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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: zanzibar on February 24, 2006, 12:07:58 am
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The Hydlaa Plaza
Off-topic chat board. Please do all your chit-chatting here. Moderators will delete obvious spam, overly hateful flames, and cussing but otherwise you have free reign to sink as low as you want.
So, with that in mind, how off topic is off topic in the Hydlaa Plaza forum? If we have \"free reign to sink as low as [we] want\", then when should a thread be locked?
This is not like the other forums on the board. There seems to be some confusion though surrounding these somewhat basic questions.
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Obvious spam = \"Who is blah\" threads with no actual topic other than a excuse to post something.
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Do you like to get in trouble? :|
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Originally posted by Xordan
Obvious spam = \"Who is blah\" threads with no actual topic other than a excuse to post something.
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Xordan, you should know better than to hijack threads. ;)
Originally posted by Houlen Aru
Do you like to get in trouble? :| (...) I\'ve seen a few of your posts, you\'re putting on a smart act so that you can try and hide behind that when making threads like this. You should read some of the things you\'ve said, it\'s easy to point out the smart parts from the pointless ones.
Do I like to get in trouble? Not as much as you like to spam serious threads, good sir.
Apparently, you have nothing to add to the conversation. That\'s unfortunate, but don\'t make it worse by spamming.
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I\'ve seen a few of your posts, you\'re putting on a smart act so that you can try and hide behind that when making threads like this. You should read some of the things you\'ve said, it\'s easy to point out the smart parts from the pointless ones.
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I think obvious spam is classified as something you can\'t discuss, ex:
\" :D \" being the sole part of your post, or maybe an \"I agree\"
Or maybe your thread where people don\'t understand what you are implying, just as inside jokes shouldn\'t be allowed on the public boards. If you\'re going to post something like that which the majority of people would not understand, I think it should be classified as obvious spam. I was only able to somewhat understand what you were insinuating because I\'ve read so many of your other posts. But like everything else that is up to the moderator (aka Karyuu). If it were me I would have bluntly asked you to make yourself clear or face deletion, she however is much nicer.
I personally see nothing wrong with hijacking threads, I think they should be able to evolve because it allows for more interesting discussion.
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No one can be bothered to slap the little munchkin since I\'m not around? *sigh*
meh I\'m not here to argue anyway.
it says in the description.
overly hateful flames (example: add swearing to the above)
obvious spam (example: \"roflplanes!\")
:| now, that wasn\'t hard eh?
*skitters away*
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To share my own personal opinion:
A thread\'s title or its opening post states its purpose. Once the purpose and need have been met and the thread turns into a meaningless exchange that has nothing to do with the original subject, it\'s time for a small warning. If it continues, it\'s time for a lock.
The thread very much had a meaningless exchange - for example replying to yourself using different accounts is a bad idea, and an obvious method to increase a postcount (again, not stating that this was Zanzibar\'s aim, as it was one of the last things on his mind from what I can tell). Was there seriously a single post useful aside from those involving my replies to Valbrandr and his comments, your larger reply to various previous comments, and one of Drey\'s posts?
If it\'s unnecessary and can be avoided, don\'t post. If there are many accumulating unnecessaries that no longer make sense when referring to the first post, the thread\'s a gonner.
At least that\'s the way I approach things.
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Houlen Aru, that was unnecessary and close to inviting a flame - thus had to be removed. Maybe I should make one more rule: If you know that posting something will ignite someone in a negative way, don\'t post. Go bite a pillow, go kill some sprites on your computer screen, but don\'t make someone hate you just because you can.
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It\'s interesting to see Keyaz use one of his known monikers again. And Kiern, bravo for adding to the conversation despite the other junk you threw in! :-D
Anyway, Karyuu: Your interpretation greatly contrasts the given description of the forum and the guidelines which were made for it. How do you justify this contradiction?
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Well I think as a general rule anything that inevitably leads to flames is off-topic for the Plaza. Ie. Religion, sexual preferences, \"my country is better than yours\", etc. types of topics. Basically anything where there is no correct answer but have very polarized views from each side.
That and advertisements, and pretty much whenever a person\'s first & only post is in the Plaza ;). The rest I think is covered by those who already posted.
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Through the moderating Vengeance himself has done over time :) If you think I\'m being harsh about it, consider yourself lucky. I\'m not going to let threads full of nothing sprout in Hydlaa Plaza, no matter \'how long you can sink.\' You can rest assured that a thread of full of \'This is what I did today, the end\' or \'Post one word beginning with the last letter of the word before yours\' won\'t last long at all. Does anyone else disagree?
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Originally posted by zanzibar
And Kiern, bravo for adding to the conversation despite the other junk you threw in! :-D
Please, point out where ANYTHING out of my post is not completely on the topic of what is off-topic in the hydlaa plaza? I wasn\'t posting for your benefit, and don\'t appreciate you calling part of what I said \"junk\".
Originally posted by Karyuu
Does anyone else disagree?
Not in the least.
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I do disagree, a little anyway.
I\'m all for serious, on-topic, relevant posting in the all the other forums (Support, gameplay, development), but I thought the point of an off-topic forum was for frivoloties and non-PlaneShift stuff. And I figured that could include What did you do today? and silly word games. Or long rambling Ask a Question, next person answers and asks another threads. It\'s silly, and off-topic. But it\'s not flaming, spamming, and avoiding coarse language should be a rule across all boards.
And personally, I enjoy talking to people who I\'ve never met, who I know nothing about, and the only connection I have with is that we like playing the same game. It builds a community.
*hops off his soapbox*
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Now that I look at it, I think zanzibar just posts these things (and replies in mostly every topic in the forums) to raise his post count. His current rank just isn\'t enough, he needs to go higher. :P
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A certain amount of sillyness is great, I agree :) Taking a look through some Hydlaa Plaza threads of the past, both that were left open and those that were locked, could give you a good idea of what\'s allowed and what isn\'t. A thread of one-word posts would be spam, regardless of the original purpose. Asking \'Who is such-and-such?\' is perfectly fine, too. But again, once a thread has served its purpose, whether here or in other forum sections, and people post things that are completely unrelated that you can tell are posted simply because:
\"I want to say something but I have nothing to say,\"
--that\'s when things start to be messy and needless. There are more intelligent ways to learn about people. I really wish Vengeance was around these days so I could talk to him about that \'sink as low as you want\' bit, but in the meantime these forums are going to be moderated for the most part as they\'ve always been. If there is no content, there is no post. If there is nothing to discuss, there is no discussion - thus there is no thread.
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Originally posted by Karyuu
A certain amount of sillyness is great, I agree :) Taking a look through some Hydlaa Plaza threads of the past, both that were left open and those that were locked, could give you a good idea of what\'s allowed and what isn\'t. A thread of one-word posts would be spam, regardless of the original purpose. Asking \'Who is such-and-such?\' is perfectly fine, too. But again, once a thread has served its purpose, whether here or in other forum sections, and people post things that are completely unrelated that you can tell are posted simply because:
\"I want to say something but I have nothing to say,\"
--that\'s when things start to be messy and needless. There are more intelligent ways to learn about people. I really wish Vengeance was around these days so I could talk to him about that \'sink as low as you want\' bit, but in the meantime these forums are going to be moderated for the most part as they\'ve always been. If there is no content, there is no post. If there is nothing to discuss, there is no discussion - thus there is no thread.
I\'m a mod on a thread and I know how hard it\'s for you
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I agree that there should be a place for nonsensical stuff, and Karyuu, I\'m not fond of those word game threads, but truth is, they liven the place and create a nicer comunity. If someone isn\'t interested in them, as myself, they will just not take part on them. Goin off topic on a thread and rambling nonsense is something I disagree with though, if you have something to argue that is irrelevant to the thread youre posting on, there\'s PM available, and if theres three or more people involved, just feel free to open a new thread, where you will be able to ramble on without being disturbed, and without disturbing anyone.
Im not complaining about any particular ramblings, since I\'m rather new here, and wouldn\'t know how offten it occurs, I\'m just stating my position on the matter, which is: Post everything you want, as long as you post on the right place, and you don\'t insult or spam.
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I recently made a question & answer thread, and though it was fitting the subject, zanzibar asked an insanely stupid question. I still gave him a decent answer (heh), but I wish some other people would post so we can try and bury zanzibar\'s little comment.
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Houlen, seriously stop pointing fingers at him. You\'re not helping anyone with anything.
Celebrimor: There has been a suggestion for a \"Forum Games\" section, but it was under the condition that post counts do not rise in there - and I\'ve no idea if this is something these boards are capable of at all. Moreover I\'d have no desire at all to moderate such a section and weed through the hundreds of game-posts that no doubt would be posted daily. If anyone wants to host a \"Game\" forum where people can play word games or sink even lower, they\'re free to - and I\'ll sticky a link in Hydlaa Plaza myself :]
However, these being the official forums, I would hope that even an off-topic section maintains some degree of quality regardless.
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Apperantly not, but still, it\'s beginning to get on my nerves. I\'ve never met anyone who\'s acted this way before, they\'ll make some sarcastic comment, then they\'ll in some smart-sounding way call you an idiot.
(Alright, I\'m done...)
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Originally posted by Karyuu
Houlen, seriously stop pointing fingers at him. You\'re not helping anyone with anything.
Celebrimor: There has been a suggestion for a \"Forum Games\" section, but it was under the condition that post counts do not rise in there - and I\'ve no idea if this is something these boards are capable of at all. If anyone wants to host a \"Game\" forum where people can play word games or sink even lower, they\'re free to - and I\'ll sticky a link in Hydlaa Plaza myself :]
However, these being the official forums, I would hope that even an off-topic section maintains some degree of quality regardless.
well most forums I\'ve been too have a spam section and for me that is where I usauly are. If you want to see what some of the forums I\'ve been too visit google and type in my web name I\"m the only nightstalian around, in fact I\'ll be happy to mod for it if this forum makes one
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This forum won\'t ever have a \'Spam\' section any more than we\'ll have a \'Flaming Room\' :P
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Karyuu: I see your point, and it does add some extra work to a mod to keep track of problems in long threads, and game threads tend to be way long. If anyone wants to open a Games Forum, there are plenty of places to do so without more than basic computer/internet knowledge. They are free, and easy to use. Here are some I know, but Im sure there\'s plenty more:
http://www.activeboard.com/
http://www.proboards.com/index.html
So, Night, of youre interested, you can make your PS spam forum here.
Houlen, if it\'s really becoming annoying, just ignore. Anyway, for what ive seen so far, I think Zanzibar is more of a joker than a mean person, so I\'m fairly sure he meant no harm. Either way, youre better off ignoring him, or simply sending him a PM telling him what bothers you. Every problem has a solution as long as theres comunication.
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That actually would be so cool :) For all the suggestions made in the past, no one actually went through with them and made another forum for (further) idle chit-chat. It would be quite nice to have non-PlaneShift topics in Hydlaa Plaza of a slightly higher quality, but also give those who want to rant without the majority listening a channel to do so at the same time.
So by all means, someone - create a forum, set up some rules (avoid using the PlaneShift logo without Talad\'s permission though, he tends to dislike that), and give me a link :]
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Originally posted by Celebrimor
Karyuu: I see your point, and it does add some extra work to a mod to keep track of problems in long threads, and game threads tend to be way long. If anyone wants to open a Games Forum, there are plenty of places to do so without more than basic computer/internet knowledge. They are free, and easy to use. Here are some I know, but Im sure there\'s plenty more:
http://www.activeboard.com/
http://www.proboards.com/index.html
So, Night, of youre interested, you can make your PS spam forum here.
Houlen, if it\'s really becoming annoying, just ignore. Anyway, for what ive seen so far, I think Zanzibar is more of a joker than a mean person, so I\'m fairly sure he meant no harm. Either way, youre better off ignoring him, or simply sending him a PM telling him what bothers you. Every problem has a solution as long as theres comunication.
to tried today maybe tomorrow g-night
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Originally posted by Karyuu
Through the moderating Vengeance himself has done over time :) If you think I\'m being harsh about it, consider yourself lucky. I\'m not going to let threads full of nothing sprout in Hydlaa Plaza, no matter \'how long you can sink.\' You can rest assured that a thread of full of \'This is what I did today, the end\' or \'Post one word beginning with the last letter of the word before yours\' won\'t last long at all. Does anyone else disagree?
So basically.... the guidelines that are written out for it don\'t mean anything, and the moderators just do what they feel is appropriate based on precident?
Originally posted by Houlen Aru
Now that I look at it, I think zanzibar just posts these things (and replies in mostly every topic in the forums) to raise his post count. His current rank just isn\'t enough, he needs to go higher. :P
You\'re either an alt, or a fool who\'s trying to fit in with certain other regulars. \"kthxbye\".
Originally posted by Celebrimor
Houlen, if it\'s really becoming annoying, just ignore. Anyway, for what ive seen so far, I think Zanzibar is more of a joker than a mean person, so I\'m fairly sure he meant no harm. Either way, youre better off ignoring him, or simply sending him a PM telling him what bothers you. Every problem has a solution as long as theres comunication.
<3<3<3 !!1eleven
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Originally posted by zanzibar
So basically.... the guidelines that are written out for it don\'t mean anything, and the moderators just do what they feel is appropriate based on precident?
When Hydlaa Plaza was first created, it was due to an overabundance of \"spam\" topics in other sections. Now it seems as though that \"spam\" can overflow in here as well. Again, I urge you to look around previous threads extending as far back as you can, to get the feel for things. I\'m already a lot more lenient with what\'s allowed than Mogs was, and I\'m not prepared to take on an \"anything goes\" attitude.
Moreover, this entire issue came about through your previously made thread, which you know no longer had any point until Kerol replied. How you can deny this is honestly beyond me. Why are birthday threads locked after a time, or goodbye threads? Because there is nothing more to say after a while, because people repeat themselves, because a thread has served its purpose and more input isn\'t necessary, etc., even though these are in the Hydlaa Plaza sections. You didn\'t have a discussion going, even - no one did in that thread.
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So Hydlaa Plaza was created for spam.... but spam isn\'t allowed in Hydlaa Plaza. :|
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\"Spam\". No spam isn\'t allowed in Hydlaa Plaza. Spam to me is unnecessary nonsense that no longer follows the original purpose of the thread, or is utter nonsense to start with (AKA, \"w0rd. Post back here.\")
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Right.... so no spam is allowed in Hydlaa Plaza.... which is what I said.... but you said that Hydlaa Plaza was created for spam.... but no spam is allowed in Hydlaa Plaza... like I said and you said.... but you said that Hydlaa Plaza was created for.....
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Are my quotation marks invisible? Dear me :/
*edit* I think it took a while for me to formulate what I was really trying to say. That thread was turning into spam. There :\\
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Originally posted by Karyuu
Are my quotation marks invisible? Dear me :/
*edit* I think it took a while for me to formulate what I was really trying to say. That thread was turning into spam. There :\\
Ok...
So there\'s the spam that Hydlaa was created for....
There\'s \"bad spam\"....
So what qualifies as good spam? Is it vegetarian? Kosher? Texturized vegetable protein spam?
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The board was created for topics other then Planeshift, but not outright spam. I know this because it was in discussion for a while before the board was actually made, with people of the board taking part in it. Look it up, it\'s an interesting discussion if it\'s still here or it might have been in IRC, I don\'t really remember. Quit making it more difficult then it really is. So spam isn\'t the greatest term for what goes here, but you\'re intelligent enough to understand what goes here and what doesn\'t.
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Bad spam is also replying to yourself on another account. Leaving that for now, but this is another warning. I\'m being serious now, no matter how fun goofing around with you is.
Take a look at unlocked threads with a good number of replies. There\'s your \"good spam.\"
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Originally posted by Karyuu
Bad spam is also replying to yourself on another account. Leaving that for now, but this is another warning. I\'m being serious now, no matter how fun goofing around with you is.
Take a look at unlocked threads with a good number of replies. There\'s your \"good spam.\"
Replying to myself with another account to make a point, crack a joke, or even to add one most post to my utterly meaningless post count - a motive you\'ve accused me of - hurts no one. Since I did it quickly, it\'s not even as if people had to waste time by reading it a second time. Really, people don\'t have to read it at all.
So Hydlaa wasn\'t created to reduce spam, unless spam is defined as off topic posts that still have substance to them. Is that the definition of spam that you were working with when you said that Hydlaa Plaza was created to reduce spam? Are there any synonyms of spam that we could use to reduce the tediousness of reading these posts?
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Originally posted by zanzibar
Replying to myself with another account to make a point, crack a joke, or even to add one most post to my utterly meaningless post count - a motive you\'ve accused me of - hurts no one.
My \"accusations\" never pointed at you - not in my PM, and not in this thread. Thanks for reading carefully.
So Hydlaa wasn\'t created to reduce spam, unless spam is defined as off topic posts that still have substance to them.
Hydlaa Plaza is for off-topic threads. Off-topic meaning not related to the PlaneShift world, game, client, events, etc.
Threads in Hydlaa Plaza still must have substance.
Sometimes things become so logical that they evade detailed explanations. This is one of those things.
We\'re going in circles now, so I\'m going to stop unless something catches my attention further.
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So Hydlaa Plaza.... not created for spam, final answer?
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Well, sometimes a crazyness domain would be hmmm productive.
... I hope I can say this without hurting someone: (O.o)
Anyways, About forum games... I am not sure, but why is there so much fuss about posts gained through forum games? It\'s not like the post count matters at all.
The Spam issue, hmm.
Moderators will delete obvious spam, overly hateful flames, and cussing
Thus said, moderators (be it Karyuu or someone else) have the right to moderate in here, and it is due to their judgement what \"obvious spam, overly hateful flames, and cussing\" is. Not ours. This is what keeps endless discussions wether or not something was just away. The Moderation is there to judge, not we.
Well that\'s only my few trias about it.
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Originally posted by zanzibar
So Hydlaa Plaza.... not created for spam, final answer?
As far as I can see: no it is not created for spam. ((crap can anyone tell me how to reply to a question of that type without repeating the content?))
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making a thread whenever you see a new player/GM is pretty much pointless.
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Originally posted by Drey
making a thread whenever you see a new player/GM is pretty much pointless.
Oh? Is someone doing that?