PlaneShift
Support => Forum and Website Discussions => Topic started by: Kerol on September 20, 2006, 06:30:41 pm
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It took time, effort, friends and Talad for the OK, but finally it's ready.
The PSWIKI (http://pswiki.xordan.com/index.php/Main_Page).
From now you are allowed, no called on to edit the Quickguide, the Players Guide, the FAQ and the ingame help directly in this wiki.
The goal is to improve those documents. To make the quickguide even quicker, Players Guide more thorough and better, the FAQ more complete and up to date, and finally the ingame help to include everything a player might ask while keeping it as simple as possible.
Please keep in mind that those documents are official and will be reused in the way they are being used now. That means:
- They are under the PS license, so don't copy&paste them in other contexts just like that.
- If you plan to do major changes on one doc, please discuss them beforehand, here on the forums - a seperate thread on a specific doc seems most appropriate to me; But please do so! Don't hold back your ideas!
- If you see a typo or some strange grammar, go on and correct it directly in the wiki!
- Keep in mind that those docs should be understandable by 9 to 99 year old people - KISS (keep it simple and stupid)!
There is no deadline on editing those docs, but I like to give you a timeframe. I will give those docs to Talad in about one month, for reviewal and to decide whether it was worth the hassle or not. So don't feel pushed >o)
Thanks in advance to everyone who helps in this important matter!
Edit:
Fixed link.
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awsome :D
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added a bit some time ago :)
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The idea is VERY good, congrats on that PS team!
Now, I'd have a couple of suggestions as to the wiki thingy:
It would be a very good practice to register an account and use the wiki under a specific name (user) for security and ease of administration. Believe me, I've seen ugly things happen to wiki's in the past which had little protection.
Have Preview, History and Discussion features integrated, again to improve usability.
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Hi,
I agree that we need a wiki that lists the person that edited the page a preview of the page before submiting it and it is nice to have a log in system so you dont just have anyone that comes by edit (you can easily lose a whole page this way).
Illori
[i vote for tikiwiki as it has all thses features]
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The wiki engine is not so important really. If this one already installed can be tweaked to have those above-mentioned features, then it's perfect as it is.
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kewl. i read the one on wikipedia at skool. is this the same sorta thing? im gonna read the full thing now
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To prevent thousands of threads being opened here about the Wiki, isn't if far more easier to take the discussion to the wiki itself? There should also be a list of revisions, so if someone screws up a page, you can restore it. The same thing illori says basically :lol:
I recommend MediaWiki (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki), it's the same engine that Wikipedia uses, plus it's free & opensource :)
It also looks waay better than the current wiki ;)
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I agree there needs to be some kind of security to prevent any Joe Blow from adding to the page.
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I agree there needs to be some kind of security to prevent any Joe Blow from adding to the page.
I agree. I got on and fixed some grammer and spelling and punctuation, and didn't even need to do anything to identify myself.
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I added some new things from the original PS guide, so that we have something to chew on when actually modifying things. Also did some formatting. I'll keep working on it when I figure out how to use more of its powers (this is the third wiki engine I'm working with and for the record... it's freaking me out that there's no standard).
Anyway, all of this can be improved... but we need the people in charge to tell us what can be done and what can't. If you'd like to consider changing the wiki engine I'd also go for MediaWiki. It's what stands behind Wikipedia after all.
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after the artwork contest, this is one more step in the right direction, a more open one, it feels much more like a opensource game :-)
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I completely agree. These things are the sorts of things I always though PS could be. I group of hobbiests working on an mmorpg, and a community forming around it that has the ability to help shape the community and world. I dream of such things always.
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Due to too many people poking in the same hole, it has been decided to change the wiki engine. I thank Xordan for his efforts and provide the webspace for that! :thumbup:
Now you people don't have any more excuses not to work on those files :P
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Alriiiiight!!!!!
I'll get to working on this lil' baby as soon as possible. Thanks Xordan!
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The new URL is http://pswiki.xordan.com/index.php/Main_Page.
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mmmm...very good, make a logo!!
took forever to load the first time, but it might have been my browser being stupid...
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To help with discussion on info to be added or edited the channel on irc #planeshift-wiki has been made so if you have any questions please join there and see if there is anyone willing to help with questions or editing of this wiki.
Illori
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Ah wonderful! This will be much easier to use.
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Hi,
A lot of information has been added to the pswiki in the last day or so it would be nice if a few people would look over what we have so far and let us know on irc (if possible) what they think needs to added, corrected, changed, moved, or what ever so we can try to make this the best we can. If you cant get on irc you can add your comments about pages to the discussion tab for each page.
Just remember your input will make this even better then it is so far.
Thanks,
Illori
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I like it! I just went through and spiced up the monsters page a bit (http://pswiki.xordan.com/index.php/Monsters), adding the Carkarass and Grendol beasties and going a little more in depth on the descriptions of some of the creatures. I am looking forward to trolling that and adding bits of info where I think it would help.
Are there any guidelines we should follow, like "Don't edit this" or "This needs more work" etc? Any info would be great.
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As it is changing so often it is best to ask on the irc channel #planeshift-wiki.
Thanks for the help so far,
Illori
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Nice upgrade of the Wiki! \o/
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Are there any guidelines we should follow, like "Don't edit this" or "This needs more work" etc? Any info would be great.
Yes, there is, kind of.
First, the main purpose for the wiki is to edit the given docs. That means that especially the ingame help needs to be in a format afterwards that is easy to convert back into the original one (in this case the help.xml).
By no means you should put in spoilers (quest solutions, where exactly to find mobs or specific NPCs, maps, how to craft specific items, etc).
There is a ToDo list on the wiki as well, where you can see what needs help.. and the IRC channel where you can ask :)
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In the MediaWiki engine you can do various things that you also find on Wikipedia (it's the same engine). So you can include top-screen warnings on much debated issues, and you can freeze an article that many agree on is "perfect". Discussion on pending article changes doesn't have to be on the forum, or on IRC, because every WikiMedia entry has a special discussion page.
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But Thom not all of us have time to read over all of that and waiting for replies before editing so the irc channel helps alot
Illori
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You would only have to follow the discussion for page that actually concerns you, so it's not much. The reason that IRC isn't fit for this purpose is because a)Not all people use/want to use IRC b)You would actually have to be online at the same time as the other involved users. You can also just edit a page and add your arguments for the edit in the discussion page, if people can prove your arguments are flawed, they can simply revert your changes.
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You have issues man..
If you want to discuss stuff, you can do it here, on the wiki or in IRC; it doesn't matter exactly where. Everyone's favourite way.
Now, what about just leaving that silly discussion and getting on the actual work?
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Kerol can you please edit the new URL into the initial posting? I came here to complain that the URL there isn't working. Be glad that I read it all... :P
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/me pokes Xordan
Ummm It looks broke to me
Arka
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i also cant reach it. Get some strange error message:
Error in fetchObject(): Can't find file: 'pswiki_page.MYI' (errno: 2)
Backtrace:
* GlobalFunctions.php line 602 calls wfbacktrace()
* Database.php line 596 calls wfdebugdiebacktrace()
* MessageCache.php line 246 calls databasemysql::fetchobject()
* MessageCache.php line 174 calls messagecache::loadfromdb()
* MessageCache.php line 357 calls messagecache::load()
* GlobalFunctions.php line 449 calls messagecache::get()
* GlobalFunctions.php line 408 calls wfmsggetkey()
* GlobalFunctions.php line 319 calls wfmsgreal()
* OutputPage.php line 177 calls wfmsg()
* OutputPage.php line 776 calls outputpage::setpagetitle()
* Database.php line 476 calls outputpage::databaseerror()
* Database.php line 419 calls databasemysql::reportqueryerror()
* BagOStuff.php line 390 calls databasemysql::query()
* BagOStuff.php line 281 calls mediawikibagostuff::_doquery()
* BagOStuff.php line 228 calls mediawikibagostuff::_query()
* MessageCache.php line 142 calls mediawikibagostuff::get()
* MessageCache.php line 357 calls messagecache::load()
* GlobalFunctions.php line 449 calls messagecache::get()
* GlobalFunctions.php line 408 calls wfmsggetkey()
* GlobalFunctions.php line 361 calls wfmsgreal()
* Wiki.php line 74 calls title::wfmsgforcontent()
* index.php line 106 calls mediawiki::checkinitialqueries()
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urrr, some strangeness is happening... the database is screwed for some reason. I'll try and see what's wrong now.
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/me hopes her work has not been lost :'(
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I sent my host an email and they've restored the database from a backup. I don't know how much work is lost though, if any.
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no alot of data is lost
# This page was last modified 12:46, 27 September 2006.
last major edit:
3 October 2006
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I'll check to see how old that backup was, and if they have a newer one.
Edit: Apparently it was restored from a weekly backup, so only changes from the last week are lost. The dates shown at the bottom of the page are wrong (again apparently). From browsing through the wiki, there's a large amount of data there.
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but that is not what it was like, there was language projects and much much more there. the last edit was in october!. Doesn't matter what they say, this is an old backup.
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Ok, let me see if they have something more recent... if not then we're stuck with that I'm afraid.
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I really hope they got something more recent. It would really suck, especially for all people who worked on the language project, but also the other docs. I really hope there is a later backup :-/
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Nope, it's the latest they have :/ You didn't keep any local copies of work or anything?
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Oh man! :@#\ :'(
The language section is no more! :( :'(
Since ten commandments are hardly enough to christians, I'll propose just 5 for backup's server manteinance.
The Five Commandments of Backups
1. You'll love making backups over anything else
2. The Backup is your God, and you will make a new one every day
3. You'll protect the backup in the safe
4. You will use Linux to prevent data losing
5. You will do a recovery data disaster sham every week to see the correct making of backups.
[that was a joke... don't take too seriously, I don't want to hurt anybody's feeling]
But anyway... it's a pitty lose all that work on language... I think I have to reconstruct all the enkien section
oh boy... :-\
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This time keep local copies of everything you do :) I'll try and take manual database backups every week or so.
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/me wonders if "geri" still has his local copy of the wiki
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You didn't keep any local copies of work or anything?
The language project was majorly puzzled together from different places. Arka is the one who did most, I hope she is able to redo that...
The other docs however were mostly produced directly in the wiki, so there is nothing left aside from what we have in our brains.
I feel very sorry for all who lost their work. But please, DON'T GIVE UP!
We now try to reconstruct the last state of the wiki. For that we need everyone who can recall how things were before the db screwed up!
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/me takes out a sharp knife and....
...starts sharpening a fresh batch of quill pens
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Love the concept and I love the produce!
(http://radyr.cardiff.sch.uk/~peter.jenkins/KrylosSmile.gif)
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i would like to know if you plan to add or rather if you would allow something like: list of items, npcs and so on
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i would like to know if you plan to add or rather if you would allow something like: list of items, npcs and so on
Lists of npcs items sold ect are considered spoilers and not allowed in public places.
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Lists of npcs items sold ect are considered spoilers and not allowed in public places.
sad to hear that, thought the guideline on this wouldnt be so strict
but what about the creature list then? (i realize that it doesnt contain any specific data, just general information and a basic list, but that all i wanted for items and so on, too)
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a bit of misunderstanding perhaps? I believe Nukm was asking if a list of the npcs in game would be added, or a list of items currently obtainable in game to be made. Not a list of npcs, where they are, what they sell, what they buy, etc. and so forth.
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I would consider a list of npcs acceptable if it did not have too much info that would reduce exploration.
A list of Mobs would be fine as well.
A list of items is a bit much though.
I would just want to avoid reducing the fun of discovery.
Mind you I don't make the rules I am just a noob. :innocent:
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I would think a list of mobs or a list of npcs (just a list, not where they are or anything like that) would promote more exploration, as people would read the list and go, "hmm, never saw that npc / mob before. wonder where they are. I think i'll go look for them."
or they will simply go to their guild and pull up the all inclusive knowledge base and find out exactly where the mob/ npc is and everything there is to know about that mob / npc without ever having to do anything on their own. ::)
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Well, with a list of NPCs the need of categorization (and thus adding info) is suggerated. I think a list of NPCs would be acceptable if it is only alphabetically ordered not per map etc.
A list of items that are available ingame with icons etc. and excluding quest items would be acceptable, I think, since it just lists the content of the art directory everyone has on the harddrive.
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Maybe its a bad idea, but i was thinking people could add Charcater: Info pages. Sort of Like Character:Forged Lockrunner, would talk about their history/race/class/other info, along with a picture. (Like Wikipedia's User: Pages) Well, im doing it for my character.
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Maybe its a bad idea, but i was thinking people could add Charcater: Info pages. Sort of Like Character:Forged Lockrunner, would talk about their history/race/class/other info, along with a picture. (Like Wikipedia's User: Pages) Well, im doing it for my character.
I like the idea for user pages. We could have categories like "players who play [race]" etc :)
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Very nice well set out for new players like me
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I have been looking at the wiki some today and i see there are still many pages missing and links that go no-where. If you see something here you can add to go ahead and do so, try to make links to pages that are already there and to try not to make new pages unless there is nothing already on that topic.
http://pswiki.xordan.com/index.php/Special:Wantedpages
Please remember not to add spoilers on the wiki
If we work hard maybe some day this will be the official players guide
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Pswiki has been cleaned up, no more redirected pages and empty catagories have been removed.
Please do not make a catagory for just 2 pages, use catagories for when you have like 5+ pages that are in the same type.
Also please do not make catagories for future use, just make them as you see they are ready to be filled.
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at this point I will remember the administration to your second wiki on sourceforge: http://planeshift.sourceforge.net/wiki/
it doesn't works :P (like some other things from you... :whistling: )
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at this point I will remember the administration to your second wiki on sourceforge: http://planeshift.sourceforge.net/wiki/
it doesn't works :P (like some other things from you... :whistling: )
If I remember I believe that is specifically for the source code documentation. Dang that thing is old. There was also a Doxygen site that was up back then.
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If anyone can take a few minutes away from playing the new release, the PSwiki could use a little help in being updated for the new release.
thanks,
Caarrie
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It seems to be down at the moment, but I did some work on the Wiki yesterday, expanding the Lexicon and Creatures section mainly. I also started a Society category. However, there are some critters I haven't encountered in game for which there is no info. If anyone has the in-game descriptions for those critters, or screenshots, you should add them to the wiki.
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have you checked the books ingame for info about the npcs?
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I have in fact. For instance, the in-game Clacker book provided info on the Jade Clacker, which wasn't in the Wiki yet, so I added it.
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Keep in mind that the wiki is supposed to be a player's guide, like the one you get with your PS install, not a spoiler list.
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Keep in mind that the wiki is supposed to be a player's guide, like the one you get with your PS install, not a spoiler list.
Right so all spoilers get removed from the wiki as it is an official source of information.
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I send a message on on the prospects IRC channel when I started making changes, to make sure that everyone was okay with them, and I've been trying to avoid anything related to any quests or spoilers.
If two of the three types of Clackers are currently in the Wiki, and the third is mentioned in an in-game book that doesn't require a quest to get to, I assume that shouldn't be considered spoiler material. A lot of the changes I made were cosmetic. There were typos and inconsistencies in how things were laid out and spelled in certain areas. The Creatures page inconsistently used a template for individual creatures, some of which had their own pages, and others didn't. Know they all have their own page, they all use the same template, and the main Creatures page pulls in the individual pages. Update the Clacker page, and it automatically updates what is displayed on the main Creatures page.
And some of the stuff I added, like lexicon terms, and the addition of Ochtarchs and Vigesimi pages, are stuff taken from the Player's Guide.
If someone decides that something I posted crosses a spoiler-boundary, then it will be deleted. But I have been trying to stay within the realm of general information in line with the Player's Guide.
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Keep in mind that just because you see a "creature" ingame, that does not mean it is a "creature" according to settings, glads, thugs and other such npcs should not be included in that catagory. Also telling people where to find locations like the sewers are spoilers, this includes where to find npcs.
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also last i spoke to xillix he did not want his prospects working on the wiki, but to work on their tasks to that they dont post info they should not, and use their time more wisely.
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Those creatures were there previously. Wikis keep every revision of every change. You can see what the page looked like before I touched it with two or three clicks. It will also show each specific change.
And I mentioned to Xillix the wiki edits, to which he had no problem. In the mean time, I was trying to be productive and helpful, which you seem to take offense at, at every turn.
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no i dont take offence, unless i see issue, and this amount of edits is not needed, for that matter i think a lot of the info you have added is not really needed. a basic players guide is more then enough to have on this wiki. info about each town and npc/pc is not really needed we have resources ingame to get that info.
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I'm not implying your additions are spoiler, I'm implying that PSWiki is a player's guide for an MMO and is intentionally small because it all has to be printable. Consider the instruction manual for Super Mario World; obviously it's not going to picture every creature in the game, but it must explain how to play it. I went back through the recent changes and it looks like many of them could be more suitable for Talad's tabletop RPG wiki if he ever brings that back.
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I made a html backup of the Wiki if anyone is interested : Here (http://planeshiftmmo.110mb.com/index.php/)
Not even sure if im permitted to =P
Updated at the date of 14th January 09
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From the OP
From now you are allowed, no called on to edit the Quickguide, the Players Guide, the FAQ and the ingame help directly in this wiki.
The goal is to improve those documents. To make the quickguide even quicker, Players Guide more thorough and better, the FAQ more complete and up to date, and finally the ingame help to include everything a player might ask while keeping it as simple as possible
Trying not to be picky but I dont see any mention of a printed guide nor any implication that that is what the wiki is for, in fact if thats the case then all the language info needs deleting
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since it is a wiki for planeshift kerol and the settings team as well as vengeance and the engine team had requested more info to be added so that it could be reviewed by the correct team and to make it easier to access/edit. Also those other sections are not part of the offical guide in the wiki they are seperate sub projects.