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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: LARAGORN on November 09, 2006, 12:51:09 am
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I have just got home from an 8 day stay at the regions largest hospital, and it was a very discouraging experience. The intelligence level of most of the staff was borderline retarded. I spent 24hrs in the emergency department untill the 'specialist' finally listend to me. I had to tell the doctor what tests to ask for and what to look for in the results. Once they actually found the blood clotts, it was almost 2 days before i saw a doctor again. When the doctor did show up I had to get a medical book to explain to him what had happend, in my perticular case. It is a good thing I am a lucky guy, or else I would be dead. Only 10% servive this type of blood clott, symply because the doctors dont know what to look for. They spot it right away on the coriners table. Blood clotts are not a very common thing in men my age, and if I had not learned about them a few years ago, and understood how they work and how they effect the body, you would have never seen another post from me again.
It also seems the 'human' factor has been lost in the health care system of my country. The treatment of the elderly was heart wrenching, all dignity stripped from them with no regard whatsoever of privacy or compassion.
Ok I'm not gonna rant about everything here because I would easily surpass the 20,000 character limit. I would like to hear if anyone else has had a less than enjoyable stay in a hospital.
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What is your country? I cannot say I have experienced that level of incompetence here. (US, Ohio (Midwest))
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I can understand a lack of compassion from the staff, especially from nurses. During their career they have to deal with thousands of people who will die. They'd have mental breakdowns if they let themselves feel much emotion towards patients. As for the incompetence... I can't say I see that over here in the UK. Maybe you were just unlucky? Or maybe Canada is just bad for medical care?
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Now who said that? My dentist rocks! Canada rocks!
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Meh, Canada and their government health care... Of course I'm Canadian, too. But I'll choose to use the U.S. citizenship for this conversation.
If it's any help, I've had a worse stay in the hospital in Ukraine when I was five... :P
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The u.s aint that great either.
There are thousands of cases of hospital accidents that lead to deaths each year.
Where you guys might not be efficient we are more careless.
Choose the lesser of two evils ;)
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The problem in Denmark is probably the long time yuo have to wait to get operated, sometimes 6 months before it's your turn. I've never been on the hopsital myself except for visits and birth. I'm a lucky guy :D.
and dentist... I brush my teeth well ;) only thing wrong with me is up here ::|
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Public healthcare's main priority is service. Private healthcare's main priority is proffit. And despite the facts, public healthcare is actually far more efficient than privately owned health care. This is a fact which has been proven by study after study, but special interest groups are constantly trying to cover it up. When public healthcare performs poorly, it's almost always due to deliberate underfunding. Conservative governments sabotage the different parts of the social system so they can claim that things like public education, public healthcare, and public transportation are bad. They aren't bad. If corporation-friendly governments would stop sabotaging them, then we'd be just fine.
My dad was admitted to hospital a year ago for severe pains in his abdomen. They treated him as if he had gas, or some other digestive problem. They even gave him laxitatives. The pain didn't go away, and after a few days it was so bad he felt like he could die.
He went to a different doctor. After just one minute, the doctor diagnosed him with a ruptured appendix and they rushed him into the ER. Because of the hospital he went to first, my dad was walking around with a ruptured appendix for five days before being properly diagnosed.
I'm not a fan of hospitals. I had to go to the hospital too many times this summer and I just got sick of it. Most of the time I wasn't the patient - I was one of the few drivers at the camp I was working at, so I ended up taking people to the hospital whenever the need came up. But what did it to me is how they treated one of my friends and co-workers. A fourty pound milk bag had crushed her arm vertically, breaking it. But the doctor diagnosed it as something to do with the muscle, so he didn't put the arm in a cast. The pain didn't go away. She went to another doctor, and he diagnosed it as something to do with her hand. She pointed out a dark line on her arm in the xray where she was feeling the pain but he just dismissed it. She goes back. Another diagnoses says that she might have a broken arm, but probably not. A nurse who happened to be in the room saw the x-ray and freaked out. She said that it looked like "thousands of microfractures" along one side of the arm, an injury entirely consistent with the force of the blow. The doctor dismissed the nurse's opinion. We ended up finding out that the nurse was right, but my friend had to take care of it herself because the hospital wouldn't do what needed to be done.
Why are some people so stupid? It's just evil the way some of these professionals behave. And it seems to me that their professionalism only gets worse once you start talking about disorders of the mind.
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Public healthcare's main priority is service. Private healthcare's main priority is proffit.
The biggest problem in US healthcare are HMO's, which are often owned by insurance companies.
In the US a great many people cannot afford health care, more and more each year cannot even afford the prescription medications recommended by their physicains.. provided they even get to see a physician in the fisrt place.
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WiseKran has had several unhappy trips to the hospital in his 16 years.
A few years back, I fell from a tree and shattered my elbow, and most of my forearm. As you can imagine, I was in excruciating pain. I was rushed to the hospital, only to sit in the emergency room for about 40 minutes. Now I know they have to take life threatening cases first, and I would have it no other way, But they should really be faster about that or something, I mean. My arm was twisted, broken, swollen and bleeding I was pretty bad by the time they got to me.
We then proceeded to the x-ray room, and the guy who worked there was none too kind, or too gentle.
I had to get the cast set by a "professional", and 6 months later when I got the cast off, I see another doctor, and it turns out He made a mistake for the rest of my life, my forarm will not rotate, the bones dont cross over. I cant turn my hand palm up. This means that I will never get my change back from drivethrough windows so long as I live.
Now lets see here, The time I broke my collarbone, I was taken by ambulence to the ER, and they fixed me up pretty good. The guys were nice, and It was handled fast and efficient, no complaints.
But In general, I find hospital staff to be mostly comprised of low-lives. and the only nice people that work there tend to be over-worked, over-stressed, over-tired. Usually the way they care for people is in sort of an indifferent manner, you feel more like an object, or a slab of meat when your in the hospital, rather than a Human being.
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Almost all problems with health care are do to financial considerations. Here in Canada the Pols kepp funneling money into the system but a large amout of it gets sucked into the administrative stream and the various bureaucracies. Another big problem is drug prices. Big drug companies jack the price of newly patented drugs sky high and when the patent expires play legal games to extend the protection. In the States a lot of the problem is that the HMO's tend to focus on the bottom dollar more than on patient welfare. Some doctors buckle under the pressure to keep costs down and their duty to their patients. Their duty doesn't do them much good if they can't keep a job and pay off their tuition.
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In the Netherlands public health care is fine, really.
While our family was on vacation my sister suddenly couldn't walk very well, it was the end of our vacation anyway, so we drove back to my country and went to the nearest hospital. A week later she already had surgery.
My own experience with hospitals was a little worse.
We were once walking in a forest when we couldn't go further. It had rained a lot the day before, and what once was a path was now a small river. Of course everyone could jump over, except for me, I was like 5 years old. So my dad had the brilliant idea to throw me over it. Of course I landed in a very wrong way and broke my arm.
My mother, having worked in a hospital as a nurse, immediately recognized the broken arm. We went to the hospital and got an X-ray. But of course the doctor told us my arm was fine. My mum pointed out a black line on the X-ray, but the docter told us it was nothing. Of course my mother was frustrated, apparently her medical knowledge had become outdated.....
Until the docter calls us up after I had a night of horrific pain, he had looked at the X-ray again, and apparently my arm was broken. We went to the hospital again and everything was fine.
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*Matt tilts his head to hear what the small robed man on his shoulder is saying and smiles and nods.*
We got a little bored with the ranting, but did read Zanzibar's. One thing I have to point out for amusement's sake is:
And despite the facts, public healthcare is actually far more efficient than privately owned health care.
Heh heh.
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*Matt tilts his head to hear what the small robed man on his shoulder is saying and smiles and nods.*
We got a little bored with the ranting, but did read Zanzibar's. One thing I have to point out for amusement's sake is:
And despite the facts, public healthcare is actually far more efficient than privately owned health care.
Heh heh.
What I meant was that even though private business is supposed to care about maximizing fiscal proffits, public healthcare institutions are actually more effecient monetarily. The fact is that public healthcare is supposed to care about service more than money, and despite that fact, they are still more efficient.
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I can understand a lack of compassion from the staff, especially from nurses. During their career they have to deal with thousands of people who will die. They'd have mental breakdowns if they let themselves feel much emotion towards patients. As for the incompetence... I can't say I see that over here in the UK. Maybe you were just unlucky? Or maybe Canada is just bad for medical care?
/me posts xordan his scrubs dvds so he can get a better understanding of hospitals.
me myself avoid hospitals/doctors... have only ended up there due to broken bones and the like
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*Matt tilts his head to hear what the small robed man on his shoulder is saying and smiles and nods.*
We got a little bored with the ranting, but did read Zanzibar's. One thing I have to point out for amusement's sake is:
And despite the facts, public healthcare is actually far more efficient than privately owned health care.
Heh heh.
What I meant was that even though private business is supposed to care about maximizing fiscal proffits, public healthcare institutions are actually more effecient monetarily. The fact is that public healthcare is supposed to care about service more than money, and despite that fact, they are still more efficient.
Agreed, If you don't believe him, Come break your leg in Southern California.
You'll probably get Liver Medication by accident. :whistling: :woot:
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At least you have got a hospital Datruth ours is shutting and the nearest is miles away >:(
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Means you have less chance of contracting MRSA now Gharan :P
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The nearest hosital to where I live is thirty miles away. It lacks most facilities so people needing specialist treatment have to travel to other counties. Cancer patients have to travel to the other end of the country for their regular treatment. There is major outcry at the moment. All sorts of movements and rallies have been organised.
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Oh! Pick me! Pick me! I want to rant too please. :P
Over here it is almost better to treat yourself than go to a public hospital. It is common practice to send relatives you dislike to public hospitals… I have been to hospitals way too many times and it is not a pleasant place to go even when it’s a private one. :whistling: :devil:
Private ones are almost just as bad as public ones, but at least you return from them alive. Firstly if you do not have proof that you belong to medical aid they just send you away to the closes public hospital and even with proof still you have to fill in your medical aid details and all kinds of other forms.
This happened to me when I took a young horse for a walk and we rounded a corner almost bumping into some giraffes. The poor horse had never seen a giraffe before in his life and went crazy. To make a long story short I ended up being tossed straight through a thorn tree scraping half my face off on one of the branches and hitting the next branch head first. Then I plopped down through the branches hitting the ground, lucky not on my head (Again). :P
When we got to the hospital I had to wait in line for over half an hour. None of the people in front of me had any serious injuries but no one really seemed to care.
Actually one person did… at some point the janitor passed me a bucket so I could stop bleeding all over the floor. ::|
It being a hot day and 30 degrees out was not helping either and by the time I got the front I was just about passing out.
I went to a public hospital once, and never again after that. I almost died... ::| I had broken my hand and they had to replace some of the bones in my finger with bone they had cut from my ankle. I only had a wrapped up hand and foot but they wanted to keep me overnight for a few days to make sure my hand stabilizes or something. I stayed there for two days after the operation, in that time (Outside visiting hours) I had more company in the form of rats and other little creatures running about, and then I had from the hospital staff them selves. I saw a nurse twice a day, once walking past my ward then again when she left for home. Naturally my call button was broken and so was everyone else’s. On the second morning a nurse actually came in to check on me. I tried to talk to her and ask why no staff is about but she simply shrugged and ignored me. (Having 11 official languages is such an easy excuse to be rude). I over heard her talk to the normal nurse that passes in the mornings so I knew she could understand me. She stated that bandages needed changing and left to fetch some. Guess who never came back… X-/
By that afternoon I had had enough. I colleted my things, phoned home then got out of bed and hopped down the hall. I was on the third floor, there was a lift but I gave one look at the dust that had gathered on the button and promptly turned around hopping down the wheel chair ramp instead. No one even questioned me until I started hoping past the reception desk. The receptionist was saying something about needing to sign some forms or letting the doctor know I am leaving but I had no interest in what she was saying as I was still hopped and more focused on keeping my balance. I hopped outside and never went back. :D
I had to go for physiotherapy for both my hand and foot. Firstly they had left the clamp down too long and I had gotten ‘drop foot’ and secondly, the doctor had cut across the part of my finger where it had the densest collection of nerves. I fully recovered but my physiotherapist said later that it was amazing that I could even use my finger at all.
Most of my other operations and injuries didn’t go very smoothly either so I am not a great fan of hospitals either way.
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Kiraki, those are both nightmares of a story. Here in Canada, the first thing they do is triage. Emergency cases are rushed to the front.
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In most cases you are right Zanzi, five minutes after walking in the hospital I had a team of nurses and technitions swarming around me. Things are not always this way however, I have went through hell and back with my ex-wife in dealing with doctors and hospitals. 17 surguries in 8 years is totally pathetic. My step son had a similar experience as mentioned here. The doctor had sent him home because he didnt have a fever, even though his white blood level was triple the norm. It was almost three months later, when my step son said he couldnt take the pain any more, that we went back to the hospital. Luckily it was a different doctor, and he imidiatly took him to surgery. A ruptured apendix with gangerous bile throughout the abdomen, not a happy time for a 12 year old. Three days later my ex-wife was rushed to surgery with 2 ruptured cysts and a ruptured tubal pregnacy, she had lost over 3 liters of blood with internal bleeding. she had been examined 1 week prior and was told nothing was wrong.
About 20 years ago the major hospital in my city was rated in the top 5 of Canadian hospitals, they had cutting edge doctors preforming cutting edge research and surgery. That is about the time the government started to lean toward private health care, and the cut backs started. There were 3 hospitals, now we are down to one. It is funny how the one hospital is costing almost as much as the 3 used to. Everything is contracted out, instead of having their own janitorial staff, it goes to the highest bidder( yes i said highest, the lower bids were ignored) instead of having their own food services, it is shiped 900Km from the highest bidder. All our doctors and nurses are romanced by the states, with new cars and houses, and trust funds for their kids. Canada can't compete with the money they are offered, so they go State side. We are left with over worked and under qualified doctors and nurses. Even imagrant doctors that have been fully trained elswhere have to take the entire medical training over, not just a year or two, or a competancie exam, the entire schooling proccess. My parents doctor just retired and now there are 11000 people without a family doctor, yes eleven thousand people had the same doctor.
It is a scary situation.
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/me takes a BIG breath
4 years ago, i had pains in my abdomen, vomitting and nausia for days on end. I ended up in hospital and after about a week of scans and tests i was MISdiagnosed with stomache migranes, pretty much a more sophisticated word for random gut pains.
3 years later [As in last year] I found myself getting serious stomache pains again, randomly out of no where, i used to get them intermittently for short bursts and thought nothing of it. Yet now it lasted longer and was more severe. short version until i got to hospital; 5 weeks of agonising pain, seeing as pain killers do nearly nothing for me [when in hopsital i was on 80mls of morphine, 8mls of pethadine[stronger than morphine, apparently strongest tere is], oxycodone [panadol on steriods] and tramadol, all at the same time, and i was still consious of my pain] and in this time all i had was regular pain tablets. It took the 5 weeks of running between 3 incompetent GP's all giving me wrong diagnoses, from.. being full of crap [what he said XD], to having irritable bowel Syndrome. Eventually one [my current GP] organised a ultrasound, and they saw an abnormality in my bowels, and then i was sent to hospital to find out if it was what they thought. [3 days before my birthday, i ate dry crackers while the rest of my family ate my favorite type of mud cake in front of me >:(] to summarise my whole hospital experience, i ended up spending near on 9 weeks in the hospital, I was diagnosed with Crohns disease[ The end of my small bowel was inflamed and nothing could pass through]I had a crap load of tests [CAT scans, MRI, Colonoscopy, endoscopy, blood tests, pretty much every investaggatory test there is] and put of every medication for it, steriods, left for 5 days and came back with a perriferated bowel, eventually they put me into surgery, i had a bowel ressection and 50cm of the end of my small and 10 cm of the start of my large intestines was removed and then for 3 months i had a illiostomy bag.. fun [these are the reasons for the scars if any of you have seen them] after that i went back to hospital for about another two weeks and then until the wound was healed i had appointments filling it with gausse. But, now i am better and have been for over six months, doing better than most after this type of thing and actually fitter and stronger then what i was before it all happened. learning to walk again and muscle deprivation is a tough cookie ;). One thing i learnt, The staff over here, especially the nurses are awsome, caring, kind, talketive and.. most are hot too ^^.
So yeah, it irritates me when there are medical ads on TV with people saying," i spent 4 days in hopsital"
But at least i got a couple cool scars out of it and im all good now.
[ Edited for language. --Karyuu ]
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I'm happy for you oobilytoob, I know what it is like to have pain on a daily basis. I hope the sergury was an end for your problems.
I had a childhood disease which deformed both my hip joints, now there is no cartalidge and no fluid sack, both hips are just bone on bone, and arthritis has set it on both. So pain is no stranger to me, I take 40 mg of oxycontin 3 times a day and 3600 mg of anti-inflamitory medication a day, but this only dulls the pain slightly. All the doctors say I am still to young for hip replacement (they have said that for 20 years) and one was willing to do it until she saw the x-rays. There is to little of the socket left, and she is not confident enough to rebuild my pelvis. Its a no win situation.
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I've only had few problems which needed hospital treatment. The worst one was a chronic infection of my ear that threatened to infect my facial nerve and paralyze my left half of the face.
Eventually after one year of stinking fluids comming out of my ear and 14 ear-specialist appointments I was sent to the hospital where they diagnosed me with the correct disease, Cholesteatoma, and i was signed up for surgery as soon as possible. That just happened to be 6 months later :thumbdown: The surgery went fine but I caught a light infection while recovering
I found out that the ear department of the public hospital here has two doctors. Two doctors!
All in all my impression is that the danish doctors are very talented, there are just not enough and our government won't give them the money they need..