PlaneShift
Gameplay => Wish list => Topic started by: Creathor on January 30, 2003, 06:49:50 pm
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I\'m proposing a set of spells designed for entertainment purposes only. They will not inflict and dammage on the victim and won\'t be usefull in a fight.
For example:
a spell that turns the victim naked and makes it run unconrlolably in circles for a specific amount of time
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a spell that makes your head smaller
the possibilities are endless, and I\'m sure it will be a great pastime at Kada-el\'s tavern.
just imagine Link being turned into a singing pig for everyone\'s amusement.
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What a great Idea, I\'m all for it, oink.
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sure it would be useful in combat. a singing pig would be an easy target :P
good idea though. maybe they could cast fireworks spells to.
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There is already a thread about this.
Read \"Cool movements\" for more info.
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I always like fancy illusions. You could become what ever object you targeted. Say you targeted a blade of grass, you become a blade of grass. Just pray you dont get stepped on. I am all for illusions and shapeshifting with or without benifits. I mean just cause you turn into something doesnt mean you should get anything out of it but in some cases you should. So if we use illusions and have some spare time and or resources, I would like to see some flavor ones added.
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Funny it could be like \"tim the enchantor\" from monty python\'s everfamous epic tale of good king arther and that wich is the holy grail
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There are those who call me......Tim? I think its a great idea. Maybe the fireworks would just be for kicks, but the running naked one would be humorous and helpful. Most games are to serious and stuffy to do something funny.
Oh Lord! Bless this thy holy handgrenade of Antioch, that it may blow thinee enemiees to tiny bits. And the Lord did grin, and the people did feast upon the lambs, and slothes, and carps, and antrivas, and breakfast cereal, and fruit bats..
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Well, not every game is humorous...
I can\'t say I find it humorous to see players run around naked anyway. And what do you mean by \"helpful\"? ?(
I think this is totally unneccesary, it will take too much work from the developers, and I don\'t wanna see players run around in different shapes like \"blade of grass\", \"stone\", \"sword\", \"mug of beer\", and so on...
You can\'t get everything you know... :P
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heh heh, form of a washrag. :]
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Fear the washrag, it\'s crawling at you at night and steal your clothes to grow in size... :]
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Still it would add humor to the game, making it more of a true role playing game, and less like all the other MMORPGs. I think people would enjoy this activity at special times or at the tavern, and so far only you(Fan) are against it. Grey\'s comment was actually funny and I\'d pay to see a washrag that kept stealing ppls clothes. \"Run Kada-El, RUN!\"
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I totally agree with you. What would an evening at the local tavern be without people with no clothes?
Oops, I don\'t mean \"people\"... I mean running washrags, beerglasses, poo, trees, floor-planks, guitars etc...
Why save it for the tavern by the way? I would really like to see walking houses fight each other.
Wouldn\'t it be cool if there were killer-rabbits too? You would have to kill the terrible killer-rabbit to get the spell to turn people naked.
Seriousely my point is that Monthy Python created a lot of great movies, but this isn\'t Monty Python right? This is Planeshift, do you get that? X(
I don\'t say that humor is wrong, but there is limits for how far you can go before the game gets stupid and unintresting.
Why don\'t you just give it up, because the devs is never going to accept this bullshit anyway.
Ok if you wanna turn into another creature with a spell, but a washrag...
BTW1- I\'m not the only one here who don\'t wanna see naked people running around in the villiage. X(
BTW2- Are you taking drugs?
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I don\'t know, being a washrag has certain ups, I mean, you get free food and beer! Never mind the fact it might not be in the best conditions, but hey, free is free. :P
Don\'t get so upset with people\'s ideas man, if they suck then they won\'t be in the game right?
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I agree, it would get stupipd and ruin the game...peop[el would jsut run into a town or village and turn every one into stupid things and everyonewould be pissed off, it was funny to think of at firsts but now it just needs to die...cause it will never happen :]
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LOL, ok guys it was just an idea. I still think it would be a fun past time in the tavern(fireworks at least). But if u guys don\'t think so then I\'m just gonna drop it. It\'s not like I\'m gonna get pissed and create my own game where washrags fight singing pigs as a blade of grass is fighting for it\'s life.
Anyway the topic has been droped and this is the last time you will hear from me on this subject.
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When I said useful, I meant the player running uncontrolably in circles while naked. Not helpful because the player is naked. Sorry, Should have been more specific. I would like to see your average cool spells like fireworks from fingertips, or say blowing lightning bolts out of your nose, then there could be spells were other players can only speak obscenities in foreign tongues, or throwing up untcontrollably (This could lower hunger I guess).
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Illusions like a blade of grass, a stone, a sword, a mug of ale, and so on would have a use... It is called stealth. If something is looking for you and you change into a blade of grass, then it is just like a rogue using a hide skill. When it is done out of the field it is just a party trick so it has two uses, entertainment and stealth.
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This thread is kind of diverging. You guys are talking about both Illusion class spells (which the game already has) and minor (less useful and \'just for fun\') spells. In typical tabletop RPGing, the minor spells are usually called \'cantrips\' and can have humorous and useful side effects. A good example is \'Glow Nose\' (from 2nd edition DND) that makes a person\'s nose glow (duh). It\'s funny, but it also works as a small light in an emergency. Other examples are a mini-flame spell (for lighting torches), spells that slightly alter your appearence (look green or slightly taller, etc), and various flares/fireworks (for signaling friends or impressing yocals). Anything that actually gives an advantage in combat (causes damage, hides you, etc) is NOT a cantrip and is regulated to the specific schools of magic at an appropriate level. Also, cantrips follow the normal magic resistance rules, so if your skilled and don\'t want the effect, then someone can\'t force it on you.
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Rudolf the red-nose reindeer...
Wow, a spell to make your nose glow, what a splendid idea :D I just cannot take that seriously! Just imagine Gandalf in a dangerous situation when a room is completely dark, and his staff is gone...but he has one last chance...to use his nose as a lamp!
If you\'re going to bed one night and wanna read your favourite book you don\'t need to quit just becuse it becomes too dark to read. Just swich your nose and voil
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Alright, time to put the cards on the table.
On side says no humour spells because it would just give some players a chance to be annoying right? Well, if this were to implement with a karma system, so if they annoyed people regardless of alignment, their status would go down, for being annoying. Penalty? They have to pay more for stuff or something.
I personally think there should be humour spells, too many games are so wrapped up in being serious with the dragons and goblins, that they start looking like every other fantasy game. I mean, you could never mistake Mario for Banjo-Kazooie, if Link and Squall were standing side-by-side you would know the differance. Because they\'re resoundingly differant. If having a flatulance spell makes this game stand out? Why not? Why recycle old spells about fire and lightning bolts?
Sorry if I sounded rude, I really am, but I just think rpg games should take themselves more lightly at times.
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Sorry if I sound brash. But take a look around on the fantasy sites. the ratio of cliche to fun is about 10 to 1. It gets to the point where they all have about the same stuff with slightly differant rules. I think humourous spells would give the game a fun appeal. Of you were a knight and you wanted some spells to show off, you could use these. Just for kicks. So I like it.
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I think, humorous Spells could be a lot of fun. Imagine the guy who insulted you / stole your precious magic sword / what ever, and you want revenge without doing some illegal stuff.
What about letting his nose grow long, make all his clothes and armor fall to the ground, or let something funny happen that marks him as a bad guy for a while?
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yeah that\'d be cool, when those \"Kewl Uber d00d\" comes by with his \"uber\" items, making fun of all the new people, you could make is armor look like rags so nobody could see whats so great. 8)
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Yeah, these ideas, both positive and negative, are good. But then, suppose some newbie had just joined the game and was prepared to play well, but died of laughing in real life when an army of sword-wielding ducks waddle past speaking English and filling the town with laughter. Okay, it is a bit of fun i suppose. It sounds like the old kind of \"Please mister Gandalf don\'t turn me into anythin\'...unnatural *gulps*\". Having people pleaing to powerful wizards won\'t beg not to be blown up, only beg not to be turned into an English polititian. Now that WOULD be funny ;)
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Or perhaps a spell that changed their gender so you could turn an army into purse wielding, hose wearing, warriors? I would enjoy walking from town to town like using my powers to entertain people for money, like a gypsy or something.
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I suppose this sort of thing could be implemented into a bard type class. Another idea of humorous spells isn\'y just making bad people go around naked, but also very funny songs. A bard or minstrel or whatever could go to a kind of recording studio thing and write up some lyrics. Then the lyrics could be turned into a text macro or the like so that the busker could have a good sing-song and make passers by laugh.
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Yeah, that sounds cool. Being able to compose your own music would be really cool.
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But what happens when the \"Kewl-d00d\" gets his hands on these spells?!?! Ah... Noobs would be helpless! There\'d have (hopefully) to be some way to regulate it. Maybe you could do another \"honor system\" or make them sign some contract..
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I suppose if you had two types of classes for these spells. One being Entertainment, being light shows and self transmogrification, and the second being mischief, being nude spells, name changing, whoopi coushon spells, and so on. They could make it so your not limited on Entertainment spells, but you could only do soo many mischief spells a day. If you chose jester as a class, you could be unlimited, I guess.
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This isn\'t monthy python, and it will propably never be, unless the devs decides it would be great to let everybody run around naked in town, turning other players to cows, implant feminine orc NPCs into the game etc.
I have an idea! There\'s going to be more than one server right? Let\'s create a normal server for us role-players, and a \"monty-python\" server for the monty Python players! both parts will become happy!
I agree that there should be \"fancy moves\" and music, but \"sword-wielding ducks\"? Do you belive in that idea yourself?
Of course there should be humour in the game, but let it have some style! No stupid humour like \"naked people\", \"gigantic heads\", \"small arms\" etc. cause it isn\'t funny, It just makes the game become silly!
BTW. I still don\'t see the \"humour\" in a spell that lets the players \"run naked through town\", but I suppose you aren\'t serious...
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Yeah, when your really think about it, it doesnt seem that cool. But spells like turning a bird into an apple of vice-virsa would be as far as I\'d now want to go with the humorus spells issue. It wouldnt be cool for a bunch of poor noobs running around like duck :( . Somebody would abuse it, and everybody would be talking ducks.
What about a trick server where we can get all the uber kewl d00ds to go and then IP ban them from planeshift!
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Originally posted by explorer
Somebody would abuse it, and everybody would be talking ducks.
I fail to see the problem....
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The problem is that somebody would abuse it to the point where it gets annoying. Your turned into a duck. You become normal. Your turned into a duck. Stuff like that.
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I don\'t think there is a problem since the DEVs \"propably\" won\'t implant stupid spells that makes it possible to turn other players into chickens. Not all players have your kind of \"humour\" so it\'s very unlikely that it will happen.
You don\'t have to be a developer to realize how completely stupid this idea is X(
If you want a game with flying cows, armies of squirrels, naked people etc. why don\'t you create your own game?
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Fantasyfiend has mentioned many of these points (great idea by the way - keep it up), but I think he has a good idea with the Jester class.
I was planning on forming a Jesters guild myself (in name only). I was also thinking to recommend adding Jester hats to the wish list. And then I saw this thread...
I think that the humourous spells thing is ok if implemented with restrictions, and the idea of a bard class, and in particular the Jester class is a great one.
Jester could be a subclass of Bard. The Jester could have a high luck rating (for defence but not offence), and spells (with high chance of success), but be a below average fighter and not good at crafts. Basically a very niche group. There could also be Jester hats & clothes which could only be worn by Jesters. Additionally the Jester clothes could only be purchased in specific places and would be expensive and a great matter of pride to the class.
I think that Jesters would have to be of good or neutral alignment. If they became evil then their spells would take on a more malicious form and they would change to an evil bard & it would take something very hard for them to change back to a Jester (not just alignment - maybe their Karma could shift towards evil at 2x the rate of other classes; making it a challenge to stay part of the subclass). Even in neutral alignment their spells would be weakened.
There would have to be very few incentives for a person to become a Jester besides entertaining people (low levelling speed, etc) which would weed it down to the few who actually had intentions of role playing the class.
The extremely high level Jesters could be given the title Court Jester. And could be entertainers and possibly advisors/spies for the most powerful Guild Leaders.
The Jesters could have two types of tricks (spells):
1. Ones for combat (which would mainly be defensive/illusion type and only available at higher levels)
2. Ones purely for entertainment. To help prevent Jesters being a nuisance the entertaining tricks could only be of these types:
a.) Trick type actions. The Jester Juggles balls, walks on his/her hands (PS how sexy would a female Jester look LOL :D), does a backflip, or does a dance. These could be class specific motions like the regular \'sit on the ground\', or \'nod head\', \'act drunk\' ones\' normally used to spice up chatting, but in this case used for being a public spectacle!
b.) Self inflicted spells lasting for brief periods of time.
Eg: Jester turns himself into a pig. The pig is talking to people! - Funny AND it hasnt ruined anyone elses gameplay. The Jester is almost like a NPC in this way!
c.) Spells that affect other people (only available at high levels), but are easily removed as soon as the PC leaves the vicinity of the Jester. It wears off when they are not near the caster, and they can get on with their quest etc.
There could be some coding to make it that the more people that are within the immediate vicinity of the Jester, that their trick spell mana is heightened, so that they can perform for longer. Kind of like drawing off the positive energy of others (but not literally!). This would mean that Jesters who were actually FUNNY and could keep a crowd, would be able to do their acts for longer.
From lvl 0 character, you would have to reach a certain level before you were even able to perform tricks (spells). This would ensure that only people who wanted to be Jesters and not just rogue type bards would stay with the sub-class.
The Jester could be like the bard and have an instrument (lute etc...) for playing tunes. and when they are in a group (and within the immediate vicinity) they increase the strength of the other members but not their own. This would enable them to travel to their next town (gig) as an asset to the group, but they wouldnt really be suited to questing due to their combat weaknesses.
The very last thing is that the Jester can run fast. And is agile at avoiding flung tomatos... LOL. Being able to run fast helps to add to their mischievous (but not aggressive) character type who will live to joke another day.
Additionally there could be a Jester guild. This would keep the Jesters/Bards together to amuse themselves in times where the public did not welcome their antics. It would also encourage the forming of small groups of Jesters performing as a travelling act. Perhaps busking for money or playing for hire at inns (to attract customers) and castles.
Including the Jester subclass (read class, if the Bard class isnt implemented) would be more in keeping with the fantasy genre as well - cities were a place where the lower classes welcomed public debate and shows to keep their low spirits up.
Some people have been mentioning making PS an original game by giving it things other mmorpgs dont have. Well the Jester class is still up for grabs if you ask me.
If the devs wont consider the Jester class at all, please at least make a bard class and the Jester hats which can only be worn by bards and give them at least 1 extra spell or attribute. I think that mmorpgs are missing this character type. It would really change the feel of the large cities to see someone standing in public and entertaining a crowd of PCs with their tricks and jokes, and maybe even playing silly songs on their lute.
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there isnt such a thing as classes in this game, there is skills...
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Fireworks are must! :)
A couple of other similarly useless but cool spells would be nice...
(After most of the game is done of course)
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Fanomatic2000: No offense, but you need to stop being so boring and shallow-minded. If you can\'t see the funny side in Monty Python-esque humour, I fail to see how you think you have any sense of humour at all.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions; it is not necessary for you to keep reminding us how stupid you think it is. Especially since nobody else agrees with you. :P
I\'m all for useless spells. Not too many and not too stupid, however... just a few cleverly sarcastic/off the wall party tricks to keep us amused. They would have to be rare or restricted in some way to limit the amount being cast in the world. Perhaps a \'1 use per day\' rule or similar?
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This is quite pointless at the moment. There are so many other more important things to do, that this wouldn\'t even be put in for years. Maybe a class, like jester or summin could eventually be put in which had this stuff. But until that time comes this won\'t be put in.
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Of course not, everyone understands that. There\'s no harm in having a little fun discussing it though.
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lol, yuh. U\'r right. :)
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The musician skill is already set to be in the game anyway which is good - we will definitely get to be bards. Maybe not a jester but close... now if we could just have the hats...
MWAH HA HA HA
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Making people do backflips would be pretty cool if there was a limit on it so someone wouldn\'t be stuck running in circles naked forever, but there are other fun uses for spells. Playing hide and seek in the dungeons, you could transform into a rock et voila! No-one will ever find you.