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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Suno_Regin on January 25, 2006, 11:29:33 pm
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Apperantly, GMs are now overflowing on the highscores. Now, all of the scores are no longer hard-working players, but edited stats. Please put the filter back in, and let the normal players stay on the scores.
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or better still remove them completely
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I\'m having an awful time trying to view the Laanx character stats page :/ Can anyone post here the supposed GM names that are on the charts? I have a nagging suspicion that they aren\'t GM characters at all.
Typos!
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I\'ve got 200 in everything I think :P
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I\'m maybe blind, but i couln\'t find something like \"Highscores\" on the Server-Page (http:laanx.fragnetics.com)
Where can i find them?
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The page (which works fine now, yay!) is http://laanx.fragnetics.com/index.php?page=char_stats (http://laanx.fragnetics.com/index.php?page=char_stats). There used to be a link to it on the main Laanx page, but it was removed for whatever reason :>
And now that I see the stats, I do agree - some sort of filter for GMs is a good idea. (And who is \"Hance\"? o.O)
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People can\'t edit duel points, so I\'d especially like to know how Nathaluth and the others got all those points in such a short time. I don\'t even know who Nathaluth is. >_>
EDIT: There was a filter before, Karyuu, so only players could show up on the high scores. But, since that was removed, GMs raided the high scores and bumped me down to a newbie duelist. =/
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The filter wasn\'t removed. My guess is the new GM levels code is pissing it off.
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Originally posted by Suno_Regin
Apperantly, GMs are now overflowing on the highscores. Now, all of the scores are no longer hard-working players, but edited stats. Please put the filter back in, and let the normal players stay on the scores.
those chars are no longer GMs and have had their powers removed and therefore are no longer filtered out of the listings. (all previously level 3+ who set their skill levels.)
Hance was a GM.
Nathaluth.... strikes a bell (is that even a phrase) not sure why.
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Originally posted by Suno_Regin
Apperantly, GMs are now overflowing on the highscores. Now, all of the scores are no longer hard-working players, but edited stats. Please put the filter back in, and let the normal players stay on the scores.
Who the hell cares? They\'re just stats.
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Originally posted by zanzibar
Originally posted by Suno_Regin
Apperantly, GMs are now overflowing on the highscores. Now, all of the scores are no longer hard-working players, but edited stats. Please put the filter back in, and let the normal players stay on the scores.
Who the hell cares? They\'re just stats.
Because it\'s discouraging to people who actually play the game.
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I removed the link on the main laanx site because I did not think they reflected the true stats. For example, some NPCs were topping those lists. Initially these stats were a way to encourage players to stay online in CB. Now that we are getting good online numbers I don\'t think we need these \'top ten\' type lists again. Personally, I would be in favour of replacing this with more indepth discussions from particular people, guilds. For example, player/guild interviews I think are a better way to encourage players to stay online and build their character.
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Originally posted by Vjorin
Originally posted by zanzibar
Originally posted by Suno_Regin
Apperantly, GMs are now overflowing on the highscores. Now, all of the scores are no longer hard-working players, but edited stats. Please put the filter back in, and let the normal players stay on the scores.
Who the hell cares? They\'re just stats.
Because it\'s discouraging to people who actually play the game.
No it isn\'t. It\'s discouraging only if what matters to you is having the most leet character. I would hope that most people here are above something so shallow as that.
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If that were the case, then what\'s the point of the high scores in the first place?
Raising skills are still part of the game, and if people max out at their own will, then it removes that aspect of the game.
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Originally posted by Drey
Originally posted by Suno_Regin
Apperantly, GMs are now overflowing on the highscores. Now, all of the scores are no longer hard-working players, but edited stats. Please put the filter back in, and let the normal players stay on the scores.
those chars are no longer GMs and have had their powers removed and therefore are no longer filtered out of the listings. (all previously level 3+ who set their skill levels.)
Hance was a GM.
Nathaluth.... strikes a bell (is that even a phrase) not sure why.
Ah, yeah. Those characters should\'ve been deleted instead of just downgraded.
I think some sort of leader board is a good idea, but just listing stats and such is pretty meaningless. I don\'t really know what would be better, though.
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It would be better if it were a leader board of society, not of stats. Like they mentioned earlier...have leaders of guilds, politicians, etc...
Total hours online is a nice one though. Don\'t see any reason why I\'d want that one removed.
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Originally posted by Vjorin
If that were the case, then what\'s the point of the high scores in the first place?
Acraig answered that question before your post.
Raising skills are still part of the game, and if people max out at their own will, then it removes that aspect of the game.
Max out at their own will? There is another way?
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This is getting out of hand, though, Kyixi got over 500 duel points in 1 day, there can\'t be any explanation for that. Also, yes, it is discouraging, zanzibar, it\'s discouraging to me, because in less than a weak, my position as one of the greatest fighters was removed by people who just mass-duel. My dueling was for a good cause with Mitaki, I had a role-play background to it, and even without fighting evil, he was honorably dueling to test his skills, or have a good time. Now, I\'m not even there anymore, and all of these new characters are overflowing the Duel Scores for NO reason at all. They were made in less than a day and they had taken over my position that took me monthes. Those characters need deleted, seriously. >_>
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As far as I know, there\'s nothing wrong (in the code) with the advisor/duel point tallies there.
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All that knowledge about high scores, Suno, is completely OOC, and completely unnecesary. It just allows private gloating that you\'re on some arbitrary chart and your name is viewable to others, most of whom consider it utterly meaningless. Do points make you a great fighter, or a reputation in-game?
The entire thing really should be removed and replaced, as Acraig said.
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Originally posted by Suno_Regin
This is getting out of hand, though, Kyixi got over 500 duel points in 1 day, there can\'t be any explanation for that.
They\'re just duel points.
Originally posted by Suno_Regin
Also, yes, it is discouraging, zanzibar, it\'s discouraging to me, because in less than a weak, my position as one of the greatest fighters was removed by people who just mass-duel.
Meaningless and shallow. If you were a great fighter before, then you\'re a great fighter now. So someone is better than you! Big freaking deal! Kyixi can\'t take away from who you are just through duel points though. That is, unless all you are is duel points?
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Who cares about stats, the only highscores to care about is the crystal one from MB :D.
Look theres me --> (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/fireofsoul/Copyof10004rubysforme.jpg)
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I don\'t know. To some extent ofcourse things should be roleplaying, but we aren\'t talking about a messageboard ehere we are talking about a roleplaying game. roleplaying within a game where the game should be the Dungeon Master and decide what what.
I mean you shouldn\'t play being a swordsfighter if you don\'t have any of the skills. Don\'t roleplay an evil army when your really outnumbered 1 to 10.
The game should bring some reality to the claims people make to make it not everyone can be the best of the best and so roleplaying is more realistic.
Perhaps challenges of some kind or more suiting then these top tens, but atleast it should be somewhat objective and not just who the best storyteller is.
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Agreed, but like I said - the best \"score\" is your reputation in-game ;)
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/me throws a brick at Karyuu. The best score is the crystal one! jeeze :P I just had to disagree seeing as i have nothing else to do today :)
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My apologies for assuming that we were discussing something applicable to the current game :P
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Originally posted by Pestilence
I don\'t know. To some extent ofcourse things should be roleplaying, but we aren\'t talking about a messageboard ehere we are talking about a roleplaying game. roleplaying within a game where the game should be the Dungeon Master and decide what what.
I mean you shouldn\'t play being a swordsfighter if you don\'t have any of the skills. Don\'t roleplay an evil army when your really outnumbered 1 to 10.
The game should bring some reality to the claims people make to make it not everyone can be the best of the best and so roleplaying is more realistic.
Perhaps challenges of some kind or more suiting then these top tens, but atleast it should be somewhat objective and not just who the best storyteller is.
Even if I had an army of evil warriors which outnumbered everyone else, I still wouldn\'t be able to really play with it since there\'s no open PVP.
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well you could if all the gm\'s decided to setmode NPC, but that would be no fun.
But yes, no one should really care about highscores, who really cares if someone is on the highscores or not?
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the game is still limited, but that\'s kinda my point. In real life people are sometimes forced into things. You can change things when you don\'t even have to have a majority.
With roleplaying it sometimes is to easy to ignore what you don\'t agree with. Pretend you can\'t get caught eventhough someone faster is chasing you for example.
With things like D&D for example it\'s the Dungeon Master who tells people when they are dreaming. Here it will have to be the game.
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Nathaluth is a member of the Dragon Council, just like me.
We both have no way of altering the stats in Laanx.
We both fought hard for gaining our Duelpoints.
There is no cheating involved in this, if someone thinks it.
I am also busy with gaining AP\'s so in future i will appear in laanx-stats with my AP\'s too.
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Originally posted by gladiator76
Nathaluth is a member of the Dragon Council, just like me.
We both have no way of altering the stats in Laanx.
We both fought hard for gaining our Duelpoints.
There is no cheating involved in this, if someone thinks it.
I am also busy with gaining AP\'s so in future i will appear in laanx-stats with my AP\'s too.
And I thought you were different...
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dont gain Ap\'s to get into the highscore, do it to help people. Its ridicule to just do that because your answers would probably be... yeah.
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This is why advisor points will probably be removed in the near future completely - it\'s just another number to raise for some people, and they give absolutely crap answers to people genuinely asking for help, just to get another point. You\'ve no idea how many times I\'ve wanted to pick up an advisor, turn him or her upside down, and shake them until all the stupid falls out.
If you\'re advising because you want to be on some chart, please, disable your advisormode permanently.
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AP\'s is one thing I noticed, too. I actually saw someone reply, \"Can you repeat the question for me, please?\" (you don\'t want to know how badly they spelled it)
and the person repeated it, and they didn\'t even answer back. They were just in it to get a point.
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yep, a bunch of morons \"P0W3R13V311NG F0R T33H G4IN\" its stupid, takes the chance away from proper advisers and also the newbie is left stranded.
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And I actually thought hance was a great guy. <_<
Well anyways I dont give an applebread for the highscores, or the \"hall of shame\" how I like to call it. I am not against competition, however it should be kept ingame. If you can best someone, or outwit him, you are better, no matter who has the most DPs.
Well, in my opinion both DPs and APs are kinda, counter-productive, people tend to forget about the world and just freak out on getting a higher number in these two fields...
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I know Nathaluth and Tarel, and yes, they don\'t cheat. Trust me, I am also in the Dragon Council.
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We were just having some fun getting in that list, with no cheating I may add (at least I don\'t think it was cheating, if it was I would have never have done it in the first place); asides from that all those lists mean absolutly nothing to me and I wouldn\'t mind one bit should they get removed, nor would I mind them staying.
As a matter of fact, I don\'t even like real duals or fighting in general for that matter and under normal conditions would never take part in a dual (with exeption of mug-duals in which no one gets hurt).
I just wanted to get on top of one of those lists, just once for, well, fun. And dual points were the easiest to get not to mention easiest to loose. The first chance I get I\'ll get rid of those Dual Points the same way I got them. So you don\'t have to worry about me taking your spot in that list, I\'ll more than gladly give it back to you.
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Originally posted by Nathaluth Sumaza
As a matter of fact, I don\'t even like real duals or fighting in general for that matter and under normal conditions would never take part in a dual (with exeption of mug-duals in which no one gets hurt).
I just wanted to get on top of one of those lists, just once for, well, fun.
I do hope you dueled in-character, and explained it in-game in better terms ;)
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I disagree on you, Karyuu.
I don\'t collect the AP\'s to get only in the highscore.
You look at it from the wrong side.
I am here for helping people.
You can ask every GM around if i ever gave a false answer.
I never gave a false answer.
I am more likely to help people to well.
From the time i begann i was accused several times of helping players to well.
As players ask a question i answer it fully and not even half.
I got many angry messages from some players, that i should stop with advising. I was telling to much
I am not like some other advisors who gives the answer:
\"You have to search on you\'re own for you\'re answer. I would not like to spoil the game for you.\"
The advisors who did it, know who i am talking about.
I am not going to mention names.
They are known around, because i filed many complaints about them.
So Zanzibar i am different then the rest.
All the questions and my asnwers are logged in my PC.
And even if you delete my AP\'s or take them out of PS,
it would not make a difference to me.
But if they stay ingame i deserve to be in the list, like all the others.
And i willl still help everyone without asking anything in return and without hiding information towards them.
I know i make some people pissed with this action,
but i fully don\'t care about them.
An Advisor must do his job well, or should not do it at all.
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I never accused you of giving false answers, nor did I ever speak of you in particular.
Originally posted by gladiator76
I am not like some other advisors who gives the answer:
\"You have to search on you\'re own for you\'re answer. I would not like to spoil the game for you.\"
That is precisely the answer you are meant to give sometimes - advisors are not supposed to give solutions to quests, concrete directions out of the Death Realm, etc. It\'s great that you\'re being helpful, but be helpful without spoiling anything, as you so quoted.
Beyond that, good to hear that you\'re dedicated to helping ;)
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Sorry Karyuu,
i was responding to a message you posted.
i am not attacking you\'re answer, but am telling i
am not that kind of advisor you are referring to.
Karyuu wrote:
it\'s just another number to raise for some people, and they give absolutely crap answers to people genuinely asking for help, just to get another point. You\'ve no idea how many times I\'ve wanted to pick up an advisor, turn him or her upside down, and shake them until all the stupid falls out.
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/me uses his \'wtf?\' face O.o
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Yay for list.
Why not what harm are thy doing, if you don\'t like don\'t look, ignore them.
Are they ingame for all to see NO.
Are thy here for you to see NO.
So big deal someone is better than you, try harder don\'t whine. (learnt that the hard way)
Adviser Points. If i don\'t know its nice to know who to ask, as i monitor all the time i am ingame, so i know who is good at advice. Yes there is BAD advice given, BUT there is also a lot of GOOD given too. GMs monitor and do inform you if you are giving wrong or bad advise, so there is some sort of control.
( I still strongly disagree with claiming a session, and don\'t do it, but hay don\'t care take a look i am back smiles)
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Originally posted by Karyuu
I do hope you dueled in-character, and explained it in-game in better terms ;)
Ehm, somewhat embarrising to admit, but no... You see that little point increasement was completely out of character. Normally I hardly ever fight duals (never say never ;) ). There\'s not much point for a scientist to be dualling, now is there? ^^
Actually I thought no one would notice if I just went on top of that list for just a little while and then dissapeared again, ehm, you see, the ehh, disappearing part, I haven\'t quite gotten round to that yet, but don\'t worry I will soon. And I assure you I will not do such a thing again, didn\'t know it would cause any trouble, if so, I wouldn\'t have done it in the first place.
Post Scriptum. @Karyuu. Alright I know the following doesn\'t really belong in this place of the Forums, hence it\'s in the \"Post Scriptum\"-part of this message. I\'m putting it as add to this message because alone it would be spam-ish, seeing it would be short, rather pointless seeing you probably already know this (hardly ever(/never) use certain either, only certainty is a high probability ;) ), don\'t think it would be annoying though seeing I wouldn\'t consider the finding positive of something and then telling it annoying, it would most defininate be a message though. So part spam, part not spam, spam-ish.
Anyway to the point (I get carried away like this quite allot...):
Your website is absolutly fantastic, splendid art and writing as well as most amusing art and writing; (this includes the description you gave to your art works and the \"essence of me\"-part, just great. From what I\'ve seen you\'ve got a gift for that sort a thing ut humiliter opinor, and I haven\'t even seen much , hope you don\'t mind me saying so. ^^).
Post Post Scriptum. I hope the first non-post scriptum part which does belong here balances the not belonging post sciptum part. :)
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Originally posted by Nathaluth Sumaza
Originally posted by Karyuu
I do hope you dueled in-character, and explained it in-game in better terms ;)
Ehm, somewhat embarrising to admit, but no... You see that little point increasement was completely out of character. Normally I hardly ever fight duals (never say never ;) ). There\'s not much point for a scientist to be dualling, now is there? ^^
Well, so why did you duell then? Just to get on the list? If so, shame over you.
Anyways many people (like me, for example) don\'t even care about those lists, and those who do shouldn\'t do either. The (IMHO) only useful purpose of this page is to see who is online at the moment. Not more.
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Ok I thought I\'d add my thoughts to this matter...
The Dual Point list is utterly pointless and can easily be manipulated. :P I for one think it promotes OOC dueling and powerlvlin just so some can have their name up there.
IMO the list should removed... or better yet DP until it has some purpose other than to show/brag how many newbs heads you\'ve bashed in.
Thus my three names will remain there
Originally posted by Suno_Regin
Those characters need deleted, seriously. >_>
*shrugs* you can make it your goal to have your name upon that list... But keep in mind - it\'ll be knocked off far quicker than you got it there ;)
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Duel points only incourage actions that are done out of character....in other words ppl do things because of duel points...and that is not RP PERIOD
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Originally posted by Thoronador
Well, so why did you duell then? Just to get on the list? If so, shame over you.
Anyways many people (like me, for example) don\'t even care about those lists, and those who do shouldn\'t do either. The (IMHO) only useful purpose of this page is to see who is online at the moment. Not more.
Well, yeah... Hence the \"embarrising\" part... Shame and embarrisment go allong quite well, should you not know... (There wasn\'t any actual dualling though.... And it was all completely out of character).
The \"plan\", which quite frankly cannot be called well-thought-out I admit, went somewhat wrong, those points I have at the moment should have already been long gone.
Further more as I clearly stated, those lists don\'t mean a thing to be either, that, however doesn\'t mean one can\'t have a little fun with them... Didn\'t see the harm of doing it at the time, simply because these list can be so easily manipulated that I didn\'t see that any one would hold any value to them.
Seeing that this, for some, does not seem to be the case, I\'ll be off that list in no time from now at all, and my sincere appologies to those who do care about that list.
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it would be interesting to see what happened if both dp and ap were removed...
Suno_Regin: this if for you (http://www.youthink.com/quiz.asp?action=take&quiz_id=1148)
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vaguely related, but I wish lists like these would get reset every year or something, so new people might have a chance in hell. Every game I\'ve played that\'s had stats like these are always these ridiculous high scores that someone managed through some exploit or weakness in the game that have been fixed/nerfed by the time I arrived--making it essentially impossible to beat.
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Originally posted by BlackAcre
vaguely related, but I wish lists like these would get reset every year or something, so new people might have a chance in hell. Every game I\'ve played that\'s had stats like these are always these ridiculous high scores that someone managed through some exploit or weakness in the game that have been fixed/nerfed by the time I arrived--making it essentially impossible to beat.
i managed to make it onto the advisor list pre wipe about 7 months after the CB version was released, i joined around 3 months after its release.
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Results may vary!
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Well, for those who care about that list, my Dual Points have been brought down to 0 ; -0,02 to be precise. So I should be of that list the next time it\'s updated.
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Originally posted by BlackAcre
vaguely related, but I wish lists like these would get reset every year or something, so new people might have a chance in hell. Every game I\'ve played that\'s had stats like these are always these ridiculous high scores that someone managed through some exploit or weakness in the game that have been fixed/nerfed by the time I arrived--making it essentially impossible to beat.
QFT. I remember playing Runescape and thinking it\'s freaking impossible to get on their top 10 lists. However, I think that this is not what I want PS to be. If there is a top list I want it based on community respect and achievement rather than killing that rat over and over again or dueling everybody under the sun. Unfortuantly, at the moment we are a very technical team at the moment and we are constantly working on making our core structure work and work well.
So it may not seem like there is a lot going on in the game but if you see from my point of view there is constant progress and improvement. I fully understand that players need more stuff to keep their interest and believe me, that stuff will come. But before we can add all the cool stuff we have to focus on stuff that nobody really sees. So we are trying to add simple things ( like the crystal hunt/duel points ) that give players things to do. Now that those have appear to have run it\'s course we will try to think of some things we can add that will keep players interest.
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Originally posted by acraig
Originally posted by BlackAcre
vaguely related, but I wish lists like these would get reset every year or something, so new people might have a chance in hell. Every game I\'ve played that\'s had stats like these are always these ridiculous high scores that someone managed through some exploit or weakness in the game that have been fixed/nerfed by the time I arrived--making it essentially impossible to beat.
QFT. I remember playing Runescape and thinking it\'s freaking impossible to get on their top 10 lists. However, I think that this is not what I want PS to be. If there is a top list I want it based on community respect and achievement rather than killing that rat over and over again or dueling everybody under the sun. Unfortuantly, at the moment we are a very technical team at the moment and we are constantly working on making our core structure work and work well.
So it may not seem like there is a lot going on in the game but if you see from my point of view there is constant progress and improvement. I fully understand that players need more stuff to keep their interest and believe me, that stuff will come. But before we can add all the cool stuff we have to focus on stuff that nobody really sees. So we are trying to add simple things ( like the crystal hunt/duel points ) that give players things to do. Now that those have appear to have run it\'s course we will try to think of some things we can add that will keep players interest.
I can totally respect that.
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Originally posted by BlackAcre
vaguely related, but I wish lists like these would get reset every year or something, so new people might have a chance in hell. Every game I\'ve played that\'s had stats like these are always these ridiculous high scores that someone managed through some exploit or weakness in the game that have been fixed/nerfed by the time I arrived--making it essentially impossible to beat.
Every wipe they do get reset. about a month ago i was at top of AP list with 1800 or so, i deleted my carictor and started again, in three weeks i am back on list for Advising.
I strongly resent the implied \"ridiculous high scores that someone managed through some exploit or weakness\" i do not cheat in anyway to get my points or deliberately grab questions to get the point. I do it to help bad spelling and all. MY NAME IN GAME IS JANNER. and my aim in game is to help were i can.
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Ok. Let\'s say 50 people cheat their way to the top of the score table.
What freaking difference does it make?
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By zanzibar
Ok. Let\'s say 50 people cheat their way to the top of the score table.
Duh only room for 5.
By zanzibar
What freaking difference does it make?
So you condone cheating.
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Personnally I think there\'s a difference between \"not caring\" and \"condoning\". When it comes to this subject I chose the former.
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Originally posted by r.guppy
By zanzibar
Ok. Let\'s say 50 people cheat their way to the top of the score table.
Duh only room for 5.
By zanzibar
What freaking difference does it make?
So you condone cheating.
What a stupid response. If someone changes those stats, it makes NO difference to anyone else. It hurts no one and nothing in any meaningful way.
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i think one way of preventing that is my making it so that when you develop skills in one area you develop certain advantages/disadvantages so that its easier to learn related skills and harder to learn skills that are far different. i don\'t know the technicalities right now but say using fire magic you need will stat, but the more fire magic you train in, the lower your charisma just by a little so that its harder to become good at dark magic(altho not impossible, just more difficult) which requires more charisma... i think in that way you could have the game keep a sense of balance of power. - i don\'t mean this literally but just trying to give the idea of what i\'m saying.
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Originally posted by noXide
Ok I thought I\'d add my thoughts to this matter...
The Dual Point list is utterly pointless and can easily be manipulated. :P I for one think it promotes OOC dueling and powerlvlin just so some can have their name up there.
IMO the list should removed... or better yet DP until it has some purpose other than to show/brag how many newbs heads you\'ve bashed in.
Thus my three names will remain there
Originally posted by Suno_Regin
Those characters need deleted, seriously. >_>
*shrugs* you can make it your goal to have your name upon that list... But keep in mind - it\'ll be knocked off far quicker than you got it there ;)
You don\'t care about the list, yet you have Kyixi duel your stat-edited GM Noxide, which gives about 50 points per kill. You can\'t say you don\'t care, if you spend that much time camping for points. I got mine the fair way (most duels were IC, others were to remove annoying spawn campers) and yet, my name is knocked off by people who camped their own GM characters with an alt to rack up points.
The way I see it is: Any character that was removed from the GM position, should have all stats, skills, points, etc. returned back to the way they were before they applied.
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Originally posted by zanzibar
Originally posted by r.guppy
By zanzibar
Ok. Let\'s say 50 people cheat their way to the top of the score table.
Duh only room for 5.
By zanzibar
What freaking difference does it make?
So you condone cheating.
What a stupid response. If someone changes those stats, it makes NO difference to anyone else. It hurts no one and nothing in any meaningful way.
Not to belabor the point, but it does effect someone\'s ability to fairly compete and rank high in the ratings.
Cheating isn\'t permissible for a reason.
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I think Zanzibar agrees, but his main point is that the high scores table in itself doesn\'t affect anything at all. It\'s just private gloating that you\'re on some chart, as I said ;)
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I don\'t think of it as just a chart, but I like to think of it as something I\'m finally good at. Duel Champ is like a title to me, that I fought against strong warriors and won, that I battled fierce competetors and I had overcome. Like I said, the way I got there was -almost- completely IC, but the way Kyixi got there, was camping his GM character.
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I\'m not terribly competitive myself, but damn, we\'ve got to have a game to distinguish this from an animated chatroom. There is such a thing as taking the principle of role-playing too far to the detriment of what could be a decent game besides...But I hear what people are saying.
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Being a great warrior should happen in-game, and I\'m glad that it does. But people should know about it from talking to others in-game, not from a completely OOC chart on a page that should be removed entirely.
As Acraig said, it was just something to do, a little fun something to aim for for a while when nothing else exciting was happening. But it has run its course, and was never meant to be serious. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to know how many points you have in this and that.
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By Karyuu
I think Zanzibar agrees, but his main point is that the high scores table in itself doesn\'t affect anything at all. It\'s just private gloating that you\'re on some chart, as I said ;)
Then we disagree, to me it shows i have put a lot of hard work into helping people with there problems, It may be a bit vane of me and others but i am proud my name is there, for all who care to look.
I am not forcing you or anyone to look at it , infact it has been [link wise] removed and only if someone tells you how to find it will you find it.
Further if you cheat to get there others will soon know because i get more request for help on tells and chat than i do in help. Why ? Because i am trusted to give a honest Answer.
I also stat that a lot of request for help on tells were a direct result of players looking at the list .
So they do serve a useful purpose.
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That makes sense to me (EDIT: What Karyuu said). I suppose the ideal situation really is one where players form competitions in-game and call someone a winner based on their observable performance. But the desire to compare ourselves to our peers is always going to be there.
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Originally posted by r.guppy
By Karyuu
I think Zanzibar agrees, but his main point is that the high scores table in itself doesn\'t affect anything at all. It\'s just private gloating that you\'re on some chart, as I said ;)
Then we disagree, to me it shows i have put a lot of hard work into helping people with there problems, It may be a bit vane of me and others but i am proud my name is there, for all who care to look.
seen it done it got the t shirt, or at least a screenshot i can make into a shirt. here is one of my other shirts:
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Originally posted by Suno_Regin
You don\'t care about the list, yet you have Kyixi duel your stat-edited GM Noxide, which gives about 50 points per kill. You can\'t say you don\'t care, if you spend that much time camping for points. I got mine the fair way (most duels were IC, others were to remove annoying spawn campers) and yet, my name is knocked off by people who camped their own GM characters with an alt to rack up points.
Hmmm bit late here :P
I don\'t care about the list. What I do care about is the means some go to, to have their name up there. *thought he made that clear*
And I didn\'t have Kyixi fight my GM, that would be an insane and a very stupid idea. But there you go jumping and pointing the finger again...
I had one of my IC characters \'yield\' to Kyixi, Xshii and Xeohna. As they were all new and my IC character was quite well trained, it didn\'t take too long.
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This thread is getting a bid ridiculous..
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Originally posted by noXide
Originally posted by Suno_Regin
You don\'t care about the list, yet you have Kyixi duel your stat-edited GM Noxide, which gives about 50 points per kill. You can\'t say you don\'t care, if you spend that much time camping for points. I got mine the fair way (most duels were IC, others were to remove annoying spawn campers) and yet, my name is knocked off by people who camped their own GM characters with an alt to rack up points.
Hmmm bit late here :P
I don\'t care about the list. What I do care about is the means some go to, to have their name up there. *thought he made that clear*
And I didn\'t have Kyixi fight my GM, that would be an insane and a very stupid idea. But there you go jumping and pointing the finger again...
I had one of my IC characters \'yield\' to Kyixi, Xshii and Xeohna. As they were all new and my IC character was quite well trained, it didn\'t take too long.
So, what you\'re saying is, you made a character for Roleplaying who was well-trained, and constantly had them duel and yield to Kyixi until the points were through the roof? That isn\'t IC, and you can\'t say it is, because your true intentions were clearly to get to the top. >_>
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I never said my points were obtained via RP and to RolePlay to obtain points is utterly insane Suno... wth?! Don\'t you get this... Stats&Numbers are completely OOC, the list is OOC and promotes OOC behaviour, there is no possible way to role play DP or the list you\'re on. Yet you havn\'t the intellect to grasp this.
My reasons for doing what I did were:
1. Because the way I saw how you reacted along time ago in this thread, over an OOC out-of-game ranking bored and your constant contradiction between RP and OOC ethics.
2. I want the list removed... Proving it is flawed or can be manipulated may help that process.
I\'m not the one fighting to prove my points were obtained ICly or can even been classed as IC... ;)
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Originally posted by BlackAcre
Originally posted by zanzibar
Originally posted by r.guppy
By zanzibar
Ok. Let\'s say 50 people cheat their way to the top of the score table.
Duh only room for 5.
By zanzibar
What freaking difference does it make?
So you condone cheating.
What a stupid response. If someone changes those stats, it makes NO difference to anyone else. It hurts no one and nothing in any meaningful way.
Not to belabor the point, but it does effect someone\'s ability to fairly compete and rank high in the ratings.
Cheating isn\'t permissible for a reason.
The ratings are completely meaningless unless you happen to care about such things of so little meaning. But you shouldn\'t care!
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Yeah, we got past the point in the first page of posting :P
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Originally posted by fireofsoul
Yeah, we got past the point in the first page of posting :P
Not from what I see.
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Originally posted by zanzibar
Originally posted by fireofsoul
Yeah, we got past the point in the first page of posting :P
Not from what I see.
Just because not everyone agrees with you, doesn\'t mean they didn\'t understand you. I think most people understand you only too well.
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You disapeared from the board for a month, and then you return just to make an attempt at insulting someone? That\'s sad. I\'ve missed you too, but why don\'t you take your flaming to another board? People here actually care about the quality of content on this forum.
While you\'re at it, don\'t put words in my mouth. It comes across as ignorant.
Editted by zanzibar to make it less rude.
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I already had to delete a post from the thread - I don\'t want to have to do it again. Please keep your tempers in check, and don\'t post unless you\'re actually contributing something to the discussion.
First public warning.
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That is faaaaaaar from flaming from Pip, if you care about the quality on the forums, why not check your own posts? Anyhoo back onto the topic; Nobody cares about the Highscores and the few that do care about them are entitled to care, The end.
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Originally posted by fireofsoul
That is faaaaaaar from flaming from Pip, if you care about the quality on the forums, why not check your own posts? Anyhoo back onto the topic; Nobody cares about the Highscores and the few that do care about them are entitled to care, The end.
No. :) It was flaming. Not so veiled as your own, and made worse because she only came back to do the deed.
You contradicted yourself. Nobody cares, and the few that do.... you can\'t have it both ways. It\'s obvious that a number of people, regulars at that, do in fact care about this.
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I just found this thread and read all posts, so hopefully I\'m not repeating something that has already been said.
As lots of people already stated, the lists are completely OOC which is why only OOC things (that do not ruin RP) should be found there.
Advisor points are based on deeds done on an OOC channel, so there\'s really no reason for that list being removed. It is the only way for advisors to get credit for what they do, and they really deserve it. There is nothing saying an advisor is there to help without asking credit in return. He is there to give good answers, no matter the reasons why he decides to do so...
Dueling on the other hand, is an IC action which becomes OOC when rated on an OOC list. As long as the devs leave the list there, we really can\'t flame people for trying to reach the top.
Also, you could say a new innoficial list of the best duelists has been created through Proglin\'s great fighting tournaments (which are IC). If the devs would remove the OOC list it would be a good way to show that they encourage initiatives taken by players. :)
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hmmm well I don\'t know. duels are IC in the part that people would talk about it.
I like to think of the lists not as what is known by the players but more of what the NPC characters think and if you look at them you are listening to the gossip filling the plaza.
It\'s all how you look at it I guess. It\'s only as OOC as you make it yourself.
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its fixed now. (mostly)
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This is leading up to keeping people from having two accounts. Noxide now has THREE seperate characters in the dueling scores. What he\'s doing, is logging on with his GM account, and his newbie accounts, and constantly challenging, accepting, and yielding, to gain so many points in so little time. It should be only one character from the same IP be in the high scores, so we don\'t have this...mass collecting going on.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with having multiple characters (whether from one account or separate, owned by the same person) showing up on the charts. The characters have nothing to do with each other, and noXide himself explained in this very thread what he is doing - and what point he is trying to prove.
The charts are going to be trashed eventually anyway - they aren\'t permanent, and were never meant to be. Frankly it\'s wasted time and effort to sort through some arbitrary list on some hidden page and decide who \"should\" belong on it and who \"shouldn\'t.\"
If the charts matter so much to you, you really should reevaluate yourself.
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Well, ingame charts would be nice, though. Not these OOC charts, but in the arena, there should be some kind of recorded high score (recorded by the server, but there would also be some kind of NPC charter to ask questions about the highscore poster).
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But Karyuu, are you saying that the advisor list should be trashed as well? I couldn\'t figure that out from your post.
If you do think it should be trashed, why? :)
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Originally posted by Suno_Regin
Well, ingame charts would be nice, though. Not these OOC charts, but in the arena, there should be some kind of recorded high score (recorded by the server, but there would also be some kind of NPC charter to ask questions about the highscore poster).
How would these in-game charts be explained, if we are still dealing with duel points? Who is keeping track of these duel points in the arena, and how are they counted? Can you provide an explanation that\'ll work at all?
Sengus: the AP system itself isn\'t going to remain as is. Can\'t state exactly what will happen because a) I\'m not 100% sure, b) I\'m not at liberty to say :P But there is no reason for the AP chart as well.
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Originally posted by Suno_Regin
Noxide now has THREE seperate characters in the dueling scores. What he\'s doing, is logging on with his GM account, and his newbie accounts, and constantly challenging, accepting, and yielding, to gain so many points in so little time.
Hm I won\'t quote myself :/ I already said my GM had nothing to do with this, yet I\'m not surprised it slipped your mind. xP
Originally posted by Suno_Regin
Well, ingame charts would be nice, though. Not these OOC charts, but in the arena, there should be some kind of recorded high score (recorded by the server, but there would also be some kind of NPC charter to ask questions about the highscore poster).
Highscore of what?
Anything you obtain stat/point wise is OOC ><\' The skills/stat window: Sword=??, Light Armor=??, ...etc; OOC
To move DP from the web list to the arena on a wall, just like that... Is stupidity. It would need alot of thought. You can\'t just have a list on the wall ranking how many players you\'ve killed. How would your name make its way to the list ICly and for what reasons? You challenge a player - he accepts - whoever wins gets some sort of Dueling Exp, that\'s then updated on a wall in the arena...? Remembering that skill/stat/duel \"points\" are all OOC.
--Edit: Beat me to it xP
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Are all OOC??
They shouldn\'t be. They should be tools to roleplay with. If you play a strong person I think you should make sure your strength is trained. If you play an alchemist as soon as it works you should train it in my opinion
As I said ofcourse the way you get these stats is pretty OOC, but it should be used IC so it should never be tottally OOC.
If you feel things like stats and such are tottally OOC I think you are at the wrong place as PS is a game where you roleplay. Meaning you should use the tools given to you to make it more realistic.
If you don\'t do that you could just as well take a piece of paper and go play D&D or something as you don\'t use Planeshift anyhow exept perhaps for an easy meeting place.
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No, but I think you got it all wrong Pestilence. People are not claiming that stats are OOC, but rather that the idea of making a list based on numbers is OOC.
If after a tournament, a list is made of the best duelists, based on the results of the fights, it is an IC list.
If duel points are automatically calculated and the computer creates a list of the best duelists based on that, the list is OOC.
Of course people should train their stats and skills in order to make a credible character, but the point here is not to think that numbers, like 50 strenght, is OOC.
You understand?
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I understand the number itself is indeed OOC but it stands for something that is IC. I mean in RL you can also measure things like stength and give it a number.
The computer does this for you becuase you can\'t feel how stong your character is.
I\'m just saying that you should make it IC by saying someone is looking from the stages and keeping score or something with dueling for example or saying it\'s what the Hydlaa citizens are talking about when you ask them about a person or when you ask who the strongest man would be.
Having such a list doesn\'t have to be that OOC, only an OOC representation of what you should use IC.
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Originally posted by Pestilence
Are all OOC??
They shouldn\'t be. They should be tools to roleplay with. If you play a strong person I think you should make sure your strength is trained. If you play an alchemist as soon as it works you should train it in my opinion
The points are all OOC, yes.
Stats&numbers are not used to roleplay with and are definatley not realistic. Sure you can RP your strength is trained well, or talk ICly about how Levrus helped you master the dark magics. As soon as you mention ranks/stats, the fact you can even open your skills list or have one - becomes OOC.
Your\'re then looking at the game from a players point of view, not your characters.
And you\'ve only thought about this from a tournament view point. What happens to all the murderers, that do not wish to be on the list - wouldn\'t be on the list, because it was done away from the community (noone saw it happen) Therefor such a list cannot work.
You can\'t give DP Exp to those that only duel under a watchful eye and not anyone else.
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I disagree stats and numbers are used in roleplaying. It is an easy way to look who is stronger and it represents how you should roleplay.
As I said they are tools to roleplay.
For example when you play D&D your barbarian will have a lot more strength then the wizard normally. The number itself could be called OOC but it\'s data you use to see how one should act and if two try the same thing who succeeds and who doesn\'t.
It\'s a representation of what you can do and what not.
As for murderers haven\'t seen many of those but if thats your problem suggest you can only get dueling points at certain points in the arena for example.
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Originally posted by Pestilence
As for murderers haven\'t seen many of those but if thats your problem suggest you can only get dueling points at certain points in the arena for example.
It goes from bad to the extreme xD
If you have certain DP areas, you\'ll have mass amounts of people dueling in these areas for one purpose - to obtain the points. Thus we have the same problem as this Duel Score table out of game caused, but now it\'s in-game.
Why would your character take a walk to this \"DP Area\"? Now we can say ICly we\'re going to Levrus to learn some more about the ways of magic (not I\'m going there to raise my Crystal to 30), how would this be done for the DP areas? \'oh no sorry I cannot duel you here, for I must duel in the chamber that awards me duel points\' -.-
So currently we\'re at the stage of moving the Duel Scores to a wall in the arena and making Duel Point obtainable areas, so people can access this list... Hmmm and this is all for the reason of? I mean why does my character need DP, will it help him/her later on in-game?
Anywho, it doesn\'t solve any problems that we have discussed with the previous scoreboard. It\'ll still be cheatable and promote OOC actions.
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OK now your not even trying to understand Noxide.
RP reason: obvious thats the dueling arena. In previous ages if you challenged someone to a duel you would also propose a time and place and wouldn\'t start fighting were they were. Thats the difference between a duel and a brawl.
And does this mean thats the only place you could duel for RP reasons? No ofcourse not but then you just wouldn\'t aquire the fame that comes from winning in the arena as no offical people are looking and making notes.
As for OOC misuse of those DPs thats a different point altogether. I do agree such things shouldn\'t be allowed, but I see no real way to stop it.
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There is no use for DP, if you can RP dueling anywhere, why have the DP? You still havn\'t answered my question.
Noone has given a good reason to keep DP. Other than use of points/scoreboard - \'look how many newbs I\'ve bashed in\'
This can all be role played, as you have so clearly stated.
If you wish to duel and become famous for it, do it in a role play fashion. You have to have DP to allow good RP duels? No.
As it stands now DP has no refrence to the world of Planeshift.
Originally posted by Pestilence
As for OOC misuse of those DPs thats a different point altogether. I do agree such things shouldn\'t be allowed, but I see no real way to stop it.
Yes, there is. Remove it and let the RPers - RolePlay thier duels. After all it\'s the RP that matters, not the unusable DP ;)
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scrapping points isn\'t a solution that is canceling it.
As for what use it is. It\'s use is that in normal lives you normally life in the same timezone. That PS doesn\'t have that you could claim to be the best delist becuse you never met someone else who claimed that and perhaps would be easely beaten by him.
The lists are a way to make the community a whole eventhough we play in different timezones.
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Heh the list won\'t give you that outcome. Just because they are #1 doesn\'t mean that they\'re the best/strongest fighter.
And someone 12 hours time difference isn\'t ever going to get the chance to fight this guy/gal... Only aim to gather more points.
So, now we have player A who is at #1, we also have players B,C,D,... Making it thier goal to gather DP to be on the list.
So, we\'ll have characters looking at a scoreboard, seeing:
Player A: 1230 DP
Player B: 1005 DP
Player C: 986 DP
And thinking... I need XXX amount of DP to wipe him off the list. OOC? I think so. This is exactly the issue that lead to this thread being made.
Even if the Scoreboard doesn\'t say; Player A 1230 DP.
We will still have major OOC actions to gain a place on it - random duel invites and cheating. This was the problem with the last... I\'m sorry but I don\'t see how this will change, at least not without alot of thought and time.
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Well perhaps the DP isn\'t the best thing to make a list of but still remain with my point that scrapping the list is giving up and not a true solution.
Anyhow if according to you it\'s all OOC anyhow I don\'t see what the problem is with such a list. If people want to sped time on getting those points well *shrugs*
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Originally posted by Pestilence
Anyhow if according to you it\'s all OOC anyhow I don\'t see what the problem is with such a list. If people want to sped time on getting those points well *shrugs*
If people want to be OOC, there\'s no rule forbidding them from doing so (with the exceptions of using parantheses in-game, not infringing on anyone else\'s roleplay, yadda yadda). But there is absolutely no reason to let completely OOC elements remain just to give people something OOC to concentrate on. Therein lies the problem - instead of striving on having a roleplay reputation in-game, they rely on silly charts to \"prove\" something.