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Gameplay => Wish list => Topic started by: Suno_Regin on October 28, 2006, 10:25:37 pm

Title: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Suno_Regin on October 28, 2006, 10:25:37 pm
Ok, I don't know what happened to the Ylian model, but overtime it's just gotten far too ugly. For one thing, the Ylian's "hair" was supposed to be some sort of hat (since it was originally colored the same as their clothes, yellow), and the facial expression (Blonde 1) had a moustache on it. Now, it's made so that hat is actually their hair, and moustache, which makes it look really weird because he now has two moustaches. Also, his hair's just...flat, which doesn't look right at all. It should be redone to actually look normal, or at least give them some real hair and less ugly facial expressions. They used to look good up until someone decided to turn that hat of theirs into their actual hair.
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Karyuu on October 28, 2006, 10:26:33 pm
...It's always been hair.
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Suno_Regin on October 28, 2006, 10:27:38 pm
But it doesn't look like hair. The way it was colored back when I first started playing, it looked like a hat-ish thing. Now that it's hair, it just looks weird. I mean, look closely at the default face. It has TWO moustaches now.

EDIT: Sorry, I meant beards.
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Karyuu on October 28, 2006, 10:38:03 pm
(http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/6859/ylianhairob1.jpg)

I don't see the two-moustache thing happening - there's a moustache and a beard. Perhaps take a screenshot of what you're referring to? And I agree that a lot of the models can be made better, but is there really any point to asking for it? We've already said many times that nearly nothing is final at this point :>
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Suno_Regin on October 28, 2006, 10:39:13 pm
You're using the wrong facial expression. Look at Blonde 1, which was the original before the new ones were added. He has a blonde BEARD (accidentally said moustache before) under his other beard. But besides that, his hair doesn't even look normal. It almost looks like a wig now. The other races are perfect, but this one's just ugly when you look at its face.
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: zorbels on October 28, 2006, 10:41:12 pm
Quote from: Suno_Regin
You're using the wrong facial expression. Look at Blonde 1, which was the original before the new ones were added. He has a blonde BEARD (accidentally said moustache before) under his other beard. But besides that, his hair doesn't even look normal. It almost looks like a wig now. The other races are perfect, but this one's just ugly when you look at its face.

Maybe go get that screenshot karyuu requested. Then she can see what you are talking about.
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Karyuu on October 28, 2006, 10:41:54 pm
But that other beard doesn't even show. I think the shape of his hair is fine - the texture can be made better, and it would look nicer if the transition from face to hair was smoother, but I certainly don't see it as a wig or a hat.
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Suno_Regin on October 28, 2006, 10:46:22 pm
Here's the screenshot.

(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8245/shot08pj6.jpg)



Look closely at the mousetache/beard area. Oh, and one more thing. He doesn't have ears.

EDIT: I guess I did mean moustache. I was going to post this thread sooner, but I had computer problems and had to reboot so I forgot where the hair was.
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Karyuu on October 28, 2006, 10:48:44 pm
That should be fairly easily fixed.

*will take care of*
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Ithorius on October 28, 2006, 10:50:19 pm
I agree, its plainly obvious theres a blonde mustach under the brown one...

But this is just a problem with the blonde 1 model.
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Suno_Regin on October 28, 2006, 10:51:31 pm
But the blonde one was the original. If those other expressions hadn't been added recently, I would have more of a case here. But this is what they worked with, so knowing that they already had a moustache on the Ylian, then turning that hat-ish thing into his hair, seems more like a bug and makes it looks messed up.
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Karyuu on October 28, 2006, 10:52:24 pm
Suno, it was always hair. It was never a hat...
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Suno_Regin on October 28, 2006, 11:01:23 pm
Well it was colored the same as their clothes. When it changed colors it just didn't look right at all. =/
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: zorbels on October 28, 2006, 11:10:38 pm
Quote from: Suno_Regin
Well it was colored the same as their clothes. When it changed colors it just didn't look right at all. =/

Or look at it this way. Maybe it was meant to change but you just got to used to seeing it the same color as the clothes. When it did finally change it seemed weird.
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Suno_Regin on October 29, 2006, 02:20:10 am
Yes, it did. But it looks like it was supposed to be a hat, the way it's shaped. If it looked more like hair, then I could accept it.
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Nikodemus on October 29, 2006, 10:40:53 am
omg! it was always a hair, na matter what you think or thought, its a hair! Everybody know already that you thought it was a hat and because of this, it isn't going to become really a hat.
There are loads of art elements which should change, but there are also not enough artists so just wait till soonTM
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: IronHead on November 01, 2006, 08:11:36 pm
lol, I agree. either the texture or the model is making that charachter look horid
I think it's because the model on the face is of a fat, lumpy guy, but the texture is of a good looking man. the eyes are too small to fit where they would look best, but if you made them bigger, it would be unrealistic

The mouth area:  real facial hair follows the contours of the edge of the lips, including the indent under the nose

The Hair:  the texture of the hair is that of parted hair, with the ends coming down to the side, but the model is that of combed back hair or a mullet
this gives the appearance that he is wearing a hair net with a very tight mesh
or, because of the fin-like point at the top of the hair,  the hair model could also accomidate the texture of a fohawk-mullet, (lol... fohawllet?)
and then there are the little pookies on the sides, which kinda make it look like a hat, or a miniature afro.. kindof a.. fohawk-mullet-afro I guess, lol (foahawletfro?) which is the other reason it looks like he's wearing a hair net.

and this is my theory on why it looks so bad
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Parallo on November 01, 2006, 08:18:23 pm
Aye it looks fairly bad but not awful. There are people out there without meshes or textures so I'm sure that takes priority.
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Karyuu on November 01, 2006, 08:40:34 pm
How about instead of looking for every little flaw you can find, you give a little appreciation to the artist who dedicated his or her time and effort so that you can have an Ylian model at all?
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Kalika on November 01, 2006, 08:45:33 pm
 \\o// oi Karyuu!

seriously, some characters dont even have models for their races...

be happys you ahve one ;)
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Parallo on November 01, 2006, 08:55:20 pm
Quote from: Karyuu on November 01, 2006, 08:40:34 pm
How about instead of looking for every little flaw you can find, you give a little appreciation to the artist who dedicated his or her time and effort so that you can have an Ylian model at all?
True. I take back what I said. When I look at it that way its beautiful. :)
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Malfini on November 27, 2006, 01:48:15 am
I really do appreciate the work an artist went through to make the Ylian model. With that said I think that it is worth noting that the eyebrows are gray and very sparse. I do however agree that making models for those that don't really have one should be a priority.

*Edit*

The very sparse gray eyebrows make me feel ugly when roleplaying :( . Is it at all possible for that to somehow be changed by a GM for Malfini? Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Karyuu on November 27, 2006, 01:58:05 am
GMs do not change character appearances, sorry :} We have no such ability.
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Malfini on November 27, 2006, 02:00:36 am
Hadfael was morphing people to entirely different models/creatures for Halloween though. I don't understand then why they can't change my eyebrows or hair color.  :-\

*Edit*

What happened to the hair dyes that an NPC was selling?
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Karyuu on November 27, 2006, 02:03:29 am
Because morphing to a completely different model and changing small aspects of a model are different things, and we cannot do the latter. Moreover, it would not be permanent but reset upon your next login. To make a permanent change would require messing with the character database, and no dev is open to such requests - your character creation choices are there to stay until the next character creation.
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Malfini on November 27, 2006, 02:05:52 am
I understand Karyuu, however to be honest I never chose "gray sparse eyebrows" in character creation. I didn't even have any small aspect choices when I made Malfini.

*Edit*

Do you know why hair dye was removed from the game?
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Karyuu on November 27, 2006, 02:08:50 am
I understand that new textures/hair colors were not available when you made your character, but there's seriously nothing we can do to change your appearance right now. I also don't know why hair dye was removed - Xordan's guess is it was done by mistake.
Title: Re: Redo the Ylian Model
Post by: Malfini on November 27, 2006, 02:11:45 am
Alright Karyuu, thank you for answering my questions. :)