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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: LARAGORN on June 18, 2006, 10:27:18 pm

Title: Abusing the DR
Post by: LARAGORN on June 18, 2006, 10:27:18 pm
I don’t know about you but I have heard this many times;
” I’ll be right back I have to go to the Death Realm to sell my stuff”
The Death Realm is where you go when you are killed; it shouldn’t be a shortcut to sell stuff. I don’t know if the people who do this don’t know where the shops are that buy there loot, or they are just too lazy to go to the proper shop.
I think that if you kill your self it should be harder to get out of the DR. This way it will stop people from using it as a shortcut. If you are killed, it is fine the way it is (for now).
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: Darkblade on June 18, 2006, 10:41:38 pm
Later on, the DR will become much bigger, much more confusing, and much, much more dangerous. As of now, the DR is kinda small, a.. inconvinience. Certainly it'll get big enough to discourage suicide.
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: Farren Kutter on June 18, 2006, 10:45:25 pm
I hope for them to make it a place for morepowerful people to go for more challenge, and for the less powerful to cautiously make their way through.
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: Loto on June 18, 2006, 11:51:43 pm
Then the death guardian shouldn't buy stuff or there should me merchants who buy stuff. I can't find anyone who buys animal parts (if there is anyone please correct me) so untill there is one people will kill themselves. They probably aren't good RP'ers anyway.
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: Karyuu on June 18, 2006, 11:54:51 pm
There are two merchants outside of the DR who buy animal parts.
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: ou8i8uo on June 19, 2006, 04:56:06 am
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The Death Realm is where you go when you are killed
I feel pretty stupid saying "I killed him" just to have the said character return 8 minutes later so I tend to think of the Death realm to be more like a place one is banished to when they are hurt. The penalty of course is the time it takes to run out. Death guardian is a pretty handy guy to have around, especially if one is full of Ulbernaut claws and hides and has just been smacked down by daddy ulber. So, may I suggest you think of it as a place of recuperation for the time being, lets remember those magic words...
Planeshift is still in it's infancy,  it will grow in time.
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: The Wandering Djinn on June 20, 2006, 07:20:18 am
There are two merchants outside of the DR who buy animal parts.

Yes, and for a while, initially, one of those was a pretty safe place for new players in Hydlaa and in Ojaveda, to take their first few full inventories-worth of hides AND animal parts to sell. Not now, as there are two powerful neighbours there who both get curious when visitors arrive...

...and that nosey neighbourliness will put a new player straight down to DR to say hi to the Death Guardian.

Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: Kaerli on June 20, 2006, 03:04:41 pm
There are two merchants outside of the DR who buy animal parts.

Yes, and for a while, initially, one of those was a pretty safe place for new players in Hydlaa and in Ojaveda, to take their first few full inventories-worth of hides AND animal parts to sell. Not now, as there are two powerful neighbours there who both get curious when visitors arrive...

...and that nosey neighbourliness will put a new player straight down to DR to say hi to the Death Guardian.



The Bandit isn't so bad... but that Rogue (like his brethen) likes to chase after anyone who gets too close...and he is VERY tough (40+ damage/hit with that sword of his)
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: LARAGORN on June 20, 2006, 07:17:14 pm
     OK I understand that the shops that buy hides and animal parts aren’t convenient, but I think they are set up well. The traveling that one has to do gives great opportunity for RP and a chance to get to know the lay of the land. It also allows one to find the proper trainers so they cane increase their skill. I have met some interesting characters on my journeys. I have met beggars, thugs, noobs (like myself), and helpful old-timers. The arena isn’t hard to get to and takes very little time. The buyer in the valley isn’t very hard to get to either. I have made a successful transaction with 0 armor, and 0 level sword. I use third person follow and zoom way out. If I see the rogue coming, I make a hasty retreat. In Oja there are plenty rats so once a young fighter gets there they can stay for a while and practice there weapon of choice.
     This is just the way I see it, and I know not every one will agree. Take into account this is my very first Role Playing game, so by no means am I a great RPer (but I am trying :) ).

Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: Avarus on June 20, 2006, 07:26:39 pm
People are lazy, so am I. I'm a dwarf using daggers, but when I want to buy some training, I have to take the walk to Akkaio (over that boring road which I can walk along with my eyes closed and my big toe in one nosehole), and then all the way back again (over that road I mention in my previous ( ) ). It's shorter to go trough DR, and it's more exiting (not anymore, but ok). If you want people not to travel trough DR, then get those trainers and merchants to Hydlaa...

Besides, Hydlaa is the economical centre of Yliakum (so far). It's better for those merchants to get over here (more customers, more profit) and better for the citizens aswell (more jobs, lower prices due to competition). And it would safe alot of time...

Last thing: most people don't RP on a dangerous road, but on the plaza instead...
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: Gentar on June 20, 2006, 07:39:12 pm
Guys, do you realize how many times the DR has been complained about. Get off it, things will change in time so just put up with it for now please.
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: Karyuu on June 20, 2006, 08:08:39 pm
People are lazy, so am I.

Our goal isn't to accomodate lazyness. We don't want people stuck in the same city with everything right there for their convenience, leveling and leveling and leveling. Get out, explore, walk, meet people. It can be a lot more fun than you make it out to be.
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: LARAGORN on June 20, 2006, 08:14:07 pm
Guys, do you realize how many times the DR has been complained about. Get off it, things will change in time so just put up with it for now please.

My views were not directed at the DR itself, I understand it is a "for now" situation.
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: Zan on June 20, 2006, 10:49:06 pm
If you want people not to travel trough DR, then get those trainers and merchants to Hydlaa...

Besides, Hydlaa is the economical centre of Yliakum (so far). It's better for those merchants to get over here (more customers, more profit) and better for the citizens aswell (more jobs, lower prices due to competition). And it would safe alot of time...

So that way only enkis are seen going through the DR all the time .. or whining everyone's ears off for moving at least some of the trainers to Ojaveda? I agree with Kary, it would be kinda boring to keep everything in one place.
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: StarsAndBars_1018 on June 23, 2006, 12:11:58 am
much, much more dangerous.

Coolness! :)
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: SovHed on June 25, 2006, 03:43:53 pm
its fine as it is, as for suiciding just to get back to towns, that is just pathetic and you should be shot.
Move all the people to Hydlaa?
Yes ok i have a better idea for you, how about we just get everything into the plaza, put up some cages marked with different animals, put all animals in there, like cages saying "Rogue, weak with uber l337 loot". Put all the trainers in one building and name it "PL HQ". Delete all the other areas and just say that Hydlaa was seperated from the rest of Yliakum by an uber PLer while killing an ulber or something.

There you go, running solved, or maybe there should be a fountain of PL? that fires PP at you.??
Maybe thinking before you suggest things is wise??

Sorry if this post has offended anyone, but it just highlights the stupidity of this topic.
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: lollie on June 25, 2006, 10:24:49 pm
I don’t know about you but I have heard this many times;
” I’ll be right back I have to go to the Death Realm to sell my stuff”
The Death Realm is where you go when you are killed; it shouldn’t be a shortcut to sell stuff. I don’t know if the people who do this don’t know where the shops are that buy there loot, or they are just too lazy to go to the proper shop...

well i type /die all the time now to sell my animal bits.

frankly in this game finding merchants is a bore...and involves little intuition.

...i roamed all through the place where the guys who buy animal parts allegedly were located and still haven't found them...i like to find things on my own so haven't actively asked anyone in-game yet to direct me to them, yet it seems like the only way to find anything in this game cos nothing actually makes sense or is easy to find.

i mean - why would there be merchants in an arena who want to buy rat tails off ya - in my way of thinking that guy at the magic shop or the potion shop chicky would be wanting such ingredients.

not some people in a fighting place.
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: Avarus on June 27, 2006, 07:06:44 pm
Maybe if there was a good trainingspot between Akkaio and Hydlaa, DR will become much more quiet. Walk the full Ojaroad takes about 10 minutes, so if you place an Arena or something half the way, it'll be just 5 minutes walking, which is faster than through DR. And people have to do something over there...

Last point: the DR will always be a popular place, how dangerous and long the road back to life will be...
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: Karyuu on June 27, 2006, 07:46:12 pm
10 minutes of walking? Why don't you run? :P It takes me less than 5 that way... I don't understand this at all.

Besides, this isn't a "fight-train-sell" game.
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: Dejoweon on June 28, 2006, 01:44:26 pm
It's just my 2 cents, but I don't think that making harder or dangerous the DR would be the perfect soultion of all issues.
For example yesterday I got the "pitch-black-pit bug" 2 times trying to descend into laanx dungeon (I often descend there
with more than 60% health) and I don't think the frustration of a dangerous DR would solve anything.

There could be some other, better solution for this issue. One may be "moving" the DR return place (actually Hydlla and Oja)
randomly , so peoples not knowing where they will re-birth, can't use DR as a "shortcut".
Another way (not much original, I know) is givin some kind of maluses after returning from DR. For any player the deads in the last 2 hours
are counted, and the maluses increase with counter until you don't stay out from DR for 2-3 consecutive hours, then the counter is reset to 0.

I would like to remember that actually there isn't a way to resurrrect players dead in a group, and this is IMHO the biggest cause for which
DR should stay as it is...... [yes, even the best player could die for a bit of lag, in certain situations, IMHO ]
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: HarenaAbdolor on June 30, 2006, 01:49:16 am
I don't think that we should be angry at people for taking advantage of the death realm.  In time it will expand and then the people will have to learn to find the stores instead.  In the mean time it really isn't their fault that it is easier to die to sell your goods instead of traveling so far say from the Plaza all the way to Oja.  Many weaker characters logically choose to die instead of making the long treck because they are eager to lvl up and such, a reasonable attitude for newbies to have considering how powerful many opponents are.

I also think that the Death Guardian should stay there and buy certain things.  For example, I will be fighting along the plains areas on Oja road and get attacked and killed by some monster stronger than me while I have a ton of animal parts I looted and then when I get to the DR, the only thing that helps make up for getting beat to a pulp before getting to Oja to sell Telf skins is the ability to sell the other things I've looted.  Why should people that don't take advantage be punished?

This shouldn't be seen as a great problem imho.  The DR will eventually expand and that will discourage people from doing so.  If they still want to do that, why should we be angry because it will be just as hard if not harder to go the DR route.

Harena A.
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: Myrthe on June 30, 2006, 02:02:20 am
Later on, the DR will become much bigger, much more confusing, and much, much more dangerous. As of now, the DR is kinda small, a.. inconvinience. Certainly it'll get big enough to discourage suicide.

how can a realm of death be dangerous? i mean, how can you die in death?
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: Laith on June 30, 2006, 06:27:20 pm
lol when they do that to dr im comitting sucide to check it out :D
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: Morele on July 01, 2006, 04:48:45 am
lol when they do that to dr im comitting sucide to check it out :D

Thats what everyone did the first time DR changed.  I was "alive" when I entered, but I couldn't find anyone. Turned out everyone was congregating in DR.  Most of us actually couldn't figure it out to begin with.  :P If they expand the death realm again, Hydlaa might just loose their entire population to it.  ;D
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: Svala on July 01, 2006, 06:24:27 am
alot of peopel do use it as a shortcut, and its.. lazy, but who am i to judge? personly, i end up there more times than i care to metion, and not deliberatly either. if it were harder to get out of, id rip my hair out. as it is, i often die wwhile in there, becuse im in too much of a hurry to escape, haha.
i think the spawning in a new random area is a great idea tho. it would definatly discourage the 'shortcutters' without making things difficult to those of us who happen to fall down the stairs alot. ;D
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: Alvarez on July 01, 2006, 06:59:33 am
...i roamed all through the place where the guys who buy animal parts allegedly were located and still haven't found them...i like to find things on my own so haven't actively asked anyone in-game yet to direct me to them, yet it seems like the only way to find anything in this game cos nothing actually makes sense or is easy to find.

Think like this: can you imagine a world where you could just walk ramdomly and find anything you were suppose to be searching for? I mean, "the only way to find anything in" real life is through information that you get from others, even if it is a map or a guide, but not by "intuition". I can imagine all that talk about "but PS should not be like real life" coming and well, know what? I think that some reality factor in PS is extremely necessary, why? Because usually (but not always) people say this to justify lazyness to overcome difficulties, ignore the settings and common sense in roleplay or just childish manners.

i mean - why would there be merchants in an arena who want to buy rat tails off ya (...)

If you've cared to know what's the merchant in arena's activity you'd know the answer to that.
Title: Re: Abusing the DR
Post by: .:ZEN:. on July 02, 2006, 11:22:57 am
Later on, the DR will become much bigger, much more confusing, and much, much more dangerous. As of now, the DR is kinda small, a.. inconvinience. Certainly it'll get big enough to discourage suicide.

how can a realm of death be dangerous? i mean, how can you die in death?

I know that I am  not really contributing and baaaah blaaaaah blaaaaaah  :oops:

but THIS its so freaking FUNNY!!! .... and stupid...



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