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Title: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: sesmi on April 29, 2006, 07:52:34 pm
I not really good at starting topics, but the PG rating has to go, RP can't work with it. life is full of sex and other such stuff, this game just will be unrealistic if it stays like this.

how are the Dev's planing to tackle this problem? have they even thought about it?  :sweatdrop:
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Ekusile Feyorel on April 29, 2006, 08:09:42 pm
Sex and adult content ? Yes please  \\o//

I thought the group channel was for that  :P

Not that I have used mine yet  :innocent:

Seriously though, it's RP, so yes it will happen, but it shouldn't so blatent that it afeects the rating ..... find a room  ;)
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Ghostslayer on April 29, 2006, 08:12:35 pm
From that train of thought, every game that imitates real life in any fashion should have an R rating otherwise it is unrealistic?
I really see no issue with the PG rating as is.  I would rather not see characters RPing owning a brothel, harems, playing a prostitute or whatever, and as far as I can tell the dev's position is the same.
Adult content is not required when RPing, and by no means makes things less realistic.  The characters in the game really do not need to speak of these matters even if they occur.  Characters can RP getting married and having kids as much as they want, but they don't need to go into the details on how it happened in order to be realistic.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: sesmi on April 29, 2006, 08:18:33 pm
I don't mean R, PG-13 would even work. PG doesn't even allow suggestion.....
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Thyme on April 29, 2006, 08:39:02 pm
I think the problem for PS isn't whether or not it should be allowed, but the fact that regardless of what they rate the game, sexual content will occur.  This places the game in some legal liability in terms of exposing minors to sexually explicit content, or lack of disclaimers warning parental supervision in case this may occur.

I have seen other games come up with ways to address this.  Such as creating restricted areas of 18+ or having certain censors (which I believe PS already has...)
Another thing would be to have a small signal in the description of the player that indicates a minor, which can be disclosed when registering.

I don't think that the PS team can pretend like sexually explicit activities do not go on in game, and with a lack of guidelines, there is always the risk of minors participating in it without warnings, or being exposed to it, etc.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: StarsAndBars_1018 on April 29, 2006, 08:43:13 pm
I think the problem for PS isn't whether or not it should be allowed, but the fact that regardless of what they rate the game, sexual content will occur.  This places the game in some legal liability in terms of exposing minors to sexually explicit content, or lack of disclaimers warning parental supervision in case this may occur.

I have seen other games come up with ways to address this.  Such as creating restricted areas of 18+ or having certain censors (which I believe PS already has...)
Another thing would be to have a small signal in the description of the player that indicates a minor, which can be disclosed when registering.

I don't think that the PS team can pretend like sexually explicit activities do not go on in game, and with a lack of guidelines, there is always the risk of minors participating in it without warnings, or being exposed to it, etc.


And what happens when - this is something I likewise know will happen at some point - some dude playing as one of the devil characters decides to RP a rather gory duel in which he wins and proceeds to do all manner of sick stuff to the loser?
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Drey on April 29, 2006, 09:08:52 pm
I not really good at starting topics, but the PG rating has to go, RP can't work with it. life is full of sex and other such stuff, this game just will be unrealistic if it stays like this.

.... am i the only one seeing the whole online sex things, and the word realistic in one sentance and thinking "erm, riiiiight..." (and then nodding slowly.)

What i'd say for now is that if you have to do it keep it in private, people dont walk round in the street doing it and shouting about it do they? not around here so why should they in PS.

Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: sesmi on April 29, 2006, 09:11:41 pm
I think the problem for PS isn't whether or not it should be allowed, but the fact that regardless of what they rate the game, sexual content will occur.  This places the game in some legal liability in terms of exposing minors to sexually explicit content, or lack of disclaimers warning parental supervision in case this may occur.

I have seen other games come up with ways to address this.  Such as creating restricted areas of 18+ or having certain censors (which I believe PS already has...)
Another thing would be to have a small signal in the description of the player that indicates a minor, which can be disclosed when registering.

I don't think that the PS team can pretend like sexually explicit activities do not go on in game, and with a lack of guidelines, there is always the risk of minors participating in it without warnings, or being exposed to it, etc.


And what happens when - this is something I likewise know will happen at some point - some dude playing as one of the devil characters decides to RP a rather gory duel in which he wins and proceeds to do all manner of sick stuff to the loser?
I think that may have happened once. i think i remember someone getting bored and doing that in the shout channel when there were no GMs around. scary.

*edit*

I not really good at starting topics, but the PG rating has to go, RP can't work with it. life is full of sex and other such stuff, this game just will be unrealistic if it stays like this.

.... am i the only one seeing the whole online sex things, and the word realistic in one sentance and thinking "erm, riiiiight..." (and then nodding slowly.)

What i'd say for now is that if you have to do it keep it in private, people dont walk round in the street doing it and shouting about it do they? not around here so why should they in PS.


i'm not talking about what people do online.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Karyuu on April 29, 2006, 09:14:56 pm
There will never, ever, ever, be any sexual adult content in any public channel or place. Not by the devs, and most certainly not by the players, else big fat warnings will roll towards you.

The game is meant to be played by people of all ages, and we will never "close off" areas to people based on real life age. If you want to do something freaky and weird, do it in private. If you get caught doing something like that in public, your life will be pain. I promise.

No argument about "realism" and no cries of "that's not fair" will change this.

However, that certainly doesn't mean that your every "suggestion" towards something less-than-pure will be met with hellfire. Just be careful, never be explicit, and if you have doubts, don't even attempt it.

[ This is refering to sexual content. Violence doesn't follow the same strict guidelines. ]
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: sesmi on April 29, 2006, 09:26:38 pm
perhaps mabye a special adult channel? entrance only allowed after proving you're 18+.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: narita on April 29, 2006, 09:26:56 pm
I wonder if duels, people walking in the street weapons in hands, rogue lynching in the forest, miltary training, sacrifices, etc. is really a show for childs too.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Karyuu on April 29, 2006, 09:30:29 pm
Sesmi, no. If you want to turn PlaneShift into a cybering chatroom, the dev team isn't going to help you.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: sesmi on April 29, 2006, 09:41:23 pm
I don't. there are some people who think that RPing could work better with more room. I'm not talking about internet perversion, more about the stuff that happens in real life but is often censored in PG rated things.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Karyuu on April 29, 2006, 09:48:37 pm
I am more than sure that your roleplay experience won't be uninteresting without sexual content. The community can make do without such things.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: zanzibar on April 29, 2006, 09:51:57 pm
In the name of realism you say?  Yeah, right.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: sesmi on April 29, 2006, 09:53:16 pm
what happened to a little fun? the joy of the nightlife? COME ON!
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: zanzibar on April 29, 2006, 09:55:51 pm
what happened to a little fun? the joy of the nightlife? COME ON!


You're blurring the issue, I think...
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: LigH on April 29, 2006, 10:33:36 pm
Without reading all the posts above me, I would probably only shake my head about people who believe that the topic "love and sex" is more reprehensible than the topic "violence". But USA already proved it being reality, even innocent children with an age below 8 had been issued for sexual harrasment...

Fortunately, this is not the topic here, right?
__

Love and erotic should be able to be part of the life in Yliakum, to some reasonable extent, in my personal opinion. Explicit sexuality, instead, is definitely not recommendable (you may not be able to control personal messages = "/tell", though - I just mean public chat).

Prohibiting explicit sexuality in the game rules, and explicitly limiting ages in the character registration, may be the only way to express this opinion of the developers (and especially "reliable people"), although they are circumventable. But officially rating a game (by the development team or an organisation), is something beyond my understanding regarding "safety".

Including minors in sexual topics is a crime, true. But keeping children away from any slightest hint of this topic until they are adult, and scotching any kind of objective discussion, won't help the development of a balanced personality of children either. Love and sexuality is part of a human's life. And avoiding criminal acts is a duty of everyone. Relying on written rules and put-on labels only, is not a final solution.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: zanzibar on April 29, 2006, 10:42:13 pm
Listen, the violence in Planeshift is pretty Disney.  I don't think there's even any blood, and murdering other people is discouraged.  It's mostly animals and criminals who are killed, and gladiators in the arena.  I don't think that death is taken seriously enough in PS but that's just the way things are for now.

But there already is love and sex in the game, and love and sex aren't the same thing.  There are couples, marriages, even kids in the game depending on what people want to RP.  And couples do RP kiss, RP being close to eachother, and every so often I'm walking around and I see a couple standing a bit too close to eachother to be just talking.

But it's not graphic, and it's not in everyone's faces, and it doesn't have to be.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: StarsAndBars_1018 on April 29, 2006, 10:47:14 pm
But it's not graphic, and it's not in everyone's faces, and it doesn't have to be.

Agreed.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: sesmi on April 30, 2006, 01:11:53 am

Love and erotic should be able to be part of the life in Yliakum, to some reasonable extent, in my personal opinion. Explicit sexuality, instead, is definitely not recommendable (you may not be able to control personal messages = "/tell", though - I just mean public chat).

Prohibiting explicit sexuality in the game rules, and explicitly limiting ages in the character registration, may be the only way to express this opinion of the developers (and especially "reliable people"), although they are circumventable. But officially rating a game (by the development team or an organisation), is something beyond my understanding regarding "safety".

This is what i mean.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: ThomPhoenix on April 30, 2006, 01:49:40 am
This is a silly topic. How the hell are you going to roleplay sex?? Sounds pretty sick..
If you want a /penetrate command, make your own game.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Kiern on April 30, 2006, 03:22:16 am
I not really good at starting topics, but the PG rating has to go, RP can't work with it. life is full of sex and other such stuff, this game just will be unrealistic if it stays like this.

how are the Dev's planing to tackle this problem? have they even thought about it?  :sweatdrop:

I think you need to get a little grip on reality yourself if you think this kind of stuff would have any chance at all at being implemented into the game.

No matter how "unrealistic" it is, if you actually made this topic in all seriousness I have to wonder about you.  Which I think is the nicest way to say that...
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Suno_Regin on April 30, 2006, 05:22:14 am
I think what he's saying is, if a fenki wants to kiss a menki, there should be an emote? o.o
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Kiern on April 30, 2006, 05:27:12 am
I think what he's saying is, if a fenki wants to kiss a menki, there should be an emote? o.o

Do you consider kissing as sex or "adult content"?  I hope not.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: neko kyouran on April 30, 2006, 05:30:24 am
There was student in my health class who asked the teacher if kissing was considered oral sex.  It does happen. Granted we were all umm, *counts back*, it was a long time ago.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: LigH on April 30, 2006, 06:12:58 am
How the hell are you going to roleplay sex?? ...
If you want a /penetrate command, make your own game.

With words only, using "/me ..." and "/my ..." -- if at all!

If you can't imagine that, you can't imagine "roleplaying". A command for intercourse is exactly the opposite to our goals.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: StarsAndBars_1018 on April 30, 2006, 06:25:00 am
If you want a /penetrate command

Ack. . .I can just see this topic being closed.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Waylander on April 30, 2006, 07:01:04 am
If you want a /penetrate command, make your own game.

Wow, just think of the posibilities...I wonder if you would level up sex the same way as everything else.  /blow would be great ... and we already have the fenki /sit tight for it.

But no, it's not going to happen...I remember trying to get Karyuu to put in some...funny motions, nothing explicit, but I was hinting at it (/liedown, /dopushups .... that kind of stuff :P )

And as LigH points out...sex commands would just ruin the fun :P

Aaaaanyways, just adding my two condoms...
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: StarsAndBars_1018 on April 30, 2006, 07:22:42 am
Wow, just think of the posibilities...I wonder if you would level up sex the same way as everything else.  /blow would be great ... and we already have the fenki /sit tight f

And we already want to bash my monitor in with a bat.

:P
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: zanzibar on April 30, 2006, 07:43:01 am
I think what he's saying is, if a fenki wants to kiss a menki, there should be an emote? o.o


There are more possibilities than just that, and they will happen in the game.

We just had a big chat about in-game racism.  I think that in-game homophobia/ "anti-GLBT bias" might also be an issue if the game is "sexualized" even more.  And that's a whole new can of worms.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: vialick on April 30, 2006, 09:02:01 am
Personally I think there should be limits...if you walked out into the middle of the street with someone and started doing sexually explicit things, you would expect some serious punishment if you got caught...but simply expressing affection in public, well, unless there's some extreme strictness, most people have no major troubles with it.


Chances are if you are going to have sex, it will be in somewhere a little more private/secluded, meaning that you may as well do the roleplaying of it over IMs or something...in most situations, the general public doesn't know when people are having sex, nor do they really want to know.


However, I think that if there are going to be rules against explicit sexual roleplay, then there should also be limits to violent roleplay. Obviously this would be hard in a game where most people walk around town carrying weapons (usually increadibly rude, unless the're a solider/bodyguard), but I don't think it's really appropriate for kids to be around situations talking about some F***ed up violence when they can't see anything sexual, it's unfair and promotes a moral view of "violence is ok, but don't show sex, because that's strange and unusual...the human body consists of clothing I tell you" just like the majority of Western movies I've had the unfortunate experience of watching.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Cyl on April 30, 2006, 12:08:12 pm
Realism, realism, realism.....



If you want realism get off your chair and away from the PC, you will see there is so much sex out there, it could never ever all be covered by a game. Now to all the explicit content matter, all I can say is that as much as I might agree or disagree, it is still a matter of legality. Personally I don't see reasoning behind keeping kids from everything that is related to sex, however it is law, and it needs to be respected, in order for planeshift not being taken to court by a hell load of angered parents, who do keep their kids from sexual content. And if you come down to the floor of reasoning you will see that there are many more important things that add in to the "realism" of a game, economy, crafting, ...

furthermore I kinda find the idea funny of forcing realism in a game where dwarfs and elves band up to hunt epic monsters with valor and magic.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: apis on April 30, 2006, 12:19:27 pm
About this whole topic...

I was exploring the wilds, when I walked on to a well known menki and a little fenki. I greeted both of them as I knew him...

I was greeted back with something along the lines of "err... ummm... Greetings Apis" by said menki and "/me blushes" by the fenki.

Nothing explicit was said, but I knew what I had walked in on to some extent. I RPed it further with a comment like "nice view out here" to which there was more errs, ums and blushes.

The next day I met the fenki again, where I greeted her and smiled. Again there were blushes and giggling.

Sexual content is in game, and can lead to intersting RP  ;)
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Peacer on April 30, 2006, 01:19:19 pm
If you want a /penetrate command, make your own game.

Wow, just think of the posibilities...I wonder if you would level up sex the same way as everything else.  /blow would be great ... and we already have the fenki /sit tight for it.

But no, it's not going to happen...I remember trying to get Karyuu to put in some...funny motions, nothing explicit, but I was hinting at it (/liedown, /dopushups .... that kind of stuff :P )

And as LigH points out...sex commands would just ruin the fun :P

Aaaaanyways, just adding my two condoms...

lol, think about starting with level 80 in sex skill w00t rofl

but anyways, children knows about all of this and it starts in the kindergarden, i don't think they have a problem with it but their parents probably will. So if you are going to make a child which was the only reason for sex in the middleages i think then do it in privacy. Somewhere others doesn't have to listen to it, and do it in /group to rp being in a room
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Lilie on April 30, 2006, 04:22:23 pm
Yes I say keep this out of public. Keep it to yourself. I really don't want to walk around afraid of stumbling apon somthing like tihs. I also beleive if your going to do this why not do it in a messanger, it the same thing anyway. Any one who thinks this should be in game is just a purv, and needs to grow up.  :thumbdown:
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: StarsAndBars_1018 on April 30, 2006, 06:07:25 pm
I think that in-game homophobia/ "anti-GLBT bias" might also be an issue if the game is "sexualized" even more.  And that's a whole new can of worms.

Should I get the sacred cow tipper? :P

I would not want my daughter to have access to such things at a young age... can we say  pedifile.

Whoa. . .Good point.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: zorbels on April 30, 2006, 06:08:44 pm
I Don't understand exactly what semsi wants? Is it to be able to walk around the corner and find (read in a chat box) a couple making out? Or for a couple to just get right down and dirty in public? Really why is it so important for it to be out in public chat? There is a group chat where you could group all your friends together and have an orgy if you wanted to but it spares the children in the game of hearing these things. I would not want my daughter to have access to such things at a young age... can we say  pedifile. This would only be one of my worries, as I am sure I can name off a list. Think about it.  ???
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: zanzibar on April 30, 2006, 07:32:40 pm
Realism, realism, realism.....



If you want realism get off your chair and away from the PC, you will see there is so much sex out there, it could never ever all be covered by a game. Now to all the explicit content matter, all I can say is that as much as I might agree or disagree, it is still a matter of legality. Personally I don't see reasoning behind keeping kids from everything that is related to sex, however it is law, and it needs to be respected, in order for planeshift not being taken to court by a hell load of angered parents, who do keep their kids from sexual content. And if you come down to the floor of reasoning you will see that there are many more important things that add in to the "realism" of a game, economy, crafting, ...

furthermore I kinda find the idea funny of forcing realism in a game where dwarfs and elves band up to hunt epic monsters with valor and magic.


Do you mean in the media?  There isn't much sex in the media, if you think about it.  Tonnes of imagery, but very little sex, and what sex there is is usually highly unrealistic.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Waylander on April 30, 2006, 07:34:11 pm
There is a group chat where you could group all your friends together and have an orgy

Just what are you suggesting, friend ;) ;) Giggady giggady

Now that I got that out

lol, think about starting with level 80 in sex skill w00t rofl

but anyways, children knows about all of this and it starts in the kindergarden, i don't think they have a problem with it but their parents probably will. So if you are going to make a child which was the only reason for sex in the middleages i think then do it in privacy. Somewhere others doesn't have to listen to it, and do it in /group to rp being in a room

It would be great to see who the trainer was for the skill, too....my money is on Brado that sexy beast.

And not everything has to have an actual command...I mean, I'm sure roleplaying it is more fun than.  /flirt /tease /feeloff /moan /penetrate /orgasm /excuse_early_meeting

But that's just my two condoms
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Pestilence on April 30, 2006, 08:11:10 pm
I don't believe sex should be allowed in PS in the publicchannel. Ofcourse there is a big difference however between actually having sex and just flirting, kissing or hinting at it.

I do agree that the interaction between men and women is something that does drive a lot of our lives. You can also find it in most good stories. Just think of Romeo and Juliet. Having sex in a public chat I am tottally against. However I do think ways to show affection should be allowed.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Karyuu on April 30, 2006, 08:14:03 pm
Showing affection -is- allowed :) That's a given. But I think suggesting anything else that would require a whole separate 18+ area or channel is the most ridiculous idea. That is not what PlaneShift is, and definitely not what we will allow it to become.

As far as I'm concerned this topic is over.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Pestilence on April 30, 2006, 08:36:05 pm
Well with hinting I mean hinting that it happened not that it's happening. ;)

I don't feel the devs should write quests like that but I don't feel they should restrict players in this respect either.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Waylander on April 30, 2006, 08:41:51 pm
I don't feel the devs should write quests like that but I don't feel they should restrict players in this respect either.

Haha, awww why not... "Hey tabei, I need you to...umm...please a few lady friends of mine"  :P

But yeah, the topic seems over, I wouldn't mind getting a few more jokes in about it...but, it wasn't going to happen.

The 18+ area, though it would save the children, would also promote sex a bit more than planeshift should.

Besides, this has been discussed before
 Here  (http://qdb.ps-mc.com/?105)
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: zanzibar on April 30, 2006, 08:53:56 pm
And 18+ chat is a stupid idea. :thumbdown:
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Thyme on April 30, 2006, 09:25:52 pm
The possibilities I raised earlier were not so much to suggest that that is how I think PS should be run, but rather to indicate that I think it probably does need to be more explicitly addressed, for the concerns over under-aged players being exposed to sexually explicit material.  For instance, I have been propositioned by a player who I know to be 12 years old irl to engage in sexual behaviour - obviously I turned him down.  However, these cases demonstrate how PS currently has no way of protecting/preventing minors from participating in or being exposed to content that is legally questionable for their age.  I am not suggeting that PS should sanction public sex, but rather that more explicit regulations/guidelines need to be applied.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Karyuu on April 30, 2006, 09:39:00 pm
Thyme - regulations and guidelines can be made, but they can also be escaped by those who do not want to have them apply. Any 12-year-old can lie about his or her age, and I don't think we need to control what players do in private. We already have a policy on public actions.

I guess what I'm looking for are specific suggestions?
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Baston on April 30, 2006, 09:48:12 pm
This is a silly topic. How the hell are you going to roleplay sex?? Sounds pretty sick..
If you want a /penetrate command, make your own game.

Hum... If you say that I fear you lack of imagination....

/me remembers some ingame memories...

it's already possible to do very naughty things in game, and I know for sure than many of us enjoyed it !! *winks*
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Karyuu on April 30, 2006, 09:51:02 pm
Guys, it's funny in the beginning when you're making little jokes and remarks about your happy-fun-pleasant private memories, but for one this isn't the most appropriate topic in the world here, and two, I'm looking for serious suggestions about regulations and guidelines, if they are necessary.

So please try to keep further comments on your own exciting experiences to yourself.
Title: Re: a different possibility
Post by: scatha on April 30, 2006, 10:10:13 pm
I agree with the opinion that sexual content is not to be condemned as harshly as American public opinion or law does.
Yes, we are already on a violent site, as there´s lots of killing going on ;-)

But still, I don't NOT want to hear descriptions of "sacred" body parts while just running down Hydlaa road !!!
I do like to hear discussions though, and I think the /say command is much better than the /tell in most cases, it gives a more lively atmosphere to gameplay !

One possibility that jumped into my mind was:
a /whisper command which would have a range of, say, 50 cm.

Then we can whisper nice things into our beloved's ear, still with the thrilling possibility that it might get caught by someone else's ear.... But only If they manage to come that close !

Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Waylander on April 30, 2006, 10:24:35 pm
Whisper would be nice actualy.  Make all tells OOC
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: ThomPhoenix on April 30, 2006, 10:47:14 pm
Quote
Quote from: ThomPhoenix on 30-04-2006, 01:49:40
This is a silly topic. How the hell are you going to roleplay sex?? Sounds pretty sick..
If you want a /penetrate command, make your own game.

Hum... If you say that I fear you lack of imagination....
Of course it would be possible, I know, but it would still be pretty sick... 
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: zanzibar on April 30, 2006, 11:08:43 pm
Whisper would be nice actualy.  Make all tells OOC



Tells are already out of character.  Tells are only supposed to be used by players when they are talking to Game Masters.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Waylander on April 30, 2006, 11:26:03 pm
Tells are incharacter if "/me whispers to blahblah" Is put before them
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Thyme on April 30, 2006, 11:33:10 pm
I guess what I'm looking for are specific suggestions?

I suppose the best suggestion that I can think of now would be a small label indicating which players are minors irl (of course there is risk of lying, but at least it would be mean that you legally tried) - so including year of birth in registration would be one way to do it... Though I'm really not sure what is reasonable to possible in terms of having that implemented.  Perhaps the best suggestion I can offer then, would be to talk with other online games and see how they deal with these situations.  

I agree that any kind of explicit sexual material should not occur in regular chat windows, however I am very concerned over the "as long as we don't see it, it's ok" attitude.  This creates risky environments where concerns such as Zobels', over pedophilia, become more possible because people don't really talk about age limits, etc. and can't really tell if someone is participating in a way that is questionable.  I know that personally, as a teen who played online games at the age of 14, I became targeted by a man who was in his twenties.  The game I played didn't address these issues, and that meant that no one really knew what to do with the situation when it came up.

Now this isn't to say that I think that minors should not be exposed to or engage in any sexual activity, but rather that there is a danger in allowing adults to engage with youth in sexual behaviour.  Mainly, that there is a high risk of exploitation, and taking advantage of minors. Anyway, I think I've gone off on a bit of a tangent, but I hope that some of my concerns are becoming a little more clear.  I think this discussion is really productive to have.  So I'm glad that it's happening.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Valbrandr on April 30, 2006, 11:38:17 pm
Whisper would be nice actualy.  Make all tells OOC


Tells are already out of character.  Tells are only supposed to be used by players when they are talking to Game Masters.

Or  when people do not want to disturb others with OOC talk :P... and if there is already a public policy.. then we dont need anything else.. But if you were going to talk about sex or whatever.. you should be joining a group. Most people who play this game seem to be 12-16 and may not want to hear about another love connection over the internet.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Kergen on April 30, 2006, 11:47:32 pm
Yahoo has chatrooms for that sort of thing, otherwise I say keep it in group or tells, don't ask, don't tell Bill Clinton style
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: zorbels on May 01, 2006, 01:49:46 am
 

I agree that any kind of explicit sexual material should not occur in regular chat windows, however I am very concerned over the "as long as we don't see it, it's ok" attitude.  This creates risky environments where concerns such as Zobels', over pedophilia, become more possible because people don't really talk about age limits, etc. and can't really tell if someone is participating in a way that is questionable.  I know that personally, as a teen who played online games at the age of 14, I became targeted by a man who was in his twenties.  The game I played didn't address these issues, and that meant that no one really knew what to do with the situation when it came up.

Now this isn't to say that I think that minors should not be exposed to or engage in any sexual activity, but rather that there is a danger in allowing adults to engage with youth in sexual behaviour.  Mainly, that there is a high risk of exploitation, and taking advantage of minors. Anyway, I think I've gone off on a bit of a tangent, but I hope that some of my concerns are becoming a little more clear.  I think this discussion is really productive to have.  So I'm glad that it's happening.

 :) You know you raise a some good points. I think that the responsibilities for children mostly belong with the parents. These parents should know the risks and chances with planeshift that they would be letting their children engage in. No way or how would my daughter be playing this game without me checking up on her. (This includes logs and fifteen minute checks on monitoring her game) The chat is to open and risks to great. I am a very laid back parent but I will not help put my child into a uncomfortable situation, or help expose her to cyber until she is old enough to make her own choices. Indeed the security in planeshift is not really there to protect children but I think there is only so much the planeshift team can do. Ultimately it is the parents who should be looking after their children, and not the PS team.  
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: IronHead on May 01, 2006, 02:31:51 am
erm, well, as far as I can tell, that's not adult  content, that's just a horny little kid, I don't really think there's much that can be done about it tho,
whatever you do, don't add a chat filter, those always mess up and make everything unrealistic
you could always just have a reporting system (you probably do already)  you know, just send a screen shot in and then someone will deal with it as they see fit

and deffinitly, do NOT have an 18+ area, I assure you, the game will go in a very bad direction, and probably even make the non 18+ area have an air of perversion
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: vialick on May 01, 2006, 03:24:31 am
Perhaps someone could just fork planeshift into a new adult version and call it planeshaft...and restrict the game to all the sick individuals that can't be bothered using bittorrent for their porn...
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: StarsAndBars_1018 on May 01, 2006, 07:14:30 am
and call it planeshaft

What do you think this is, the Playboy channel? :P
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Gris on May 01, 2006, 07:21:14 am
it's really kind of sad and pathetic athat this has to be addressed at all.
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Peacer on May 01, 2006, 08:57:38 am
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It would be great to see who the trainer was for the skill, too....my money is on Brado that sexy beast.

naah i tihnk a female demorian would be greater, a moondancer perhaps, naked elves dancing in the moon *nightwish - moondance* i don't think brado is that sexy, he has rats all over the place. No here is the one to teach us how to make children, The girl on the tavernroof XD  :-* :love: :-[

personally my favourite would be the /slap command to slap persons, (could also be used in duels lol)
Title: Re: sex and adult content on planeshift.
Post by: Karyuu on May 01, 2006, 09:04:37 am
I've let this thread go on for a long time, longer than necessary even, but this is just becoming stupid now.

Answers to issues - PlaneShift will never have adult-oriented content made by developers nor will it allow adult-oriented content by players in public.

Asking people for their age during sign-up is easily circumvented if one doesn't want to be labeled a minor in some form, however small and slight.

We do not wish to govern what players do in private, so further rules are unlikely - rules for public actions already exist, for those who lack common sense.

If there are any further questions, please PM me.