PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: TestLab on September 13, 2006, 12:41:28 pm
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Got one of these a few days ago and it only has a /3.5 slash. Is that right ? Did I get a dodgy one ?
Been told it might be 13.5 but the system does not do over /10 yet. That the case ? or just wishfull thinking ?
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silverweave battle axe also sucks, while sw small battle axe on the other hand..
you will find that just because a ** XX dagger of YY is somehow special, a ** XX ShortSword of YY could still be of less worth or use than a regular standard shortsword...
Best plan is to examine & equip-test each special weapon if not 100% sure... Many a special weapon has been sold to npcs simlpy because "the blanketyblank short sword & broadsword were nothing special, so no need to check the dagger of same sort... doot dee doot dee doo..."
Hope this was helpful
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Got one of these a few days ago and it only has a /3.5 slash. Is that right ? Did I get a dodgy one ?
Been told it might be 13.5 but the system does not do over /10 yet. That the case ? or just wishfull thinking ?
So were you the one who was spreading false lies?
A guy by the name of Frak was going around falsely swidling money from people by saying these such weapons will become /13's and higher after the next update.
Are you frak or not?
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Edit:
I'm very sorry :( Testlab, i thought you were Frak, later on i found out RayvenD was frak.
Thank you for bringing up this point, i was going to make a thread about it anyway. :)
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Weapon stats appear to be stored on the server database, in each individual weapon itself.
So anything that you still have after an update, tends to keep it's original stats, unchanged.
I have had two weapons of exactly the same name, have wildly different stats, because they were found before and after an update.
~Verrliit~
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The super-high silverweaves are a bug, and the axes and claymores and whatnot that have the more average slash numbers are supposed to be the default.
No weapon will ever be over /10, and /10 itself is supposed to be stupendously more rare.
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What about quality? Is 50/50 always going to be the rule? Will we have 1000/1000?
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super high silverweaves? A dagger silverweave is /7.5 and yes it's the highest but a iron dagger for example is /6. Same with iron shorts and silverweave shorts. There isn't that big a difference exept that the silverweave ofcourse simply is the best and people will pay a lot for the best and a lot less for almost the best. ;)
And are stats like that bugged? Wouldn't it kinda beat the point of having so many different weapon "additions" and then make the difference between a normal and the best so small it hardly matters?
Is the intended max /3 for dagger then for example, with the irons and silverweaves being bugs? In my opinion the weapons should be more balanced and more spread with advantages and such, but think that as a max it seems just right compared to what the normal stats are.
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I agree, that is why i find it inconsistent that a claymore silverweave or a battle axe would be so low...
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oh, how you will tremble at my Vorpal Wigglyfeeler
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I agree, that is why i find it inconsistent that a claymore silverweave or a battle axe would be so low...
Yea frak, i know you find it inconsistant.
But lieing about these weapons is another thing, and that's what you did.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The logs
(01:36:01) Frak tells you: best I have is sw ba 3
(01:36:17) You tell frak: only /3?
(01:36:48) Frak tells you: until the update, then it will be a 13, there is a bug for weapons over /10
(01:38:28) You tell frak: what? i don't understand you
(01:41:19) Frak tells you: ther eis a bug at the moment where any weapon with a slash higher than /10 loses 10 points so a /13 is a 3 and a /12.5 is a /2.5 it is being fixed in the update which is coming soon
(01:42:04) You tell frak: how do i know your weapon was a /13 ?
(01:42:15) You tell frak: i've never heard of it, and i'd think i was being cheated
(01:42:39) Frak tells you: you don't but if a silverweave shortsword is a /10 do you really think a silverweave battle axe would be a 3?
(01:43:16) You tell frak: Yes
(01:43:28) You tell frak: i know of a Silverweave BS that's a slash 3
(01:43:59) You tell frak: i've never heard of this bug and i play this game quite regularly, and i still feel i'm being cheated
(01:44:06) Frak tells you: then you're a fool, a battle axe is a stronger weapon. The broadsword has the same bug, I contacted the devs and they (karyuu and vengeance) both assured me it is a bug and will be fixed
(01:44:27) Frak tells you: that's fine, i'll happily keep my axe
(01:44:36) You tell frak: I'm not stupid, i've seen each of those weapons you've described, They will never be higher than /3
(01:44:55) You tell frak: And i hope you don't pull this stunt with poor new players who get abused this way
(01:45:11) You tell frak: i could report you for just saying all this rubbish
(01:45:30) Frak tells you: report me, that is what i have been told so i have no fear
(01:46:44) Frak tells you: in fact it was xordan not vengeance, just so the facts are straight when you report me
(01:46:49) You tell frak: I'd suggest keeping that whole bug thing to yourself, if i ever hear you sold one to a poor newbie player, i'll report you and personally kill you, i don't like having new players being abused
(01:47:06) You tell frak: I hate new player abuse, and this sounds like it
(01:48:02) Frak tells you: kill me? fool i don't have to let you even attack me. and report me now, i have no fear to be honest as i have the private messages on the forum from the devs i mentione dto back up my story
(01:48:18) Frak tells you: so in short, do it ,i am not scared of your threats
(01:48:49) You tell frak: You know what, this arguments over, i can't prove you're wrong, but i'll investigate for myself, and when i have enough evidence, then i'll see you again
(01:49:43) Frak tells you: i can't wait :)
(01:50:03) You tell frak: If by some mistchance i was wrong, you'll recieve a full apology, but i highly doubt that will happen
(01:50:41) Frak tells you: do you want me to forward yuo the messages from the forum, or perhaps take a screenshot of my browser with the messages? all can be arranged
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By the way, i reported him and sent a Gm petition.
As you can see, this was a CON, this was clearly contrived, and he used this stunt to Swindle new players out of their money.
He is currently being dealt with by the GM team.
I hope no one else has fallen for this scam.
~~Datruth
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Unfortunately I tried explaining this in personal messages but Datruth won't try and understand. I informed the team of inconsistencies and was told the bug would be fixed, I misinterpreted what they meant by that. I'll admit my mistake. And as for being dealt with, i have heard nothing from the gm's and have not had any reprocussions, so I assume it is a very small if insignificant problem, if i feel the reprocussions fine, I have no problem with that. such a shame some people get so heated about small issues on computer games...... :thumbup:
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hehe even if those silverweaves would be tweaked as he mentioned I would still not buy them with those awfull speeds ;)
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A lot of weapons are bugged I'm afraid. Hopefully we'll get them sorted out soon. No weapon should be 10 (or higher) right now I think. Maybe later on (different damages adding up over 10) but not a base slash.
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(01:48:02) Frak tells you: kill me? fool i don't have to let you even attack me. and report me now, i have no fear to be honest as i have the private messages on the forum from the devs i mentione dto back up my story
(01:50:41) Frak tells you: do you want me to forward yuo the messages from the forum, or perhaps take a screenshot of my browser with the messages? all can be arranged
I'm just curious Frak, where is your evidence that you claimed to have?
I mean i'm a fool right lol ;D, now's your chance to gain a little dignity.
such a shame some people get so heated about small issues on computer games...... :thumbup:
Don't try and understate this, Lieing and Cheating, are still Lieing and Cheating, Whether you are in the real world or not.
Tricking new players into believing your lies is just wrong, whether you are playing a game or in real life.
A con is still a Con, and it's not a small issue, i'm sure those who have believed your lies will agree with me and will want justice.
~~Datruth
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hhmm then I feel the silverweaves should be brought down a little as if 10 is the limit it's obvious that the only weapon who should have it would be the best Claymore.
Would love to see the silverweave stay on top though as I find it a lot more original a name then Iron,Dark,Fire,Icy and such. Rather overdone those ädditions"in other games were Silverweave sounds a tad more mysterious and original, but that's just my opinion ;)
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Frak/RayvenD misunderstood - no harm done. He wasn't lying with malicious intent or on purpose, so leave it be.
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hmmm, I'VE lost dignity? ::) It amsuses me that you think your childish rant has in any way affected my dignity. But it's ok, I'm sure where you are from an immature person getting worked up over small issues on insignificant things damages your self-worth and your worth in the eyes of others immensely? Cool ma, I hope that level of intellectual prowess works for you, personally I prefer to be rational about things, especially things which mean very little to me in the grand scheme of things. But then...I have a life beyond Planeshift. I'm really glad for you that I have given you something to give your life even more significant meaning in an unfinished fantasy realm, in fact it pleasures me dearly to know that I have brought so much pleasure to your life :) Hey I know! Why not put in the wish list that you deserve a medal for being so devoted to the cause of planeshift, i'm sure you deserve it! Hey! I'll even give you a good reference! And now I think you truly deserve a round of applause for your ablilty to 'take away my dignity.' Isn't he a clever little boy? yes he is... yes he is... \\o//
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hmmm, I'VE lost dignity? ::) It amsuses me that you think your childish rant has in any way affected my dignity. But it's ok, I'm sure where you are from an immature person getting worked up over small issues on insignificant things damages your self-worth and your worth in the eyes of others immensely? Cool ma, I hope that level of intellectual prowess works for you, personally I prefer to be rational about things, especially things which mean very little to me in the grand scheme of things. But then...I have a life beyond Planeshift. I'm really glad for you that I have given you something to give your life even more significant meaning in an unfinished fantasy realm, in fact it pleasures me dearly to know that I have brought so much pleasure to your life :) Hey I know! Why not put in the wish list that you deserve a medal for being so devoted to the cause of planeshift, i'm sure you deserve it! Hey! I'll even give you a good reference! And now I think you truly deserve a round of applause for your ablilty to 'take away my dignity.' Isn't he a clever little boy? yes he is... yes he is... \\o//
Frak/RayvenD misunderstood - no harm done. He wasn't lying with malicious intent or on purpose, so leave it be.
No one has taken away your dignity but yourself.
And i'll let your comments slide because of Karyuu.
Be thankfull i didn't reply. :thumbdown:
~~Datruth
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Np, please do, it gives me something to read whilst i'm waiting for the update :woot:
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Np, please do, it gives me something to read whilst i'm waiting for the update :woot:
I'd rather not flame on the Boards and i respect karyuu's wishes.
But please, feel free to reply to any of the previous posts i've made.
I'm still waiting for this proof of yours.... can i have it as a screenshot?
Can you post it here?
I mean they do exhist right?
Or was that a lie too?
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Please take it to PMs.
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hmmm, I'VE lost dignity? ::) It amsuses me that you think your childish rant has in any way affected my dignity. But it's ok, I'm sure where you are from an immature person getting worked up over small issues on insignifi...
(Cut because my reply is extremely short, and a huge quote with an insignificant reply just looks silly)
Okay. ROFL. Reading things like that makes my day, it really does. Thanks.
On the topic of over 10 damage, although I'm a little late as it's already been cleared up, I would find it extremely hard to believe that the system would have a bug that causes weapons with damage higher than 10 to not display the correct damage number, as back when special weapons first came out, >10 damage was extremely common (In fact, I had a pair of 54 slash broadswords).
I vaguely remember all of those items being wiped because they were just too powerful, although I wasn't really active at the time, and a limit of 10 damage being put on all weapons, but anyway, I imagine that the code behind all of this hasn't changed much, just the limit on how high damage can go (like I said, 10).. So if weapons with damage HIGHER than 10 DID exist, there probably wouldn't be a bug like that, as it would be using pretty much the same system as before, just with a lower limit.
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Yeah that was the reason given but after resent changes you can hit even harder then you could back then with those weapons so the devs aren't very consistent with that sadly ;)
Duels are one hit things again and that is kinda sad really. Loved when it when skill of fighting instead of skill of bugusing appointed the winner ;)
Remember a war with the Twin Blades of Arete where I was fighting four of the oposing guild. I was trained more then those four but their leader was very close so that four at once I wouldn't have surfived so I ran and they followed and I hid behind one of those pilars beside the stairs and suprise attacked and manage to kill them all although their leader was a very close fight who I took last. Good thing they were definately not expecting me to do that or in those days they would have had the time to regroup. *smiles*
Aaahhh the olden days
*Puts on his grey beard and starts looking for a rockingchair*
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Duels are one hit things again and that is kinda sad really. Loved when it when skill of fighting instead of skill of bugusing appointed the winner ;)
Now, let's try this: Look for a skilled fighter IRL and ask him to swing a sword at you while you are wearing chainmail or leather armour. If you die from the first hit... well, that prooves that a skilled fighter can kill you in one hit.
Now, look for a newbie fighter, like, for example a guy that hasn't ever seen a sword, not even in pictures. My bet is that you'll survive a bunch of hits if you know how to dodge them (meaning armour training).
And now, a word of advice: Don't try any of the aforementioned things because there is a chance (a very high one) that you won't be able to take notes and sumarise this experiment because you'll be too dead to write. Instead, just think about it ;)
I bet that the fighting system isn't yet, let's say, "tuned" and the devs will adjust it so it will seem more and more realistic.
And now, on topic: The silverweave attribute gives you a 5X slash multiplier for any item. But... and here comes the intheresting part, if the slash resulted is higher than 10, then the multiplier will be 1. Meaning the weapon will only bear a fancy name but no fancy heat treated-super shapened fancy cuting edge. That's why the LSs and claymores aren't that "sharp". And, if I was to put my 2 trias on it, they'll never get to 13 or 14 or 50 because there is a cap at 10.
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Cool, my post is becoming famous :)
Back to the topic.
How can any dagger ever have a more powerful slash than a claymore/axe ? I understand they are faster, and with skill you can stab people in heart and all that (but that's not implemented on this game anyway)
On PS you see somebody stabbing you with a dagger and giving you 300 damage, and somebody else with a heavy claymore/axe and only give you 50 ? (with same skill)
So, I'm stuck with my 3.5 SW claymore & AXE while other people have 7.5 daggers? Hmmmmmm...
I tried the other day with a sw dagger. Level 10 and /7.5 dagger and I managed to do over 100 damage. Used an axe level 38 with /3.5 axe and can't even get to the 100 (hmmmm, balance doesn't seem right here)
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Who said anithing about balance? ^_^ Following the same note, how come an iron sword can cut better than a steel one? I'm a metalic materials engineer and, trust me, whatever you do to iron, you won't be able to make a weapon out of it. Well.. the same goes for gold too but this is not the point. :D
The point is that the weappons are not balanced yet, and in the future, things will be alot different than now.
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actually, iron swords were used for years before steel. They were not very sharp and very heavy. They were almost clubs rather than swords, but, they did cause huge damage as once you finally swung them at somebody (don't think that television is even remotely accurate in how swords were used, usually it was a 2 handed affair and very clumsy) they tended to rip a body in 2 from the sheer weight of the attack.
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Mmm.. It won't really matter how skilled you are with an axe or sword, if it's too blunt to cut, you may as well be clobbering whoever it is with a mug :P A very sharp dagger will probably do more damage than a blunt sword.
Also, I always imagine the "gold" weapons to simply have hilts decorated with gold, and not actually be made from gold.
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@Syilph
Just think of it this way. In PS you almost always hit someone. Would this be true in a duel in RL if the both of you are about equally trained? Ofcourse not. If you are both new to it avoiding will probably be pretty easy and if you did hit it wouldn't do much and if you are both highly trained yes IF you hit it would do a lot of damage, but swordmanship in my book is training how to hit someone without having his sword killing you in the proces. So a fight between two skilled fighters wouldn't be over in one hit either. Perhaps over with one succesfull hit in that case but getting to the succesfull hit should be several hits that only make scratches and are more like feeling the others defence.
(On a sidenote that is why armor training is so ridiculous. Avoiding hits is part of your swordtraining not your armor training. Seeing your weapon matters a lot more in how you avoid hits in combat then what armor you are wearing. The only armortraining you do is when you need to get used to the weight so you can move around, but thats it. )
And love the smily Karyuu :D
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Yup, dodging and the phisical defense are low atm but i guess that will change sometimes. But then again, if you have 2 equaly trained chars fighting, eventually it will all come down to kuck because you'll dodge a bunch of hits but eventually, the random number generator will smack you on the head and you'll die because you were less lucky not less skilled. It is a very complex thing to create a realistic combat system. And no combat system will ever be perfect but atm, ours isn't yet let's say "calibrated". Let's see what the future might bring ;)
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If you guys saw my Gharan Limitte video, you'll obviously see the amount of skill that is needed in duels.
There are MANY swings by both players before either hits.
That's why i had the chat window up, in the systems tab, to show you how many swings it actually takes.
Most of the time people miss, and they have to swing again and again.
ALOT of Kills WERE NOT 1 HIT KILLS.
I personally remember 2 scenes that took 2 hits to win.
Another scene where a Guy hits Gharan, giving gharan 20 life, Then gharan hits back twice and beats him.
Stop saying these are Quick 1 second things.
I mean, they really arn't, they require alot of talent, there are always atleast 5 swings before someone gets a successfull hit, and sometimes 1 hit isn't enough.
Again, if you don't believe me, go watch the video, you'll see everything i stated.
Especially check out PART 2, the full duels section, where i show FULL unedited duels.
~~Datruth
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Yeah, there are ALOT of swings if both players have lvl 0 in swords. And rusty swords. And they are blind. And they wear full trained cainmail+ leather armour. There is nothing more epic than a battle between 2 newbies or between a newbie and a rat. And usually the other one dies of a heart attack. But if you have 2 good swords or weapons, and you have maxed the training for that particular weapon, I can guarantee that you'll kill in one hit.
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Yeah, there are ALOT of swings if both players have lvl 0 in swords. And rusty swords. And they are blind. And they wear full trained cainmail+ leather armour. There is nothing more epic than a battle between 2 newbies or between a newbie and a rat. And usually the other one dies of a heart attack.
It counts to all who has similiar skills. Not only newbies.
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Yeah, there are ALOT of swings if both players have lvl 0 in swords. And rusty swords. And they are blind. And they wear full trained cainmail+ leather armour. There is nothing more epic than a battle between 2 newbies or between a newbie and a rat. And usually the other one dies of a heart attack. But if you have 2 good swords or weapons, and you have maxed the training for that particular weapon, I can guarantee that you'll kill in one hit.
Syiliph, i'm sorry to say this, but you are completely wrong.
You are basically saying this happens 100% of the time, I have video that proves you wrong.
Just do a few duels and you'll figure out that isn't true.
Sometimes the first hit is blocked and the second one goes through, the second one might not kill them.
Like i said, check out the video.
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Yeah, there are ALOT of swings if both players have lvl 0 in swords. And rusty swords. And they are blind. And they wear full trained cainmail+ leather armour. There is nothing more epic than a battle between 2 newbies or between a newbie and a rat. And usually the other one dies of a heart attack.
Haha. Yes I agree. New players vs. rats are very epic battles. :P
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Yeah, there are ALOT of swings if both players have lvl 0 in swords. And rusty swords. And they are blind. And they wear full trained cainmail+ leather armour. There is nothing more epic than a battle between 2 newbies or between a newbie and a rat. And usually the other one dies of a heart attack.
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