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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: JellyWerker on December 30, 2005, 11:50:07 pm
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Argh!
All these years I have thought (and argued) that medieval swords weighed upwards of 20 pounds. I found today that few weighed more than 10, with the average around 4-5 lbs.
I ask forgiveness from those who I would have bashed in their heads over the weight of a sword (or was that the wurm online forums...)
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Everyone makes mistakes, but it takes great strength of character to admit mistakes with the same zeal as making them. I applaud you.
I look forward to discussing things of interest with you on the forums.
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20 pounds, eheh... I\'d be all worked up by now with something like that ^^
Mine is 4 pounds, and still it\'s a bastard :P
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I\'m sure a 2-hand greataxe would weigh 20 lbs :)
*gives one to Draklar to use*
Who needs swords eh?
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Actually, those beauties hang around a 8 lbs weight ^^
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8o Damn, that\'s light considering the size and materials....
Fine, I bet a cannon weighs more than 20 lbs :P Phear t3h canzorn!1
Btw, I never did tell you that I like your sig Draklar :)
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...But not light considering its length and where the balance point is set >.>
Oh, and thanks :)
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:P.. 20 pounds wouldnt be fun to swing around for a long period of time with one hand.. but who fed you the wrong info man? I know my highschool history teachers were kinda dumb
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Originally posted by Draklar
20 pounds, eheh... I\'d be all worked up by now with something like that ^^
Mine is 4 pounds, and still it\'s a bastard :P
Thats known as a \'Hand and a Half Sword\' in more polite company :)
There are probably weapons that do weigh over 20lbs, but they would be rare and more specialised than lighter sword and spears, and not as suited to prolonged miltary use in a long drawn-out campaign, just by virtue of the weight of the thing tiring the user. Mauls ( essentially iron or steel-banded sledgehammers employed as a hand-to-hand weapon ) would probably have weighed that much. Its the perfect thing for killing a dismounted knight in a jiffy in a way thats likely to destroy the morale and resolve of any remaining foes. The head of this one ( http://doityourself.com/store/6480065.htm, not a medieval one but a modern equivalent ) weighs 16lbs alone, with a handle long and sturdy enough to swing it effectively that would put it over 20 lbs probably.
The heavier lances ( not carried by hand but attached to a swivel-type mountpoint on the saddle ) and halberds are probably not heavy enough to be in the same category, these halberds http://www.slam.org/exhibits/armsandarmor/staff.html seem to max out at a bit over 6 lbs.
Any chemistry people know what volume of metal would comprise 20 lbs ( ~ 9 kg ) of steel and/or iron? It would be quite a hefty chunk I imagine.. shape it into a sword and whoever you hit with it is likely to be dead afterward. It doesnt quite match the lethality of 9kgs of plutonium though.
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Originally posted by Tharizdun
Thats known as a \'Hand and a Half Sword\' in more polite company :)
Ah well, good I\'m not a part of it ^^
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Originally posted by Tharizdun
shape it into a sword and whoever you hit with it is likely to be dead afterward.
Lol...
Well yeah I\'m looking around for a claymore, don\'t know exactly how much one of those weighs, but whenever I get into weapon-stores and I lift one up...Dunno but those people in the old days, if they had to swing a sword like that all day I can imagine they didn\'t feel their arms the day after.
Weight doesn\'t really matter much, 6lbs is enough to kill your arms after a good day of swinging, stabbing, smashing, cutting, whatever. Oh, and practicing ofcourse :D
Oh btw, Drak, how much did you pay for the bastardsword?
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Originally posted by Izzy*dot
Oh btw, Drak, how much did you pay for the bastardsword?
I paid for it 200PLN, which is something like US $60.
If I lived in US I could get stuff cheaper than that and have them of better quality. However I\'m not even sure if US has any battles going on in season o.O
And I wouldn\'t worry about swinging swords as much as wearing full armour... The latter seems to tire me much faster :P
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Yeah well that\'s my problem too, here in Belgium it\'s not easy to find good swords, so I would want to order with Swordsonline. The only problem is that they ship from the US, so they sell cheap, but I have shipping costs of like US $70..This means, I want a scimitar of $50, and I have to pay $120 which I don\'t have :D
And the full armour...Heavy armour was mainly worn by cavalry, and if they got pushed of the horse it was quite impossible to get up again. People on foot wore lighter armor, which was then again easier to get through. But I can imagine, full armor is heavy, not even to mention the heat if you had to fight in blistering sun ^^
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Well by full I meant covering all the body, rather than the plate.
I don\'t wear heavy, only medium armour :P
And I\'d rather buy swords at ebay... Stuff is cheaper, shipping costs lower and the swords look outstanding anyway.
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Problem with ebay is that I don\'t always find what I want...I\'m kind of picky I guess...Swordsonline and other professional sites have mainly everything, you know...I\'ve been looking around.
Other that that I\'ve had some bad experiences with ebay :D
You...WEAR...medium armor right? Okay, explain :D
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Well, yeah... Wear... See, like here:
(http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/8440/woods9ma.jpg)
:P
Of course chainmail isn\'t all. Alone it is pretty light. The problem comes when I put on additional protection under it ;)
What else should be explained? :P
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Uuuuhm....
The \"WHY\" maybe? :) You know, as in : \"Just for fun\", or \"to scare people\" or \"just because\" or \"to kill\" or any other reason :D
Looks pretty cool...I might as well be jealous :D
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For now it\'s just for fun. It would change if I were trained enough so that I could go for tournaments and battles with my knighthood. But before that happens I might just move to USA, bleh :P
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Ah so you\'ve been looking for sword-classes too then? :D None here in Belgium, probably none at your place too...
Must be cool, knowing perfectly how to handle a sword, being able to do tournaments...Making money and fame with something as awesome as that :D
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Originally posted by Izzy*dot
Ah so you\'ve been looking for sword-classes too then? :D None here in Belgium, probably none at your place too...
There are four knighthoods in my city alone :P
I belong to the best (most rigorous) of those. The official members of it were nicked \"The Mazurian Butchers\" in one knightly magazine =P
This summer they took first two places in a tournament they organised. The final duel, with the background music was pure <3
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Man, you\'re making me REALLY jealous right now o.O
Soooo...You ARE training. Whilst I\'m sitting here unable to find anything in the vicinity. I\'m jealous.
I would love to see some tournaments too, but over here they\'re just not doing them. And you know, I can imagine seeing a duel between a couple of good trained persons gives -->Shivers down your spine :D
/me jealous.
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Tournaments aren\'t the coolest thing around here ;]
Since you like viking metal, check this (http://www.tyr.net/videors.asp?Cmd=9). A videoclip made by T?r with scenes from the Jomsborg Viking Festival held in Poland.
It\'s not our biggest battle event though. That one would be the Grunwald Battle (which although taking place very close to my city, can be a pain to get to, as it\'s really, really popular)
(http://miasto.livenet.pl/gci/news/tan2005/PICT4823_JPG.jpg)
(http://miasto.livenet.pl/gci/news/tan2005/PICT4871_JPG.jpg)
(http://miasto.livenet.pl/gci/news/tan2005/PICT4858_JPG.jpg)
And then there\'s Malbork Siege:
(http://www.album-grunwaldzki.iq.pl/oblezenie2002/grafika/obl74.jpg)
(http://www.album-grunwaldzki.iq.pl/oblezenie2002/grafika/obl76.jpg)
...But yeah ^^
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As to bad ebay experiences, keep all emails, analyze all descriptions carefully, and never buy quickly. One guy did a chargeback on me(Unjustly, I might add), so I sent in his emails, proving that he should have known what he was doing(He bought on impulse without considering his purchase carefully). His own Credit Card compnay ruled against him(as I said unjustly).
Now I have to add my envy to Izzy\'s. There is nothing like that in Kentucky(We rednecks just shoot at each other :D ). So now I must see if there are tournament rules somewhere, so I can try to organize something like that here. Thanks for the inspire!
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Originally posted by Tharizdun
Any chemistry people know what volume of metal would comprise 20 lbs ( ~ 9 kg ) of steel and/or iron? It would be quite a hefty chunk I imagine.. shape it into a sword and whoever you hit with it is likely to be dead afterward. It doesnt quite match the lethality of 9kgs of plutonium though.
Depending on the type of steel used, the density of steel ranges from 7500-8000 kg/m3 (roughly).
9kg of steel would be approximately 0.00116 m3 of volume. To put that in perspective, it would be a 10.5 cm cube of solid steel, so its pretty big.
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That could make even a 5 meters sword ;)
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interesting.
still, I\'d be quite happy with a bloody big stick :]
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Sounds like a Gut Sword could be made from it!
From the Anime Berserk for those tha don\'t know.
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Valbrandr: Most books I have read have either said overly heavy weights or been very vague on weight, and one went so far as to say that training swords weighed 60 pounds so they could swing a real sword faster! eep!
Draklar: I wish I could be there! I have always wanted to be a prt of something like that, or even jsut bash around with friends, but 3 reasons stop that: 1. there is nothing like that in my area, 2. my friends aren\'t into bashing each other with sticks and mock swords (well, a few were, but I moved :( ) 3. my age makes it impossible for me to join certain places that do have such things, as I ca\'nt sign waivers and such, and 18 is usually the min age for joining.
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http://www.samurai-store.com/sword/
Only like 10000000000 times better. :)
So whos up to go to japan and train to be samurais?
Atually I would prefer ninjas...
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Originally posted by JellyWerker
my age makes it impossible for me to join certain places that do have such things, as I ca\'nt sign waivers and such, and 18 is usually the min age for joining.
In my knighthood people who are below 18 just need to bring a note from their parents showing that they are allowed to participate.
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i know nothing about these spikey shiney lumps of metal :P but my bow draws at ~40lbs. for something to put an arrow through both sides of someones armour and nail them to a wall, you use 100lbs ;)
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40 lbs? I think I\'ve been shooting from a bow with such rate... I suck at those, to say the least :P
Couldn\'t send the arrows anywhere near the target. I just happen to believe my hands aren\'t meant for that ;)
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Draklar: lucky! :P If I get enough people interested though, I could get the correct paperwork and start my own :D I could probably even get sponsors/donations to pay for some starter equipment and supplies for making other stuff.