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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: Von H?rskiburg on December 16, 2005, 06:53:59 pm
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I bumped into this Blabbermouth article and found it quite amusing:
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=45647
I\'ve noticed at least a few fans of finnish metal here, who may find this interesting.
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Originally posted by Von H?rskiburg
I\'ve noticed at least a few fans of finnish metal here
I\'m one, Kary\'s second... Wonder if anyone else :P
The article is bleh, but the comments are fricken hilarious. From the people making statements about metalheads that is.
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I dont like metal at all it\'s to dark for me.
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Originally posted by yayoo
I dont like metal at all it\'s to dark for me.
Yeah, like Rhapsody, especially with their songs like \"The Last Winged Unicorn\", \"The Village of Dwarves\" or \"The March of The Swordmaster\".
...Sorry, just had to say it xD
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Metal! \\o/
Wooooo
:D
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\"AMERICAs music scene is FN PATHETIC!!! Look at usa billboard! SHEEP. \"
That\'s because here, metal is underground.
And seriously, that Finnish stuff I\'ve heard and just got another earful from that website is good, but it\'s not any heavier than Pantera! Listen to bands like Nile, Agoraphobic Nosebleed, and Pig Destroyer. Even Slayer\'s music is heavier in terms of songwritting, and there are non-metal \"hardcore\" bands like Converge that have evolved to be heavier as well.
Just a medium paced rock ballad set on loud isn\'t necessarily heavy. And then you have the other side of the spectrum; Melvins, Paradise Lost, Candlemass...
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American metal isn\'t any more underground than the European. I mean c\'mon, Manowar, Iced Earth, Slayer, Metallica?
And heavy or not, Finland, of course, owns all other countries music-wise. Most of the \"heavy\" stuff is pathetic anyway.
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You cant say one country has better music than others, in the morning we could wake up a hear about better bands from Africa and change or minds.I wasn\'t into rap music until I heard the wu-thang before that I tought the Dubliner\'s were the best band ever.
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Originally posted by yayoo
You cant say one country has better music than others, in the morning we could wake up a hear about better bands from Africa and change or minds.
Until that morning I shall keep saying Finnish music is the best.
And no one will beat Moonsorrow, ever :[
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bah come on.. i fall asleep to finnish metal..
It\'s either too Metallica like or goth \"pop\" bands with an annoying female vocalist in front. The rest is just a weird blend of ocuntry metal
I find all the new metal bands to be a bit cliche-like and the estabelished ones are switching over to a Metallica-like \"Commercial\" songwriting style. The future of metal is in danger
i\'ve listened to quite a few metal bands and i find that i now get a bit bored and move back to classic rock! (YAY FOR CCR, Led Zeppelin and all thos)
Have a nice wine-night folks,!
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Originally posted by Draklar
I\'m one, Kary\'s second... Wonder if anyone else :P
HEY! I saw Xordan expressing his feelings about this. He\'s one too. And me too. Though not only finnish...just gimme scandinavian. Viking metal all the way for me :) Nah anyway I like loads of metal but some sorts just go too far. Like Manowar. Too far.
But that\'s all matter of opinion I guess.
About the articles...I don\'t think finland is the most heavy metal country in the world. There\'s no such thing, everywhere there can be good metal :)
I\'M SEEING CHILDREN OF BODOM LIVE IN A FEW WEEKS!!!
Sorry...enthousiasm attack :D
Izz
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I agree classic rock, rocks!I never liked all these new dark devil goth guys, whatever happend to getting drunk and fighting?In Ireland we have a whole day for it called St.Paddys day.
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Originally posted by Sharakaz
I find all the new metal bands to be a bit cliche-like and the estabelished ones are switching over to a Metallica-like \"Commercial\" songwriting style. The future of metal is in danger
Then listen to the bands I listed....
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I think I\'m 4 then :D america\'s scene is not underground, but repressed, censors won\'t let most of it play (even edited). I listen regularaly to 4 of the bands on that site.
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Originally posted by JellyWerker
I think I\'m 4 then :D america\'s scene is not underground, but repressed, censors won\'t let most of it play (even edited). I listen regularaly to 4 of the bands on that site.
It\'s repressed, and it\'s not in the mainstream media, therefore it\'s underground.
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Originally posted by Sharakaz
bah come on.. i fall asleep to finnish metal..
By \"finnish metal\" do you understand bands like Stratovarius, Nightwish and Sonata Arctica
Or bands like Turisas, Ensiferum, Children of Bodom, Cadacross, Moonsorrow, Finntroll and Korpiklaani?
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I can\'t talk for others, but for me finish metal has a \"heavyness\" from within, to which bands like \"Slayer\", \"Mushroomhead\" or whatever not even get close, the hardness that isn\'t brought by screamed vocals and such.
Well my favourite wouldnt be fully finish, as the singer is a german and the band itself is connected to iceland.
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Originally posted by Cyl
Well my favourite wouldnt be fully finish, as the singer is a german and the band itself is connected to iceland.
Technically Falkenbach isn\'t a band, since Vratyas is the only full-time member :P
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Originally posted by Draklar
Originally posted by Sharakaz
bah come on.. i fall asleep to finnish metal..
By \"finnish metal\" do you understand bands like Stratovarius, Nightwish and Sonata Arctica
Or bands like Turisas, Ensiferum, Children of Bodom, Cadacross, Moonsorrow, Finntroll and Korpiklaani?
Agreed with Draklar. I don\'t know how you can actually find Finnish metal boring. But indeed, if you listen to bands like Nightwish and Sonata Arctica...
Hmmh I used to like Nightwish. But then they went too commercial, and nowaday they\'ve split up...Or no, they\'ve put Tarja out of the band.
Children of Bodom, Moonsorrow...FINNTROLL I don\'t know how you can find them boring. I mean...
Or is it just not hard enough for you? Because then you arrive at bands like Gorgoroth, who are not even music anymore. That\'s just...noize :D
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And since we\'re talking about Finnish metal, http://finntroll.net/videos.php. Whoever didn\'t see it yet, download now :D
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Trollhammaren is a good song and all, but Finntroll just isn\'t the same without Katla and Somnium :(
Jaktens Tid = One of the best albums in the world, IMO
I love many metal bands we have here in Finland but I wouldn\'t call our country the most heaviest in the world. It\'s pretty nice though to see so many metal bands in the top 40 :D
The ones that make it big aren\'t really from the heaviest end of the genre so it\'s understandable that some people abroad can get the idea that finnish metal isn\'t that heavy, only means one hasn\'t looked deep enough :P . When you listen for, say Ajattara, you simply can\'t claim it\'s not heavy X)
There\'s loads of good artists in other countries too that I think are really brilliant, mostly in europe, especially in Sweden and Norway. Like Einherjer, Thyrfing, Dark Tranquillity, Hypocrisy... (<3 melodic death, viking is good)
Oh well, don\'t even know if I had some point here :D
PS. if someone here likes Children of Bodom, I recommend to check out Kalmah (http://www.kalmah.com/downloads.htm) . I think they sound a bit similar (just better :)) )
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Wow...just checked out this Kalmah thingy...goddamn why haven\'t I found this earlier :D They\'re good.
Though I wouldn\'t say they\'re better than CoB :D But again, matter of personal opinion.
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Woah, Kalmah are awesome :D
It\'s hard to say which is better. But Kalmah seem to have a good grip of melody and apparently don\'t go over the top like CoB sometimes do.
Finland is still the only country of Power Metal with harsh vocals I know xD
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CoB and Kalmah are Power metal? When I hear Power metal I more think about ...manowar *shivers*...and Iced Earth and Kamelot and that sort of stuff...
Because normally I don\'t like power metal that much but if you say CoB and Kalmah are Power metal I guess I must like it.
By the way, here\'s the link to a little movie...It\'s a guy who has done something to his house on the song Wizards in Winter by Trans Siberian Orchestra. Not my type of metal, but what he\'s done is impressive.
http://media.putfile.com/WizardsofWinter-SM
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Originally posted by Izzy*dot
CoB and Kalmah are Power metal? When I hear Power metal I more think about ...manowar *shivers*...and Iced Earth and Kamelot and that sort of stuff...
Because normally I don\'t like power metal that much but if you say CoB and Kalmah are Power metal I guess I must like it.
Compare the music CoB and Kalmah are playing to that played by DragonForce, that should say enough ;)
Sometimes you\'d hear those bands being called \"extreme power metal\".
Edit: Hmm, metal-archives has both CoB and Kalmah categorized as \"power/speed metal with harsh vocals\"
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Originally posted by Draklar It\'s hard to say which is better. But Kalmah seem to have a good grip of melody and apparently don\'t go over the top like CoB sometimes do.
That\'s what I like about Kalmah, guess I\'m just a sucker for melodic aspects. It appeals to the romantic in me X)
One definition that stuck in my mind about CoB was: euro speed metal
*shrugh*
Labels, labels... :)
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/me <3\'s scandinavian metal :D hammerfall, helloween, sometimes even a little dimmu borgir (craziness I tell you!) I listen to 3 inches of blood on occcasion, but they scream too much and sound too feminine for me (the vocals that is) Slipknot is finnish? they were on that site... I\'ll have to check out some of those other bands though, a few look good.
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Originally posted by JellyWerker
/me <3\'s scandinavian metal :D hammerfall, helloween, [...]
o_O
Helloween and all the other fathers of Power Metal are German...
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helloween is german? I never noticed that, whoops. hamerfall is norwegian correct?
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CMX and Trio Niskalaukaus for the win :|
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Originally posted by JellyWerker
helloween is german? I never noticed that, whoops. hamerfall is norwegian correct?
Hammerfall are Swedish, actually ^^
If you didn\'t yet, check Lost Horizon. Another Swedish power metal band.
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Most nationalities of metal bands you can find on http://www.rockdetector.com
I don\'t know how they handle mixed groups though, but I guess they found their way.
And yes, the fathers of powermetal are german.
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There are a lot of good Swedish bands. I don\'t know if anyone here is familiar with Breach? They had a few really great albums in the mid to late 90\'s but broke up a few years ago.
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Sweden?
AMON AMARTH!! :D ARCH ENEMY!! :D Ebony Tears...tho now they\'re Dog Faced Gods...Evergrey...Oh and Mithotyn :D And yes, Finntroll sings in swedish, even though they\'re from finland..
But no Breach...Got to check that out. Melodic Deathcore they say. I\'ll give that a try :)
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Originally posted by Izzy*dot
Sweden?
AMON AMARTH!! :D ARCH ENEMY!! :D Ebony Tears...tho now they\'re Dog Faced Gods...Evergrey...Oh and Mithotyn :D And yes, Finntroll sings in swedish, even though they\'re from finland..
But no Breach...Got to check that out. Melodic Deathcore they say. I\'ll give that a try :)
EEK! Sweden! Us Scandinavian 80\'s pop band are fighting a seperate war, between A-ha and ABBA. ABBA is winning, but they stink. Brethren! Unite! :D
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Originally posted by Izzy*dot
Sweden?
AMON AMARTH!! :D ARCH ENEMY!! :D Ebony Tears...tho now they\'re Dog Faced Gods...Evergrey...Oh and Mithotyn :D And yes, Finntroll sings in swedish, even though they\'re from finland..
But no Breach...Got to check that out. Melodic Deathcore they say. I\'ll give that a try :)
Melodic Deathcore? That\'s a new one. I\'ve heard them called deathrock, gothrock, and pre-nu-metal, but not \"melodic deathcore\". Their music isn\'t melodic, and they don\'t have strong musical connections to death metal OR to modern hardcore.
Make sure that you listen to stuff from the album \"It\'s me, god\" first.
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Originally posted by Izzy*dot
And yes, Finntroll sings in swedish, even though they\'re from finland..
If I\'m not mistaken part of Finland is actually speaking Swedish...
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Heh, if I think of power metal, Blind Guardian always comes to my mind, which again is german, ..., just YAY! for germany... why is it that the only decent stuff in austria is punk ..
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I\'m listening to \"If you want peace....\" right now by COB.
Really, parts of it are nu metal, parts of it are guns and roses.
Maybe I\'m getting old, and I don\'t \'get\' all this melodic ear-friendly stuff anymore. :-D
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Originally posted by Cyl
Heh, if I think of power metal, Blind Guardian always comes to my mind, which again is german, ..., just YAY! for germany... why is it that the only decent stuff in austria is punk ..
While Finland owns music-wise, Germany is the best country when looking at the Power Metal scene...
To think of bands like Blind Guardian, Helloween, Gamma Ray, Iron Savior, Human Fortress, Freedom Call, Mob Rules, Grave Digger...
And of course Blind Guardian are supreme leaders when it comes to power metal.
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Originally posted by Draklar
If I\'m not mistaken part of Finland is actually speaking Swedish...
Hmmh, must admit, I don\'t know that...I only know they sing in Swedish because Katla thought it sounded more Trollish :D And then Katla had to stop singing so they just kept on singing in Swedish...
It\'s possible tho that part of Finland speaks Swedish.
EDIT: Typos :(
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Finns are taught swedish from 2. grade(or atleast a very young age) if i remember correctly..
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Originally posted by Sharakaz
Finns are taught swedish from 2. grade(or atleast a very young age) if i remember correctly..
From 7th grade, at least that\'s when I had to start. And yes, there are some communities in Finland that speak mostly swedish.
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Hey all, I\'m Finnish and I love the metal. Children Of Bodom, Nightwish, Sonata Arctica, Stratovarius, etc... rule! But I love all kinds of heavy music.
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There\'s also another Finnish band similar to Kalmah and Children of Bodom. Norther (http://www.lordofthemosh.com/Samples/DT/norther.mp3), and what\'s really, really cool about this band is that their vocalist is Petri Lindroos from Ensiferum :D
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Originally posted by Draklar
There\'s also another Finnish band similar to Kalmah and Children of Bodom. Norther (http://www.lordofthemosh.com/Samples/DT/norther.mp3), and what\'s really, really cool about this band is that their vocalist is Petri Lindroos from Ensiferum :D
Yeah Norther has a number of great songs like Unleash Hell, Midnight Walker, Death Unlimited. And I love their Offspring cover Smash :)
Here\'s some scandinavian bands you might want to check out if you haven\'t before:
Finland: Stam1na, Thy Serpent, Viikate, Warmen
Sweden: In Flames, Therion
Norway: Sirenia
Warmen is the soloband of COB keyboardist Janne Warman, so most people here might be interested in that. Many excellent bands have been mentioned here... And that Kalmah rocks! \\w/
VERTA! TER?ST?! HEVOSIA!
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Originally posted by Clayzekiel
VERTA! TER?ST?! HEVOSIA!
Hevosia? ROFL XD
And yeah, Norther has some good stuff.
Clayzekiel, somehow I doubt that from those bands Viikate would make an impact on a foreigner. C\'moon, one just has to know the words ^^
About the swedish: I wouldn\'t say here\'s any specific region where the swedish people live on happily ever after :)) . 5%:ish of the population are native swedish speakers and they\'re a bit scattered around, mostly on the western part of Finland (near Sweden of course :) )
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VERTA! TER?ST?! HEVOSIA!
Hevosia? ROFL XD
That\'s just what Jone Nikula said on this Finnish Idols Crap ;)
In translation for non-finnish people: Blood! Steel! Horses! :D
I\'ve noticed that finnish language in songs is not a problem for most foreigners. Viikate relies on lyrics quite much so you\'re right on that it\'s good to know what they\'re singing. Viikate ain\'t so much on the Heavy side, but at least reminds me of CMX, so this might be for you, Karyuu ;)
Stam1na is an unbelieveably remarkable newcomer who also sings in finnish. Their lyrics are just ingenious and the playing fits on them like a fist in the face. Kadonneet Kolme Sanaa is just the greatest song there is, at the moment.
Oh and swedish people are widely hated in Finland :)
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...yeah, another finn here ;)
I think that maybe the two most promising upcoming bands from Finland haven\'t been mentioned yet here:
Pain Confessor (http://www.painconfessor.com)
and
Diablo (http://www.terorized.com/diablo1/)
Hmm..what can I say? Go and check \'em out ;)
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The thread was started with an article about Diablo, actually :P
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Originally posted by Draklar
The thread was started with an article about Diablo, actually :P
/me pats his head \"D\'oh...should have checked that link...\"
Well, anyway it\'s a good band...worth mentioning (atleast) twice ;)
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I\'ll have to check it I guess. Although the name isn\'t encouraging. If the band was called \"Loki\" or something, I\'d check it at once xD
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Originally posted by Clayzekiel
VERTA! TER?ST?! HEVOSIA!
Hevosia? ROFL XD
That\'s just what Jone Nikula said on this Finnish Idols Crap ;)
I don\'t watch Idols crap X)
Except for the entertaining first episodes :D
Stam1na is an unbelieveably remarkable newcomer who also sings in finnish. Their lyrics are just ingenious and the playing fits on them like a fist in the face. Kadonneet Kolme Sanaa is just the greatest song there is, at the moment.
Hey, that\'s my favourite song of theirs too. Probably because it\'s simply the best (of Stam1na songs IMO) :)
But I prefer for example, Diablo\'s Shape Shifters over that. They have some really good sh*t 8)
Oh and swedish people are widely hated in Finland :)
Hush you, swedish-finnish girls are freakin\' hot :P
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Ah man, I just received an e-mail from Audioscrobbler about some new features or stuffs and it was the coolest auto-generated e-mail, ever... They miss me ^^
Anyway, now that I look at it, apparently most of the stuff I listened to was scandinavian metal and folk, mostly Finnish :P
Maybe I\'ll get back to using it too =P
http://www.last.fm/user/Draklar
Edit: Hmm... Checking through playlists of people appointed as my music neighbours I came upon a band from Norway called Windir. So apparently it\'s a black/viking metal with really good reviews. Does anyone have any opinion about that band?
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Do any of you listen to meshuggah?
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Hahah! I used to... Absolutely adored a video of \'em singing into a ... pen, was it? Can\'t remember what song that was. Good stuff anyway, I shall have to revisit. Thanks for the reminder :>
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Originally posted by Karyuu
Hahah! I used to... Absolutely adored a video of \'em singing into a ... pen, was it? Can\'t remember what song that was. Good stuff anyway, I shall have to revisit. Thanks for the reminder :>
New Millenium Cyanide Christ. I love that song. Future Breed Machine and Straws Pulled at Random are my other two favourites in terms of their fast/catchy stuff.
The song starts off in 23/16 time over 4/4 drums (Except for the double bass which is matching the guitars in 23/16 time). It\'s a monster! I have a drummer who I jam with who is really into them and slayer and tool and can play stuff like the 46 and 2 solo perfectly, but he can\'t touch Meshuggah\'s footwork. He just does a 4/4 pattern while I fake the intro. After that it goes into 4/4 though and I can do it for real from there but man.... it\'s just a fun song. Good pick. :-D
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Originally posted by Draklar
Edit: Hmm... Checking through playlists of people appointed as my music neighbours I came upon a band from Norway called Windir. So apparently it\'s a black/viking metal with really good reviews. Does anyone have any opinion about that band?
I looked them up a few months ago and all I\'m going to say is: *yawn* :)
Just didn\'t hear anything in their songs that would be really special, kinda monotonous. But that\'s just me, check them out for yourself ;)
Well I\'m off to a place with no internet, happy (and heavy) holidays to all :))
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Originally posted by Izzy*dot
CoB and Kalmah are Power metal? When I hear Power metal I more think about ...manowar *shivers*...and Iced Earth and Kamelot and that sort of stuff...
Yes, tell him! If I had a Euro for every time I argued with him about that...
What CoB, In Flames, Kalmah etc play is commonly described as Melodic Death Metal (\"Melodeath\"), which is like 50% Death, 20% Thrash, 20% Power, 10% $metalstyle...
Anyway, it\'s hard to put bands or an entire album of a band into just one category. New genres pop out of nowhere every other day, some with ridiculously individual (read: embarassing) names like \"puritanical funeral metal\" (I mean, come one? I hope the band who called their music that was kidding :D)
Other rather well-known bands that I think haven\'t been mentioned before, but are worth mentioning:
- Clawfinger (Hardcore)
- Eternity X (Progressive/Melodic Metal)
- Graveworm (Melodic Black/Death)
- Nevermore (Thrash)
Not so well-known (some never got known, some aren\'t well know yet, some are from a generation before us ;) ) in my opinion, but worth checking out:
- Agalloch (Doom + Death = Dark Metal)
- Amaran (Gothic, good if you like Nightwish but not Tarja\'s voice ;))
- Arsis (Technical Death - if you like double bass XD)
- Avec Tristesse (No Category - they have them all)
- Barcode (Hardcore/Metalcore with an ounce of Punk)
- Empty Tremor (Progressive Metal)
- Fear My Thoughts (Hardcore, possibly NuMetal)
- Immortal Souls (MeloDeath, go for that if you like Kalmah or CoB)
- Imperanon (see Immortal Souls)
- Into Eternity (Progressive Metal with NuMetal and deathy grunt vocals (yes, that\'s possible))
- Magellan (Progressive Rock
- Porcupine Tree (Progressive Rock (Third Wave))
- Prophanity (Death/Black)
- Setherial (Black)
- Shade Empire (MeloDeath)
- Slumber (Doom/Gothic)
- The Mars Volta (Progressive Rock)
- The Black Dahlia Murder (MeloDeath/Technical Death)
- Total Devastation (Technical Death Metal)
- Wizard (Cheeeeese Metal, I mean .. er.. really really true Power Metal)
- Zonata (Power Metal, a little Progressive as well)
So what\'s all this \"Progressive\" stuff? Basically, instruments played in a very virtuousic fashion. It took me about 11 years in all styles of metal to finally get a connection to that one. If you\'re a fan of guitars and all the sounds they can make (literally ;)), try Porcupine Tree or Magellan, perhaps even \"The Mars Volta\" (the latter one is tough if you usually need smashing guitars to enjoy music ;) ). If you need a bit more guitar smashing, and still want to try it out \"Liquid Tension Experiment\" (no vocals!), \"Symphony X\", \"Dream Theater\".
I could add about 200 bands more, but this should suffice for now. :)
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The Mars Volta are so over rated..... the guy has nothing to say so he writes meaninglesslyrics and hides behind how ambiguous they are. The actual music is ok from time to time, except that it isn\'t that original - they\'re basically a cross between Santana and bands like For the Mathematics. Those long instrumental breaks are incredibly self indulgent, but At The Drive In was incredibly self indulgent as well. Plus they use and abuse way too much delay on the lead guitar and vocals. They\'re better than what\'s on the radio, but...
Melodic death is just metal which is trying to be more melodic and radio-friendly. IMO anyway. It sounds closer to nu-metal than to death metal most of the time.
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Originally posted by Pogopuschel
Originally posted by Izzy*dot
CoB and Kalmah are Power metal? When I hear Power metal I more think about ...manowar *shivers*...and Iced Earth and Kamelot and that sort of stuff...
Yes, tell him! If I had a Euro for every time I argued with him about that...
...You\'d have one Euro.
Now:
Norther (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=1815)
Kalmah (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=702)
CoB (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=22)
Norther (http://www.metalstorm.ee/bands/view_band.php?band_id=norther)
Kalmah (http://www.metalstorm.ee/bands/view_band.php?band_id=kalmah)
CoB (http://www.metalstorm.ee/bands/view_band.php?band_id=children_of_bodom)
The bands are categorized as power metal. If you\'d check the forums of those sites, you\'d see that people there give solid argumentation why they\'re power metal. I mean, c\'mon... Compare them to In Flames, Amon Amarth or Mercenary (the actual melo-death bands)
The non-singed parts are so obvious power metal, that it\'s easy to assume some people call them melo-death solely because of growls.
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Yeah well agreed Amon Amarth sounds really different compared to CoB and Norther and stuff...But to say CoB is Power metal... You know if you compare Manowar with CoB there\'s also a big difference...
But on the other hand also agreed, you can\'t put an entire album of one artist in one genre (well mostly you can\'t), that\'s why I think arguing about whether they are this or that genre is completely useless :) It\'s some sort of endless discussion, and if you look at what genre CoB themselves think they are...they say they just got something of everything.
By the way, you say that Amon Amarth is melo-death, whilst others say it\'s Viking Metal. This as illustration to the fact that genre-discussing is pointless because in a way a lot of people saying different things are all right in a way.
*bows and leaves the room* :D
Izz
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Manowar is more Heavy metal than Power... Just the latest stuff is Heavy/Power.
And like I said, compare CoB to DragonForce. Anyway, Melo-death is really heavy and dark, giving a strong impression that it comes from the Death genre, whilst bands like CoB are fast and rather uplifting. Their solos are typical power metal solos.
And people call Amon Amarth a Viking Metal because they sing about viking stuff. Same case as with Enslaved. I heard Viking Metal bits from Amon Amarth, but it\'s rather rare and not enough to put this band under such genre.
Also, genres are very important, so that when someone seeks for Death Metal, he won\'t be recommended Rhapsody.
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Yeah well you\'re right about that...If someone asks for Death Metal he should be given Death metal and not something else...but isn\'t it so that it\'s very hard to stick a genre to a band? Isn\'t it hard to define different genres, mainly because everybody else thinks they\'re something else?
I mean, what would you call Wintersun? They have fast and uplifting pieces, like Starchild and Beyond the Dark sun and Winter Madness (Which I REALLY REALLY like by the way :D), but also darker, slower stuff like Sleeping Stars. That would imply that they play two different genre, so it\'s impossible to class them under one.
Anyway I guess I\'ve never really been busy with defining genres as such...So I guess you have more an idea about what you\'re talking about :)
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Im just waiting for this thread to die so something new and interesting will take its place on the forums.
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Yeah this thread went on long enough lets talk about something interesting.
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Well I categorize Wintersun as Power/Viking metal. Death And The Healing is especially good example of such style.
Edit: And I categorize almost everything, seeing as I\'m keeping order in my \"music\" directory. Metal I split into \"Folk&Viking\", \"Heavy&Power\" and \"Other\" ;D
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Originally posted by Draklar
Originally posted by Pogopuschel
Yes, tell him! If I had a Euro for every time I argued with him about that...
...You\'d have one Euro.
Two now. Go on, I\'ll be rich. :D
Now:
Originally posted by Draklar
Norther (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=1815)
Kalmah (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=702)
CoB (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=22)
Norther (http://www.metalstorm.ee/bands/view_band.php?band_id=norther)
Kalmah (http://www.metalstorm.ee/bands/view_band.php?band_id=kalmah)
CoB (http://www.metalstorm.ee/bands/view_band.php?band_id=children_of_bodom)
The bands are categorized as power metal. If you\'d check the forums of those sites, you\'d see that people there give solid argumentation why they\'re power metal. I mean, c\'mon... Compare them to In Flames, Amon Amarth or Mercenary (the actual melo-death bands)
I see metalstorm.ee-Links as a reference... That\'s like saying that Microsoft invented the Personal Computer. ;)
But then again, they also say
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Now that the history of this genre is clearer what is melodic death metal musically? Melodic death metal is a genre that has grown more international throughout the years. Suceeding the waves of Gothenburg melodic death metal came the Finnish wave. This consisted of the bands I said earlier (Children Of Bodom, Norther, Eternal Tears of Sorrow), and featured a different influence from the Swedish waves. The Finns kept the dual guitar attack which was less brutal and more melodic from most Swedish bands, and put more of what is considered today as a power metal style of play. The Finns also used the screaming style of vocals perfected by Mikael Stanne, Tomas Lindberg, and company, but with a more clear tone and slightly higher in pitch. These things alone sound allow for the classification as melodic death metal bands.
So in my opinion you are partially right. While the guitar style is lent from classical \"Power Metal\", the rest doesn\'t fit in at all. So either you need to say the genre doesn\'t exist, and that these bands are somewhere in between the \"major styles\", taking elements of both into their music, but then again you might as well give it a name, and that\'s Melodeath.
I\'m not a friend of too many too witty names for genres, because like Izzy*dot said before, you can\'t put a band that has had a couple of albums out into just one genre because they tend to evolve or change (usually to something far worse :P ). Sometimes, you can\'t even label a single album with a certain style. So whenever someone asks me what style a band plays, I use
- Black
- Death
- Melodeath
- Power/Melocic
- Progressive
- Gothic
- Doom
- Viking
- New Metal
- Hardcore
- Thrash
- Folk/Middleage
- Hard Rock/Heavy
which, with can be considered the major subgenres of \"Metal\" exception of Melodeath (with the exception of Melodeath perhaps, as it\'s already a mix-form, then again there\'s so many bands out there who do just that mix that they might as well open their own genre). If a band doesn\'t fall directly into one of those, I say \"a little bit of X and a little bit of Y\". I refuse to acknowledge \"Puritanical Melancholic Funeral Metal\" and all the other crap names as genres, until hell freezes over. :P
Wisekran & yayoo
- Im just waiting for this thread to die so something new and interesting will take its place on the forums.
- Yeah this thread went on long enough lets talk about something interesting.
The forum supports more than one concurrent active thread, you know... ;)
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Finntroll is coming to play in my area within the next few weeks. :p
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Originally posted by Pogopuschel
- Black
- Death
- Melodeath
- Power/Melocic
- Progressive
- Gothic
- Doom
- Viking
- New Metal
- Hardcore
Woe on you! You forgot Folk Metal :[
A group of Irish drunkards should hunt you down for that. And add to that Tapio Wilska, because he\'s crazy.
Interesting article though. From what I\'ve seen however, whenever someone called CoB melo-death on the forums, there was always quite a bit of people to yell why it\'s power.
And as long as band sounds more like DragonForce and less like Vader, it\'s mostly power metal for me :P
Edit: Should I even comment lack of Heavy Metal on that list? xD
Edit2: And where\'s Speed and Thrash... Dude :[
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You are correct of course, the list is not complete... ;( lemme fix that.
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Anyway, if someone wants to hear a real Viking Metal masterpiece, listen to \"Heathen\" by Wyrd. The band\'s Black/Viking metal and both genres are merged perfectly in that 51 minutes long song. One of the most epic ones I\'ve ever heard.
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Originally posted by Draklar
Anyway, if someone wants to hear a real Viking Metal masterpiece, listen to \"Heathen\" by Wyrd. The band\'s Black/Viking metal and both genres are merged perfectly in that 51 minutes long song. One of the most epic ones I\'ve ever heard.
It depends on what makes it so long. If it could be easily divided into smaller songs, then can we really call a song epic?
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Originally posted by zanzibar
It depends on what makes it so long. If it could be easily divided into smaller songs, then can we really call a song epic?
The whole song tells one single story (http://darklyrics.com/lyrics/wyrd/heathen.html) :[