PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: c-2501 on December 18, 2005, 02:43:56 am
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ok i understand the reasons for a wipe and im not complaining but i do have a few questions;
when you say soon...how soon we talkin months? weeks?
secondly when the wipe happens, will i have to reregister my ps account? what about my characters name... what if someone reregisters it first? im i just going to have to abandon all the rp ive set up arround my main character over the past few months?
thirdly guilds. will the guilds be wiped too? if so are they usually reconstructed?
sorry for all the questions, but im a fairly new player and the thought of loosing everything ive created over the last few months kinda scares me. :(
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When we say soon, we have no idea. Best guess now is no less then a month, and no more then... 4 months? Eh, I won\'t know untill you do anyways.
There are two types of wipes planned, and both of them should have no effect on names, guilds, or RP for that matter.
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I\'m hoping these wipes involve resetting all stats, trias, and items... some people have had over 100k at a time and have over 6000 progression points... :\\
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Originally posted by Cha0s
I\'m hoping these wipes involve resetting all stats, trias, and items... some people have had over 100k at a time and have over 6000 progression points... :\\
I know someone in game who had well over 400,000 trias, and I personally have over 12000 progression points. But it\'s because we play the game, it\'s not because of any exploits. It\'s just the way it works.
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Yes, I know. The game needs to give less rewards and the current ones need to go away. People are way too powerful now. It doesn\'t take that much effort to get to maxed combat stats, from what I can tell. :(
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not much effort to max? You must be kidding,
I mean yes with the better weapons people definately developed a lot faster then expected, but if you say something like that I am really wondering how much you have actually played PS and tried leveling up sword. Rank that up to level 70 and then tell me it easy :P
Ranking up stats well thats a different story, but on the other hand I think most of them have way to little effect for stats compared to for example the effect of swordskill anyhow so can\'t really expect them to be hard to train either.
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It should take years to get to the stages that some people are at. Therefore I feel the need to blow up everything and start over again :P
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Won\'t people just get to these levels eventually again anyway? Why bother wiping everybody, just wipe some of the characters you feel had unfair advantages.
Also, what\'s the difference if there are strong and rich characters? I think it adds an interesting element to the game.
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The wipe is not just to clean the levels and PP\'s and stuff. It\'s to clean up the servers up a bit I guess, have a fresh start when they bring in a new version, or when they add something completely new.
Right? Or not?
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Heh I wasnt able to play while the uber weapons were found to be everywhere, and now heh what can I say, after a month I have been able to kill Clackers w00t w00t!
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Chaos wrote: Yes, I know. The game needs to give less rewards and the current ones need to go away. People are way too powerful now. It doesn\'t take that much effort to get to maxed combat stats, from what I can tell.
Silly comments such as these are usually made by those who do not level theyr\'e character\'s Stats and skills up and should be forgiven for it\'s ignorance.
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Originally posted by Cha0s
I\'m hoping these wipes involve resetting all stats, trias, and items... some people have had over 100k at a time and have over 6000 progression points... :\\
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The game needs to give less rewards and the current ones need to go away. People are way too powerful now. It doesn\'t take that much effort to get to maxed combat stats, from what I can tell.
Try it.
Tell me it is easy, and not a heartbreaking effort to max all skills, after you actually do it.
I promise you, that as the progression is currently constructed, you will never get there. Not even in three years.
More than 1200 hours, with the best possible weapons helping, and I have not done it yet.
There may be a handfull of players that have managed it...
So what?
Why is that a problem?
There are supposed to be extremes, silly man.
And not even 10% of the players who enter, stay in the game long enough to Max more than a single weapon skill.
You do not see the obvious.
I invite you to re-examiine your assumptions, and to read my prior posts.
I make sense.
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firstly, hush :]
don\'t start the name callin around here or someones ogtta clean the mess up, capiche?
secondly, its easy, it really is, i have the patience of a non existant patient thing on get aggrovated easily day, and i maxed everything available over and over.
you should be overjoyed if one of your skills manages to up a level in your entire time of playing planeshift, because in life that\'s how it is, not jumping in for a week and conquering the entire lot.
too many discussion about the overly powerful weapons, so just stop with it.
the problem is it\'s too easy, have you not been paying attention?
aye, extremes there be, but almost unreachable they need to be.
actually 0% of the community stay, everyone leaves and some come back, especially around the holidays, you\'ll be seeing a lot of people around lately that seem new to it all but actualyl aren\'t.
I\'m all for Xordan + explosives = no skills
you do not make sense verrliit, you provide an opinion that merges into a collective of them partially constructing the sense, stop revolving everything around yourself, stop pushing your constant droning opinion on others and perhaps, just listen for once.
oh and for the record, feel free to witty remarks and whatnot, I won\'t be reading this thread again :]
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I agree it is not easy to max but i did in 3 weeks, from wipe, PL I hear you cry, big deal you think what you like, i did it so it was over with and i could get on and enjoy the game, as Janner i don\'t any more because of silly people out to ruin others fun.
An example is this screen shot of a hoard, which by its location could only have been put there by a GM or DEV.
(http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3797/shot022um.th.jpg) (http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot022um.jpg)
So it is not only players that ruin it for everyone, a very sad good bye from Janner.
PS. i am still in game but not as Janner. X(
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This is not a discussion about the fairness of the wipe. This thread exists so that the original poster can get answers to the posted questions. There have been many many previous arguments on the general subject, and we all know how they ended. So instead of having the same people continue their same arguments, I ask that everyone please either argue with those who manage PlaneShift and the wipes (and see their same reactions), or privately amongst yourselves. Otherwise this will get locked.
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Originally posted by Karyuu
This thread exists so that the original poster can get answers to the posted questions.
You are right, that the questioner should have questions answered.
But full understanding is not limited only to the questions asked.
Originally posted by c-2501
sorry for all the questions, but im a fairly new player and the thought of loosing everything ive created over the last few months kinda scares me. :(
Your reaction is shared.
You have worked hard, and the things you have achieved are important to you, if only because of the time you put into them.
Having been through a wipe, I know quite well how you feel.
Hopefully, those who so forcefully advocate the complete destruction of all the work that players have done, are not the final authority on when, how and why a wipe might occur.
My advice to you?
Make other ways to keep in touch with your friends.
Verrliit
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I\'m hoping these wipes involve resetting all stats, trias, and items... some people have had over 100k at a time and have over 6000 progression points... :\\
I don\'t understand why some people are so worried about what others do or have...how does it affect one\'s gameplay or RP to know that someone else has more money or experience points. It doesn\'t. Anyone that wants a wipe just because someone else worked for and has more than them is petty and jealous and doesn\'t want to play a game they just want to make sure no one else can either.
I train about 40% , RP or fraternize about 40% and do both about 20%. I have never had my experience affected because someone else is higher skilled or richer than I am. It does not change the game for me and my personal experience one bit, except for maybe challenging me to work harder and learn from the others.
I frequently give money and weapons to new cats in Ojaveda when I am there. No one helped me in such a manner and I take joy in giving someone a sword and taking them to the rats and then to get their first sell with some loot. I could not do these things without the benefit of that which I have worked for in game.
I understand a technical need for a wipe, but someone obssessed with it because others have more really needs to find a less social game and not this one. It is apparent that they can\'t just have friends for who they are rather than what they have. It really isn\'t any of their business what another character is doing anyway if it is within the rules. Try finding a level playing field IRL..No one is going to wipe the real world because someone is higher trained and has more money than you..no matter how they got there or how much you wish for it.
Quit whining.
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No one is whining, Jinkeen - and the technical needs for the wipe are the only important needs :) Which I believe have already been stated. So to summarize:
\"when you say soon...how soon we talkin months? weeks?\"
stfrn\'s answer: \"Best guess now is no less then a month, and no more then... 4 months? Eh, I won\'t know untill you do anyways. \"
\"secondly when the wipe happens, will i have to reregister my ps account?\"
No.
\"what about my characters name... what if someone reregisters it first?\"
Nothing of the sort will happen - your character will remain. But in the first wipe, the items may be removed (which items or all items [unlikely] is yet to be determined, so hang tight and wait for more official news), and in wipes that are guaranteed to follow in the distant future, your skills and stats will be reset.
\"im i just going to have to abandon all the rp ive set up arround my main character over the past few months?\"
While skills, stats, and items do tons to help you roleplay, abandoning roleplay entirely because of the wipe is unnecessary - we have always used our imaginations when game mechanics haven\'t been available, and so we can continue doing so until our characters build themselves up again.
thirdly guilds. will the guilds be wiped too? if so are they usually reconstructed?
No guild wipes :)
If there is some incorrect information in there, a PS team member will come and clean it up ;) Otherwise, again - let\'s not argue, please :>
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After a wipe, is there a huge line-up at the rats? I imagine you will need to put more easily killable/lootable beasts in play... as everybody will be wanting to gain stuff again at the same time.
Also, is there a RP name for the wipe? Something like \"the great desolation that brings destitution\"?
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Most likely, the next wipe will be just like the last. You\'ll just have an empty account, which you can then (re)make your character with. If guilds are wiped, they\'ll just be reformed. We\'re wiping data here, not people. And yes, there will probably be overcrowding in the sewers again. ;)
/setskill all 200
( yes folks, I am lazy enough to make this command... :D )
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Originally posted by Karyuu
No one is whining, Jinkeen - and the technical needs for the wipe are the only important needs :) Which I believe have already been stated. So to summarize:
\"when you say soon...how soon we talkin months? weeks?\"
stfrn\'s answer: \"Best guess now is no less then a month, and no more then... 4 months? Eh, I won\'t know untill you do anyways. \"
\"secondly when the wipe happens, will i have to reregister my ps account?\"
No.
\"what about my characters name... what if someone reregisters it first?\"
Nothing of the sort will happen - your character will remain. But in the first wipe, the items may be removed (which items or all items [unlikely] is yet to be determined, so hang tight and wait for more official news), and in wipes that are guaranteed to follow in the distant future, your skills and stats will be reset.
\"im i just going to have to abandon all the rp ive set up arround my main character over the past few months?\"
While skills, stats, and items do tons to help you roleplay, abandoning roleplay entirely because of the wipe is unnecessary - we have always used our imaginations when game mechanics haven\'t been available, and so we can continue doing so until our characters build themselves up again.
thirdly guilds. will the guilds be wiped too? if so are they usually reconstructed?
No guild wipes :)
If there is some incorrect information in there, a PS team member will come and clean it up ;) Otherwise, again - let\'s not argue, please :>
Hmm, I\'m going to have to disagree with that. Last wipe, all my characters were deleted, all the guilds disappeared because all the characters were deleted.
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ok so what is coming with the next wipe? new races or more customization for the races? better majic system or possibly better combat system?
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wow none of my posts have ever generated so much resoponses in such a short period of time before!
anyway thanks for all the info Karyuu, and i hope your right :)
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That\'s what you get for mentioning the word of doom: \'Wipe\' :P
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Originally posted by Kiirani
Hmm, I\'m going to have to disagree with that. Last wipe, all my characters were deleted, all the guilds disappeared because all the characters were deleted.
I know how you feel.
The day before the wipe, my guild had about 30 regularly active members. Only six or so, trickled back into PS over the months after the wipe.
Only two or three players remain.
The last Wipe killed my guild, and broke the continuity of the world. It was anything but trivial.
Many of the WTB Devs, GMs and Moderators who post here, say that just because some of the players have hit the current max levels faster than expected, every character now needs to be wiped.
Not one has explained why that is a problem at all, much less why only a character wipe can solve it.
We get this instead:
Originally posted by Karyuu
There have been many many previous arguments on the general subject, and we all know how they ended. So instead of having the same people continue their same arguments, I ask that everyone please either argue with those who manage PlaneShift and the wipes (and see their same reactions), or privately amongst yourselves. Otherwise this will get locked.
So Karyuu, you will stop us from having any further discussion of a Wipe, even in a thread labeled \"Wipe\"?
I have to wonder why it would make any difference to you what we talk about and for how long.
And let me ask everyone this question:
If we can\'t discuss whatever we want, especially something as important to us as a Wipe, for as much and as long as we want to, why should we come here to talk at all?
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Originally posted by Verrliit
If we can\'t discuss whatever we want, especially something as important to us as a Wipe, for as much and as long as we want to, why should we come here to talk at all?
To discuss what you can discuss.
I dont want to say that the wipe was no problem for me, but well, it was rather the huge update that followed and the fact that I have limited UP/DOWN bandwidth...
If myguild died, because of the wipe, then I would *strongly* ask myself wether or not it was meant to stay rather than blaming the wipe for it.
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Verrliit: Karyuu was just saying that we\'ve already been there. This is tech demo. The devs want to wipe items to make it harder to progress, they do it. They decide not to do, they don\'t do it. They have no obligation to you; they\'ll do what they feel is best for the game and community as a whole. Feel free to state your opinion, but after that, it isn\'t your decision and there\'s no sense in arguing it further.
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Originally posted by Cyl
I dont want to say that the wipe was no problem for me, but well, it was rather the huge update that followed and the fact that I have limited UP/DOWN bandwidth...
If myguild died, because of the wipe, then I would *strongly* ask myself wether or not it was meant to stay rather than blaming the wipe for it.
Well, that is one of the unfortuante parts of a game in deveoplement, files change all the time. In fact this next update may require downloading old files, as techincal issues require new versions. But of course you cannot change without some adjustment :)
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*cuts out the unimportant stuff*
Originally posted by Verrliit
why should we come here to talk at all?
good point, if so, then don\'t, saves the Mods the hassle of warning, deleting and locking.
such topics are allowed to be discussed, on a mature level.
did you see the pun in that sentence? the word \'mature\'
im not pointing finegrs at anyone else
I\'m immature, yup, you can see that by this post, but the point is, touchy subjects such as database wipes will never in the hstory of planeshifts creation stay at a mature level
thus said, the thread creators questions have been answered i\'ll get a slap on the wrist from someone, everyone gets a little bit annoyed because other poeple have different opinions, the thread may get locked and/or deleted, we start over.
tea, scones and a game of polo. can we move on now? :]
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Originally posted by Verrliit
The day before the wipe, my guild had about 30 regularly active members. Only six or so, trickled back into PS over the months after the wipe.
Only two or three players remain.
The last Wipe killed my guild, and broke the continuity of the world. It was anything but trivial.
That\'s funny, because I only remember there being only around half a dozen members who were very active, MAYBE a dozen if my memory is not serving me well, and of those even less were actually committed to the guild. It was pretty much just you, Karsier, and Xylaez; far beneath the required minimum.
And even if none of that is true and you did have 30 active members both before and after the wipe, neither Karsier nor Xylaez made a real attempt at restarting the guild. You levelled up your character and started stock up weapons from the arena, and for a time you had the guild name reserved, but I don\'t recall you trying to recruit through RP. You certainly weren\'t active in the guild forum, as the TBoA thread has long been inactive except for the occasional bumping by yours truly.
I\'m not trying to rag on you, and I do sympathize with you. My point is that wipes really don\'t have any lasting effect on the roleplaying here. If a guild dies, it\'s because of another reason.
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Originally posted by Verrliit
I have to wonder why it would make any difference to you what we talk about and for how long.
Because I am a moderator, Verrliit, and if you\'d care to notice, past threads have always included veiled insults, open personal attacks, and a clear lack of solving anything. What do you hope to say that the development team hasn\'t heard already from you? Have you formulated any new arguments? Have you thought up of any new suggestions? Or will we have, as I originally posted here, the same people arguing the same things they have carried on through several threads to no conclusion? The devs know how you and others feel - but it is still up to them.
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Hey, all this being polite is hard business you know! ;) Add on to that the task of keeping everything you say original and inspiring, and barely anything would get said around here.
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Originally posted by zanzibar
That\'s funny, because I only remember there being only around half a dozen members who were very active, MAYBE a dozen if my memory is not serving me well, and of those even less were actually committed to the guild. It was pretty much just you, Karsier, and Xylaez; far beneath the required minimum.
I find this thread funny now, because for those who didn\'t know, I was Xylaez. :P I even recruited Verrliit into the guild in the first place...
I believe at that point we had about a dozen that were mildly active, and there were a few others that were on frequently, but yes, we were not a large guild. After the wipe, I reformed the guild, but many people were mac users, and the mac version was delayed for a long while. I played for a bit post-wipe, but I found it far more fun to go bughunting, and eventually bugfixing. (I cannot fathom how some of you rack up over a thousand hours...) So, eventually the guild just dissolved. Verrliit remained, and somehow has amassed 1262.24 total gameplay hours since then.
Let me put one of the wipe arguments this way: Laanx is a test server. It\'s there for people to test this thing. If we have a large number of people sitting at the top, not advancing (and don\'t kid yourself, we do) they\'re not testing much. Everyone is getting entirely too attached to their characters, on a server that they knew full well is for testing. If you want to have fun while you\'re doing it, by all means, be my guest. But, always keep in mind that you\'re playing a prototype, that will be reworked, and will be wiped to do so. (You character will only die if your stats and crap fully define your character.) If the thought of actually playing the game again because the world gets wiped annoys you, then maybe you didn\'t really want to play the game in the first place. Besides, as was shown before, those who had high stats before the wipe were the fastest to regain them, because they already knew how, and it wasn\'t that hard. (the scales were changed, but the strong were still the strong) All in all, this argument is meaningless. With all the whining over wipes, it really doesn\'t affect as much as is assumed. Just deal with it and move on.
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It\'s been a while, but I played with Verrliit when she was new (and less bitter) before she joined. Maybe you were the one that sent the actual invite. It doesn\'t matter.
And I agree, Your Character =/= Your Stats.
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Yeah, I know. (Actually, in a weird twist of irony, I remember having to wait 5 min to invite because of a group invite just before.) It doesn\'t matter.
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By DaveG
but many people were mac users, and the mac version was delayed for a long while. (I cannot fathom how some of you rack up over a thousand hours...) So, eventually the guild just dissolved. Verrliit remained, and somehow has amassed 1262.24 total gameplay hours since then.
I play Mac, look at my stats: it called dedication to something one enjoys doing.
Most active player. 1620.70
Best Advisor. 1698
And just for good messier all stats except axe maxed. :))
Forgot to say my guild was wiped but reformed and has grown to 27.
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Are my numbers off?
Sorry.
But that does not make my point less valid. Anything that causes even a single player to leave, is a bad thing, to be avoided.
Am I bitter?
No.
But I deeply mourn the loss of all who are gone, and what might have been, but for the wipe.
Was I recruited into my guild by Zanzibar and DaveG?
Yes.
I was intrigued by Zanzibar/Shalmaneser, having loved the book, \"Stand on Zanzibar\" by John Brunner, from which he took his names.
But Zanzibar was kicked out of the guild very shortly thereafter, for the same sort of behavior that later got him banned.
And when DaveG joined the Dev team, he also abandoned the guild.
It\'s true, that I once followed their lead.
I will not make that mistake again.
And no, we are not enemies.
Though they may be opponents, no one who loves PS is my enemy.
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Originally posted by Verrliit Anything that causes even a single player to leave, is a bad thing, to be avoided.
No. Planeshift isn\'t for everybody.
Originally posted by Verrliit
But I deeply mourn the loss of all who are gone, and what might have been, but for the wipe.
Most of the old TBoA members are still around, but in different guilds.
Originally posted by Verrliit
Zanzibar was kicked out of the guild very shortly thereafter, for the same sort of behavior that later got him banned.
No. I was never kicked out. I left. And it wasn\'t \"shortly thereafter\", it was several months later. And I was banned for completely unrelated reasons.
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Originally posted by Verrliit
And when DaveG joined the Dev team, he also abandoned the guild.
It\'s true, that I once followed their lead.
I will not make that mistake again.
And no, we are not enemies.
Though they may be opponents, no one who loves PS is my enemy.
You will no longer follow DaveG because he quit a guild to help with the actual game? And he is your opponent? Taking this a little too seriously, perhaps :)
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Originally posted by Karyuu
Taking this a little too seriously, perhaps :)
I think that\'s the general theme here.
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Originally posted by Verrliit
Anything that causes even a single player to leave, is a bad thing, to be avoided.
That is a rather narrowminded view on things, to me something that could even cause a hundred players to leave PS now but eventually will aid in the production of a better final game is far from bad. A game which will entertain hundreds upon hundreds of players in the future. That is what I think of this and every future wipe.
We players have a job to do here, our job is to make this tech demo grow into a unique and fun game. We assist the devs by finding where they slipped up and by suggesting what could be done differently and why, if asked. There is an entire wishlist section here to suggest things and discussion of most subjects is definitely encouraged on these forums. However it is not in our job to argue with every decision the Devs take. Definitely not argue until we either win or manage to turn everything into one big drama. We are free to state our opinions and often even encouraged but we need to learn to let go then.
Every time I see people who dislike the Devs and GM team playing this game and try to argue every decision they make, I wonder .. why on earth are they playing with them then?
The only reason I can think of is that they are people who need enemies to define themselves and give their own presence meaning. Please think about that before you argue with someone, are you really trying to help the project or are you just doing it to be rebellious? The latter is probably best kept in-game as roleplay.
P.S.: most of this post isn\'t addressed to anyone specific, just some sort of mini-rant I guess.
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Originally posted by Verrliit
The Devs have invited us to play in their sandbox. The GMs keep us from spoiling each other\'s fun. Be respectful, and thank them often.
That\'s the point. It\'s our sandbox, which we\'re trying to improve. I\'d much rather half the people testing it leave than the sandbox to stop improving.
Originally posted by Verrliit
Anything that causes even a single player to leave, is a bad thing, to be avoided.
No, because players are here to test our work. If a player leaves, oh well, we carry on working. It makes little difference to us. In a few years when we hit say version 0.6 or higher, it\'s important if a player leaves because of the game, because we\'re doing something wrong. At the moment, we\'re still working on making the \'sandbox\' a game, so we\'re doing nothing wrong. If someone leaves because they get too attached to the stats of his/her character which they know will get wiped sometime because this is a tech demo and not a full game, then imo they need to get a life.
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But that does not make my point less valid. Anything that causes even a single player to leave, is a bad thing, to be avoided.
Wrong... wrong... wrong...
Are you saying that if power levellers leave its bad? Hell no its great when they leave. Are you saying its terrible when people who don\'t role-play leave? Again no, these are the people who shouldn\'t be in this game and might like to play Spoonscape.
But I deeply mourn the loss of all who are gone, and what might have been, but for the wipe.
I hate to say it but have you considered those people who leave because their stats got wiped are more concerned about their stats then there Rp history. I wont say everyone that has left doesn?t role-play but those who quit just because of the wipe obviously aren?t that dedicated or are way to materialistic.
Just a point Verrliit but can you name ten pepole who agree with you about the wipe?
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Originally posted by Xordan
It\'s our sandbox, which we\'re trying to improve. I\'d much rather half the people testing it leave than the sandbox to stop improving.
Originally posted by Verrliit
Anything that causes even a single player to leave, is a bad thing, to be avoided.
No, because players are here to test our work. If a player leaves, oh well, we carry on working. It makes little difference to us. In a few years when we hit say version 0.6 or higher, it\'s important if a player leaves because of the game, because we\'re doing something wrong. At the moment, we\'re still working on making the \'sandbox\' a game, so we\'re doing nothing wrong. If someone leaves because they get too attached to the stats of his/her character which they know will get wiped sometime because this is a tech demo and not a full game, then imo they need to get a life.
My word.
You are developing a game, but do not value keeping as many players wanting to play the game as possible.
It is supposedly a place to do RP, but you don\'t care if the best and brightest performers leave.
Originally posted by Watcher
Just a point Verrliit but can you name ten pepole who agree with you about the wipe?
If you can stomach the task, you can do that yourself.
Parse your log files for a list of names before the wipe, and then compare that list to who is on today, if you want to create an obituary.
Most of the ones who agree with me, have heard things like Xordan says, have seen they are not valued, and losing hope, no longer play here.
So, why am I still here?
I love many who play within the game, and do not discard people so easily as Xordan.
And perhaps I am foolish, but I still have hope that I may yet be a force for change.
Verrliit
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Originally posted by Verrliit
Parse your log files for a list of names before the wipe, and then compare that list to who is on today, if you want to create an obituary.
People were leaving during MB as well, even though there was no wipes.
Invalid argument.
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I don\'t see why this has gone on for so long.
This is a tech demo
We are here to test the game
Devs think something is wrong the fix it even if it causes us temporary pain...
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Verrliit, if they want to change the game in such a way that they need to change the stats, why should a small handful of obviously less than loyal players stop them from making the game into what the want it to be.
Players are important but the end product (I use the term loosely as it will probable never be finished in the classiscal sense) is much more important than even a hundred of them and it is MUCH more important than your ability to kill rats :)
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As a player i am shocked to hear you say that.
By Xordan
No, because players are here to test our work. If a player leaves, oh well, we carry on working. It makes little difference to us. In a few years when we hit say version 0.6 or higher, it\'s important if a player leaves because of the game
I hope you are a minority in this statement, because the message i get from that is \"I don\'t care about you test my game or bleep off.\"
Hardly the way to encourage people to play it let alone report faults is it?
By Watcher
Wrong... wrong... wrong...
Are you saying that if power levelers leave its bad? Hell no its great when they leave. Are you saying its terrible when people who don\'t role-play leave? Again no, these are the people who shouldn\'t be in this game and might like to play Spoonscape.
OK you test the high stat levels have fun getting board killing and killing and killing.
Get the point: they test the high levels. that gives you more time to RP and not test for bugs.
By Draklar
People were leaving during MB as well, even though there was no wipes.
Players leave all the time invaded point :)
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See? What did I tell you :) Same people arguing their same arguments. Until anyone has anything new to say, this is closed.
Bottom line: test server, tech demo. You knew this, you decided to play anyway. You have to \"deal\" with the consequences, just like you \"deal\" with bugs.