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Gameplay => Wish list => Topic started by: Vladamir on January 26, 2003, 12:05:30 am
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Alright alright, I have only found one thing wrong with PS so far. The Stonebreaker and Hammerwielder females do not have beards!? How can this be so?
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They shave it?
Should they forcedly have a beard? I tend to prefer a different kind of women, so I am not really an expert in this field... ;)
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Im gonna say for health reasons of all the male players, the dwarven women should not be forced to have beards, I mean...they\'re already..short...and all..dwarf like....
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having not seen a female dwarf mesh, i cannot be certain what they will look like
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In all my Rping experiences female dwarves have had beards. But I suppose we could make an exception. :P But is there at least any chance that they could have the choice?
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In the few games I have seen character creation, you can choose between skins of what you want your avatar to look like. A freing of mine would always play a bearded female dwarf. He really scared me at times, if you know what I mean. You know there is something I really would like to know. When and when did it come up that dwarven females had beards? I know there is mention of it in the Tolkien books but is he actually the one that started the dwarven race or just adabt it? Do we have any fantasy guroos here? Sure would like to know when and where dwarves first came into being as well as the bearded female thing and who started it.
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Actually, I think he just adapted it (hunker down. When I get started on this stuff it takes a while.)
Tolkiens books were based on Norse & Celtic Mythology from my personal view on it. I believe Dwarves are more Nord than Celt due to their strong physique. If you want to know when TOLKIEN says the dwarves were created, then opnce upon a time......
In the First ages, when the Valar roamed the Ea, There was one who created people of the mountains who could mine and create splendid things, but he did not tell his creation to Manwe, the God of Valar. So when Manwe found out, Their creator handed Manwe a hammer and said something to the effect of \"I give these as an offering unto you.\" But Manwe could not slay them when they qualed in fear, for he saw that they had life, and he permitted them to live. And it was good. But the wife of the Dwarven creator loved trees and all things of the forest, and she feared that the Dwarves would harm that which she loved. So she went unto Manwe asking him for somthing to guard the forest. So, Manwe created the Ents. Sheperds of Trees. That should the Dwarves, wander foolishly and bite the trees with steel, they would be punished ten-fold. The oldest Ent currently alive goes by the name Treebeard, Fangorn, and a really, really long name in Entish? Anything else you want to know? :D
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I\'m quite sure Tolkien did not create the dwarves himself, but as to who did I haven\'t the slightest idea.
Would that account be from the Lost Tales Fantasyfiend?
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Ents, another mistery to me... I know them by treants. Was Treant actually the name of an Ent and eventually and accidently became known as the name for living trees?
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Eh, who knows. I always had known treants to be ancient druids that had slowly overtime became more tree than man or elf, or whatever their race was.
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So thats what that was.. No wonder druids have such an afinity with treants... I thought it had more to do with the druid relationship with the earth but if a treant is an elder druid evolved by magic.. that explains much much more. Funny how you can live (er play) in worlds but not know of the little things.
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Actually, I read this from \"The Silmarillion\". It\'s like the Elven bible. It\'s actually pretty interesting, but the way th book is worded is pretty arcane. No, I doubt Tolkien created the Dwarves, but he did implement them from mythology into his books. The books (LOTR) never really mention she-dwarves. But the sad truth is, that they are generally going to be ugly, regardless. Short, Squat, Pug nosed. The elves are about the only race known for beauty. My favorite race fantasy wise, has to be the Ents. I love em. I love th way their so slow, calm, and somber, then they get angry, and their anger could match the raid on Laketown by Smaug.
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From what I can find in my large encyclopedia of mythology, Dwarves are primarily from Nordic myth, short and ugly men, and if my memory serves (and the book source is correct) they also tended to have deformed feet like those of animals or there feets faced backward, and they wore there leather aprones to teh ground to hide this much disliked deformaty.
One by the name of Sindri forged Odins magical ring in his underground forge with his brother Brokk at teh bellows.
Celtic myth tends towards, goblins, trolls and gnomes and such for there small people (have a book with art done by Froude, detaling all the differant types of small people in mythology).
Couldnt find anything about treants in my books, although it is more related to heros and gods rather than the lower denziens of the mythologys, but comprehensive none the less. Often modern ideas are exagerations of less exciting concepts of myth, the original treants might be nothing more than a station or old title for a particular druid or some such, interesting none the less..
Yeah... you lot need to read books more ^^.
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What book is this? It sounds fascinating. I really have to brush up on my Nord mythos. For a while there, I was an expert on Greek Mythology. I don\'t reemember as much of it now. I used to be able to name all the muses, and their gifts. Anyway. So dwarves are even uglier in ages since? They really do catch hell for being ugly. Actually come to think of it, Gnomes used to bee known to kidnap infants, now, they just to mischevous things like put salt in your sugar bowls. Sad how they\'ve lowered their evil standards.
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The Ultimate Encyclopidia of Mythology
written by Arthur Cotterell and Rachel Storm... not sure of publisher.
Covers Chinese, Celtic, Greece and Rome, Nordic, West Asia/Egypt, Southern and Central Asia (Hindu, India) and East Asia and i think a few other pantheons.
the guide book with alot of brian froude art work im not to sure of its name, something like \"Guide to fairies, Faes and something a rather\" ^^, the art work alone makes it a good read. Has every thing from Kelpies to Boogarts(sp?) in it... il have to get that book out of teh attic and give t a look see again.
Hope that helps out...
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In the last movie of lotr (The Two Towers), Gimli says on their way to Helm\'s Deep, \"You know, the female dwarves have beards too, they look a lot like us, sometimes mistaken for men. And you thought that dwarves just sprouted from the ground?\" bla bla ya ya ya and then it goes on and on and they find the orcs.
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Movies aren\'t very accurate.
I\'ve seen a female Dwarf pic for PS and it has no beard.
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Regarding the gnomes i think they played rather, nasty tricks on people, not nasty nasty but not exactly fun for the recipent. They sortta never realy cared for the out come of there prank as long as it was amusing. i think the child stealing theme was placed on alot of the little people, even faires if insulted would steal a newborn from a person who had wronged them and replaced the baby with a changling. most little people where though of as rather beneign in nature, but dangerouse if provoked or annoyed.
Pitty modernisation has made them what they are now... damn Disney
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Tolkien didn\'t invent Dwarves, but he did create what we currently hold to be the fantasy model of Dwarf. Small, ugly, mean with an axe and hazardous on the kiwer extremities.
Tolkien spent most of his life inventing multiple dialects, modern, ancient, and pidgin, of Qenya (Elvish, though my spelling may be off - I\'m doing this sans reference) but didn\'t bother to mention how the dwarves procreate. I am firmly of the unfounded beliefe that this is what lead to the dwarves disliking elves in general. ;)
Tree-Ents were invented by Tolkien (Tree-herders) - EQ and D&D messed them up rather horribly, but these things happen, and I\'m sure Treebeard won\'t gather up his cronies and tear down Hasbro or Peter Jackson. Then again, it DOES take them an awful long time to make a decision.....
A dwarf without a beard is just a midget.
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The dwarves are important in norse mythology, Im norwegian and consider myself more knowledgeable about this than most of you, no offence. The dwarves made the chain which the Fenris wolf is held by. They also made a lot of other things. They live under the ground and are great miners and weaponsmiths. They seldom go outside their mountains. I don\'t know about the beards however.
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No offense taken. If you know more about, tell us. Like I said, I was more into Greek mythology, but I forgot alot of it, read it from an old encylopedia that we found in our house. It was before computers were like they were now, and when you looked it up, they had pictures of ENIAC and stuff. Very funny.
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Female dwarvens generally grow beards, it\'s as simple as that. Now, if a particular dwarven clan has a habit of shaving their females, this would of course be a possibility. I\'m sure, though, that most dwarves from other clans would think these females were ugly as Hell, as dwarves take much pride in their beards, male or female alike. :D
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Heh. Probably.
Hairy Dwarf: Look at that freak! Shaved! It\'s unnatural! If the Gods didn\'t want us to have hair theey wouldn\'t have given it to us!
Oh Well. Nothing is safe from vanity. Even abnormal hair choices.
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I am likely to know more about Norse Mythology then everyone here, Norwegian or not. I\'ve studied it intensively, and one thing must be said. Dwarves were maggots that grew from the corpse of Ymir, which is Midgard(our earth). Them along with trolls and other creatures that grew from the armpits of Ymir were banished from walking during the day, if the sunlight hit them they would turn to stone. The female dwarves don\'t have beards in Norse mythology. There are very few mentions of female dwarves.
Maybe in Nerd Mythology(D&D) they might.
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I\'ve heard of Ymir from a Disney show called \"So Wierd\". My sisters watch it and one episode was about Trolls, and it mentioned Ymir. Why does it not suprise me that Trolls were at one time maggots? I guess orcs are too since they quall at light. Interesting.
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Yeah the chain was made from the footfalls of cats and the beards of women, or something like that.
Germans also had Dwarves. I remember something about the Erlkin.
And Canute was the Celtic or Dane king wasn\'t he?
Peace 8)
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Hi there!
In generel: Races are built after some common stereotypes "dwarves have beards, elves have pointy ears" It is nearly always the same. No problem about that! But in my opinion PS's chars shall NOT be exactly the same like Tolkien's (sure his books are one of the greatest wihtin fantasy literature, btw) or other myths, settings, films, books, whatever.
Appearence of female dwarves and their population:
Compared with all other females in PS they appear as chubby, grimmy, little girls. Both male and female players who deside to play a female character want to have an attractive one. Thats why there are such less dwarf girl around. I dont speak about turning them into short sexy pinup girl but just give em a bit more cuteness. E. g. friendly smile or a light correction of their body shape for more female appearence.
I think that will increase the number of lady dwarves in Yliakum. "Dont let the dwarves die out within the next 3 generation!"
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A bit of reviving a long dead thread there, buddy. Not something that is exactly smiled upon.
All the same,
No point in making all the girls in PS overly attractive. I like having the dwarves as an exception really.
All the same, it's a matter of opinion, and when it comes to that, Talad's opinion and the opinion of the settings team rules supreme ;)
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Good post, but eh, you just bumped up this thread 4 years and 2 months :P
/me shakes fist at Nurahk for being quicker.
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Thats a false premise. What if it was changed and someone wanted to play a "chubby, grimmy, little girl"?
I really, really don't think everyone wants to play an attractive character. About half of my characters are old, ugly and cranky.
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Go for the middle road as default, neither "attractive"(I don't find a virtual 3d representation of a female as attractive) nor ugly, but simply average, AKA "girl next door". I think this would be the best option, so we wouldn't be forced to have ugly or beautiful characters, and some strokes of keys to type character description would get over the details.
By the way, there is a reason for some commercial games to insist on making "attractive" female types with scantily-clad armors for them. Planeshift does not have to follow them on this matter.
This is not just for females though, in my opinion the default for all character models should be an average look.
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There is a difference between having an attractive character, and using an attractive model. Currently, our Stonebreaker females fail miserably when compared to the much more solid construction of the Klyros, for example. There are just so many things wrong that I wish I could go on a fixing spree - and chances are, as soon as I will get the time and the approval, I will. Even something as simple as fixing the geometry of the head and improving the facial textures will go a long way towards enhancing the overall appearance.
I definitely agree that this is one of our poorest models - no insult to the artist who created her. We all do what we can, as our abilities allow. However as the quality of the surroundings improve, so must the rest of the models keep up.
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To the model: yes i agree the dwarven female model need to improve a lot, mostly the body is too sharp
To the look: Maybe dwarves do like women like these. For example in some cultures women wears golden ring around their necks to make it longer and to look better. I somehow don't think that extra longnecked women are atractive.
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Sorry I restarted this thread. But it is important to me. :)
First of all: I was talking about the visible model, not characters. Sorry I did not express myself clearly.
Anyway, I dont like -seems I m not alone- a general oversexyness. A "girl/guy next door"- look for all would be perfect. (People loving perfect looking models may leave to Guild War :P)
I personally do like that model, but i think my opinion is not shared among many others. Once a female player said "i really love dwarves, but the female model is just too ugly so i desided to start with a diabola" and i thnk she is not the only one. Imo it is the same to /many male players.
about RP:
i think a dwarf would likes how the body of lady dwarves appear. sure they dont like petite women. (but why the DR do some dwarves run after fenkis??Please improve your RP,brothers. You know who you are! ;P )
Last but not least: We all know you, Karyuu and all other devs do a good job and you work hard. BIG BIG THANKS to you! Especially your work is great, Karyuu!
"But please work at dwarf-girl-model first!" *ducks and sneaks out* "dont beat me!" (hehe)
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(but why the DR do some dwarves run after fenkis??Please improve your RP,brothers. You know who you are! ;P )
Why do black and white people get together? People have different tastes.
Also, if a particular dwarf spent long periods in non-dwarven society, his tastes could change.