PlaneShift
Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: Kymizer on September 15, 2006, 03:14:00 am
-
I learned where picnic derived from...
well...turns out that it goes back into the lynching of african americans....
a white town would bring goodies to eat and snacks, and camp out at a local park.
they would then build a bon fire...and then pick a black person to lynch and kill
its so amazing what you learn in english class.....
-
...appetizing?
::| not so much
-
nope..not at all...when i look back at it...i'm just wondering what the hell they were thinking...
-
It is amazing to see the extent to which the ethics and morals of whole communities can be influenced according to the dominant social norms and religions of the period. And also very sad. That these people truely believed what they were doing was Right and Good is unimaginable in the modern world today. People now would see such acts as "evil", but back then they would have believed they were doing the work of God.
-
wow, i really didn't know that. that's kinda harsh, and i loved picnics aswell.
-
What you really learned today is to never believe all that a teacher tells you :)
Picnic
Internet lore (and perhaps folklore prior to the internet) has the origin of this word as lynching party for blacks in the American South, originally deriving from the phrase pick an nigger. This is absolutely incorrect. The word's origins have no racial overtones whatsoever.
In actuality, the word derives from the French pique-nique, meaning the same thing as it does in English--an outing that includes food. Pique is either a reference to a leisurely style of eating (as in "pick at your food") or it's a reference to selective delicacies chosen for the outing. Nique is a nonsense syllable chosen to rhyme. The word appears in English as early as 1748 in reference to picnics in Germany. The word did not gain widespread use in Britain until c. 1800.
the above quote is from Wordorigins (http://www.wordorigins.org/)
edit to remove pretentiousness
-
Yes, I also saw that, but it is an arguement.
though it is true that they called it a pic-a-nig (sorry for the slang)
though it does come mostly from france.
its very controversial
-
It is amazing to see the extent to which the ethics and morals of whole communities can be influenced according to the dominant social norms and religions of the period. And also very sad. That these people truely believed what they were doing was Right and Good is unimaginable in the modern world today. People now would see such acts as "evil", but back then they would have believed they were doing the work of God.
This is why I believe we should first crush all existing religions and then aany religions that attempt to spawn in their places.
Religion = death, hatred, general havoc and *^%&
-
sorry, but my god IS better than your god
-
When someone feeds you something that sounds a little too good/spectacular/bizarre to be true, remember that snopes.com (http://snopes.com) is your friend. Browse around a bit; you'll be surprised by the stuff that's false.
It's amazing how much utter nonsense is being circulated by email (and, apparently, making its way into classrooms ... :o )
On this topic specifically, read http://www.snopes.com/language/offense/picnic.htm
-
This is why I believe we should first crush all existing religions and then aany religions that attempt to spawn in their places.
Religion = death, hatred, general havoc and *^%&
I coulden't agree more!
-
This is why I believe we should first crush all existing religions and then aany religions that attempt to spawn in their places.
Religion = death, hatred, general havoc and *^%&
i agree with this too..
btw Learch...i'm saving this site so i can shove it in my english teachers face..
-
This is why I believe we should first crush all existing religions and then aany religions that attempt to spawn in their places.
Religion = death, hatred, general havoc and *^%&
so an athiest dictatorship ?
Believe what I want you to believe or I will crush you ?
sounds like you have a little hatred yourself.
Peace will never be spread with an iron fist.
-
but with a hand full of flowers....
-
Touche.
What If I hand the flowers out with an iron fist?
-
Here is another link debunking this ridiculous myth:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blpicnic.htm
Why are people always so ready to believe the worst about other people? So ready, in fact, that they won't even do a Google search before spewing out hateful and made-up crap to rooms full of students?
- Venge
-
This is why I believe we should first crush all existing religions and then aany religions that attempt to spawn in their places.
Religion = death, hatred, general havoc and *^%&
so an athiest dictatorship ?
Believe what I want you to believe or I will crush you ?
sounds like you have a little hatred yourself.
Peace will never be spread with an iron fist.
Interesting, Laragorn.
I'd assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that the original statement was an attempt at intelligent irony. Sadly, perhaps I was wrong. :'(
FWIW in this specific context, religions had little to do with black slavery in America. In fact, Quakers, Congregationalists, and Welseyans, Methodists and Baptists all played huge roles in the Underground Railway... To say nothing of the formal official opposition of slavery by the Baptists and Presbyterians.
IMHO, black slavery in America had everything to do with economics; nothing to do with religion.
But then again, it's certainly stylish/safe to take broad pot-shots at religion, isn't it.
;)
-
Interesting, Laragorn.
I'd assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that the original statement was an attempt at intelligent irony. Sadly, perhaps I was wrong. :'(
FWIW in this specific context, religions had little to do with black slavery in America. In fact, Quakers, Congregationalists, and Welseyans, Methodists and Baptists all played huge roles in the Underground Railway... To say nothing of the formal official opposition of slavery by the Baptists and Presbyterians.
IMHO, black slavery in America had everything to do with economics; nothing to do with religion.
But then again, it's certainly stylish/safe to take broad pot-shots at religion, isn't it.
;)
You may be right in your assumption, but looking at the responding posts, I believe you are not.
It was not I, that brought religion it this discussion. I was only addressing a comment that was brining on many followers.
What you have posted Learch, is basicly the same things i have read and been told about.
Believe me , I am the last person who would bring religion into a forum discussion.
-
yup.
Totally agree with you, Keyaz.
I just thought I'd try bring some perspective and relevance back to a thread that somehow jumped from slavery in America, to all-inclusive religion-bashing.
My point being, religion-bashing in the context of slavery in America is the REAL irony.
:P
I'm done!
-
This is why I believe we should first crush all existing religions and then aany religions that attempt to spawn in their places.
Religion = death, hatred, general havoc and *^%&
I, for one, cannot agree. Religious fanatism is an issue that needs a solution, not, however, religion itself. The statement above is, in my opinion, not different from religious fanatism at all, as, as twisted as it may sound, atheism is a kind of religion as well. People tend to see only the dark side of the coin. Aren't there many charitable initiatives stemming from various religions? Also, religion has had, and still has it's various reasons to exists. It is and was there to comfort people looking for answers they cannot find.
-
Affirmation of faith in the existence of no-god takes the same leap and belief that affirmation of faith in the existence of one. Either you believe that something predates the universe and "Just always has been there," or you believe that the universe itself has "just always been there."
Agnosticism is the true lack-of-faith option.
- Venge
-
what if you dont beleive in either?
im an agnostic...but i do have faith, not a religious faith that there is a mono or poly god, but that there is a force that lives in each of us, in everything that is her or there
i dont claim that the universe, and the other ones beyond that, were necessarily "created" or that they have jsut always "been there"
why couldnt life create life?
i dunnos...im no theologian
edit: never mind ignore what i said..it prolly had no relevance ot the topic anyways