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Title: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: cedermoon on September 12, 2006, 12:07:05 pm
The Dragon Ratters Guild is a tight unit of dragon hunters.

A new guild dedicated to hunting down dragons and their familiars.

Members are banned from all things dragon. No active association with dragon kind except in the act of killing is allowed.

Dragons are malevolent, untrustworthy, sneaky, egotistical flying rats who kill brave adventuring souls just to feed their insatiable greed.

We bow to no fictitious gods. Believing that all  peoples of Yliakum will build their own glorious future.
We never run from a fight. Peace must conquer all and if not alone then within the gauntlet of battle.
We always uphold the law. To offend another is to offend oneself.

Beware! dragons are very devious. Having been hunted by the Dragon Ratters over the years they take to disguising themselves
with very strong magic. They can appear as any creature they wish, undetectable, hidden. Only the dragon behaviours shows through.
We will hunt any creature showing dragon traits. Protecting the land from their deadly greed.

A website will be coming very soon.


Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: RayvenD on September 12, 2006, 12:32:34 pm
there are no dragons in PS so you may have difficulty with this guild...
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Anfa on September 12, 2006, 12:37:49 pm

Dragons are malevolent, untrustworthy, sneaky, egotistical flying rats who kill brave adventuring souls just to feed their insatiable greed.


Hey I like rats!! and egotistical is not necessarily a bad thing... ;D

But Rayven is right..dragons are on the same list as vampires....don't exist
 so if you lot are hunting dragons...I want whatever your drinking!!  :woot:

Ulber Ratters Guild?
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Induane on September 12, 2006, 02:27:12 pm
Cedermoon,

Greetings, and welcome to PlaneShift!  I've a few comments to hopefully help you on your way.  There are some important things to consider.  One of which is that there will never be any Dragons in PlaneShift.  Don't ask why - :D Anyways this does not preclude you from starting a dragon hunting guild.  It only means that all dragon hunting will need to be done in role play.  Also how long have you been a part of the PlaneShift community?  If you are new, while there is nothing wrong with starting a guild right away, I'd suggest that you first start by joining another guild.  Participate and see how it is run, think about what the guild you joined does well, and what you think  you could improve upon.  This will help you when you decide how to create and structure your guild.  Think if it as preparation :D

If you decide to continue to do a dragon hunting guild then good luck to you!  You will probably have a bit of difficulty but as guilds such as the Dragon Council have shown, guilds with the name "Dragon" in them can be sucessful ;) 

Take care and good luck!
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Xordan on September 12, 2006, 02:33:24 pm
Hey,

Congratulations! Your guild has fulfilled its goals! As you might or might not be aware, there are no dragons or dragon familiars in the world, so there is nothing for you to hunt! Isn't that great?! :D
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Siteri Kidachi on September 12, 2006, 03:03:14 pm
He's aware of it. It seems like they're just going to hunt imaginary dragons.

Seriously though, you can't just RP things that the developers have said aren't going to be in the game.
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Induane on September 12, 2006, 03:08:16 pm
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Seriously though, you can't just RP things that the developers have said aren't going to be in the game.

I disagree.  I think it is ok to do so long as you aren't running around screaming dragon are comming dragons are comming or otherwise interupting the RP of people who are RPing with PlaneShifts regular settings. 

We've have people rping Vampires, Entire government forms which PS will never see, etc... There is nothing wrong with it as long as you aren't forcing it upon people who aren't willing participants. The game is about RP.  How you RP is up to you.
Title: Sneeky Dragons
Post by: cedermoon on September 12, 2006, 03:16:14 pm

Dragons are devilishly sneeky creatures and very magical.

They can take on many forms impervious to detection.

But their telltale behavour exposes their true self.

We will be looking for these dragon behavours and where we find them we will eradicate them.
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Siteri Kidachi on September 12, 2006, 03:22:42 pm
Well, go for it, but don't be surprised if you get shut down like the vampires did.
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Induane on September 12, 2006, 04:08:54 pm
They won't be shut down if they don't interfere with others RPing.  Vampires were running around biting people.... that was sort of annoying.. I got bit once...
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Pestilence on September 12, 2006, 04:47:41 pm
hhmmm should I feel threatened being part of the Dragon Council? ;)
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Kymizer on September 12, 2006, 05:03:35 pm
Eh hem....

Pestilence....post something in TDC forums please, they blocked it at school..

This is definitly a threat...

Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: cedermoon on September 12, 2006, 06:11:25 pm
No one need be threatened. Just because someone has the name dragon in their title dose not make them one.
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Cyl on September 12, 2006, 06:20:27 pm
Why not go right ahead and create a vampire dragonhunters guild, which uses guns and lightsabers, are led by Jesus himself and control a power coming from an intergalactical energy field called "the force"? Ohh yeah I forgot that the ancestor of the bloodline should be talad's father of course, as well as the whole guild being some kind of super Ajah haveing power over all Aes Sedai...

Really, ..., I strongly think that even at this state the PS setting is big enough for guilds to base on it, instead of randomly pulling stuff from other settings.

Edit: Yes. I do like to be an ass if it comes down to guilds. Ask Petilence about that.
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Karyuu on September 12, 2006, 07:10:44 pm
Why are you using the word 'dragon' if what you are 'hunting' isn't even remotely like a dragon? Where does that word come from, for you? Why use it? Change it to something else and you get a lot less irritated people.
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Kymizer on September 12, 2006, 07:45:13 pm
No one need be threatened. Just because someone has the name dragon in their title dose not make them one.


but i have dragon blood in me....from the ages past....that noone remembers, and we are now starting to find our past...

go to The Dragon Council guild page and read the first two posts
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Pestilence on September 12, 2006, 11:53:22 pm
hmm the use of the word dragon has been quite the issue with PS.


Really, ..., I strongly think that even at this state the PS setting is big enough for guilds to base on it, instead of randomly pulling stuff from other settings.

Edit: Yes. I do like to be an ass if it comes down to guilds. Ask Petilence about that.

Problem is ofcourse that there ISN'T enough known about PS civilization to really make a guild based on the setting. The setting only tells you very vague what the world looks like and that there are two gods who are having a disagreement but you don't know how they represent themselves to the mere mortals and a short mention of some areas outside Yliakum.

Ofcourse the racedesriptions tell a little bit more, but just think of it this way.

Our world is round. There are several gods who might or might not interfere and several tribes who differ in appearance. know how to play a viking yet? Know how to play an egyptian yet? Know how to play an Aztec yet?

And yeah he can be a pain lol ;)
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Keyaz on September 13, 2006, 01:38:19 am
hhmmm should I feel threatened being part of the Dragon Council? ;)


GM's won't touch TDC  :sweatdrop:
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Pestilence on September 13, 2006, 02:19:24 am
hehe wasn't talking about the GMs ;)

After 1,5 years it would be strange to force a namechange now. You never know ofcourse but doubtfull.

Was wondering if these ratters would be hunting the Council becuase there aren't any other dragons ingame ;)

If the dragons they are hunting are more like demons I do wonder why one would chose to use Dragon, but for the GMs to decide if such a name is acceptable with such a stoy I guess.
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Karyuu on September 13, 2006, 02:31:35 am
No story has been posted so far - no explanation either beyond the guild's purpose and a short clip of the sort of 'behaviours' they are sniffing. We'd really need more information.
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: zhai on September 13, 2006, 02:36:57 am
It'd be better for everyone if they named these creatures they hunt something other than 'dragons'. Why not wild megaras? or black pterosaurs?

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Pterosaurs

The Pterosaurs are reptiles with organs adapted to flight, such as their membranous wings and long tails, which they use as a rudder. The Pterosaurs' dimensions vary from three to six meters, not including their tails, and their wingspan is directly proportionate to their bodies. From the moment they are born, Pterosaurs begin training to carry a person sitting in a saddle buckled between the animal's shoulder blades. Pterosaurs must be at least three years old and fully trained before they can actually carry a person, which makes them precious, coveted, and very expensive to keep. Only extremely wealthy people can afford these lizards, but no matter how wealthy a family is they may only legally own a single Pterosaur. The law forbids owning more than one of these animals in order to avoid dangerously crowding the limited air space.

Megaras

The second flying animal is the Megaras, which is similar to a giant bat. Scientists believe the Crystal has genetically mutated the Megaras, since they reproduce only in Yliakum. These bat-like creatures are not as docile as the Pterosaurs, but they are stronger and more efficient, making them perfect to carry heavy but not too delicate loads, such as food and building materials. As with the Pterosaurs, each mercantile society is allowed to own only one Megaras.
From: http://www.planeshift.it/setting_overview.html

They are both flying creatures we can't see IG yet and they come from the settings (you can actually pick one :lol:). Why not work with them? There could be rumors of a certain species from other levels of the stalactite that are what you describe as dragons... maybe evidence of frozen creatures somewhere ready to wake up and play Godzilla? Your idea could fit well if you just made a little compromise, which by the way, isn't that big of a deal.

Aaand... I hope you didn't go "whaaa??? stalactite??? wtf???" If so, please read the settings :whistling:.

Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Cyl on September 13, 2006, 02:22:34 pm
And yeah he can be a pain lol ;)

You are who you eat  ;)

I cannot really agree with you about the fact that the current avaible setting is not developed enough to build a guild around it, but if it would come down to me guilds would be pure trade factions, instead of idealism-driven movements, so I guess I better stfu now.
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Phinehas on September 13, 2006, 03:00:21 pm
I agree with what everyone else has said about dragons. Basically all I have to say is, if you really insist on starting a guild, try to start one that isn't directly opposing the setting.

Hi Cyl, long time no see.
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Xordan on September 13, 2006, 05:17:49 pm
It'd be better for everyone if they named these creatures they hunt something other than 'dragons'. Why not wild megaras? or black pterosaurs?

Because Dragons are c00L!!1111zomglolo1lo1l
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Cyl on September 13, 2006, 05:53:06 pm
It'd be better for everyone if they named these creatures they hunt something other than 'dragons'. Why not wild megaras? or black pterosaurs?

Because Dragons are c00L!!1111zomglolo1lo1l

y4 r1y Dr460|/|5 r 1337 |/|0 \/\/4Y n e th!|/| c0|_|1D b3 c00l3r w00tw00t!11!!!11one!
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: LARAGORN on September 13, 2006, 06:44:24 pm
Pterosaurs Are a great substitute for Dragons.
There is no set model for them right now ( as far as I can find), but there are ideas foating around.

http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=22486.msg246953#msg246953
http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=10500.msg168630#msg168630
http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=10500.msg129896#msg129896



Not one but kewl:
http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=15989.msg177935#msg177935
http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=15989.msg188715#msg188715

So with a little imagination, this would be a perfect substitute 
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Karyuu on September 13, 2006, 07:58:06 pm
Then you get a bunch of other conflicts, as Pterosaurs are a not at all unusual method of transportation (in the Scheme of Things when you look at the Big Picture). In real life, this would be comparable to a group of people trying to battle/outlaw horses (in say, a kingdom where horses are only for the elite). It just sounds crazy, and there's no way my character for example would take any of it seriously.
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: LARAGORN on September 13, 2006, 10:01:33 pm
Then you get a bunch of other conflicts, as Pterosaurs are a not at all unusual method of transportation (in the Scheme of Things when you look at the Big Picture). In real life, this would be comparable to a group of people trying to battle/outlaw horses (in say, a kingdom where horses are only for the elite). It just sounds crazy, and there's no way my character for example would take any of it seriously.

Always the voice of reason :)
Dont you get tired of being right :P

Ok what about... Now dont jump on me to hard for this, but....
As Zhai mentioned a "Black Pterosaurs" ?  They could have been touched by Laanx, giving them more intelligence and an evil disposition.
They could be larger than the normal Pterosaurs, with larger teeth and a ........ you get the idea
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Karyuu on September 13, 2006, 10:39:34 pm
How about using the Carkarass? They are aggressive beasts afterall, already hunted, and will work very well :}
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Narure on September 13, 2006, 10:44:12 pm
You know the Carkarass? That mini dragon in the death realm   :-X
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: zhai on September 13, 2006, 10:49:50 pm
Then you get a bunch of other conflicts, as Pterosaurs are a not at all unusual method of transportation (in the Scheme of Things when you look at the Big Picture). In real life, this would be comparable to a group of people trying to battle/outlaw horses (in say, a kingdom where horses are only for the elite). It just sounds crazy, and there's no way my character for example would take any of it seriously.

They can hunt a very rare never seen kind that would match the description they posted first. A wild, bigger, meaner horse? They could swear they exist...
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Karyuu on September 13, 2006, 10:52:44 pm
They would still be making up properties of what is otherwise a horse :> I would recommend the Carkarass still, since wanting to destroy a monster in the woods/DR is far more believable than hunting 'wild mustangs'.
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: zhai on September 13, 2006, 11:36:11 pm
Maybe the "Giant Carkarass", then? :P The point is they could use creatures that are in the settings...
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Pestilence on September 14, 2006, 12:12:21 am
Well if we wouldn't compare it to a horse but to a dog. Wild dogs are known to exist and demondogs or hellhounds definately exist in the legends. Also there are also the not so tame wolves that are family to the dog.

And yes wolves are tottally not that agresive and are really over used by hollywood and all but you could stiill say they are hunting down the not tamed variant to our comon horsie? ;)

Maybe the storie could be that they were magically tamed and that there were also failures and that those developed very agresive and couldn't be controlled?

ahh well reaching for straws seeing that would make them more like rangers then "ratters"but still :P
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Karyuu on September 14, 2006, 12:15:57 am
That wouldn't give them anything to do right now than RP using text. It'll be ages before we see Pterosaurs in-game, while the Carkarass is already here and will only expand its territory :>
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: RayvenD on September 14, 2006, 12:19:58 am
why don't they hunt gms? that would be something worth paying to see [ic]/me buggers off to that feller jayose t'get some o' tha' ink'n paper 'n write 'imself some tickets...
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Pestilence on September 14, 2006, 01:30:39 am
hmm becuase

A. It's OOC ;)

B. GMs are very invisible so that would work much anyhow

C. As I said GMs aren't online that much and would hate to see them turn inactive becuase some newb starts harrassing them in tells that they are "all gonna die". Frustrating enough of a job as it iis ;)
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: RayvenD on September 14, 2006, 01:34:38 am
i was joking.....
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Phinehas on September 14, 2006, 04:11:17 am
Karyuu is right. End of story. Move on with your lives. ;)

I strongly suggest disbanding this guild. I mean, since it's fairly obvious that hunting dragons is out, none of the in-game monsters are really ferocious enough to warrant a whole guild dedicated to their eradication.
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Induane on September 14, 2006, 04:19:25 am
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GMs are very invisible so that would work much anyhow

Which if course is far more invisible say than just regular invisible ;)

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I strongly suggest disbanding this guild. I mean, since it's fairly obvious that hunting dragons is out, none of the in-game monsters are really ferocious enough to warrant a whole guild dedicated to their eradication.

I don't think that because hunting dragons won't work in PS's setting that they can't RP that they are hunting dragons.  That said I think without anyone else in the entire PS world participating, it would get quite dull and the guild would simply die out.  There would be nothing to really do... no reason to even level sword skills because the dragons you are hunting are not really ingame, so all you'd have to do is RP that you are a superior swordsman....It all sounds to me like they need something else to do.  A hunters guild might be interesting, but make it sort of mercenary.  You could be a guild that can be called upon to hunt down a ferocious ulbernaught, or something of the kind... a tefusang thats been let loose in hydlaa.... or lured there, etc...

No need to tell them to disband... if the idea doesn't work out the guild will disband itself through inactivity.  Really though I'd hope they would simply evolve into something more workable.
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Phinehas on September 14, 2006, 04:26:42 am
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I strongly suggest disbanding this guild. I mean, since it's fairly obvious that hunting dragons is out, none of the in-game monsters are really ferocious enough to warrant a whole guild dedicated to their eradication.

I don't think that because hunting dragons won't work in PS's setting that they can't RP that they are hunting dragons. 
You're right, they could RP that they're hunting dragons, but came to the wrong world by accident, or are still searching all the nooks and crannies "just in case".

No need to tell them to disband... if the idea doesn't work out the guild will disband itself through inactivity.
I'm just saving their time and my patience.
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Induane on September 14, 2006, 04:28:16 am
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I'm just saving their time and my patience.

Some people learn lessons best by being allowed to make mistakes.  Live and learn as they say.  Not everything can be taught with words alone.
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Phinehas on September 14, 2006, 04:33:29 am
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I'm just saving their time and my patience.

Some people learn lessons best by being allowed to make mistakes.  Live and learn as they say.  Not everything can be taught with words alone.

I prefer trial by fire. You either thrive, or die in a horribly, gruesomely unmentionable sort of way.
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Induane on September 14, 2006, 04:37:03 am
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You either thrive, or die in a horribly, gruesomely unmentionable sort of way.

Preferably at the hands of Dragons?

Anyways I think we've hijacked this thread a bit too much already.  Cedermoon I'd recommend you let this thread die.... that is if I'd quit posting... :oops:
Once you've done that you can get a fresh start, adjust your ideas according to some of the positive criticism.
Title: Re: Dragon Ratters Guild
Post by: Phinehas on September 14, 2006, 04:41:16 am
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You either thrive, or die in a horribly, gruesomely unmentionable sort of way.

Preferably at the hands of Dragons?

Anyways I think we've hijacked this thread a bit too much already.  Cedermoon I'd recommend you let this thread die.... that is if I'd quit posting... :oops:
Once you've done that you can get a fresh start, adjust your ideas according to some of the positive criticism.
Hold on, "positive criticism"? What's that?

I just want to state right now that I have no qualms whatsoever about spamming other guilds' threads. At least what we're saying is vaguely interesting and amusing, better than the original purpose of this guild.

On a side note to Karyuu: I warned you how it would be.