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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: bobus on August 28, 2006, 04:14:09 am
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We have existed for a while, but many are not aware that we exist. Briefly stated:
We are a council of guilds sworn to support harmony and cooperation among guilds and all citizens of Yliakum.
We offer our services to mediate differences between guilds.
We choose to enhance the roleplaying element by creating a community of guilds.
What we are not:
We are not the government of Yliakum.
We are not an authority over all guilds.
We are not an authority over non-guilded players.
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O--) We extend our invitation to each guild of Yliakum whatever your guild's direction, to join with us in providing a unique roleplaying environment within the Planeshift structure.
:thumbup: Please visit our Embassy [website] at: http://ugo.sinet.it/scoy If you happen to get lost while wandering through the Embassy, visit us at our forums: http://tricospeb.net/scoy/
:) List of current member guilds:
Survivors of Vaern
Protectors
the Defenders
Ruby Reign
The Enlightened
The Way of the Hammer
Plakkem Hverrjanor
The Dragon Council
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ooo that sounds nice :love: :flowers:
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Read through your propaganda same as before nothing has changed in 6 months, so my opinion has not changed.
Signed Janner.
OHH by the way my name is not Janner.
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Thank you for your invitation, but i am with the warriors and the scions
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Just as an explanation, this is an informal alliance of guilds, it is not required for you to break any other alliances you may have. Furthermore, it is open to all types of guilds, regardless of their alignment.
The purpose? The SCoY offers its services of mediation of conflicts to anyone who requests it. And by the way of that, if there is a conflict around you may see a one of the SCoY members asking if they can help. If so, don't be alarmed, you can always answer no and the council will not interfere in your business. :)
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Out of interest, what do you offer? In a practical sense, what do you do?
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In general, it offers the experience of older and respected players in dealing with conflicts, as well as a table for guilds to sit at and discuss problems/politics on an equal level.
To put it simple, when dealing with inter-guild relations that might result in conflicts we agree that two or more heads are better than one and discuss things over.
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Ummm ....... isn't The Protectors on the list of members Guilds of SCoY? Blah ..... I will send an email to my guild master to find out, but as far as I know ... we were and have been an active guild in sCoY.
/me shrugs her shoulders and prepares an email
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Yes, i noticed that the post was missing two guilds, the Protectors, and the Defenders. I was trying to get it edited but it hasn't happened yet.. it will soon, sorry about that. X-/
Easton
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Thanks Easton. :D Much appreciated.
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I just can't help thinking that there doesn't seem to be much purpose to this organisation. If a guild isn't capable of maturely dealing with other guilds, it's surely not going to be much helped by an intervening organisation, is it?
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I just can't help thinking that there doesn't seem to be much purpose to this organisation. If a guild isn't capable of maturely dealing with other guilds, it's surely not going to be much helped by an intervening organisation, is it?
Similar to my thoughts. But was ignored 6 moths ago when this was first brought out into the open.
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Not surprising. Considering the nature of the guild, it doesn't seem like the kind of thing that wants to be quenched by voices of reason. ;)
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Dug up old thread for your amusement.
http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=22576.0
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Hi,
Guys we are not a guild. We are more like a guild of guilds but we dont have an alliance and that old thread is out of line to bring back up. Yes Janner that thread might have good and bad ideas but this is a new post we want to leave that behind and work on this now. Janner apparently you dont like SCoY so leave us alone so we can do what we need to improve the way we do things without having you keep pulling us down. Yes it might look like we have some problems to work on but we cant work on these without active guilds in our council. Please if you like this idea please contact Ogu or Easton about joining Meeting are normally every other sunday at 19:00gmt. We were hoping to keep this thread fresh that is why we posted it other then just adding to the last one. People please just read up about SCoY before you judge us most of you guys are not reading any of the info we have provided for you to read [ogu.sinet.it/scoy (http://ugo.sinet.it/scoy)] we have lots of information out there to read so please do so before you flame us again as you were trying to do in that last thread we made. We just want to help out when things come up we dont want to rule the world like some people do.
Illori
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I can't be bothered to read thirteen pages of discussion about a topic I don't really care that much about. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the general belief of the antagonists would have been that it essentially has no point?
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I can't be bothered to read thirteen pages of discussion about a topic I don't really care that much about. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the general belief of the antagonists would have been that it essentially has no point?
In my opinion yes, the thing that stood out was there stubborn refusal to even consider changing name, and anyone how voiced against them were instantly accused of being rude or similar.
illori former guild master, i think it is very relevant all comment from that old thread as nothing has changed in your info.
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I think it's very unfair to say SCoY members were quick to jump to accusations or rude behavior. They simply lost their patient smiles after several pages of constantly defending themselves.
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But you have to admit that perhaps if that many people see something seriously wrong with your organisation, there just might be a grain of truth behind what they have to say?
What has SCoY done? Other than having a nice member list or site or something, what have they really achieved for the member guilds?
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Phinehas:(apologies) I agree with you, a long thread may be a pain to read. And i personally learned alot from that thread. I would find it generally a waste of time to read, as it was a large waste of time, and ended up being locked anyways.
Back on topic: You asked previously, what exactly do we do?
Just to add to Ralleyon's answer: We are still a young organization and we are still finding our place in Yliakum. The main point behind the SCoY is to share knowledge between the guilds who wish to join the SCoY. If we can create a group that is generally on the same page in regards to various issues throughout Yliakum, we feel it will better serve the community as a whole, or at least the guilds within the council. We also hope to create trade agreements within the council, and possibly run a few events that will not only create a good RP atmosphere, but help guilds and people who may not be in the council. Currently, we are working on internal matters that have to do with the way we, as a council, will deal with internal conflicts should they ever arise. Our next major topic will working on some sort of trade agreement(s). Really, its just an interesting group to be a part of. It may not be a huge, life-changing group, but we enjoy our work, and will not interfere with those who wish to have nothing to do with us.
I hope that further answers your question. Thanks for the inquiry.
Easton
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You mispelt my name. That can be fatal.
As for your organisation. Frankly, I don't think its existence is justified. That's what it all boils down to. When you look at it objectively, the tiny amount of actual practical help you'll be supplying doesn't balance out the amount of work you have to put into it. You can really do essentially nothing, as far as I can tell.
I mean no offense by this, since I don't really care one way or another. I'm just putting in an objective point of view.
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Objective point of views are the best. We appreciate the input.
But you don't mind if we keep doing what we like, right?
We won't be interfering with you or anyone who doesn't wish it. So i suppose its no harm to you, or anyone else.
Easton
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Nope, I couldn't care less. I'm just pointing out that it's fairly pointless.
Just to note, IC Phinehas will despise you and anything related to you simply for the utter stupidity of your organisation. He's like that, which is why nobody likes him.
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Then we agree to disagree.
Yay! :P
Easton
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I think it's very unfair to say SCoY members were quick to jump to accusations or rude behavior. They simply lost their patient smiles after several pages of constantly defending themselves.
After only 3 posts Pip got this from Easton. Well, i have reason to believe that list may be a bit outdated. Milady, i feel you are being a slight bit rude, if you wouldn\'t mind using different words maybe.. Anyways, our member guilds are:
Want me to give more examples ? or have I made my point.
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Allow me to warn you, however, that if Phinehas ever comes across SCoY in-game or in RP, he will not hesitate to pour out a scalding critique of the foolishness of your undertaking.
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Janner: You haven't, but I don't wish for this thread to become the same mindless back-and-forth exchange that happened in the last due to your "criticism". Calling someone "a slight bit rude" in the curteous way Easton did cannot be seen as "instantly accused of being rude or similar." Don't exaggerate.
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I got over my point very well in the mindless back and forth as you put it, he is and was no good at diplomacy, even he sow that in the end.
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My last post in this thread, unless something drastic happens:
Janner, I think Karyuu's right, and you have to be careful about getting caught up in your own point of view, even if you're right, you should still remain objective.
Easton: Although I do agree to disagree, I still suggest you seriously think about what I've said. Not just in the "Yeah, he thinks it's nonsense" way, but seriously consider what I've said about it being pointless. I strongly advise you to consider either adapting your concept of the goals and role of SCoY, or perhaps even considering dumping it altogether. Ask Karyuu, I don't know whether or not she agrees with me, but she is objective enough to admit that rarely is anything I say not premeditated. I usually have a point, and it's usually worth seriously considering.
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Similar to my thoughts. But was ignored 6 moths ago when this was first brought out into the open.
You were not ignored and that thread six months ago proves it. You made your points there and *points down*
Read through your propaganda same as before nothing has changed in 6 months, so my opinion has not changed.
Signed Janner.
OHH by the way my name is not Janner.
you acknowledge that you have already made your points. PLease don't start in on this thread too. We know you don't agree. That isn't going to stop us. Take an example from Easton and Phinehas. They argree to disagree. Then there will be no useless fighting.
@everyone: Give sCoY a chance before bashing it and knocking the members down. None of you have even seen it in action and can only make assumtions as to how it will play out in game (I disclude the Octach roleplay as sCoY was not ready, so please don't go off about that). If it does work out then it is only good for the players of the game who wish to join it. If you don't agree or don't want to participate then Easton has already said it will not interfere with you. So there really is nothing to complain about. If you have critisim about it then post it and we will consider it. If it is helpful, then it will help us better sCoY.
Allow me to warn you, however, that if Phinehas ever comes across SCoY in-game or in RP, he will not hesitate to pour out a scalding critique of the foolishness of your undertaking.
:) That is fine if it is in character and stays that way. With our last attempts with sCoY, many lost sight of that and mixed the two. But also know when it is too much. If you are doing this to the point that it isn't fun for anyone in character but you, then please take a break from the scalding critique as you put it. We are here to have fun.
Also, I don't think it is a waste of time. Trading is a very good idea, and who knows what else sCoY might create. Events are badly needed and if these people of sCoY can create them then I do not see that as a waste of time. It will help the roleplay in planeshift which I can't see as a bad thing.
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OK give say another six months ? :whistling:
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Many plots take place between a player and their RP buddies. These are mainly player-player relationships and often times, the characters involved are often from different guilds. I have heard comments like "I wish my guild could get more involved in this" many times in these player-player plots, so establishing IG Guild-Guild relationships would make that possible AND that means more people having fun. Anyone against that?
IC, it is only natural that guilds would be in contact with each other, either in support against a common foe or threat or to help each other grow and reach their objectives.
Finally, sharing knowledge between guilds (objectives, history, organization, etc.) can help come up with improvements for them all, and I don't mean molding them to a pattern but taking good ideas into account. I don't see this as senseless or a waste of time.
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Argh! Can't help it. What I'm saying here isn't that your ideas are bad ideas, I'm saying they're unrealistic. What you want to do, and what will realistically happen don't match. Again, what have you already practically done?
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OK give say another six months ? :whistling:
Janner please I am asking you nicely to not start this all up again. As I said in my last post. We heard you and we have read your text concerning sCoY, you were not ignored. Don't start the fights again, we really don't need them.
Phinehas, sCoY is just in it's baby stages, as Easton, I and others have mentioned. So we cannot claimed to have done anything yet. They are only now announcing it. Give it some time to develop please. You cannot make something this big over night, but I assure you there are alot of players working on this and have put alot of time and effort into it especially Easton. There are also many that support it. We have already named the benifits that sCoY could hold thust far and they are not unrealistic in my eyes. If you don't agree that they are beneficial then we understand that and will accept your opinion. Doesn't mean we won't try sCoY to see how well it will work. :)
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I am actually for what youre trying to do here.. But its going to be tough. Use the constructive criticism that you get to make what you have better. Come up with concrete goals.. if your goals are good and not extremely broad you will have an easier time convincing people that they should join. I tried to do the same thing some time ago. It was semi successful and it was a lot of work. Your always going to have people who dont want these massive alliances for whatever reason.. you just have to keep making it better, add in some goals and come up with a true purpose that people can relate too.
Good luck
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I said another 6 month, take a year if you wont i don't care, if indeed you did take note of my concerns, WHY has nothing changed. OR others concerns. and lets not pretend this is in it's "sCoY is just in it's baby stages "before the last thread you were going for a few months.
Frankly thats it, have a good try and good luck.
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Dunno what all the replies say, I'm lazy. But just throwing this out, if I ever start Mitaki again, would I be invited here? I know I was recommended to join it a long time ago, but I ended my early Mitaki stories a while ago and just stopped playing with him. But I still don't feel like going ingame, I'm just wondering.
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We have yet to work out a specific plan for getting individuals to be members of the SCoY. But we have several ideas in the works. One being a sort of SCoY Affiliate Group. But anything else i can't say because we haven't worked it out yet. But that is one of the upcoming projects of ours. Should be taking it on in about a month or so.. But yes.. all guilds are invited, and eventually, we would like to invite all people, guildless or not, but we simply haven't made that much progress yet.
Easton
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Everyone is welcome in the SCoY. Here is a post I made that describes how the SCoY works for my guild (this post was made to clarify some confusion about the SCoY being an alliance):
"It's not really an alliance. We are not all allied, nor do we have to be allies or even friends. We are a group of guilds that have agreed, for the sake of Peace in Yliakum, to air our problems with each other (should there be any) to a board of peers. We have also agreed to abide by the decision of the board, whatever that outcome may be. So our relationship is really the idea that peace is a good thing and that the best way to achieve peace is through a discussion of issues with peer guilds to come to acceptable resolutions. So the member guilds could be mortal enemies, but have decided to resolve the problems through consensus."
We are friendly with some of the members in SCoY, we are aquaintances with the rest. At one time, someone wanted the Dark Empire to join. I was completely for it, because it meant that through negotiation, not warfare, we could resolve our differences. Could we resolve an issue without the need for war and without the SCoY? Sure, but the commitment to the council adds another layer in between flying off the handle and doing something rash and continuing to work it out verbally. It is another way to come to a compromise.
I might also add that it also creates the opportunity for role play that can't happen otherwise. Like an "evil" guild corrupting and controlling the council. Using the "good" guilds as pawns in their plans. I'm not going to say anymore because I don't want to plant seeds.
About unguilded players: I have also submitted an idea that would allow the unguilded a voice. But, like Easton said, we haven't crossed that bridge yet. Maybe the lack of the unguilded voice has caused you some angst? Perhaps one could post a suggestion on how the unguilded could be heard?
And many of us chase unobtainable dreams. Does that mean we should not try to do the best we can in obtaining those ideals? Just throw up our hands and say, "game over man", sniff...
In pursuing those dreams we learn. We then modify what isn't working and keep what is. In the end it may not be the same as what was originally dreamed, it may even be better, but we have learned and hopefully made Yliakum a better place in the process.
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Couldn't have said it any better myself. Not in a million years. But something i wish to add..
While we do aim for peace and resolving differences through verbal communication, we understand that certain situations may end up in a war. We will soon be discussing and passing a few things regarding the Council and wars. It is very possible that in the future, if you have a conflict and you wish to bring it to the Council for whatever reason, you will be able to do so. We could potentially offer many services, such as, diplomatic mediation, or negotiating war terms, or being a "referee" in war to make sure all sides abide by the terms of war. The ideas are many and the potential is unlimited. I think all could benefit from the Council in one way or another, even if you are never an actual member.
Thanks for the great post Araye!
Easton Ghent
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A whole community of people working for Peace? One person, or a group of five people is enough imo, if all theese people work for it where will the drama be to give an exiting day in yliakum?
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Yeah, just a person and their close friends are enough for peace to exist... right... IRL that would be all beauty queens right? :lol:
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Yeah, just a person and their close friends are enough for peace to exist... right... IRL that would be all beauty queens right? :lol:
Won't know if it is... although i mean that i don't think peace should excist in yliakum, needs to be exiting, needs more evil, with all the evil that is now and even more to ruin theese evil beings for going to peace... where will the exitement be?
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While i'd love to think that soemday there could be gneral Peace, i know this is impossible. And i appreciate the compliment Peacer, but i don't think we will ever be able to resolve every single issue there ever will be. Anyways, we aren't going to solve issues that people don't allow us to solve. For example, If we hear about a major conflict between two guilds outside of the SCoY, we will send a person to go and offer the SCoY services. If they do not agree, then we will simply monitor the situation for history's sake. But we will get involved no further. If they do agree to SCoY help, then things will happen a bit differently. So, don't worry about us getting into your business or ending all fun in Yliakum, cause were here for the opposite. Let's put it this way: Some people like knocking things down, and others like to build them.
Easton Ghent
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then we will simply monitor the situation for history's sake.
This brings me to an idea! I'm thinking that the SCoY could appoint a historian. He could keep track of events deemed historical, and maintain them offline on the site. A historical record of the world as it evolves. That would be an interesting historical archive to have for sure!
Just a thought though...
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Right behind you on that idea Induane. As a matter of fact the idea was brought to the attention of the SCoY some time ago but we lack a little in game feature... an actual date, although that can be roleplayed to some extent.
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Frankly, I doubt anyone's capability to do a decent job as a general historian.
As for SCoY, I still think that if a guild I'm in wants to start a war, or make peace, we don't need anyone mediating.
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The Dermorian Lords are calling upon the SCoY for help, could we arrange a meeting please.
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Haha, you have a sense of humour indeed. :P
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Are there any enkidukais in SCoY ? :P
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*Sangwa reads the first page*
Protectors
Plakkem Hverrjanor
The Dragon Council
I'm sure those guilds have enkidukai members. I'd say the others have as well, but I couldn't be certain. I'm not sure the Protectors, which are lead by an enkidukai, would enjoy helping you out, or mediating anything for your sake.
If we add to the fact that the Dermorian Lords are slavers... Well. I think you can only be joking here.
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With so many people involved in an organisation you are bound to have at least someone who isnt going to want to mediate any particular disagreement. If their aim is to mediate and bring peace then they should put their personal views out of the equation and just do the job they are here to do.
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*Sangwa reads the first page*
Protectors
Plakkem Hverrjanor
The Dragon Council
I'm sure those guilds have enkidukai members. I'd say the others have as well, but I couldn't be certain. I'm not sure the Protectors, which are lead by an enkidukai, would enjoy helping you out, or mediating anything for your sake.
If we add to the fact that the Dermorian Lords are slavers... Well. I think you can only be joking here.
there are enkis in protectors, Kalika, zorbels are two I can mention... and the leader is a klyros :p.
in plakkem hverjanor, there are siteri and kolesa(I think that's it)
the dragon council got Esserfin...
So I don't really think you would get SCoY's help :p. but maybe their meditation xD. But as would the opposing force zomg D:
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Several members of the SCoY are actively involved at the moment. We are not acting officially as SCoY delegates since the SCoY is on a break for a few weeks for several reasons. However, we will be back and completely organized very soon. I know for a fact that myself, Einnol, Rioth and Lolitra are actively working with Vigel on a resolution for this conflict. But things are rather disorganized and it may be hard to resolve this one without a fight.
Easton
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With so many people involved in an organisation you are bound to have at least someone who isnt going to want to mediate any particular disagreement. If their aim is to mediate and bring peace then they should put their personal views out of the equation and just do the job they are here to do.
Personal?
Like you say their aim is to bring peace. Helping slavers doesn't actually brings that about, now does it?
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hey, just wondering..If SCoY is actively involved in mediation with a particular guild, are the member guilds involved in SCoY restricted from declaring war on that guild well the mediation attempt is in Progress?
could Guilds fearful of being attacked ie. the slavers buy themselves protection from the member guild's of SCoY by requesting SCoY's help?
Just Curious how this works..
Cheers
edit: Sorry Araye if this point ruins your fun ::|
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We approached SCoY for mediation on certain issues and they didn't get back to us, proving there worth in Yliakum, apparently from what I heard they had bigger issues to deal with. [probably meeting times ;D]
But like Easton said most of them can't make the meetings at the moment so maybe they're just weren't enough of them at the meeting to mediate any conflict.
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Still would like to know the answer to the question put forward, if a naughty guild is actively involved in a "mediation attempt" with the help of SCoY, does that mean member guilds of SCoY can not declare war on the naughty guild during the mediation process???
[hehe one way to neutralize some of the guilds...if you needed to, that is :whistling: ]
Three cheers for bureaucracy \\o// \\o// \\o//
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I think with the slaver issue it would be a toughie to decide, what an interesting meeting that would of been though eh?
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A toughy to decide, you say? Either you're all insane, or I'm too sane.
Slavers enslave. Enslaving goes against peace between people, mostly because they're certainly not peaceful towards their slaves and soon to be slaves. Dermorian Lords say they want to enslave "all enkidukais." That adds racism. Racism isn't peaceful. SCoY seeks peace. I actually think they'd consider solving any issue with the Dermorian Lords a very low, if not negative, priority. Because your request must surely be a jest.
Do you... get it?
And great question Anfa. I'd like to see that answered. That would certainly be useful for some guilds.
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The Dermorian Lords are calling upon the SCoY for help, could we arrange a meeting please.
I'll give you something to arrange!
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I'll give you something to arrange
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hmmm I wonder.
Does SCoY really want to give official standing to a group of slavers? Is that what SCoY stands for?
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Maybe you are looking at this from the wrong perspective, Think about the Enkindukai you could be saving...... from getting blood on their swords :P
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Listen SCoY had there chance to set some rules for us and failed, apparently they had bigger issues to deal with at there meeting, probably meeting times as i was once a SCoY member with Gharan. :whistling:
But most of SCoY weren't at the meeting so..
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I don't mean to speak for the SCoY, but we did call an emergency meeting. Many guilds were in attendance and a decision was reached. I am not the bearer of that decision so I will not present it here. Others have that task. The Enlightened have their role and are currently performing their task.
Araye Bayebes
The Enlightened
SCoY Council Member
[OOC] @Gharan - roflmao - "...meeting time..." how true a statement! Good one! See you in game.