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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: Jakob on January 08, 2006, 07:31:04 pm
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I know I\'m not the only paranoid shmuck out there. It seems like just about anything that happens, at least here in America, can be blamed on some kind of government conspiracy (I don\'t think the X-Files helped any...:rolleyes: ). I want to hear some of the more interesting and some of the more absurd conspiracy theories there are to be found out there...
I have to say I do believe that the government knows more about extraterestrial life and interstellar travel than they admit, especially since USAF claims that they might (emphasis mine because I don\'t entirely believe it.) have a working interstellar travel prototype that they might(see above) be able to test in about 5 years.
I also believe that someone is out to get anyone and I am a person and therefore a potential target for someone.
On the more obscure and ridiculous end of things I\'ve heard that some people believe that the natural disasters hitting all over the place are part of a secret US weather control weapon. (I suppose anything is possible but...)
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You brought up the monster, let us just hope that Nebuduck doesn\'t quote me in this thread.
Believing in some government controlling the events is no better (or worse) thatn believing in a god. Are there conspiracies, probably. Is every single strange event a conspiracy, unlikely.
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Didn\'t say I don\'t believe they aren\'t controlling stuff they have no business being in, but I think weather control is a bit overboard.
Incidentaly... A conspiracy, according to dictionary.com is \"An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.\"
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Truth is stranger than fiction.
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/
http://www.doublestandards.org/enemies.htm
http://ralou.radioleft.com/blog/_archives/2004/11/28/192606.html
http://talkleft.com/
http://www.fauxnewschannel.com/
The conspiracy is the same conspiracy over and over again. The Right wing politicians in America murder someone, or start a war, or rig an election, or steal money. They do something horrible in the name of greed and power. And then they use their control over the mass media to lie about it to the American people.
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then i guess few here have heard of the apollo 13 conspiracy.
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You mean the conspiracy about the apollo 13 conspiracy... There is definitive proof it happened.
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apollo 13 happened. but, well did they actualy make it back? that is the conspiracy.
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I am personally a big fan of the moon landing conspiracy... debunking it that is. I wish people would just give up and say \"We made it, ok. Happy Now?\" and then I can say \"Yes\" and find some other strange thing that people believe.
As for the Apollo 13... I never studied that one... never actually heard it before really.
/me goes off to study the arguments
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I for one have serious problems with all the mysteriousnessness around Area 51. What the hell, just tell us if there was something or not, if you found something or not, don\'t be all mysteriouslike thingies. You know what I mean? :)
Oh and all the disasters lately...it\'s not some weather controlling device...it\'s just us humans who have totally *bleeped* up the world, and now we\'re bearing the consequences of that :)
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Here is my conspiracy theory. Corporations run the world. Governments are just puppets and pawns of powerful corporations whose end motive is to control and manipulate the public to give over more money to them.
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hey wait, that\'s not a conspiracy theory... it\'s called capitalism! ha ha
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(now will someone call me a communist? or even worse... a liberal!? :P )
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Originally posted by ylikone
Here is my conspiracy theory. Corporations run the world. Governments are just puppets and pawns of powerful corporations whose end motive is to control and manipulate the public to give over more money to them.
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hey wait, that\'s not a conspiracy theory... it\'s called capitalism! ha ha
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(now will someone call me a communist? or even worse... a liberal!? :P )
You liberal communist :P lol.
Area 51 was a nuclear test sight. The real stuff isn\'t there anyway, it\'s just a distractor. There\'s another base that I don\'t think is that far away from 51 that is the real location. Area 51 won\'t stay secret forever but it\'ll let Them stall until They have to move again. Or maybe that\'s what They want us to think...
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Area 51 isn\'t a secret. There are satalite images of it all over the net.
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Area 51 isn\'t what they are doing there however isn\'t totally clear, although I seriously doubt they are still doing anything ultra secret there. It\'s the eyecatcher now. Only things they have there are probably stuff almost everyone knows they are doing but just don\'t know the details of.
Appollo 13 conspiracy never happened I think there is some good proof they were there like reflections from the moon from equipment that was left behind after the landing. You can\'t reflect light if you haven\'t been there ;)
And haven\'t heard arguments that haven\'t been explained aswell.
The rosswell incident would be interesting. They were definately hiding something there but what? ;)
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Originally posted by Jakob
I have to say I do believe that the government knows more about extraterestrial life and interstellar travel than they admit, especially since USAF claims that they might (emphasis mine because I don\'t entirely believe it.) have a working interstellar travel prototype that they might(see above) be able to test in about 5 years.
Right now it is hard enough to land on something close as Mars. Those so called \'consipracies\' circulating on the internet are simple rumors based on next to nothing.
Originally posted by Jakob
Didn\'t say I don\'t believe they aren\'t controlling stuff they have no business being in, but I think weather control is a bit overboard.
Wow, a quadrupple negation in one sentence! 8) I do agree with your conclusion though. ;)
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Originally posted by hitancrias
Originally posted by Jakob
I have to say I do believe that the government knows more about extraterestrial life and interstellar travel than they admit, especially since USAF claims that they might (emphasis mine because I don\'t entirely believe it.) have a working interstellar travel prototype that they might(see above) be able to test in about 5 years.
Right now it is hard enough to land on something close as Mars. Those so called \'consipracies\' circulating on the internet are simple rumors based on next to nothing.
Originally posted by Jakob
Didn\'t say I don\'t believe they aren\'t controlling stuff they have no business being in, but I think weather control is a bit overboard.
Wow, a quadrupple negation in one sentence! 8) I do agree with your conclusion though. ;)
Actually that engine is based on an a fairly reputable article posted on Slashdot (http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/05/1839256&tid=160&tid=14)
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And that engine is based on a quite plausable theory, but is untested, extremely hard to follow (like only 5 guys on this planet actually have a very good idea of how it works), and we don\'t have the materials available to build an experiment to test it yet... so it\'s unlikely that anyone is actually building something like that.... yet. Of course, if the theory is correct then we can travel to Mars in 3 hours. :)
Edit: Oh yeah, I read a very good article on it in New Scientist Magazine.
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ok I saw this on TV and it is a law in USA to;
\"Try to contact Aliens by any means\" and guess the penalty for it, lol it life imprisonment and a large fine. now someone made that law up to hide something ehh???...
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That is law is bogus.
I talk to extra-terrestirals all the time and I never got in any trouble for it.
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Originally posted by Jinkeen
That is law is bogus.
I talk to extra-terrestirals all the time and I never got in any trouble for it.
uhah... Right... lol :P
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There are many places like area 51, its just the most well known one. They just design and test weapons for the military.
And if you wanna know how you get into area 51 theres a white plane with a single red stripe and nothing else on it that leaves las vegas airport every day...
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well either way something had to have put us on earth or something that was put here evolved into us... Just think it\'s obvious it\'s not exactly easy to start life from no life. I think teachers are starting to teach to students that Humans were put here on earth...
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Originally posted by verideon
well either way something had to have put us on earth or something that was put here evolved into us... Just think it\'s obvious it\'s not exactly easy to start life from no life. I think teachers are starting to teach to students that Humans were put here on earth...
No. All you need is a highschool level understanding of biology to know that\'s bull.
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Originally posted by zanzibar
No. All you need is a highschool level understanding of biology to know that\'s bull.
Yeah well and a bit of chemistry too.
You know the stuff, electricity, molecules, organic chemistry, one celled organisms, multiple celled organisms, fishies, fishies tired of the water so they crawl out of it, and the whole rampatamp after that.
---> Humans.
I don\'t have chemistry anymore since I\'m in a filmschool now, but I guess that\'s how it went if I remember clearly.
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Originally posted by Izzy*dot
Originally posted by zanzibar
No. All you need is a highschool level understanding of biology to know that\'s bull.
Yeah well and a bit of chemistry too.
You know the stuff, electricity, molecules, organic chemistry, one celled organisms, multiple celled organisms, fishies, fishies tired of the water so they crawl out of it, and the whole rampatamp after that.
---> Humans.
I don\'t have chemistry anymore since I\'m in a filmschool now, but I guess that\'s how it went if I remember clearly.
Yeah. Something about a type A atmosphere leading to complex nitrogen compounds yadda yadda yadda.
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Originally posted by Pestilence
Appollo 13 conspiracy never happened I think there is some good proof they were there like reflections from the moon from equipment that was left behind after the landing. You can\'t reflect light if you haven\'t been there ;)
you\'re thinking of the apollo 11 conspiracy where they faked the first moon landings. which did happen. though the problem with your evidence is that there were other landings which could have placed the reflectors.
but apollo thirteen, well they never made it back... ooops i\'ve said too much.
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Steuben, could you point me in the direction of some info on that Apollo 13 thing?
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the conspriacy surrounding apollo 13 is that they never made it back.
most of the story is well known. the thing is that their return orbit was too wide. they were a few hundred pounds too light, with no real guidance, flying a minimally controled craft. end result they were about 50-75 miles high in their return orbit. as a result they skipped off the earth\'s atmosphere. the resulting orbit has something like a 150 year period. the nasa scientists at the time figured it about a day or so before their \"return.\" enough time to rig up a previous apollo capusule to the bottom of a bomber. the capsule was dropped to simulate the return of apollo 13.
the clues:
1. the radio sign off of apollo 13 upon touch down. radio was deemed a non-critcal component for the power up the caspule upon return.
2. the longer then normal \"blackout\" period of the capsule upon re-entry. you can calculate this pretty tightly.
3. the capsule was located pretty quickly after splash down. they were coming in controlled and very off trajectory they would have come down anywhere.
4. the \"crew\" was shuffled quickly from chopper to chopper on the carrier. they had their caps pulled down. you never do get a good look at their faces.
there are other clues as well.
the conspiarcy works because the nature of events allowed for a very few people to know about them. for example, the control room staff didn\'t need to need to know about things.
the reason this was all done was simple american pride and one upmanship of the soviets. the americans has not lost a man in space. the soviets had had a couple die up there by this point. so to keep their edge the american faked their return.