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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: LARAGORN on October 20, 2006, 09:37:31 pm
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I found this link (http://www.freedomtofascism.com/trailer/AMERICApromoV1.mov) on another forum and found it very interesting.
I would like to hear your comments.
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Don't have the time to watch this, but have heard a lot about it over the years. Apparently the amendment covering income tax was never properly ratified by Congress. People have been hashing this back and forth for years, and apparently the IRS has no real right to take this money from us. What it really comes down to though: Do you feel like arguing with the IRS about it?
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Interesting video. Kind of reminds me of a few other things.
1) Executive Order 12333 (http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12333.htm). Dunno if it is still valid or if it got tossed in the shredder along with everything else, but it is a good one. This one goes along with USSID 18, (Found at http://cryptome.org/nsa-ussid18.htm) and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sup_01_50.html). Chapter 36 in particular. You can fill in the redacted portions of one document with contents of another if you look really closely.
2) Anyone here read Heinlein? I know, his books were predominantly fiction, but he was a very perceptive man. He predicted many technological advances and social trends decades before they actually occurred. If you have read Heinlein, read up on his "Future History" and a character named "Nehemiah Scudder" in particular. Sound like someone we know? Or maybe his successor? The way political leadership of the US has been going the last 50 or so years, it is like a pendulum that gains more momentum each time it swings. Moderate Left, Moderate Right, Heavy Left, Heavy Right, EXTREME Left, EXTREME Right.
3) Taxes? I know about the old "Death and Taxes" spiel, but that isn't exactly true. Most people and corporations that make a LOT of money, have lots and lots of ways to avoid the latter. Heck, all those Uber-Expensive clothes that the movie stars wear are almost all Tax Deductible because part of their job is keeping up appearances. As for the "Death" part of that phrase, even status and "political contributions" (e.g. all expenses paid trip to the Bahamas, new homes, guaranteed employment after term of office) still can't prevent it..
Oh well, off my conspiracy theorist hobby horse. I don't mind paying taxes, if they actually were to go to benefit those who actually benefit society. It still burns me that many corporations now include your status and ability to give them tax breaks for hiring you as part of your total "Hirability" score.
Discuss?
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i agrees...i dont like taxes but i think they are necessary to help pay for a lot of things...
everyone is so concreened about saving their money that everything else jsut goes to waste....look at the education we receive in the United States...its disgusting...
we let the incredibly wealthy keep their money while others struggle to get by, and the ones who cna aford to pay taxes would rhather buy the newest ipod or whatever then pay a few dollars extra...
i dunnos im no genius on the topic but still
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Im pretty sure this is incorrect, people who have used this as their defense have been taken to court and ordered to pay their taxes.
Funny, I was looking at a link about this just the other day, but I cant remember the reason why.
Im inclinced to think if there was any real legal problem with it, the Government would just amend the constitution to fix it- it wouldnt be hard to get a two thirds majority (thats whats needed, isnt it?) to pass an amendment as fundamental as that.
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Here (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-7403366410552837196&q=AMERICA%3A+FROM+FREEDOM+TO+FASCISM) is an interview with an IRS dewd. He gets a little flusterd by the questions. They also show two jury members that found a guy not guilty of tax fraud, because there is no law.
The sepreme Court has ruled on this, but the lower courts do not follow the ruling ???
I think its time for me to research Canadian Fedral law ;D
The way political leadership of the US has been going the last 50 or so years, it is like a pendulum that gains more momentum each time it swings. Moderate Left, Moderate Right, Heavy Left, Heavy Right, EXTREME Left, EXTREME Right.
Discuss?
Funny you should mention that, you might want to take a look at this (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=969028729334963658&q=AMERICA%3A+FROM+FREEDOM+TO+FASCISM). Let me know what you think.
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sory for double post.
here are some cases of people beating the IRS
http://www.stanley2002.org/stories/090203/09020329.htm
http://www.stanley2002.org/stories/090203/09020339.htm
http://www.givemeliberty.org/RTPLaws...2005-06-28.htm
Here a chief justice addmits that there is no "falure to pay" law
http://www.stanley2002.org/releases/release030504.htm
Some facts about tax
http://www.stanley2002.org/Amazing_F...ncome_Tax.html
I.R.S WAS NOT CREATED BY CONGRESS
http://www.stanley2002.org/stories/090903/090903182.htm
discuss ?