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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Zarj Prax on July 24, 2006, 12:58:01 pm
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wonder what a Kran would look like with armor let alone clothes..as i have a Kran. but nothing shows on him... wonder wonder wonder..................................
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Basically the art department couldn't decide on how to design Kran armor before the release... ;)
Everyone will have the ability to put on what they want, it's just that a few restrictions will apply in how useful some things are. Krans won't see any real benifit from light armor, seeing as they're hardy enough as-is. Klyros can't armor their wings, so they have a bit of a blind spot to worry about.
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I'm pretty sure that designing leather armor for a Kran would be committing intellectual suicide. There is no reason for things made of stone to cover themselves with leather hides. It's not even proper decoration. Now chainmail, yes. But leather is just too weird of a concept.
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Yeah, but it's pretty much an idiocy at the discretion of the player. Useless, but looks pretty. Primary reason to have it is just for consistiency, as all the races want to have a full set of everything available. If a Kran can equip it, it should show. We just need to figure out how. ;)
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Slavedrivers, all of you :P
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/me cracks the whip
Make texures!!1 :P
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I think I remember reading Klyros are infact unable to wear heavy armour. :\ or will that be ignored now? doesn;t matter as im an enki anyway, just asking :)
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As already implied, lots of these things just haven't been ironed out yet. Things might change in the future.
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Heavy armor is Plate Mail, medium is Chain Mail, and light is Leather. Klyros can wear leather and chain.
Also:
<Bakuun> Have we decided for sure if Kran will have leather armor or not?
<Talad> I think we can skip it
<Talad> sounds a bit pointless
Hah!
Less to do for Kary :P
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Problem is they can still equip it... We either have it artificially not equipable (there's no reason they shouldn't be able to, even if it's useless) or have it not show, which is dumb.
Edited to add:
Yay! The split button works. :P
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We either have it artificially not equipable (there's no reason they shouldn't be able to, even if it's useless) or have it not show, which is dumb.
They shouldn't be able to if no one even makes Kran leather armor. I'm sure we can make it not show up in the merchant window if they can't equip it, and then show a system message if they try to put on some leather armor piece given from another character.
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surely to krans leather armour, is simply just leather clothes.
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Why would a being made of rock cover itself with leather? Moreover, what makes you think that Kran have a concept of "clothes" that do not offer any protection? ;P
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We either have it artificially not equipable (there's no reason they shouldn't be able to, even if it's useless) or have it not show, which is dumb.
They shouldn't be able to if no one even makes Kran leather armor. I'm sure we can make it not show up in the merchant window if they can't equip it, and then show a system message if they try to put on some leather armor piece given from another character.
Ah, good point. Of course, this all requires a more detailed armor tailoring system, with race/gender specific customizations. With that, then yes, I guess this could be done. Until then, it's annoying.
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Why would a being made of rock cover itself with leather? Moreover, what makes you think that Kran have a concept of "clothes" that do not offer any protection? ;P
well krans are not that bright so perhaps they want to mimic more clever beings ;). Then perhaps there are some krans who like the look of it, and wear it for the look. :P
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STOP THE MADNESS!!
As long as we Kran get the benefit of the armor ([+defense] or [+mods] in whatever fashion you devise into the future), count this thread as my vote :thumbup: for never, EVER covering up the sexiest and best built of all the races!
BEING A KRAN ROCKS! (pun intended!)
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The point is that Krans already have a natural armor, and putting leather on them gives no apreaciable bonus.
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That is true, but I suppose its a question of setting, do krans care for clothes (they have no shame after all) if they do, to what extent, etc. But if the setting dictates that some do wear clothes then there is nothing wrong with kran wearing the leather simply for the look.
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Kran don't wear clothes. As proven by:
(http://www.planeshift.it/pix/races/kran.gif)
This doesn't rule out small decorative elements, since the model at the moment has 'bracelets'. But fully-body-covering-non-protective materials don't serve any purpose. Kran aren't a race artistic enough to cover themselves completely with pretty shinies or similar :)
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Right, that was my point. Karyuu's point was that no armor smith would bother to put the effort into making them if they're not really going to be used. In other words, Karyuu isn't going to bother to put the effort into making them if they're not really going to be used. :)
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The point is that Krans already have a natural armor, and putting leather on them gives no apreaciable bonus.
I understand and, to repudiate the previous comments about Kran intelligence, I WOULD want to be able to take advantage of a [+mod] by EQUIPPING the armor in question (developed yet or not) and I, for one (and one alone), do not want the armor to SHOW even if I equip it! More than 2 cents and i give change in trias...or bread!
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Kran don't wear clothes.
It would seem silly if they did. After all they are asexual and have nothing to cover up. Not to mention they are made of rocks.
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Kran don't wear clothes.
It would seem silly if they did. After all they are asexual and have nothing to cover up. Not to mention they are made of rocks.
I dont think krans are even asexual :s more like minsexual.
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While we're on the subject... um... how in the hell do they reproduce? o.O
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While we're on the subject... um... how in the hell do they reproduce? o.O
They bump boulders and produce Pebbles :D
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This so does not belong in the Wishlist :P
Check this Kran reproduction thread (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=11371.0).
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well the rules say they are born underground :-\ (so some kind of "pool" of constant existing material)
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Don't worry, could be worse you could be discombobulated. :)
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ON TOPIC: This may or may not belong on the Wish List as I, as a Kran, do not want the concept or practice of 'armor-to-show-when-and-if-equipped' to be developed and others may. Ask the Kran!
OFF TOPIC: The JEALOUSY shown by the other races of the Kran in this thread is amazing! I argue three points, and will until the day I die (which as a created being - may never come):
- INTELLIGENCE - You will never, EVER see a kran licking his own hind-end like one of those MENKI
- SEXUALITY - I did read the Kran Reproduction Thread and it is full of guesses, but no facts. It is clearly spelled out in the Yliakum History that Kran are created creatures (Talad's own handiwork) and reproduce by magic - alll else is RP. Just ask the Ymmwn and Fenki (heh heh)
- COMPOSITION - it has been said that Kran are 'made of rocks'...I submit to you that are we not all made of minerals, really? Kran just have more of it that others...hence, the jealousy
Having sufficiently stirred the pot and fanned the flames, exit our hero...stage right...
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Why would a being made of rock cover itself with leather? Moreover, what makes you think that Kran have a concept of "clothes" that do not offer any protection? ;P
I think I'm qualified to answer this. (in otherwords, crazy)
Take a valuable gem, like a diamond. What would you store it in? Well, a briefcase handcuffed to a guard. But assuming you just found one laying around, you would wrap it in something soft to prevent it from being scratched. A rock might be pretty hard to damage, but when they are, those scratches are annoying. I bet the kran feel the same way :P
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Diamonds can't be scratched unless you're scratching as if your life depended on it with something ridiculously scratchy :P
That aside, I'm sure Kran can not only withstand minor scratches, they can recover from them :3
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ON TOPIC: This may or may not belong on the Wish List as I, as a Kran, do not want the concept or practice of 'armor-to-show-when-and-if-equipped' to be developed and others may. Ask the Kran!
OFF TOPIC: The JEALOUSY shown by the other races of the Kran in this thread is amazing! I argue three points, and will until the day I die (which as a created being - may never come):
- INTELLIGENCE - You will never, EVER see a kran licking his own hind-end like one of those MENKI
- SEXUALITY - I did read the Kran Reproduction Thread and it is full of guesses, but no facts. It is clearly spelled out in the Yliakum History that Kran are created creatures (Talad's own handiwork) and reproduce by magic - alll else is RP. Just ask the Ymmwn and Fenki (heh heh)
- COMPOSITION - it has been said that Kran are 'made of rocks'...I submit to you that are we not all made of minerals, really? Kran just have more of it that others...hence, the jealousy
Having sufficiently stirred the pot and fanned the flames, exit our hero...stage right...
Intelligence: If you have fur, you have to take care of it.
Sexuality: I see no reason to believe Kran would have to be Asexual, even if magic is involved in reproduction.
Composition: They are silicate-based, yes. But that does not mean they have to be rock-hard. The only part of them that looks crystalline is on their foreheads, and their joints and surfaces stretch and bend like the rest of us. So, although they may be denser, and less vulnerable, yes, leather armor might be a small plus.
Observation: That the Devs have not stated answers to these questions in an official release of player's guide, or in a book found in Jayose's library, can also mean that they are still undecided as to which would be more playable, within PS.
And of course, even once they do so, they can always change their minds, later.
~Verrliit~
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if there are kran buisness guys they will probably dress in leather to look more inviting to their customers
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Ever hit a rock with a hammer? They tend to fragment and split so for me the idea of Kran wearing leather armour is entirely feasable, if only to stop some minor chippage
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Check out Gentar's armor thread
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I would add that as sentient beings they might evolve away from having no shame or vanity etc as they gain exposure to people who do. The will to conform is strong and universal. The statement that Kran might add clothing if they were in business seems reasonable to me as well. Also, as we see with the various fenki and menki method of wearing strange parts of the armor on different parts of the body to increase a given character's individuation, i think the Kran might enjoy that as well. In terms of yolki's comments about wanting to wear armor yet have it remain unseen, I think this could be implemeted as an option universally. Like wearing a robe over leather armor etc. Personally i would like to see Kran be able to dress up if they wish.
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I would add that as sentient beings they might evolve away from having no shame or vanity etc as they gain exposure to people who do. The will to conform is strong and universal. The statement that Kran might add clothing if they were in business seems reasonable to me as well. Also, as we see with the various fenki and menki method of wearing strange parts of the armor on different parts of the body to increase a given character's individuation, i think the Kran might enjoy that as well. In terms of yolki's comments about wanting to wear armor yet have it remain unseen, I think this could be implemeted as an option universally. Like wearing a robe over leather armor etc. Personally i would like to see Kran be able to dress up if they wish.
This I agree with, in example business men could show their armour, though if others wish to have the defense bonus but not show the armor itself due to the oddness they may feel wearing armour, they could have it unseen.
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I would add that as sentient beings they might evolve away from having no shame or vanity etc as they gain exposure to people who do. ...
HUH? As a sentient being, I aspire to the truth. The truth is that none of us were not created with clothing, shame, vanity, power-hunger, or many of the other character traits on display daily in Yliakum and other worlds. We can certainly claim all of these as OUR creations (please note that your humble narrator includes himself in this list of guilty parties). Perhaps all races can aspire to truth rather than conforming to a downgraded level of existance from what we were made to enjoy.
We won't even get to the word EVOLVE in this thread....
EDITED FOR TYPOS
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It's fun to theorize, but.. Kran don't wear regular clothes :) Like I said, this doesn't rule out decorative elements and trinkets. But they have no need to "imitate" other races through clothing. Kran are Kran, and they are strong in their own ways and beliefs. Thus if Kran are to be played properly, it should be remembered that 'normal' shirts and pants are incongrous with the Kran lifestyle.
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Couldn't a Kran reject his culture? Like a gangsta rapper from the suburds or something? And if he wanted to couldn't he get a tailor to sew him up some threads. Karyuu I want to play a gangtsa Kran will you be my tailor? :P
I know, the reality is if the clothing were made the people would wear it(Yolki excepted of course), and i agree with the alternative manner of decoration idea.
However strong the kran's ways a player might concieve an alternative concept for his or her Kran. Niether Yolki nor xillix can speak for all Kran :)
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I definitely understand :}
But then, what if someone wants to play an alternatively colored Enkidukai? What if someone wants an unusual skin color for a character? There are way too many cases of exceptions for the team to take them on, so we are dealing with the default at this time.
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I definitely understand :}
But then, what if someone wants to play an alternatively colored Enkidukai? What if someone wants an unusual skin color for a character? There are way too many cases of exceptions for the team to take them on, so we are dealing with the default at this time.
Which just means that players who have a strong need for individuality, have to make their own changes.
Many of us modded skins when they were PNG files, and I spent weeks working on my own.
For those who wish to mod the DDS files, Karyuu was kind enough to put links to tools, in this thread (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=24610.0). My thanks, Karyuu. - V.
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I just read this thread. Before I was under the assumption that leather armor had to be equiped to protect yourself as a Kran. But now I know this is not the case. But now I wonder wether Kran armor is the same as light armor and can therefore be trained with the light armor skill? Can someone confirm this?
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I don't know about that but I have my own question. If krans get no benefit from leather armor why do I get benefit from light armor skill and if that gets removed from krans do I get all the money and pps back I wasted on it? It is very expensive at higher levels.
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Looks like bilbous answered Jotese's question for the moment.
I don't know whether that will remain or be removed in the future (something I'll ask if it doesn't get answered within this thread soon), but giving items or PPs back is not something we do - you're here on a test server, testing :) And do remember that we have at least one more wipe coming.
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only the one? D :
somehow I doubt that, you should always wipe 3 times just to be sure : |
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Well... Considering this game isnt even in true beta yet, I'm guessing that there will be at least one wipe before everything is settled and then Hopefully a wipe when the game is "gold" so to speak, kinda hard to figure out how to put that term, because planeshift is ever expanding.
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News just in:
<Talad> natural armor of krans counts as light armor
<Talad> so if you train light armor, you train natural armor
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I don't really expect to get all that back but it might be good to have an armorless defense skill that people could train. I don't really see how any armor would be useful to a kran. Does anyone know the mohs value of Kran-skin? Has it been defined? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohs_scale_of_mineral_hardness Looking at the modified table can see that hardened steel has a value of 7-8 mohs but I don't think it is available in game. Silicone dioxide (quartz) is 7 but silicone carbide is up there at 13. Of course this is just a measure of what can scratch what with no account for any brittleness or shatterability included.
Is the typical Kran injury gouge-like or chipping and shattering? I think it likely to be the latter. Indeed this could be a use for leather armor to soften the blow as suggested by lanser.
I heard the news today (while composing this post) Does this mean that Krans should not need to have leather equipped to benefit from light armor but it isn't implimented?
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Kran already have a natural armor (that works right now), so they can just train Light Armor to increase its effectiveness - without wearing any invisible leather.
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Really? I never would have guessed. I never really tried of course. I guess I should.
Well now I have tried it and it works.
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I didn't know that :o
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This has been in the last update :] Check the news for 2006.09.14:
- Added base armor for races. Kran has now a natural armor, monsters have various natural armors based on their race.
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I am curious as to what this means for the hardness of Kran skin though. That would seem to make it a hardness somewhere between talc (2) and gold/silver(2.5) Perhaps it is equivalent to fingernail which is also 2.5. Although I suppose this is really irrelevant. Perhaps it is more the consistancy of window sealer.
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Question: Kran have a natural defense equil to leather armour yes?... Well then, would leveling up LA increase this defense?... or would it always be at a set level?
As different LA levels do provide different amounts of protection...
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Thank you so much for answering my question. I got but one more question. When I equip leathor armor it increases my defensive value eg. when I take a defensive stand against four or so clackers then with leather armor equiped I get no damage but without I get marginal damage. Is this intended since Kran should not wear leather armor?
EDIT: This seems to be no longer true, tested it again today. Or maybe my level is to high now to make a difference.