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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Vengeance on January 04, 2003, 05:01:41 am
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I know you guys are all frustrated by the slow release of Molecular Blue. The developers are too! We have been slowed by busy times with family at the holidays (which we should probably be thankful for instead of cursing our time away from PS ;-) ) and by some technology issues.
Much like Matze did in the time leading up to the Atomic Blue release, I will try to post here every couple days and let you know the progress. Hopefully this will both satisfy your curiosity and make you MORE curious about it. :-)
Enjoy.
- Venge
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Ok just to give you a current status, here is what I know:
3d team) Most of the world for MB is finalized. Boonet is currently going through the character models and tweaking their animations so they look better and that sort of thing.
2d team) Working on alternate faces, etc. so player models of the same race can look somewhat different.
Coding) The RAM issue has turned into a big project. The levels when loaded together take more than 400MB of RAM to load, and more than 250MB while running. Making dynamically loading zones has been my job this week and will probably take most of next week as well. There are several other small tasks to do, but mostly this is the major thing holding us up.
Engine) The new world has many rocks and objects laying around on the streets, etc. for atmosphere purposes. These objects are a certain type of object in Crystal Space called genmeshes. Until now, genmeshes have never been able to cast or receive shadows from lighting settings, so in our heavily lit levels they look very weird. MUCH work is going into the engine to make these look right.
Hope that helps...
- Vengeance
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Thanks Venge, sounds wonderful,
Don\'t worry, I\'m sure by now most of us aren\'t really frustrated at all. We understand the time these things take, especially with it being the time for family holidays. Besides we\'re well used to waiting ;)
Looking forward to hearing more :D
BTW if you want this as a MB development diary only, just delete away ;)
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Hey Vengeance,
At the present, enabling the sound renderer will crash the client (at least in GNU/Linux anyway).
Do you know if this has been addressed in the upcoming release ?
Thanks ! :)
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2 things
1. when you guys talk about wanting to make it so everyone can play it what is the minimum requirement for that because I mean if you dont have enough RAM shouldnt it be tough luck go buy some cause for the people who do have it its just like blahhhh (sorry if this sounds a little arrogant, im not trying to.)
2. Lock this thread so that only Vengeance and the other mods can add things of notice too it. I think it would be a bit easier. or just over all add a page to the PS Site with a diary
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I agree, they should say touch luck, They should not hold back on CPU, Ram, Video Card, or Internet speed, they should not hold back the game just because some people are behind times.
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There should be a vote about whether they should work on the ram requirement or not. Obviously, if the majority of the people do not have enough RAM to run the game, they should not advance until this is fixed.
But even if it seems like it runs well enough in the tech alpha we still don\'t know, because there is no action going on. With many people in the town and a lot of action going on it might start running bad. The devs probably know best. After all, this game can get choppy on my comp and it gets an 8000 in 3d mark at 1024 by 768. I also have 256 ddr ram.
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512MB of RAM as a minimum requirement isn\'t reasonable, and if you guys think it is then YOU aren\'t being reasonable. :-) Most of the devs don\'t even have that, and they want to be able to run it worse than you do, trust me.
Sarth, I think the sound problem is fixed, but YMMV.
Also, no voting. :-)
- V
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Normally I sit back and watch arguements, being the lover that I am :] However, I need to put something in for the losers here. I have a HP and I have a DSL connection. One of my problems is the ram, I can\'t add more sticks or increase it in any way because HP are nazis who made my computer in one big chunk so nothing can be put in it. Try to make the game as ram-efficiant as possible, theres lots of people out there with sucky computers, most of us just aren\'t in the financial position to do anything about it for the time being. :(
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:D :baby: k, no point in arguing with the admins 8o
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Update for 3am Sunday morning:
Dynamic zone loading is working! Halleluia! Much quicker than I thought to implement. Unloading is the tricky part though and is not done yet. Anyone want to guess what Sunday\'s task is going to be?
- Venge
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Well zone unloading is working now as well, but there are problems in CS with it, causing memory leaks (bad). We\'ll need to track those down but god knows how... ;-)
I spent tonight making the players walk backwards if they actually GO backwards. It looks pretty good.
Talad has been focusing on the lighting effects in the world levels... I think you will like them.
There\'s the update.
- Venge
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Thats great venge Venge, thanks for the update :D Des that mean the characters will have lighting effects now? that would be pretty sweet.
Although, i really don\'t know what much of this stuff means:baby: .
Could you possibly give give a *rough* estimate of how close you are to finishing MB?
If not, I understand ;) \"Nope\"
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We are targeting the end of January... but we\'ve had other targets. :-)
There isn\'t much left on the list that is major. Just things like making the anims match the actions, debugging and general polish.
\"Finalization\" is just harder and more time-consuming than it always seems.
Just for the record, I don\'t mind questions here.
- Vengeance
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hehe, there are two types of release dates in the computer industry, the standard(windows 98, diablo II, etc) that keep getting pushed back, and the other(i forget who used it) which first says \"It\'ll be ready when it\'s ready\", for a while, then says \"It\'s ready\" and releases the games. I am a big fan of the second method, but if you tried it here, you would probably get lynched :D I can just see the mob of link\'s drawings marching around with torches and pitchforks...
One thing that might keep people from bugging you as much is the miracle worker principle. Scotty pads his estimates, so when he pulls them off in half the time, he looks like a miracle worker.
Jessyn
Oh, link, there\'s an idea for your next piece - lynch mob
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I have spent the last couple days getting one-time animations to work properly.
Boonet has done a great job of making some \"greet\" animations for each race. However, up till now CS has really been set up for looping animations like running or standing (which is really swaying and breathing in and out). In order to have a /wave command or /greet command, we needed to be able to specify to CS to play an animation once, then return to the previous animation. (For example, in this case you are in \"stand\" mode, and you type /greet. CS plays the \"greet\" action one time, then flips automatically back to the \"stand\" animation loop.)
I got this implemented last night, so now everyone will be able to wave at each other. :-)
Acraig and I also did much testing of server, making sure our players could still see each other as they ran around--something we haven\'t really tested since releasing Atomic Blue. It worked pretty well but took 4 hours of tweaking to get it nice.
The list continues to shrink...
- Venge
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so, vengeance what other projects are you working on?
You know, the ones that bring home the bacon.
I remember last time I asked this question I can\'t remember what you said but I did try that program that downloaded pics from web pages \'was kinda cool but I could only get it to gain pictures from the surface page of the site and couldn\'t figure out how to get it to search other links on the site for more pics. It could have been just me or the fact that it was a demo I\'m not sure but anyway I was just wondering if you were working on any neat projects besides planeshift.
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In my day job I run a small consulting firm here in Houston. We have about 12 guys working for various clients, and I am the project manager and account director for 2 of those clients. One project is C++ and Oracle transaction processing and one is ASP web stuff.
But Planeshift is what really interests me. :-)
- V
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Ok yesterday I focused on the animations. In Atomic Blue (the existing public release from a few months ago), the only two animations were \"stand\" and \"walk\". Now we have also \"run\" and \"greet\". I put the code into the game last night to play those animations at the right time and to make sure they are sent over the network correctly, so other people see you running if you are running and so forth.
Getting closer...
- Venge
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Thanx Venge, you and the PS team are doing a great job :) I wish I could help but my C++ knowledge is currently limited. Maybe later I could help out in some way, I really admire what you guys are doing.
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Well us computer geeks, most of us anyways, don\'t do all that stuff, which is a good reason to give parents and relatives and people when they ask why your are always in your room messing with your computer instead of out running around on the streets. Plus good jobs are on the way.
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Yeah, with a good salary too.
My parents think i\'m some kind of idiot when i\'m constantly messing around in my computer and buying stuff for it. \"Don\'t waste your money\" they say
Ha, they can say that again when i have bought my first villa with swimming pool and helipad.
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Yeah, god, it pisses me off when people say \"Why are you blowing your money on software and games\".
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Sorry for being off topic, but I feel compeled to comment on the recent \"carreer choice\" messages.
Just a word of advice guys. Not all computer people make lots of money. Right now the market is tough, but it\'s picking up a bit. Be warned that it might fall again before you graduate college (or whatever). I got a nice job out of college (graduate school), but I have plenty of friends that graduated with me (in May 2002) that are still looking. Additionall, some of the really neat jobs (like the United Space Alliance and most game companies) pay a lot less than you think.
Additionally, the tech indusrty has many facets. My advice is get experience in all the areas that you can, while specializing (or appearing to specialize) in one. That way people can\'t say you\'ve pigeon holed yourself and (at the say time) they can\'t say you have no direction. This means looking long and hard at what\'s out there and taking a wide variety of classes. Graduate school is great for giving the impression of specialization. I am not saying that college is for everyone, but I think that it is the best way for most. I have a friend that is doing network admining for a multi-national conglomerate out of Houston. He didn\'t even graduate high school and he makes more money than I do. Unfortunately, if he ever looses his job, he\'ll be hard pressed to get a similar paying position with the current market saturation.
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or we could just get all the geeks and nerds together and take over.....
\"Und zen, ve vill take over... ZE VORLD!!!!\"
Jessyn
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kinshadow is right about his points here. Especially the part about the guy who didn\'t graduate high-school and is making lots of money. That guy might be making a lot now but if he loses that job, he\'s screwed, and if he keeps it he\'ll never make more than now.
Another point in favor of college is that you will *never*, ever be around more single and smart women again in your LIFE. (or men :-) ). Once you\'re in the real world you have to start checking for rings and believe me, that sux.
- Venge
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Now back on topic, I spent yesterday making it so that the camera is at different heights depending on which race you are playing. This makes the dwarfs very short and the Krans seem HUGE! :-)
Tonight I am fixing our lightning effects a little bit.
Yesterday also we had 3 people connected for over 30 minutes and no crashes or bad stuff. I believe we will have at least a dev team release by end of week.
- Venge
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You guys really are working hard for something thats free :P
keep up the good work :)
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pwn
/clap for PS Team :]
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lol, you\'re starting to get me all excyted... woo, my stomach is churning. :D :D
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This is going much faster than I thought, I mean all u guys are working for free. Thanx for the update Venge :)
I can\'t wait until MB, but I guess I have no choice.
BTW Venge u are sure right about college and women, getting a higher education has never felt so good :))
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nah!!! only Vengeance is working hard... others like me are just watching him. That\'s how the dev team works, Vengeance works.. others are morally supporting him
:D
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*crack*
Back to work Venge.
*crack*
The beatings will cease when morale improves.
*crack*
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Thanks for the compliments guys, but I am not the only person busting my ass for MB. I am just the only one posting here. :-)
I\'ve been working more on lightning and rain for a couple days now, and it is really nice. The sounds go together with it and it really sounds cool! Of course, I could be overenthusiastic because it is once again 3am but I couldn\'t believe how good it sounded the first time it actually played correctly on my machine here. :-)
Hopefully we will have a dev release this weekend, and a fan release in a week or two.
There ya go,
Vengeance
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First off, let me just say its great to see another gamedev enthusiast in Houston (live in Houston myself), not many of us here ;)
Second, I have been following Planeshift for a while...but first time posting...and I just wanted to say it looks really good so far, especially what I hear about MB :) I am really excited to check it out and see the new changes. From a programmers perspective, its really fun to watch something like this evolve :)
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glad to have u on the forums:)
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Yay! Another Texan! I\'m in College Station.
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venge, im kinda riddled why there would be thunder and lightning in a cavern but good job on it anyways =)
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Hahah thats right, unless maybe hes thinking that the stone givies off bolts of stuff or something of the sort.
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Yliakum is an underground city. The inhabitants, a mixture of different races, also call it the \"City of the Azure Sun\", referring to the huge crystal that gives the city its light and supplies the land with life-giving energy. Yliakum is located thousands of meters under the surface inside a huge excavated stalactite, hanging inside a cave so huge that it could contain any kingdom of the surface.
This, plus other things (and images) are present on the website, explaining why this cavern is so peculiar.
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I have spent the last 3 days on the rain again... the server was sending notifications to the client to tell it to stop raining, and the client was removing the rain from the world successfully, but it was STILL raining! :-)
Turned out to be a bug in CS and was fixed overnight. Thanks Jorrit!
We are now finalizing NPC dialog uploading and getting Windows installation scripts working again, and I am working on getting all the new race models into the game.
Very close to dev release.
- Venge
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so since you got rain done and are finalizing the dialog are you going to be moving on to one large thing for a final shabam for the MB release, a couple minor things, or just a dev team test to work out any bugs that pop up, OR are you just not gonna tell us cuz ya wanna bug us... :)
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will all the races be in when mb is released?
I can\'t wait to be Kran! 8o
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Kran is in and looks great, imo.
Not all races are in though. I think about 8 total are in, including a couple females, so get ready all you online transvestites! :-)
As it happens I have spent the last two days getting all the final models integrated into the game. They are up and working and look great to me.
Regarding work left, I keep thinking we will do a dev release any day. We have a couple outstanding bugs. Talad is hard at work at setting up all the AI for the NPC dialog. Sarmaael promises us that he is almost done with the auto-updater.
One of these days... :-)
- Venge
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speaking of NPC dialogue, how will it work?
Is it click on an answer type dialogue, or does it use keywords, like everquest? or some other form?
ah, an auto-updater, excelent.
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I just wanted to know which of the races will be in the MB and which will be males/females
keep up the good work
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When PS is close to a release, how will I know what race is suitable for my characters main skills
like if i wanted to start mage, how would i know a good race that would compliment inteligence, etc.
Eventually though I can still train in other skills since the games classless :)
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Originally posted by Voldengrath
like if i wanted to start mage, how would i know a good race that would compliment inteligence, etc.
Reading the main website is a good start.
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hey venge im in huntsville going to college for CS :) this is a kick ass game and keep up the good work
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Originally posted by NeoStar
hey venge im in huntsville going to college for CS :) this is a kick ass game and keep up the good work
Sam Houston? My wife went there. I hate the school colors, as they are too similar to another Texas school that I have a strong dislike for. SSSSSssssss :))
Whoop!
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I know, but wont things change once the game comes out?
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thats the fun of playing u learn what characters make the best classes by trial and error
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Originally posted by Voldengrath
I know, but wont things change once the game comes out?
If the bonuses change, I\'m sure they will be updated on the website it a timely manner. ;) That is, of course, when the stats actually count for something.
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We are now finalizing NPC dialog
This is what ive been working on for the last month or so, when Venge first created this journal I considered posting what I was doing as well.
However after quick consideration I changed my mind as it would be quite repetitive and boring to read.
To answer Silverblades question the dialogue system will recognize keywords,
my personal goal is to make the npc\'s seem as intelligent as possible.
With the structure that is in place for the Npc\'s this is entirely possible.
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The NPC dialog system will recognize keywords, but is MUCH more elaborate and natural than EQ\'s dialog system (which barely even qualifies as one in my book). To learn more you will just have to play the game. :-)
I fixed a couple of memory leaks yesterday and we continue to get closer. I have to integrate the other textures for player races, so you can all look different, and I want to make thunder a 3d effect, and then I think I\'m done with my list of pre-MB things.
- Vengeance
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I have been reading all the post about mb i could find and i can\'t wait....................
Just wanted to know will there be sound effects in this MB release i changed the file so i could hear music but there were no sound effects like walking will there be any for the mb???
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yes, some.
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Now with this keyword thing, are multiple people going to be stil able to buy from a single NPC. We dont want to create a problem where only 1 person can buy at a time
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waits for release... i hope you guys already have the dev release out and one day its just gonna be like suprise mb is here :)
Oh and once mb is released... will our characters be wiped once a newer version is released months from now our will the progression of our chars after mb be saved?
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to answer your question more deeply and less like strong bad....
when MB comes out there will be a whipe becuz of the large change in the game, there will probably be minor updates through MB that will not require a server whipe, but when we reach a larger update that causes large changes, such as change in the types of character statistics, there will be a server whipe...
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so when we get to mb everything is wiped... and mb is a fresh start... that sux if in mb they wipe everything again for whatever version is after mb
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hmm... why exactly does it suck? The character attributes are not yet activated: don\'t lose experience and such just because you can\'t yet gain it...
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:D cant wait for this release! been waiting for it for years.... well more like a year... but still.....
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ive been waiting for some time, but hey we got all these great people here to talk to in the meanwhile
I really should sign up for the bbb.
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Which of the races will be in MB ? And what about females ? We all love them right, what race will the female\'s in MB be ?
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There was a post a little while back (too lazy to go back and quote it ;) ) about having weather in a cave. Actually, there have been recorded instances of weather patterns forming in large enclosed areas, such as stadiums. Usually it was nothing more than a mist or slight fog, but in a cave as big as this one, I\'m sure we\'ll see all sorts of cool weather patterns.
*Important Note* Thanks to all of you awesome devs putting stuff like this in the game to make it the coolest game in the world! :D :D
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I think the exact races are a secret, but I can tell you I have 3 females in hand right now, and there might be more coming.
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What things have to be done before MB is realeased? im just wondering cause i find myself checking up to 3 or 4 times a day for the download for MB....an estimated time of release would be nice but its all good if you don\'t wanna bind yourself like that...
Thanks for the great work the devs are doing....
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Id say a month max and a week min, but ya never know, and neither do they.... :P
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Well, part of the problem is that things that used to work sometimes don\'t :). And these are not little things either. Stuff like players not disappearing when they disconnect are show stopper issues. So we have to go through these things even before we do an internal release. But I think that most of these show stoppers have been removed. Again the devil is in the details.
Writing/Designing the code is 90% of the work. The other 90% is debugging it :)
Don\'t worry Renux. when it\'s released I\'m sure that we will try to make as much noise as possible :)
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thats 180%
you me the other ten percent don\'t you? :D
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beisdes, i think we already had a thread about the weather in ylakium, didn\'t we?
Jessyn
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Make sure you are subscribed on coollist.com to the planeshift mailing list, and you will be among the first to get the announcement when the new release is made public.
Thank you for your patience.
- Vengeance
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Will there be monsters to kill in the next release ?
If not, will we be able tol battle other players in an arena?
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I belive there will be no fighing in the MB release.
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AFAIK it will still be a tech demo... only this time more tech and more demo :))
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Originally posted by Yann
Will there be monsters to kill in the next release ?
If not, will we be able tol battle other players in an arena?
No, but I heard a rumor that MB will let you walk around as a dwarf and talk to people. ;)
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Originally posted by kinshadow
No, but I heard a rumor that MB will let you walk around as a dwarf and talk to people. ;)
Funny, you can do that also in AB (Atomic Blue). And that\'s all there is in AB.
:D
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*smacks Chlerval around the head*
That\'s what he meant ya fool.
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Hey Venge, how are things going so far with the Mac version? I haven\'t heard any response by Lightyear, so I\'m just wondering if he\'s been keeping in contact with you.
I\'m really eager to get this thing for Mac, I absolutely refuse to use Virtual PC anymore.
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bump... i see your on veng so an update maybe? on the date if you know?
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We are ohh so close to a dev release. Probably tomorrow it will go out. Talad has been working on assembling all the pieces together and acraig, boonet and I have been putting the finishing touches on numerous things (with help from several others).
We think it is pretty stable at this point, so we\'ll see how the dev release goes. We have a server in Singapore setup right now, with more to follow.
Sorry for not posting for a while, or moderating the boards. Now you see what the forums get like when I\'m not around. :-) I haven\'t posted because I\'ve been trying like crazy to get MB finished.
We\'re so close... then I can get some sleep! :-)
- Venge
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you didn\'t miss much but everyone bashing stupid link... you should put pking in ps because i would pk his annoying butt so he couldnt even play :)
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*ahem* Can you answer my question though, Venge?
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I have a question for the administrator vengence. When you say your working on the characters for molecular blue, does that mean the walking will be changed because in atomic blue i noticed the walking was a bit weird. But obove that i liked everything else !! :)) (except you can\'t walk into the houses yet :rolleyes: )
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sorry, i\'m going to have to repeatedly poke you with a fork so you can\'t sleep.
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I don\'t know where the Mac version stands. Lightyear was making excellent progress but now he seems to have disappeared. He is probably just busy and will reappear eventually.
- Venge
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Ok then, thanks Venge. Let me know if he returns.
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yeah like how bout MB already i mean come on guys
please the old servers been down a few days how about releaseing it already
(you can always patch it later)
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Originally posted by Bnore
yeah like how bout MB already i mean come on guys
please the old servers been down a few days how about releaseing it already
(you can always patch it later)
There is still some work to do to make it ready for release. We don\'t want to release something that is not ready. Just be patient a while :-)
Greetings,
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Yeah, come on devs, we all have 3gb of ram to run MB on because of memory leaks. Don\'t worry about any other bugs, we will just ignore them.
And for the SECOND time
Posts: 666 :D
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Hellllo peeps.
I finely post something again :).
I\'m reading the forum of PS like almost 2 years.
I\'ve seen that old forum, jus 1 page :p.
(Jus to prove i watch it)
I read everyday the PS forum but never answer.
Blablabla you dun wanna hear it...
I am not patient anymore, i am waiting more then 1 and a half year!!! :p.
And i\'d like to hear more about the developing, not the discussions...
Cous i can\'t wait till i can finely mine and earn some money... (If i understood the other posts right, you can\'t fight but you can do those things right?)
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uh...no
even if we were able to, it wouldn\'t matter since they all get deleted anyways
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We had our first dev release today... AND our second. :-)
About 10 people on the team have downloaded it and it is working fairly well, with some exceptions we are working on right now.
I would say a public release will be out within the week.
- Venge
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Cool.
I really hope it\'s next week.
Becouse you said it so many times ;).
LoLoLoLoLoL :P
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May it be true Venge....
:)
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Yeah, too bad when it\'s out it will take me a week to download it ;)
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Yeah!!! sorry to ruin the fun but I heard theres no fighting in this version so I just wanted to ask... do you plan on putting a combat system in the next version after mb? and dont flame me i know a new version is coming out im just asking cause fighting is my favorite parts of the game so :)
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yes, combat and progression are planned for the next version.
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SWEET...wait...how long will that be... ?( :O
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About april.......2005!!!! 8) In september they said they had wanted to do their next release in about 2 months, and it\'s been 5!
Note, I\'m not slagging them!!! I know this is a freeware project and we should be glad for anything we get!
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meh, they are still doing better than Blizzard
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yeah blizzard says oct 1st 2003 they really mean oct 1st 2010
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I\'m just saying ONE thing
Duke Nukem Forever
Now be grateful and be sure to pray a lot for this project (Now I actually know what the \"forever\" thing means) :D
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No !!
Pleasssse !!
Make the waiting go away, I cants bears it any longer.
I neeedsss it, I neeedssss it bad.
Make the releasse of MB soon, Pleassse.
;-)
Keep up the great work guys, cant wait.
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You can\'t just MAKE a release, there are many new bugs that pop up all the time.
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Link, if you peeped out of that little hole in the ground, in which you live, at least once a year, you\'d know what he was talking about. :D
*Hint* Sm?agol *Hint* ;)
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Originally posted by Vengeance
We\'re so close... then I can get some sleep! :-)
No, Venge! You can\'t! \'Cause then you gotta work on the Something Green/Red/Yellow/Purple version! :D
Edit : Ack! Just noticed I posted 2 times in a row >_< Sorry about that... Didn\'t mean to :( Thought I posted in another topic :rolleyes:
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Little update here: We are hopefully just about done with the obvious bugs we found when testing with several people on. The most I saw connected was 7 at one time.
We\'ve fixed some problems with lighting and with picking up items. We also fixed a connection problem and lots of little things.
We should have our 3rd dev release by tonight, hopefully, with a larger level, so we can begin testing in earnest. I still think it is theoretically possible that we could release MB to the public this weekend...
- Venge
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You all rock! :D
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this reminds me of a post from Parasite regarding spam who said \"three words and a smiley\"
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Interesting... the last posts seem to indicate they were made in December 2003? ;)
In any case, how goes your plans for release? (or maybe that last post was, in fact, made yesterday, and this post is redudant... oi)
... gaaah, I wish there was -SOME- game making decent use of Crystal Space that had a working demo up ;) Yours looks great, but alas, no servers.
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The dates for this board are evidently in European format of DD/MM/YY
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Unless there is now a 13th month that we don\'t know about?
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what? you haven\'t heard of Smarch?
Sorry that was way off topic, but i couldn\'t help it
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hehe, good one but will MB still be released this weekend? or.....
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i realy hope so :evil:
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As we all are!
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If this week starts next week then it could probably be yes.
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We are doing a final dev release tomorrow, in order to test the auto-updater and make sure all our bug fixes from the first two dev releases are actually \"fixed\".
Once that final testing has been done, we should release it to the public. I can hardly wait for everyone to see it. :-)
- Venge
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oOOoOo... this is what ive been waiting for :D :D :D
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so, testing tommorow and then the next day the realese??! That totally rocks :D:D:D
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He didn\'t say that, he said after testing they will release, what if they find bugs in test? More waiting.
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If there is an auto updater then coulden\'t it be released as is, unless there is some \"format C:\" or \"rm -fr /\" command run every time you try to open a door. Any future bug fixes should just be patched once ever 2 days or so(real bad ones can be patched in an hour if fixed), if people dont like that many bugs then they should come back in 6 months.
anyhow good to hear it comming along, good work on the screenshots :-)
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They\'re testing the auto-updater Nod
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venge, please stop pushing the release date back
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Originally posted by azeazezar
venge, please stop pushing the release date back
Well, we have no hard release dates. It\'s more of a general consensus among the team that a new version is ready. We are hopefully going to have the third inhouse release ready today or tomorrow and after some testing with that the next release should be the public one.
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Any future bug fixes should just be patched once ever 2 days or so(real bad ones can be patched in an hour
This is a free project, which means no one gets paid to work on this, which means we don\'t eat if we don\'t have jobs, which means we have jobs, which means you are NEVER going to get one hour response time on a problem.
I hear the guys over at Microsoft get paid to do this... maybe you can get them to fix THEIR bugs in an hour instead, right?
:-)
Venge
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Originally posted by Vengeance
I hear the guys over at Microsoft get paid to do this... maybe you can get them to fix THEIR bugs in an hour instead, right?
U mean Windows aren\'t made by a thousand monkeys working on a thousand typewriters, sure could have fooled me ;)
On a serious note, we all respect all that u guys do, and most of us are willing to wait as long as it takes. It\'s just a couple of ungratefull(mostly ppl with 2 posts) that think they have a right to demand something or complain.
I\'m currently going to school for comp. science so I know more or less what u guys have to go through to get everything working the way it\'s supposed to, and to do it for free :) u guys are my heros :)
P.S.
the day no bugs are found in windows is the day it\'s no longer made by microsoft ;)
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A healthy amount of smileys, Creathor. Venge, I can wait quite a while, because, at the moment, I have a computer with 64MB ram and (I think) an 8MB video card. I\'m not going to be playing the game anytime soon.
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I can\'t wait until I can play this game. It looks awesome! Keep up the good work!
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We released the .003 release to the dev team today and immediately found about 6 more bugs to work out, mostly related to camera positions and lighting changes. Also some of the characters cannot fit through some of the doors, so we need to figure that part out as well. :-)
Once we fix those, and some memory management issues, .004 release should be for you guys I think.
- Vengeance
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devs getting to fat?
cant blame them though sitting in a chair infront of a computer will do that to you...... BTW we\'ll love you all for about 1-2 days and then start asking about the next release :D
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Ok venge, so are these big bugs to sort out or a 5 minute code sorting job?
I just want to know if this release is going to be out by monday cause then im back off to school to do my mocs and i can kiss the computer away for a month, so am i gonna get to try this kick ass game?
Crimson
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i have the same problem... if it doen\'t come out this weekend i have to wait until next saturday...... now i know the devs dont care but :rolleyes: i like spaming
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Originally posted by Vengeance
. Also some of the characters cannot fit through some of the doors, so we need to figure that part out as well. :-)
Err, make the doors bigger?
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Or the characters smaller :)
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Or set a cool animation so that the doors fit form to the size of the characters. :D Or of course... screw the big Kran.
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Or you could give out mushrooms that would shrink or make you larger in order to fit the door ;)
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Honestly, I doubt anyone will really mind if odd stuff happens in this release. We just want something we can use, ASAP! :))
In the long term, though, you probably want an animation to let the Kran and other tall characters stoop down through short doors. However, I doubt any Kran would ever fit through a door made for a Dwarf, so we may just have to live with such obstacles.
The bigger problem will be when a character is too tall for the ceiling...
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Krans should be able to destroy a part of the wall if the door is too small...
However, i doubt such an animation can be in this game :D
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make a KRAN SMASH animation or make a ducking animation, OR make people be able to phase through walls!!! :P
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I think the ducking is clever...perhaps small doors qould be useful for Dwarven guild halls...it would be pretty darn hard to get in to steal something if you\'re not 3 feet tall! Although, it would be a useful skill if high-level thieves can \"grease the door\" or something of the sort, and fit through small doors that one might not usually be able to enter.
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hehe. I get this picture in my head of a fat dwarven thief who gets out the oil dripper and instead of oiling the hinges of the door he greases himself up so that he can fit his lard ass through. :]
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Something I noticed in .004. There is no masking for PW\'s. If memory serves me correctly, that should be as simple as changing the input type for the password, from text, to password. Which would auto-mask (using *\'s). Of course, I could be thinking of HTML form elements, which is what you\'d have to do in that situation.
Anyway, is .004 Molecular Blue? Or is there another release \'scheduled\' to be MB?
BTW - I\'m new here, so howdy to everyone :D
Alaron
-=Leithakor vanwa eilya lat ya, Leithakor vanwa lat
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.004 is AB (Atomic Blue) and the next release will be MB
Welcome btw :)
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Someone already thought of a name for the release after MB?
How about: CellularBlue (Based on Atom -> Molecule -> Cell (-> Tissue -> Organ -> Organism -> Community -> Ecosystem ->Biosphere)). PS grows, just like life :-)
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Yeah, but would anyone really want to play Organ Blue? :D
When my organ turns blue... oh never mind...
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Who says it will be an animal organ? A flower is also an organ, and there are blue flowers.
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If you look closely (this may just be me) you can see there going smaller to bigger grades of things,
atomic blue
(atom, a very very very small single particle)
molecular blue
(molecule, is a group of atoms joint together)
? blue
(what comes after a molecule?)
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There are more things that could be after that, but there are still differences of size.
E.g. Group of molecules (like with 4th stage proteins), organelles (or parts of them), compexes (like with EDTA), Salts/cristals (but these are often not molecules or are 1 molecule (diamond is 1 molecule)) or cells (to keep it simple).
It would also be wise to choose right for future releases
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Crimson, after Molecular Blue, it will be Crystal Blue.
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wen wil watever bleu be here?
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never by the looks of things, or at least a very long time. I have to say im dissapointed that its taking so long to release molecular blue. The fact that the devs decided not to put atomic on to the new server made most of us think molecular blue was a very short way away, but alas it has been nearly 3 weeks and no sign of the newer tech demo. Most of the devs were hinting to a very quick release but as you can see that is not the case. In future I hope they give a reasonable estimate before they get our hopes up.
I think its great that this is free (and it better stay that way *shakes his fist*) but the devs could at least have the decency not to get our hopes up :(:(:(
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Talking about decency, I think it\'s far more decent not complaining about what someone is doing in his spare time and for free. If you don\'t have enough patience to wait, you can a) help us being faster b) go play some pay2play game. Every other attitude just seems unreasonably arrogant to me.
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Originally posted by Crimson
I hope they give a reasonable estimate before they get our hopes up.
well, they tell you what they think when they think it, they didn\'t know they would have a lot more bugs to sort out, so would you rather them not update us at all?
Games you pay for release dates are pushed back all of the time, and what happens when people rush them? it turns out buggy and terrible...and that is when their earning money for it
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I agree with Boonet, complaining about what someone does in their spare time is ridiculous, and rather arrogant. This is free, they are doing this as a \'hobby\' for all intents and purposes. If I could code a lick, I\'d help out in a heart-beat, alas my only real skill is in coding webpages ( I can\'t draw to save my life, and I don\'t know any C++ :( ).
So there it is, unless you can code, or want to contribute some other way, then stop complaining. BTW, if you\'re helping with something NOT code related (ie: not working with the physical code of the game) then don\'t bother complaining either. As it won\'t do any good if for say you\'ve decided to help with the webpage. It won\'t speed the game\'s development up in the slightest.
Alaron
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I agree. Like all these people that come in here and rush the release, complain about how the game sucks when they only played the TECH Demo, and then come in here saying they want MB right away so they can probably riticule that one.
This is a free project, I am tired of people whining and complaining about this game, Like Boonet said: Dont like it, then leave.
Gah :)
I am off my Soapbox now.
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Well, hopefully they will jsut leave us be and we will get rid of all the stupid impatincent arogant jerks who complain like that
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I hope this doesn\'t sound like a \'darnit why isn\'t MB here, hurry your butts up!\'
But I am curious, about how far along are you guys on MB and what, in your eyes, still needs to be done? Possibly give us a list of features that you want to have implemented, make the ones that aren\'t yet in (but are going to be in) in like red, the rest in green, those only part-way done in orange something like this:
- completed item
- unfinished item
- not yet added item
Or if there is already an updated list like this, then by all means direct me too it.
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Go look at the news on the main site, I know they listed the updates there a while back.
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You can go here (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/planeshift/planeshift/docs/todo.txt?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain) to see the todo list and here (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/planeshift/planeshift/docs/history.txt?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain) to see the chage log.....
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Please don\'t come here, and on your first post advertise the CVS.
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Hey! What is your problem Link?? I was only answering Alaron request....
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Fran6co be happy, he was actually kind to you he said please....Probbly becasue you didn\'t utterly butcher you spelling and grammer. Besides that, dont complaing and read other threds so you can see yur lucky for not getting flammed crazily in yur first post.
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No, I don\'t think you should be happy, you should yell at Link more. Why? because i\'m bored
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Well I don\'t think everyone needs to be lurking around on the CVS, doesn\'t matter anyways, they don\'t put alot of stuff on it anymore since everyone knows where it is.
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Lately all the devs have been taking a vacation from PS in order to annoy all the people whining about where MB is. Probably in a week or two we will start again...
- Venge
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Seriously though, we\'ve been working our butts off. The only real remaining issues are still having it use too much memory, and a couple of sound effect issues.
One of these days it will be out.
On the subject of not slipping release dates, I have tried to take the tack of just telling you what I know and how close I feel like we are getting, rather than telling you guys nothing. If you get your hopes up because of a date or statement I\'ve thrown out, you\'re wasting your energy. Just read the info and feel better that you got an update. When it is out you will know. :-)
- Venge
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Notice it\'s only the new people who weren\'t here waiting for the first realease that are asking for a release date, we all saw what happens when you promise a date.
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Originally posted by Link
Notice it\'s only the new people who weren\'t here waiting for the first realease that are asking for a release date, we all saw what happens when you promise a date.
Ehy, that doesn\'t apply for every n00b here :D
I\'m patiently waiting for these new realese without complaining a bit :P
Ah, just a question: I\'ve read that PS has won a server. Is this server down now because of the new release or because it has just closed? I didn\'t understand just that :D
CEO Loide
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To add a point to CEO Loide\'s post.
Or is the new server up and running, but we\'re waiting on MB to be able to make use of it?
Alaron
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Originally posted by Alaron
To add a point to CEO Loide\'s post.
Or is the new server up and running, but we\'re waiting on MB to be able to make use of it?
Alaron
That\'s what I meant :P
CEO Loide
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Yea, the server is up, they just don\'t have the current release on it (AB) because the other one went down when MB was supposedly about finished.
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Originally posted by Kiern
Yea, the server is up, they just don\'t have the current release on it (AB) because the other one went down when MB was supposedly about finished.
Thx for the answer, that was what i wanted to know.
CEO Loide
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What are you CEO of, or is your name Ceo?
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Originally posted by Link
What are you CEO of, or is your name Ceo?
Oh well, I\'m CEO of nothing, actually...
That\'s an heritage from my first CS clan, founded by me.
They were originally called Camper E Oltre (Campers and Beyond) and I was the clan leader of them. I\'m very proud of that \"tag\" :D
Loide is a short form of an italian word... a not very nice one...
CEO Loide
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The good news of the day is that Lightyear finally got the Mac port working. (Yay!)
The bad news is that it is incredibly slow, due to some kind of Mac/OpenGl driver thing. He is now focusing on that.
- Venge
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Since last year I\'ve been scratching on my wall how many days have passed since I\'ve been here. I don\'t have a wall anymore, so anyone whos been here less than 2 weeks and is bitching for them to speed the release better shut up, before I crack the whip of my powers as Lead Viking and subject of King Link! Secondly, how many times do they need to tell you they volunteer, stop complaining and if you want it to come out faster join the team.
-A slightly annoyed cyo
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just slightly annoyed
and i am a subject of SilverBlade never link...
(NO offence taken i hope)
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well, for something different around here, im going to post this.
I\'d like to give a big thanks, congradulations, and a pat on the back to the dev team for the great job their doing and for making such a great game on their time, FOR FREE, just to make some people happy.
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Yeah, we should love them for it, and I must say thanks again for the great effort. I\'m pretty sure that this game is gonna rock (it will, sooner or later) :)
Good luck devs.
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Originally posted by Fanomatic2000
Yeah, we should love them for it, and I must say thanks again for the great effort. I\'m pretty sure that this game is gonna rock (it will, sooner or later) :)
Good luck devs.
It WILL rock, that\'s for sure.
If not, they can always put a railgun in it so people will enjoy the game more...
Ah, I understand how much effort does take such a project. I\'m Developer of an Italian UO shard, I work for free and for the happyness of my players. I understand everything you are going through...
CEO Loide
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Dammit people, this was supposed to be an MB diary thread....
It\'s actually quite annoying to hope to read some good info on MB and only see posts from ranting savages :)
Isn\'t there an option to make a thread post only for dedicated members?
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shush boy, be thankful, I wanna hear some praise in your post. :D and just wait till you see the most recent poster as Venge, then look, theres the info you wanted, and anyway, theres probably only 1 more page to the MB Diary until it closes where the new diary of the new release will begin.
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Originally posted by Nagypapi
Dammit people, this was supposed to be an MB diary thread....
It\'s actually quite annoying to hope to read some good info on MB and only see posts from ranting savages :)
Isn\'t there an option to make a thread post only for dedicated members?
Yea, uh, venge made it clear he wanted posts in the thread....if you would read the first few posts you would know that
So quit your complaining
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Kiern apart from \'Just for the record, I don\'t mind questions here.\' i didnt find any line that encourages people to talk nonsense in this thread. I personally would also favor a thread where only devs post (or if you allow players to post their questions at least clear out the non relevant ones).
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Its not that hard, you find the latest update venge made and read the progress there, you don\'t need to read the older ones because they are old and do not apply to right now.
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and if you all are so annoyed by it why do you not all shut up. If you haven\'t noticed, you are participating in clogging up the same thread you wanted to keep clean.
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Since Venge appears not to update here so often anymore I\'d like to give you a small update of what we\'re doing now. The main issues we are having now are two server crashes. With those server crashes there is no way we can release MB at this moment. So we\'re doing our very best to try to fix those crashes.
Aside from these crashes MB is actually ready.
So that\'s basically it :-)
Greetings,
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Excellent!!!! hehehe
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Awesome! I can\'t wait. Hopefully the servers get put back up soon.
Do you know what caused the crash though? (ie: just general hardware failure, DDoS Attacks, DoS Attacks, just some fluke, etc)
Well good luck with the servers. I\'m excited! :D Wish I could help you guys code. But I don\'t know any code :(
Alaron
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Originally posted by Alaron
Awesome! I can\'t wait. Hopefully the servers get put back up soon.
Do you know what caused the crash though? (ie: just general hardware failure, DDoS Attacks, DoS Attacks, just some fluke, etc)
Well good luck with the servers. I\'m excited! :D Wish I could help you guys code. But I don\'t know any code :(
Alaron
I\'m talking about programming bugs here. i.e. we are busy trying to get the new server for MB up but there are bugs in it that we need to solve. It crashes too easily right now.
Greetings,
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Ooooo. Those are abit more difficult to squish. Still can\'t wait though :) Good luck you guys! And thanks for allt he hard work.
Alaron
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well done dev team, we all very much appreciate it 8o
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I\'m very pleased to say that yesterday we finally cracked a very hard bug in the server and client code. So we\'re a big step closer to release now. I think there are only a few minor issues to resolve.
Greetings,
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Congratulations!
I you keep this up, MB will be released just before my midterms next week....
Nice ;-)
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oooeehh...
look wat i saw at the main site:
We are packaging Molecular Blue release
:D
i just cant wait to see this release!! :)
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That\'s been there since the new site was put up...
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Woa, I\'m done!!!!!!
I read all the 10 pages of this thread, now I\'m up to date with this topic oO;;
Well it sounds promising, hope you guys get this thing to work :D
*cheers*
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You didnt have to read all 10 pages, you know.
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not that it was boring :P
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I just read all 11 pages. With each page my anxiety grew. I was expecting some huge finally on this page though... fingers crossed eh?
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You guys HAVE to get a life, honestly. :rolleyes:
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Good news! Jumping made it into the release tonight. :-)
Better news! MB could be released today!
I hope you are subscribed to the \"planeshift\" mailing list at http://www.coollist.com so you can hear about it instantly when it is made public....
- Happy Venge
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Now that IS good news indeed! Great.
*starts polishing his modem to prepare for the big download*
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At last, couldn\'t hardly wait any longer.
* Puts on his biggest smile *
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Venge has told me the new release will be in 2 hours and Talad is currently uploading it and that they will NOT take longer then 2 hours. Everyone get all happy and wait because Venge is like second in command.
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2 hrs arghh! I need to find a way to get home, any tips on pulling a quick sicky? Good luck with the upload, I\'ll keep my fingers crossed that I\'ll be seeing some of you soon, wandering the streets of Hydlaa City! :))
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sinse wen do we trust link??? ?( ?( ?(
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Before you all get worked up too much. We still have to test the release AFTER uploading. And if during the test something goes wrong...
Well hopefully nothing goes wrong and then you\'ll all be walking around in hydlaa very soon indeed :-)
Greetings,
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hmm now it gets somewhat intresting... if link is right, then there should b a downloadversion the next few minutes...
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correction: ouppsy, sorry but his boards uses gmt time, alright then i gonna get a shower and check after...
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I understand the need for proper testing, all I ask is that you give me about an hours warning before release, so I can ditch this place and get home ;)
Originally posted by azeazezar
sinse wen do we trust link??? ?( ?( ?(
Link wouldn\'t tell me porky pies :)
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well, its been a few hours. I wonder how its going :))
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i want to walk around again:tongue:
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Still not.
Arggg
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hmm... grmbl
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maybe a bug was found :(
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You know how this works, no grumbling Abadaar go back to waiting quietly and it\'ll be ready when it\'s ready. You never know, we may even get a progress update here
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o.O; I can\'t find the mailing list Venge referred too =( What\'s the catagory under. If I find it before someone posts here I\'ll post a direct link to it (unless he was pulling my chain)
Alaron
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Kada-el
I was just trying to think a bit... =)
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wen wil this game be radey i am waiting over a month now i want to WALK AROUND
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Originally posted by Alaron
o.O; I can\'t find the mailing list Venge referred too =( What\'s the catagory under. If I find it before someone posts here I\'ll post a direct link to it (unless he was pulling my chain)
Alaron
http://www.coollist.com/subscribe.html
list ID planeshift
;)
sorry for posting 2 times in a row
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Originally posted by azeazezar
Originally posted by Alaron
o.O; I can\'t find the mailing list Venge referred too =( What\'s the catagory under. If I find it before someone posts here I\'ll post a direct link to it (unless he was pulling my chain)
Alaron
http://www.coollist.com/subscribe.html
list ID planeshift
;)
sorry for posting 2 times in a row
Thx, it wasn\'t very clear.
CEO Loide
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um.... Im about to have some fastfood in 30 minutes when my mom gets back from the store and what not, so... try to give me another hour or two, because if you release it right after I eat, I may die of a heart attack from a high cholesteral level and EXTREME excitement...
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wahh....was there a bug or something? Or are ya\'ll just dragging the moment on? ;)
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9:05 Eastern, any updates?
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Kitty Is waiting patiently for his MB release :P
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Voldengrath too! i might wait til friday afternoon though
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Well, I hope it comes out soon. Hopefully there aren\'t any major bugs or anything! By the way, I\'m not really a newbie. I\'ve been watching this forum for a few months now. Looks like it should be a great game. Good work, Devs! :D
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Originally posted by Half_Pint
By the way, I\'m not really a newbie. I\'ve been watching this forum for a few months now. Looks like it should be a great game. Good work, Devs! :D
Yeah, I bet you aren\'t. Don\'t get your hopes up, all of you. It probably will be another week since they found another bug or two I\'m sure.
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i hope there are only smal bugs
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no, only big bugs will be removed. Small bugs will be kept in to annoy us loyal fans.
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Can\'t they give ps with big bugs?
I want to play planeshift
or walk around picking up items and dropping them
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Sure they can, but there wont be any fun in having problems every 3-5 seconds. Just be patient, whatever they tell you, multiply it by 7 and it should be right.
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Well, they\'ve updated the Player Guide section with MB info. That\'s a good sign. :D
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Originally posted by Half_Pint
Well, they\'ve updated the Player Guide section with MB info. That\'s a good sign. :D
:( planeshift.it appears not to be working. Maybe it went down...
... or maybe they are updating all the stuff in it :]
Let\'s hope the second one :P
CEO Loide
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It\'s down? I\'m not having a problem accessing the PS site.
Anyway, I\'m crossing my fingers. :rolleyes:
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yes, they updated the char creation, the jobs, combat and skills pages :D
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i had a problem accesing the forumthis morning
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mmmhhh.... look at the todo list (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/planeshift/planeshift/docs/todo.txt?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain).... there are a lot of new bugs, but I don\'t know if they are holding back the release.....
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:D :D :D :D IT IS OUT!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D
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Finally!
4 20mbs and 1 8? harsh... :P
one problem though, all of the primary site are part 1\'s
no email?
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Yeah, I noticed that. I\'m just using the secondary sites. See you on the other side! :D
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Not for a long long time you won\'t (9 hours downloading if all goes well :P )
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Oh, that SUCKS! I\'ve got ADSL so it takes me like 5 minutes per part. Well, I hope you can try MB soon. :)
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I hope to see you there very soon... :D
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WOW, I go to work, I came back and MB is out :))
Great job guys, downloading.... hope to see everyone there when I install.
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Give me a link....please ...
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In next release you will have rain!
haha.....i\'m just wondering the importance of this? :P
surely there will be better things then rain!
oh, i\'d give you a link farkeld, but it\'ll take me 10mins just to get to the download page....
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It is a huge improvement Kiern (not seen any rain yet though ;))
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This should link you directly to the download site chooser page
http://www.planeshift.it/download_client.html
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The only problem with MB is that I can only connect half of the time, and when I do the server goes offline almost immediately after.
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I\'ve been getting \"Kicked\" from the server. Is it just because I lose connection? I\'m worried that i\'m doing something wrong and dont know it