. waste a lot of time) to become a member of. That makes it hard to use phpBB, though that is a better option if you manage to find one. I\'ve look a long time, though, and I never found one.

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Post by: Karyuu on December 18, 2005, 03:34:09 am

I\'ve found several once, actually, so I know they\'re out there. Too bad I no longer have such things bookmarked - took a hell of a time to stumble upon :|

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Post by: Sharakaz on December 18, 2005, 01:13:34 pm

http://www.free-webhosts.com/free-mysql-database.php

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Post by: Cyl on December 18, 2005, 01:38:10 pm

If it\'s just for the web-design (i.e.: layout and placement of objects and layers, usage of CSS and such) I could probably help but my PHP knowledge is rather limited, especially if it comes down on databases, password encription and such...

and btw.:

div.classname {
zindex: x;
position: absolute;
height: y;
width: z;
}

is your friend, as long as you give it a top and left later on...