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Gameplay => Newbie Help (Start Here) => Topic started by: Celebrimor on February 16, 2006, 01:24:56 am
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I spent the last few days slaying Clackers to save enough money to dump my two broadswords (the ones that go for 200 trias) and buy a couple of sweet, expensive (1200 trias) Longswords. Affter finally gathering the 2400 trias I needed for them I went and bought them, and it turns out I\'m dealing LESS damage than with the Broadswords! I genuinely feel like I\'ve been robbed...
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How come you only checked the pricetag, instead of the weapon stats? ;)
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well, being 6 times more expensive, I would expect it to be a little bit better, wouldn\'t you?
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You need to realize, expensive doesn\'t always mean better. There are people roaming planeshift selling basics for far greater prices then they\'re worth.
Make sure to check the speed and damage of the weapon. Don\'t get ripped. Do you remember the person who sold you it?
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Those were probably bought from Harnquist. ;) Yeah, the longswords have never been that great.
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Originally posted by Celebrimor
I spent the last few days slaying Clackers to save enough money to dump my two broadswords (the ones that go for 200 trias) and buy a couple of sweet, expensive (1200 trias) Longswords. Affter finally gathering the 2400 trias I needed for them I went and bought them, and it turns out I\'m dealing LESS damage than with the Broadswords! I genuinely feel like I\'ve been robbed...
A broadsword takes 3 \"time units\" to hit and deals 2.7 \"damage units\".
A longsword takes 2.1 \"time units\" to hit and deals 2.2 \"damage units\".
So while a broadsword deals more damage per hit, over time you\'re actually better off with the longsword.
You\'re better off still with the shortsword, and then the falchion before that, but the sabre is the best out of the bunch. The claymore hits for the most, and is also the slowest.
If you want to do all your damage in one hit then run away, or kill with the first blow, then a broadsword or claymore might work for you. Otherwise, you are infact better off with something else.
It used to be that we couldn\'t see the numbers, so we had to experiment in order to figure this stuff out!
http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=16338&boardid=13
The thing is, there are different versions of every weapon.
Silver is better than basic,
Gold is better than silver,
Platinum is better than gold.
Ornated and Reinforced weapons will be better as well.
By \"better\", I mean that in each case they are both faster and they deal more damage per hit. Steel, Iron, Scorced, Icy, Frosty, Dark, and Fire weapons deal more damage, but they aren\'t any faster.
There are many many many other modifiers though. At least dozens. For instance, right now I\'m using an \"Eagle\'s Dark Dagger\" and a \"Trigrain-Steel Dark Dagger\". Both have speed 1.4 like normal daggers, but have a damage rating of 3.0 which is pretty spiffy for a weapon that fast! There are people I play with in game though who have daggers that have slashes of 7.5, so even though mine are good they\'re hardly the best. There\'s a big variety.
Of course, my Eagle\'s dagger gives a +20 bonus to agility which my friends can\'t brag about. :-D
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Originally posted by Archon
You need to realize, expensive doesn\'t always mean better. There are people roaming planeshift selling basics for far greater prices then they\'re worth.
Make sure to check the speed and damage of the weapon. Don\'t get ripped. Do you remember the person who sold you it?
If I had bought it from another player, of course I would\'ve checked the stats, I\'m not THAT dumb, but common sense, and many years of gaming experience made me belive that between two swords that are sold by the same game-controlled seller (Harquist, in this case), the one which is 6 times as expensive as the other, must be at least twice as powerful... obviously I was wrong *Curufinwe ( <- that\'s my char) stares at Harnquist, his eyes burning with hate*...
Originally posted by zanzibar
It used to be that we couldn\'t see the numbers, so we had to experiment in order to figure this stuff out!
http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=16338&boardid=13
The thing is, there are different versions of every weapon.
Silver is better than basic,
Gold is better than silver,
Platinum is better than gold.
Ornated and Reinforced weapons will be better as well.
By \"better\", I mean that in each case they are both faster and they deal more damage per hit. Steel, Iron, Scorced, Icy, Frosty, Dark, and Fire weapons deal more damage, but they aren\'t any faster.
There are many many many other modifiers though. At least dozens. For instance, right now I\'m using an \"Eagle\'s Dark Dagger\" and a \"Trigrain-Steel Dark Dagger\". Both have speed 1.4 like normal daggers, but have a damage rating of 3.0 which is pretty spiffy for a weapon that fast! There are people I play with in game though who have daggers that have slashes of 7.5, so even though mine are good they\'re hardly the best. There\'s a big variety.
Thanks for the link, gave me a better idea of PS weapons situation.
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Originally posted by zanzibar
A broadsword takes 3 \"time units\" to hit and deals 2.7 \"damage units\".
A longsword takes 2.1 \"time units\" to hit and deals 2.2 \"damage units\".
So the calculations, per 1 time unit, go as follows?:
2.2/3 = 0.73
2.1/2.2 = 0.95
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Originally posted by Hermeneus
Originally posted by zanzibar
A broadsword takes 3 \"time units\" to hit and deals 2.7 \"damage units\".
A longsword takes 2.1 \"time units\" to hit and deals 2.2 \"damage units\".
So the calculations, per 1 time unit, go as follows?:
2.2/3 = 0.73
2.1/2.2 = 0.95
Your numbers aren\'t quite right, and you reversed your variables.
2.7/3
2.2/2.1=better than 1 to 1
I also wouldn\'t count on that being accurate, because from Zanzi\'s post, he feels short swords are even better, but I know from experience that falchions kill much faster than short sword, and that a short sword is better than a broad sword if sword skill or strength is not sufficient. One can swing a short sword with little skill, a broad sword may not be usable without enough strength. Also, in my observations before the update, the sword slash number made very little difference in the total damage.
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I\'ve always preferred sabres myself, but I don\'t think we have many special versions of them.
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How do you see the stats before you buy them? I\'ve bought two daggers and I don\'t know theire slash or time units.
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I do believe its as easy as 1, 2, RIGHT CLICK.
But I could be wrong. Wouldn\'t be the first time.
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If you\'re in any window with slots, you can right-click (or whatever you have set to \"context menu\" ) on the item to view. (one of the new features I added for this version, in part for this very reason ;) ) In a merchant window, click the eye icon with the item selected.
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I\'m currently using a broadsword on my main hand and a ligher/faster shortsword on my offhand. I don\'t know if the same applies here, but in DAoC, having a faster weapon on your off hand tended to give an slight \"haste\" effect. Nothing major enough to be considered a bug, just how the mechanics worked i guess. It\'s like the overal attack/delay time is the average of the two hands. So you\'d basically shred things to bits fairly quickly. At least I THINK that\'s what happened. I wasn\'t as versed in the tech-stuff as my friend, but I think I remember him saying something to that effect.
But yeah, generally, in mmo\'s there\'s an attack/delay time, and a damage amount. faster weapons generally did less damage, but in the long run, they did more damage overall.
example... 3 second delay does 3 damage, verses 2 second delay doing like 2.3 damage or something. over a course of say 18 seconds: (for math easiness)
these numbers are totally arbitrary, but it should get the point across.
the 3 second weapon will do a total of 6 hits (assuming no misses) for a total of 18 damage.
the 2 second weapon will do a total of 9 hits for...20.7 damage.
Sure, you\'re doing less per hit, but over a longer fight, you\'ll be doing more damage overall.
Another factor, is that if you use a slow weapon, and MISS, then you\'re pretty much screwed while you wait on the weapon\'s delay. I almost Always use shortswords rapiers and daggers in these types of games....sometimes longswords if they\'re fast enough. Just my personal preference :)
And yeah, either R-click, or highlight the weapon in the shop window and click the little eye icon at the top.
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I got two short swords now.
Iron short sword -- slash 8 speed 2.
Platinum short sword -- slash 2.2 speed 1.6.
According to the formula pabove Iron = 8/2 = 4 and Platinum = 2.2/1.6 = 1.37 (per 1 time unit) thus Iron being better.
Is this correct? I can\'t weild Platinum yet so can\'t test them if they perform as the culculation suggests.
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Well, slash 8 is preety good, and even though it\'s slower, the difference in power is too big and the difference in speed not so much, so unless you fight a monster with a ridiculous amount of HP, I\'d say you\'re better off with the slash 8 one.