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Title: This is what metal is about.
Post by: zanzibar on January 28, 2006, 06:54:40 pm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7124938547100279149&q=emperor

For those who had any doubts.
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Post by: Kixie on January 28, 2006, 07:07:52 pm
XD Wow. Just wow.

That was humorously bad. The drum beat was so monotonous, and the lead singer looked like her had never used a guitar in his life. Kudos on the terrible norway metal.
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Post by: Xordan on January 28, 2006, 07:22:25 pm
zomg xD

If anyone actually likes that kind of stuff..... well.... they need to start listening to some decent music :P

Of course if there\'s money in it... a couple of us should start up a group....

We need:
Someone to whack some drums in a repeated pattern for 5 min...
Someone to scream random death stuff into a mic for 30 sec every other minute...
And a few people to strum chords on guitars non-stop, with the occasional random note played.

\\o/

To see someone else make an ass of themself...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8344345230801231934
Probably thinks she\'s really cool :P
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Post by: Aradia on January 28, 2006, 08:03:39 pm
I am a self-proclaimed \"metal addict\". I love it! :-)
There is a certain level of skill required to play in this genre of music, just like any other. To each their own I guess. :-)

\\m/ Emperor!
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Post by: zanzibar on January 28, 2006, 08:09:43 pm
*sigh*

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4713339115060706480&q=lack+of+comprehension
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3777028622205364028&q=agoraphobic
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3385647969174851687&q=opeth
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6668271242366126796&q=meshuggah
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3247921168041502400&q=melvins
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2392584044249553620&q=fantomas
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2036625671464035082&q=tool
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2919878366523814882&q=fantomas
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7002602931097638530&q=slayer
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-207833861766325055&q=megadeth
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4841562414772572456&q=megadeth
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2070749270984825204&q=tool
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4221244522191633046&q=converge
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3141700126986796605&q=converge
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Post by: Xordan on January 28, 2006, 08:19:18 pm
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Originally posted by Aradia
There is a certain level of skill required to play in this genre of music, just like any other.


In this case... none.
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Post by: Kixie on January 28, 2006, 09:12:05 pm
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Originally posted by Xordan
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Originally posted by Aradia
There is a certain level of skill required to play in this genre of music, just like any other.


In this case... none.

Exactly. There is good metal, but they don\'t go by the name of Emperor. See: Slayer, Megadeth, Ywengie Malmsteen, and Pantera. Seriously. This has to be the worst metal I\'ve ever seen :P

They have a very nice production style though, I\'m very interested to meet the director seeing as he\'s the only one in that whole charade who has decent skill.
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Post by: ylikone on January 28, 2006, 09:20:19 pm
I am a metal head but don\'t always like the death metal genre.. this is an exception... I love this!  

People who don\'t like it, don\'t complain, you have your music, we have ours!  :)
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Post by: Xordan on January 28, 2006, 09:25:20 pm
No, we have music, you have noise :P

(Couldn\'t help saying that)
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Post by: dragonfire999 on January 28, 2006, 09:33:25 pm
Metal is not \"BLAAAAAARGH RAWWWWWR SATAN OMGASH IM AN ABUSED CHILD RAAAAWR\"

Metal is Dream Theater, Metallica, Pantera, Slayer... and so on. Metal that sucks includes- Slipknot, Disturbed, aparrently Emperor too.

Dream Theater is about the best metal band I have ever heard, Petrucci is absolutely amazing at guitar.

Here is a dream theater song. The file is huge because the song is 11:30 minutes long.

Listen to Petrucci\'s crazy soloing. Emperor cant compare.

Dream Theater- This Dying Soul (http://www.savefile.com/files.php?fid=6852747)
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Post by: Xordan on January 28, 2006, 10:23:38 pm
I totally agree with you dragonfire999.

Dream Theater really rock :) So do Metallica.
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Post by: zanzibar on January 28, 2006, 10:24:53 pm
Ywengie is among the most boring guitarists out there.  He can play fast, but... that\'s it.



And to those who think that Dream Theatre is the be all end all of metal... that\'s cool.  They\'re a pretty influencial progressive rock / progressive metal band, but there is better out there.  Opeth, Nile, and Death would be good bands to check out if you aren\'t familiar with them.



As far as bands like Slipknot, Disturbed, System of a Down, Korn, Adema, Lincon Park, Soulfly, Limp Bizkit, Kittie, and whatever else kids are listening to today.... who cares?  That\'s pop / nu metal.  Most of it is just hard rock, in which case I\'d much rather be listening to Helmet.

And further, you might know examples of bad metal, but that doesn\'t prove that the stuff you listen to is any better!



Here are some Nile videos I just found on google:


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3047652975859669996&q=nile+metal
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2862348560662962611&q=nile
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Post by: Drey on January 28, 2006, 10:30:08 pm
i still dont get it... theres hardly any music there, only watched the first video. and the guy isnt even singing...
people like davey  havok and pete doherty pwn them.

also draklar sent me some cover of The Offspring\'s Smash where the guy sang like in that video and he totaly broke the song.
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Post by: zanzibar on January 28, 2006, 10:33:23 pm
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Originally posted by Xordan
I totally agree with you dragonfire999.

Dream Theater really rock :) So do Metallica.




Slayer > Metallic x 10.



I think that there are a few traps to be weary of.  First, is those people who are usually younger and are just coming out of listening to the popular metal-influenced bands.  So they were listening to Slipknot and Greenday, then they discover Slayer and Black Flag.  All of a sudden, those slightly more obscur but still well known bands are the new cool for them, and they look down on the crap they were listening to before.

The thing to remember is that no matter what, there\'s always more out there for you to discover!  So while you\'re listening to popular bands like Metallica and Dream Theatre, don\'t forget that there\'s plenty of stuff out there which you\'ve never even heard of and which you might like even better!

I\'m listening to the Dream Theater song right now.  I haven\'t heard it before, but I\'m not too impressed.  The musicianship is good, but the song itself is rather generic.  There are parts which are seem to be taken right from Tool, but I\'d rather listen to Tool.  The heavier parts aren\'t really that heavy given how the metal tradition has developed and progressed.

Try taking Pig Destroyer or Agoraphobic Nosebleed on for size for instance.  Grindcore is mostly atonal like Meshuggah, only it\'s crazy intense.  I\'m afraid I don\'t have any links to give you, but my favourite Pig Destroyer song is \"Towering Flesh\" if you have the opportunity to listen to them.

And this is the second trap -- stuff which is heavy or loud, but remains easy listening, like so many of the melodic death bands out there.  It\'s heavier, it\'s louder, and it has distorted guitars - but it retains a pop aesthetic.  To me, if you like melodic death but not heavier stuff, then you\'re not really a metal fan.  It\'s a bias of mine, but I think that there is truth to it.  I think that there are a lot of people out there who simply want to listen to stuff which is more real than mainstream radio and which is more agressive, but they can\'t handle (appreciate?) the really progressive forms of metal such as black metal and genres of death metal such as grindcore and extreme power metal.


I think that\'s enough rambling on my part.  Oh, whoever sent me the dream theatre, I have 5 words for you:  \"Black Rose Immortal\" by Opeth.
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Post by: Cyl on January 28, 2006, 10:35:38 pm
Well I preffer to listen to bands who know what they are doing and do it right.

like Blind Guardian, or Manowar, Falkenbach, Asmegin. You know anything that does not suck.
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Post by: zanzibar on January 28, 2006, 10:37:26 pm
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Originally posted by Cyl
Rammstein > Slayer

but still I think people should listen to Asmgein, Falkenbach, M?negarm and the like, and not to forget Manowar...




Manowar is the worse!  Even worse than Children of Bodom!  :-D

I know that stuff through a friend of mine.  Manowar, CoB, Iced Earth, Blind Guardian, Sonata Artica.... it\'s all pretty technical stuff, but it just bores me terrible.  I understand why people like them though, they\'re just not to my tastes.
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Post by: Cyl on January 28, 2006, 10:38:39 pm
man you replied faster than I could edit.

Did you ever listen to \"Hand of Doom\"?

Metal lives and falls with details...
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Post by: zanzibar on January 28, 2006, 10:42:06 pm
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Originally posted by Cyl
man you replied faster than I could edit.

Did you ever listen to \"Hand of Doom\"?

Metal lives and falls with details...




\"Hand of Doom\" sounds extremely familiar, but isn\'t that a Carnal Forge song?



Edit:  I was right

http://www.larslinden.se/cf_mp3/03_pd/pd%20-%20carnal%20forge%20-%20hand%20of%20doom.mp3
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Post by: Cyl on January 28, 2006, 10:48:01 pm
I meant the one by Manowar <.<
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Post by: zanzibar on January 28, 2006, 10:53:22 pm
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Originally posted by Cyl
I meant the one by Manowar <.<



I\'ve heard a lot of their stuff, so probably.
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Post by: Farren Kutter on January 28, 2006, 11:19:26 pm
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Originally posted by Cyl
Well I preffer to listen to bands who know what they are doing and do it right.

like Blind Guardian, or Manowar, Falkenbach, Asmegin. You know anything that does not suck.


Blind Guardian ROCKS!!!! I\'m listening to Mirror Mirror right now :D
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Post by: Xordan on January 28, 2006, 11:37:02 pm
Metallica played live with a orchestra and sounded much better than most bands do when recorded with various voice correcters and stuff. I rate a song on; Good singing, good melody, difficulty to actually play/sing the song. I don\'t actually care much about the words. Anything that\'s just loud bass or has a guy screaming into a microphone sucks.

Oh yeah, I agree that dream theater are quite generic. But the music sounds good, and that\'s what matters.
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Post by: Cyl on January 28, 2006, 11:55:30 pm
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Originally posted by Cyl
Well I preffer to listen to bands who know what they are doing and do it right.

like Blind Guardian, or Manowar, Falkenbach, Asmegin. You know anything that does not suck.


Blind Guardian ROCKS!!!! I\'m listening to Mirror Mirror right now :D


I really love that song to...

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Originally posted by Xordan
Anything that\'s just loud bass or has a guy screaming into a microphone sucks.


well depending on the circumstances screaming sounds absolutely great.
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Post by: neko kyouran on January 29, 2006, 12:10:22 am
To end this whole debate,  this whole topic is summed up here:

http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail141.html
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Post by: Kixie on January 29, 2006, 12:21:12 am
Anyone hear any \"Wall of Jehrico\"? They have this chick for a lead singer. From what I\'ve heard, it\'s totally bada$$. She sounds like the kind of chick who could break you in half, and menstruate all over your......... well I\'ll leave it at that. It sounds pretty awesome :3
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Post by: Xordan on January 29, 2006, 12:37:44 am
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Originally posted by Cyl
well depending on the circumstances screaming sounds absolutely great.


imo, it never does. Ever.
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Post by: zanzibar on January 29, 2006, 12:42:58 am
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Originally posted by Xordan
Anything that\'s just loud bass or has a guy screaming into a microphone sucks.




So if a song has screaming, you don\'t like it?  How can you consider yourself a fan of metal then?
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Post by: Xordan on January 29, 2006, 01:13:23 am
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Originally posted by zanzibar
So if a song has screaming, you don\'t like it?  How can you consider yourself a fan of metal then?


Not every song by every metal band has mindless screaming in. And I don\'t count myself a \'fan of metal\'. I count myself as a \'fan of good music whatever the genre\'.
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Post by: zorbels on January 29, 2006, 01:19:33 am
I just watched that 1st video Zanzibar posted and omg my head and eyes. *sighs* I can\'t even understand what they are saying ....... if they are even saying anything at all. :/
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Post by: zanzibar on January 29, 2006, 02:01:44 am
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Originally posted by zorbels
I just watched that 1st video Zanzibar posted and omg my head and eyes. *sighs* I can\'t even understand what they are saying ....... if they are even saying anything at all. :/




So?



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Originally posted by zanzibar
So if a song has screaming, you don\'t like it?  How can you consider yourself a fan of metal then?


Not every song by every metal band has mindless screaming in. And I don\'t count myself a \'fan of metal\'. I count myself as a \'fan of good music whatever the genre\'.




Most of the time that there\'s screaming, it\'s far from mindless.
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Post by: zorbels on January 29, 2006, 02:07:35 am
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Originally posted by zanzibar
Most of the time that there\'s screaming, it\'s far from mindless.


lmao .... So? :D
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Post by: ylikone on January 29, 2006, 02:22:34 am
I love Dream Theatre, Blind Guardian, etc... also!  

But Metallica?!  *cough*sellout*cough*radiofriendlygarbage*cough*


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Post by: JellyWerker on January 29, 2006, 06:12:46 am
Die dragonfire999! I love disturbed! And you can\'t say they aren\'t talented. They may not be metal (heck, metallica was metal, now they are often considered medium rock...) but they are still quite good. May I ask why exactly you do not like them?

Edit: For clarification, I love Metallica, but I do not consider them metal, even if they founded the genre :P They are skilled is about all you have to say. Their original drummer is still to this day unequaled.
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Post by: Efflixi Aduro on January 29, 2006, 08:06:41 am
OK

This is so horrible I don\'t even know where to start.

The 4932752345 guitarists suck.
The drummers doing the same thing over and over again. (basicly 2 bass drums) :-P

There was a point in the song where i just heard eeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee for like 30 seconds from the singer.

Metal isn\'t how closed to causing death your music can come to. (and that was damn close i wanted to kill myself to stop the suffering in the middle of the song)

There are reasons bands like this don\'t get very famous, because they SUCK!

like the others said, listen to megadeth or something....
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Post by: Cyl on January 29, 2006, 08:09:33 am
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Originally posted by Xordan
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Originally posted by Cyl
well depending on the circumstances screaming sounds absolutely great.


imo, it never does. Ever.


Well I thought the \"REVENGE\" part in \"heathenpride\"  by Falkenbach was totally awesome, well maybe because I am a contrast freak, however it was perfectly meld with the context as well as the music.

Edit: The song I am talking about is heathenpride not the heathenish foray...
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Post by: zanzibar on January 29, 2006, 09:02:00 am
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Originally posted by JellyWerker
Die dragonfire999! I love disturbed! And you can\'t say they aren\'t talented. They may not be metal (heck, metallica was metal, now they are often considered medium rock...) but they are still quite good. May I ask why exactly you do not like them?

Edit: For clarification, I love Metallica, but I do not consider them metal, even if they founded the genre :P They are skilled is about all you have to say. Their original drummer is still to this day unequaled.




Metallica didn\'t found metal.  Led Zepplin and Black Sabbath did. :P
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Post by: zanzibar on January 29, 2006, 09:03:03 am
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Originally posted by Efflixi Aduro
OK

This is so horrible I don\'t even know where to start.

The 4932752345 guitarists suck.
The drummers doing the same thing over and over again. (basicly 2 bass drums) :-P

There was a point in the song where i just heard eeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee for like 30 seconds from the singer.

Metal isn\'t how closed to causing death your music can come to. (and that was damn close i wanted to kill myself to stop the suffering in the middle of the song)

There are reasons bands like this don\'t get very famous, because they SUCK!

like the others said, listen to megadeth or something....





Actually, Emperor is an incredibly famous Black Metal band, and most black metal fans list them in their top 10.
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Post by: Cyl on January 29, 2006, 09:50:36 am
Actually the beginning of metal lay in the song \"born to be wild\" by Steppenwolf.
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Post by: seperot on January 29, 2006, 10:38:45 am
Please....i\'ll tell you the real history of metal, rock and roll too

it all started way back when taco\'s roamed the earth on the back of the 7 potatos... there was a man...a man named el lemon fantastico

(http://www.myimgs.com/data/seperot/roll.jpg)
only known image

he was the man behind such songs as \"roll roll roll your butt\" and \"Acid, tang and zest oh my!\"
he was the leader of the movement called Roll


Then there was another force at play his name was jimmy jep jan jobe. he too was an influentual figure...

(http://www.myimgs.com/data/seperot/rock.jpg)
4J with his fan

he was responcible for such songs as \"ROCKFALL!\" and \"ROCKFALL return\" and was generally known as the king of rock.

of course one fatefull day at eggenfrost (now dead cause it caught birdflu) the forces of rock and the forces of roll had to play together because a mix up on the  bill. they played the song \"rock around the horseradish and roll to bolivia\" and from then the rest is history as both artists had there ideas stolen since they where crushed under the foot of the fast moving e-commerce world.

it wasent untill many years later that a man known as ant mc, grant found the need to shake his head up and down. he come up with a plan for something new

(http://www.msnucleus.org/watersheds/mowry/ant.gif)
best recording of mr mc grant realising his dream..

from there history gets a bit fuzzy thanks to the dark ages in england. however once it all comes back on we find a new movement called metal with fantastic songs like \"Steel mill\" and \"cold, hard, and rusts in the rain\"

and there is the history which paved the way for what we know today

(http://www.myimgs.com/data/seperot/dude.jpg)
Guy so good no one knows his name

this has been a sep co information production...
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Post by: zanzibar on January 29, 2006, 10:51:26 am
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Originally posted by Cyl
Actually the beginning of metal lay in the song \"born to be wild\" by Steppenwolf.



Naw, not the right aesthetic.
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Post by: Izzy*dot on January 29, 2006, 01:15:22 pm
Cyl!!!

FALKENBAAAAAAAAAAAACH :D

But yeah Zanz, you\'re right, Manowar is straight out no-no. Horrible. CoB isn\'t that bad, though their latest album is pretty much horrible :D
Emperor, or at least the file you posted on here, is horrible. You may say what you want, but I just stay more into bands like Amon Amarth, Finntroll, Falkenbach, Ensiferum, Mithotyn, Kreator, and so on and so on.

Groups like Nile and Behemoth and Gorgoroth and the likes are not really my thing...Agreed that there still is a certain level of skill needed to play this type of music, but it\'s just not really my thing.


EDIT: Typo
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Post by: Xordan on January 29, 2006, 01:29:59 pm
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Originally posted by ylikone
I love Dream Theatre, Blind Guardian, etc... also!  

But Metallica?!  *cough*sellout*cough*radiofriendlygarbage*cough*


Their newest stuff sucks I agree. Their first albums and their live album are great.

Led Zepplin and Black Sabbath are awsome. :)
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Post by: Xalthar on January 29, 2006, 03:51:12 pm
Too bad the bashers in here have no idea what black metal is about. :rolleyes: And too bad there can be no enlightenment for the undeserving.
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Post by: Kixie on January 29, 2006, 05:17:47 pm
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Originally posted by zanzibar
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Originally posted by JellyWerker
Die dragonfire999! I love disturbed! And you can\'t say they aren\'t talented. They may not be metal (heck, metallica was metal, now they are often considered medium rock...) but they are still quite good. May I ask why exactly you do not like them?

Edit: For clarification, I love Metallica, but I do not consider them metal, even if they founded the genre :P They are skilled is about all you have to say. Their original drummer is still to this day unequaled.




Metallica didn\'t found metal.  Led Zepplin and Black Sabbath did. :P

No way. Iron butterfly and The Rolling stones.
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Post by: Cyl on January 29, 2006, 09:57:30 pm
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Originally posted by Izzy*dot
Cyl!!!

FALKENBAAAAAAAAAAAACH :D

But yeah Zanz, you\'re right, Manowar is straight out no-no. Horrible. CoB isn\'t that bad, though their latest album is pretty much horrible :D

EDIT: Typo


Heresy. Well not really, everyone has the right to his own taste, ...., but still Manowar is my favourite metal band.

btw zanzibar: I did not say that \"born to be wild\" was metal, but it was the song that knocked the movement off, considering that if I am not mistaken the term \"heavy metal\" comes from the \"heavy metal thunder\", which reffers to the tunes of overpowered bikes. <.<
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Post by: Efflixi Aduro on January 30, 2006, 07:45:32 am
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OK

This is so horrible I don\'t even know where to start.

The 4932752345 guitarists suck.
The drummers doing the same thing over and over again. (basicly 2 bass drums) :-P

There was a point in the song where i just heard eeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee for like 30 seconds from the singer.

Metal isn\'t how closed to causing death your music can come to. (and that was damn close i wanted to kill myself to stop the suffering in the middle of the song)

There are reasons bands like this don\'t get very famous, because they SUCK!

like the others said, listen to megadeth or something....





Actually, Emperor is an incredibly famous Black Metal band, and most black metal fans list them in their top 10.


All 8 of the black metal fans would put them in their top 10? wow
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Post by: Cyl on January 30, 2006, 02:37:51 pm
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Originally posted by Cyl
well depending on the circumstances screaming sounds absolutely great.


imo, it never does. Ever.


hmm if you listen to the essence (http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2EAQO99JOQA983HROI9UEXYO6J)  by Vintersorg and still say that screaming never sounds good, I would be very suprised.
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Post by: Xordan on January 30, 2006, 03:27:28 pm
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Originally posted by Cyl
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Originally posted by Xordan
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Originally posted by Cyl
well depending on the circumstances screaming sounds absolutely great.


imo, it never does. Ever.


hmm if you listen to the essence (http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2EAQO99JOQA983HROI9UEXYO6J)  by Vintersorg and still say that screaming never sounds good, I would be very suprised.


Replace what screaming there was with singing and it would be a good song..... so no, screaming never sounds good. :)
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Post by: Drey on January 30, 2006, 04:28:26 pm
acccording to this (http://www.youthink.com/quiz.asp?action=take&quiz_id=1363) im \"Thrash Metal\", now pay me some dogs.
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Post by: Xordan on January 30, 2006, 05:03:56 pm
My Results:
 
(http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/quiz1363outcome8.jpg) (http://www.youthink.com/quiz.asp?action=take&quiz_id=1363)
 
Progressive Metal
 
Bands like Zero Hour, Watchtower, Dream Theater, and Fates Warning. Music is: Incredibly technical and virtuosic; only for the most talented of metal musicians. You have gifts and skills that others envy and therefore aspire to obtain and/or overshadow. You love the chance to show off and impress others, but you never lose sight of the goal. Why do something simply when you can do it over-the-top?!?


Sounds about right :D
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Post by: Cherppow on January 30, 2006, 05:10:49 pm
My Result:
 
(http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/quiz1363outcome10.jpg) (http://www.youthink.com/quiz.asp?action=take&quiz_id=1363)
 
Death Metal
 
Bands like Vader, Hate Eternal, Malevolent Creation, and Hypocrisy. Music is: Brutally heavy music, usually devoid of most accessible melody and usually incredibly fast. You are capable of quite a lot and you enjoy the chances to make the most of your skills and talents. You?re not all that concerned about trends, but you know what you like. You are assertive and that shows up in everything you say or do.

But I do like melodies... and fast music too. In general metal is a bit \"hateful\" for my taste. ;)
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Post by: BlackAcre on January 30, 2006, 06:54:55 pm
We probably aren\'t going to do a better job describing the genesis and progression of metal than wikkipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music)

For my part, after reading everyone\'s posts, it is clear we all love what we know, and its funny to me that people still respond to metal (ooh, icky noise) like they did in 1982. 

The only points I\'d make:
A) Wow Emperor sucks.
B)  To me.
C) Metal WAS very difficult to innovate in the 80s, for bands on the bleeding edge, such as Slayer, Megadeth, and even.../sigh...Metallica.  Crap like Emperor is simply retreading the same old tires and giving them another spin.  Metal you see nowadays is rote, and typical, and generic, and incredibly hard to listen to, even for people (like me) who grew up listening to RKL, CoC and Slayer between bong-hits. 
D) Punk is waaaay easier to play than metal, but it can also sound muuuuch more pleasant without trying too hard.
E)  Anyone who wants to hear metal that is still largely accessible should listen to Slayer first and foremost--give it a chance, they grow on you like moss--wicked wicked moss. 
F) Nu-Metal has ruined the \"primal scream\".  Emotion is no longer linked to angry screams, it\'s just the capstone to any cheesy disturbed song, chorus & verse.  oooohahahahah!
G) Then again, Slayer has some crappy songs, too.
H) Megadeth made two good albums: it is one of the mysteries of the universe how megadeth turned so crappy so fast.
I) Not all metal is so serious.  Type O Negative is considered \"doom metal\" by many, but have a surprisingly good sense of humor.
J)  I saw a block of Pantera videos the other night.  Man, are they gay?  Every video is essentially the band in a small room with no shirts on, sweating all over each other.  I used to think pantera was the be-all-end-all.  Now I\'m convinced they were just on the cusp of nu-metal.  Their songs, in any event, are almost sub-literate, but sound good anyway. 
K)I\'m realising this post is going to seem really pretentious.  Sorry if I sound too judgmental.  The wikkipedia article is funny.  There\'s a pretty classic wikkipedia article on the \"heavy metal umlaut\" for those that are interested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_umlaut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_umlaut)

[ Edited for language. --Karyuu ]
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Post by: zanzibar on January 30, 2006, 07:13:31 pm
To me, sludge bands like the Melvins are just as tallented as those progressive metal bands which hold phds in their instruments.  It\'s about song writting, not how fast you can play arpegios.

And yeah, I also scored for death metal.
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Post by: seperot on January 30, 2006, 07:20:15 pm
Hardcore Metal

apparently...
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Post by: BlackAcre on January 30, 2006, 09:15:47 pm
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Originally posted by zanzibar
To me, sludge bands like the Melvins are just as tallented as those progressive metal bands which hold phds in their instruments.  It\'s about song writting, not how fast you can play arpegios.

And yeah, I also scored for death metal.


One of my favorite live-event moments was the Melvins.  It was that crappy lollapaloosa where Metallica headlined.  I was in North Carolina, and the Melvins literally (it was a pretty backwards venue--helicopters and police snipers, the concert resembled a prison \'cause the locals were terrified) made people stop and stare when they ripped into the most ear-piercing feedback I think I\'ve ever heard.  The rednecks who showed up to watch Metallica (and literally nobody else) were completely incredulous.  Priceless memory.
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Post by: Albpar on January 31, 2006, 01:00:30 am
Dream Thater is not metal,its Prog
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Post by: Efflixi Aduro on January 31, 2006, 02:33:57 am
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Originally posted by Albpar
Dream Thater is not metal,its Prog


Wrong, Rush (MY FAV BAND :D) is prog. Dream Theater is Prog metal, basicly prog but heavyer :)

oh and-

What genre of Metal are you? (http://www.youthink.com/quiz.asp?action=take&quiz_id=1363)
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My Results:
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(http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/quiz1363outcome8.jpg) (http://www.youthink.com/quiz.asp?action=take&quiz_id=1363)
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Progressive Metal
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Bands like Zero Hour, Watchtower, Dream Theater, and Fates Warning. Music is: Incredibly technical and virtuosic; only for the most talented of metal musicians. You have gifts and skills that others envy and therefore aspire to obtain and/or overshadow. You love the chance to show off and impress others, but you never lose sight of the goal. Why do something simply when you can do it over-the-top?!?




:D
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Post by: zanzibar on January 31, 2006, 03:45:35 am
There\'s nothing \"over the top\" about Dream Theatre though.  They have good technique, but so do a lot of people.  And it\'s not over the top in terms of sound or song writing... not when compared to most death metal and black metal.

Listen to \"Empty\" by Emperor.  It\'s a much better example of black metal and of what Emperor is capable of in terms of songwriting and playing.
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Post by: zanzibar on January 31, 2006, 09:41:20 am
This is kind of a difficult topic for me because metal covers so many different bands.  I\'m working on a mix for the car right now, and in the name of variety this is what I\'ve narrowed the list down to:

anthrax
atheist
blood has been shed
candlemass
converge
darkane
death
decapitated
dimmu borgir
emperor
fantomas
helmet
ictus
kalmah
lord belial
megadeth
meshuggah
metallica
my dying bride
nile
paradise lost
pig destroyer
sound garden
the postman syndrome
tool
violent work of art


All of that would be considered metal, but there\'s still a huge variety of sounds.  So where does Dream Theatre fit in there?  How can you say anything universal about Dream Theatre with respect to other metal acts given the diversity that exists?  I think it\'s a dangerous thing to attempt.
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Post by: Cyl on January 31, 2006, 05:14:13 pm
What I got...
 
(http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/quiz1363outcome8.jpg) (http://www.youthink.com/quiz.asp?action=take&quiz_id=1363)
 
Progressive Metal
 
Bands like Zero Hour, Watchtower, Dream Theater, and Fates Warning. Music is: Incredibly technical and virtuosic; only for the most talented of metal musicians. You have gifts and skills that others envy and therefore aspire to obtain and/or overshadow. You love the chance to show off and impress others, but you never lose sight of the goal. Why do something simply when you can do it over-the-top?!?

<.< I mean yeah I like that stuff to, but my real love is for black folk metal.

Another prove that such quizes are fun, but not to be taken seriously ....
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Post by: dying_inside on January 31, 2006, 05:49:27 pm
I dont know if anyone knew this or not, but meshuggah is a yiddish word (yiddish being like the jewish common language) mad, crazy, insane etc.
bow down to the jewish people pitches. they gave you a damn good metal band.
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Post by: zanzibar on January 31, 2006, 05:53:15 pm
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Originally posted by dying_inside
I dont know if anyone knew this or not, but meshuggah is a yiddish word (yiddish being like the jewish common language) mad, crazy, insane etc.
bow down to the jewish people pitches. they gave you a damn good metal band.





Yup.
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Post by: JellyWerker on January 31, 2006, 07:30:15 pm
Dragonfire999 never did tell me why he didn\'t like distrubed... :/

As for who founded metal, I\'ll recall my statement and lets jsut not go there :P
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Post by: BlackAcre on January 31, 2006, 07:58:03 pm
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Originally posted by Cyl


<.< I mean yeah I like that stuff to, but my real love is for black folk metal.



I have to admit, I\'ve never heard of black folk metal.  Do they like, dweedle away on arpeggios while singing about trollops and country fairs or something?
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Post by: Cyl on February 01, 2006, 07:38:11 pm
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Originally posted by BlackAcre
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Originally posted by Cyl


<.< I mean yeah I like that stuff to, but my real love is for black folk metal.



I have to admit, I\'ve never heard of black folk metal.  Do they like, dweedle away on arpeggios while singing about trollops and country fairs or something?
Vigrid - Old Forgotten (http://files.mikseri.net/hifi/download.php?fn=vigrid_-_old_forgotten.mp3)

Vigird - Journey Everlast (http://files.mikseri.net/hifi/download.php?fn=vigrid-journeyeverlast.mp3)
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Post by: Izzy*dot on February 01, 2006, 07:51:46 pm
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Originally posted by Cyl
for black folk metal.



Never heard of Black Folk Metal, I just kinda call it Folk Metal :D
Vigrid sounds good, I\'m going to look for more ^^
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Post by: Cyl on February 01, 2006, 08:42:18 pm
Well not metal per say, but austrian comedy rock: EAV - Im Himmel ist die H?lle los (http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1OCHOB1OE56XS3R71FWHTU0G38)

hmm in terms of Black Folk, ... You should try Equilibrium to maybe.

Actually I have come to love Progressive metal, ..., especially Vintersorg.
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Post by: BlackAcre on February 01, 2006, 09:45:05 pm
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Originally posted by Cyl
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Originally posted by BlackAcre
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Originally posted by Cyl


<.< I mean yeah I like that stuff to, but my real love is for black folk metal.



I have to admit, I\'ve never heard of black folk metal.  Do they like, dweedle away on arpeggios while singing about trollops and country fairs or something?
Vigrid - Old Forgotten (http://files.mikseri.net/hifi/download.php?fn=vigrid_-_old_forgotten.mp3)

Vigird - Journey Everlast (http://files.mikseri.net/hifi/download.php?fn=vigrid-journeyeverlast.mp3)


HA!  Wow.  thanks for that.  HA! Sheesus.  I guess if it floats your boat.  I just keep seeing little stonehenges dancing around Spinal Tap when the flutes come in, to be frank.
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Post by: goland on February 01, 2006, 11:05:06 pm
That first video was....um....ya.  The ending wasn\'t too bad...I guess.

Everyone has their own tastes I suppose.  I think I might have liked the music better if I didn\'t see the video....the whole \"playing guitars near a cave or whatever\" thing just doesn\'t do it for me.


Atom and his Package - Black Metal Friends
http://www.ford23.com/music/Atom%20and%20his%20Package%20-%20Black%20Metal%20Friends.mp3
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Post by: Cyl on February 02, 2006, 05:37:50 pm
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Originally posted by dragonfire999
Metal is not \"BLAAAAAARGH RAWWWWWR SATAN OMGASH IM AN ABUSED CHILD RAAAAWR\"

Metal is Dream Theater, Metallica, Pantera, Slayer... and so on. Metal that sucks includes- Slipknot, Disturbed, aparrently Emperor too.

Dream Theater is about the best metal band I have ever heard, Petrucci is absolutely amazing at guitar.

Here is a dream theater song. The file is huge because the song is 11:30 minutes long.

Listen to Petrucci\'s crazy soloing. Emperor cant compare.

Dream Theater- This Dying Soul (http://www.savefile.com/files.php?fid=6852747)


I wasn\'t to impressed by this song, ..., somehow it didnt move me at all...

However I really wonder how you became judge over metal, considering that you say what \"metal is\" and \"metal is not\"
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Post by: Suno_Regin on February 02, 2006, 09:48:58 pm
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Originally posted by Xordan
zomg xD

If anyone actually likes that kind of stuff..... well.... they need to start listening to some decent music :P

Of course if there\'s money in it... a couple of us should start up a group....

We need:
Someone to whack some drums in a repeated pattern for 5 min...
Someone to scream random death stuff into a mic for 30 sec every other minute...
And a few people to strum chords on guitars non-stop, with the occasional random note played.

\\o/

To see someone else make an ass of themself...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8344345230801231934
Probably thinks she\'s really cool :P


Even though she\'s a terrible singer, I found her to be cute. =)
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Post by: Uyaem on February 03, 2006, 10:06:21 am
Another metal-related thread? :rolleyes:
You know I can\'t stay out of them :D

According to that weird poll, I\'m either Black or Death Metal. Sounds ok to me.

There\'s people in here that judge an entire genre from a single song... tsts.

For some black folk metal stuff, try \"Windir\" (which is not referring to the windows directory :rolleyes: ) or Adorned Brood, for less extreme voices try Moonlyght.

And, fcol (for crying out loud), please stop posting those stupid google video links. :(
Not every person every where has access to that stuff. :<
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Post by: zanzibar on February 03, 2006, 10:15:25 am
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Originally posted by Uyaem
And, fcol (for crying out loud), please stop posting those stupid google video links. :(
Not every person every where has access to that stuff. :<



No, they\'re sweet.  It\'s not my fault if you can\'t access them.
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Post by: Uyaem on February 03, 2006, 10:54:26 am
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Originally posted by zanzibar
No, they\'re sweet.  It\'s not my fault if you can\'t access them.


No, but it should be, so I\'d have a scapegoat that I can blame. :]
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Post by: Cyl on February 03, 2006, 02:52:08 pm
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Originally posted by Suno_Regin
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Originally posted by Xordan
To see someone else make an ass of themself...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8344345230801231934
Probably thinks she\'s really cool :P


Even though she\'s a terrible singer, I found her to be cute. =)


I just find it pathetic, how a bad song can be made worse, ..., but whatever.
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Post by: Izzy*dot on February 03, 2006, 03:02:35 pm
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Originally posted by Xordan
To see someone else make an ass of themself...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8344345230801231934
Probably thinks she\'s really cool :P


Point 1 is, it\'s Greenday, it\'s not metal, and personally I hate them, but that\'s matter of taste.

Point 2 is, this girl is stupid :D I found it hard to keep watching and listening, because of the EMBARASSMENT sent out with that movie, and the way she \"sings\" is horrible. Teenage \"punk\" girls...The way she behaves makes me think of my sister *throws up*

But yes, you\'re right, she\'s making an ass of herself, and YES, you can be pretty sure she thinks she\'s really cool, she probably thinks she\'s the coolest kid in class and stuff like that, and only bothers about how she looks AT ALL TIMES. Nor rain nor thunder nor snow and ice will keep her from redoing her make-up every five minutes and keeping her hair just the way she wants it. All image no inside..;


Oh and in case some people want to call me prejudiced about her, you know the stuff like \"you can\'t say that, you don\'t know her\", be WELL aware that I don\'t know her but I DO know her type of people, because my sister is as empty inside as this girl, and is pretty much completely the same.. And I live with that garbage every day and hear Greenday, accompanied with very disturbed singing every day too :D

Ah what the hell am I ranting about :D
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Post by: ylikone on February 03, 2006, 07:34:42 pm
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Originally posted by Izzy*dot
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Originally posted by Xordan
To see someone else make an ass of themself...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8344345230801231934
Probably thinks she\'s really cool :P


Point 1 is, it\'s Greenday, it\'s not metal, and personally I hate them, but that\'s matter of taste.

Point 2 is, this girl is stupid :D I found it hard to keep watching and listening, because of the EMBARASSMENT sent out with that movie, and the way she \"sings\" is horrible. Teenage \"punk\" girls...The way she behaves makes me think of my sister *throws up*

But yes, you\'re right, she\'s making an ass of herself, and YES, you can be pretty sure she thinks she\'s really cool, she probably thinks she\'s the coolest kid in class and stuff like that, and only bothers about how she looks AT ALL TIMES. Nor rain nor thunder nor snow and ice will keep her from redoing her make-up every five minutes and keeping her hair just the way she wants it. All image no inside..;


Oh and in case some people want to call me prejudiced about her, you know the stuff like \"you can\'t say that, you don\'t know her\", be WELL aware that I don\'t know her but I DO know her type of people, because my sister is as empty inside as this girl, and is pretty much completely the same.. And I live with that garbage every day and hear Greenday, accompanied with very disturbed singing every day too :D

Ah what the hell am I ranting about :D



Yes, she IS totally embarrasing herself.  BUT SHE IS D*MN HOT!
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Post by: zanzibar on February 03, 2006, 08:21:43 pm
Maybe she\'s full of fluff, but she was just having fun.  I don\'t see what the harm was.

And she wasn\'t that hot....
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Post by: Cyl on February 03, 2006, 09:45:53 pm
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Originally posted by ylikone
Yes, she IS totally embarrasing herself.  BUT SHE IS D*MN HOT!


Yes it doesnt matter wether people are acting like full morons as long as they are D*MN HOT.

Usage of Sarcasm doesnt violate the (C)opyright of Golbez
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Post by: Izzy*dot on February 03, 2006, 11:06:34 pm
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Originally posted by zanzibar
Maybe she\'s full of fluff, but she was just having fun.  I don\'t see what the harm was.



You\'re right, I agree, there\'s no harm in having fun, it\'s just that living with my sisters has made me instant harsh against people like her :D

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And she wasn\'t that hot....


Absolutely right too :D


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Originally posted by Cyl
Yes it doesnt matter wether people are acting like full morons as long as they are D*MN HOT.

Usage of Sarcasm doesnt violate the (C)opyright of Golbez


LOL :D aaaah the sarcasm :D And like Zanzibar said, she wasn\'t even that hot o.O
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Post by: zanzibar on February 03, 2006, 11:39:25 pm
Cute and pretty, but not that hot.
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Post by: Suno_Regin on February 04, 2006, 04:22:49 am
She\'s one of the girls who dances and still keeps her looks. Others have huge jaws and large gums if they smile, makes them look ugly, this one may be a little...crazy, but that\'s what would make her fun. =P
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Post by: zanzibar on February 04, 2006, 05:19:14 am
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Originally posted by Suno_Regin
She\'s one of the girls who dances and still keeps her looks. Others have huge jaws and large gums if they smile, makes them look ugly, this one may be a little...crazy, but that\'s what would make her fun. =P




:|


There\'s crazy and there\'s wacky.
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Post by: Cyl on February 04, 2006, 09:08:31 am
Get a room with her Suno <.<
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Post by: Nero da 2nd on February 06, 2006, 03:41:26 am
The music, although I usualy like metal, was pretty bad...that guy waving his hair around LOL! I laughed myself outta my chair when I saw him!

Edited to remove a really bad word. This is another warning, Nero. Keep yourself in check.
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Post by: Cyl on February 06, 2006, 11:47:56 am
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Originally posted by Nero da 2nd
The music, although I usualy like metal, was pretty bad...that guy waving his hair around LOL! I laughed myself outta my chair when I saw him!

Edited to remove a really bad word. This is another warning, Nero. Keep yourself in check.


You know Nero, that is called headbanging ... <.<

and it is quite frequent with metal >.>

and I dont even want to know what the word was...
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Post by: zanzibar on February 07, 2006, 11:31:39 pm
You have to see this.

http://www.einherjer.com/video/ironbound.mpg
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Post by: Izzy*dot on February 08, 2006, 01:03:59 pm
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Originally posted by zanzibar
You have to see this.

http://www.einherjer.com/video/ironbound.mpg


Okay, that was good :D cool...

EDIT: Thank you Zanzibar for this piece of Viking Metal ^^ :D
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Post by: ylikone on February 08, 2006, 03:24:32 pm
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Originally posted by zanzibar
You have to see this.

http://www.einherjer.com/video/ironbound.mpg


The music is ok, but the lead singer is just goofy/nerdy.  If they meant it to be a humorous parady video, then yes, it was.  If they are serious, they embarass themselves.
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Post by: Shalmaneser on February 10, 2006, 06:21:29 am
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Originally posted by ylikone
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Originally posted by zanzibar
You have to see this.

http://www.einherjer.com/video/ironbound.mpg


The music is ok, but the lead singer is just goofy/nerdy.  If they meant it to be a humorous parady video, then yes, it was.  If they are serious, they embarass themselves.



I actually don\'t like the music, I posted it because of the ridiculous facial expressions and poses.  It\'s just so over the top, it\'s great!
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Post by: c-2501 on February 10, 2006, 07:10:44 am
one of my favorites:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2758388678640452740&q=arch+enemy

and another:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8203128313947913435&q=fear+factory

meh what the heh, one more:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6026816998998796117&q=killswitch+engage
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Post by: BlackAcre on February 13, 2006, 10:29:51 pm
This is probably one of the coolest metal videos I\'ve seen in ages.  Ooh the bearded lady...eck.  It\'s a group called mastadon.

http://www.warnerreprise.com/qt-ref/mastodon_bloodandthunder3_ref.mov

Need quicktime.
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Post by: zanzibar on February 14, 2006, 12:22:07 am
Ick.  This thread went downhill fast.  Greenday and metalcore/nu-metal. :-D
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Post by: BlackAcre on February 14, 2006, 01:47:21 am
You could say the mine was salted.