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Title: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on November 28, 2006, 09:08:01 pm
This is the quintessential question of Canadian identity. We tend to identify more by what we are not (American) than by anything we are although we are North American and are unduly influenced by our unruly  :innocent:  southern cousins. So what do you know about us and have you heard anything lately?

Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Karyuu on November 28, 2006, 09:10:08 pm
You guys are the home of Arrogant Worms. You therefore rock.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on November 28, 2006, 09:11:15 pm
Arrogant Worms are hella overrated.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Monketh on November 28, 2006, 09:11:53 pm
As an American, it really depends on the logic of the speaker.  The more rational the speaker, the more likely to hold a positive or neutral opinion.  The homophobic France-bashers, however, hold Canada in a negative esteem.  I personally think Canadia is awesome. :)
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: miadon on November 28, 2006, 09:13:07 pm
When I think of Canada I think of:

Québec
Toronto
Mounties
Maple Syrup
British Commonwealth
CN Tower
"Oh Canada".
Red and White flag with a maple leaf
Killing of seals cruely :(

otehr things if I put mind mind to it.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: steuben on November 28, 2006, 09:22:48 pm
Arrogant Worms \o/
i went to the same uni as the arrogant worms
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Parallo on November 28, 2006, 09:24:34 pm
Canada is cool. I like canada. Mountains and stuff. Yeah pobably one of the most natural places left.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on November 28, 2006, 09:58:05 pm
I think I see a pattern forming, mostly positive, largely ignored and nothing recent. :detective:
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Parallo on November 28, 2006, 10:21:08 pm
The former ombudsman for federal prison inmates often skipped work and collected $325,000 in improper or questionable salary, vacation pay and expenses over a 14-year period, Auditor General Sheila Fraser alleges.

The latest report by Fraser, whose previous work blew open the federal sponsorship scandal, examined a wide range of government programs, practices and spending. It found serious problems with controls of public servants' charge cards and safety regulations at Health Canada.

Ron Stewart, a former star CFL football star who retired from the Correctional Service of Canada in 2004, repeatedly failed to attend staff meetings, was frequently unavailable to aides and otherwise shirked his duties, Fraser concluded in her report released Tuesday.

"Obviously, he [Stewart] was not at his office a lot and received wages for work he didn't do," Fraser told reporters after the report's release.

She also found that Stewart, who once played for the now-defunct Ottawa Rough Riders, charged the government for hospitality and travel apparently unrelated to his work, including five trips to cities hosting Grey Cup games, and was awarded hefty bonuses disguised as overtime pay.

"The transactions are very disturbing; his behaviour is disturbing, but what I think is even more disturbing is that it did go on for so long and that no one ever reported suspicions of wrongdoing," Fraser said.

Is that recent enough?
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: WiseKran on November 28, 2006, 10:27:36 pm
From new york.

When i hear Canada.

I think:

beer
hockey
and the saying of "eh" after most sentances.


Those arent negative images by the way. I really have nuetral feelings about canada.

That's good, because I have alot of hate for other countries.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on November 28, 2006, 10:57:33 pm
I hadn't heard that Parallo but does it really count if you have to go out of your way to find something. :) Did you find that on the net or hear it elsewhere?
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Rayken on November 28, 2006, 11:00:08 pm
I tend to think of Canadians as our far more sensible Neighbors to the north.  I'd seriously consider moving to Canada if their immigration laws weren't so tough.  Also I happen to like Hockey.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Parallo on November 28, 2006, 11:12:26 pm
I hadn't heard that Parallo but does it really count if you have to go out of your way to find something. :) Did you find that on the net or hear it elsewhere?

I most certainly didn't put Canadian news into Google and copy and paste the first thing I saw.  :whistling:
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on November 28, 2006, 11:19:10 pm
I'm guessing it was the first time you didn't do that. Eh?
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Parallo on November 28, 2006, 11:22:08 pm
I have no idea how to answer that?!  ???
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: lanser on November 28, 2006, 11:56:58 pm
When I think of canada I think of:
Snow
more snow
wide open empty spaces
and the canadygirls
Dylia \o/
Zorbels \o/
Anfa\o/
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: neko kyouran on November 28, 2006, 11:57:24 pm
Canada is the home of Zorbels.  Canada therefore r0xx0rz teh s0xx0rz.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Datruth on November 29, 2006, 12:30:37 am
If you truly want the truth :( ..... here it is

Southern california percieves Canadians as such:

1) Ice Skaters/Hockey players
2) Frenchies
3) Idiots

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'm one of the few people at my college, who DOES NOT make canadian jokes, but they run RAMPANT here, like wildfire.

I have no clue why, i love how Canadians have Health care for all, How they won't go off and BOMB Iraq for no Good reason, and I love how they Ousted their Last Leader, because they didn't tolerate him.

That said, if anything bad happens here in america, I'm Running to CANADA :P

But truthfully, you all have a negative media, here in SoCal anyways.

Sorry :(

~~Datruth
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on November 29, 2006, 12:39:04 am
It's almost december and I've been out in a t-shirt walking on green grass, so I'm not sure what this "snow" stuff you're talking aboot is.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Phinehas on November 29, 2006, 01:12:59 am
Banff National Park.

'nuff said.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Kalika on November 29, 2006, 01:16:59 am
 :whistling: erm as an American i see Canadians as being snowboarders and funny people that say "eh" (tee hee hee its so cute :D) and uhm lovable people that can speak french and that have a maple leaf on their flag cause they like maple syrup??? ahahah oh yeah and a bunch of hippie-ish people too cuase from what i heard marijuana is legal there. oh yeah and they wear cute hats *kawaii :D*

erm....yeah im not the most brilliant american there ever was, but i have thought about going to canada before.. it looks so pretties, but it might e a bit cold for my blood. *shrugs*
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on November 29, 2006, 01:26:50 am
Most Canadians live within 100 miles of the U.S. border. Pot is only legal for people with a doctor's prescription. I think less than half the population can speak french even though it is an official language. If you come up during the summer, June through August you can expect the air temperature to range between 70 and 100 degrees fahrenheit with the average being the high 80's, I think. Of course it depends on how far north you go.

Don't forget your passport or they might not let you back in to the States.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Goldir on November 29, 2006, 01:29:09 am
My perception of Canada, in short clipped phrases:
Individualists.
Mostly French or British Ancestry
High tolerance for cold weather
Zorbels/Akaye.  Nuff said.
They export a lot of unqualified english teachers to east asia
They REALLY don't like being called American
"eh?"
Mackinzie Bros
Not a bad place to live, from what I've heard
Lots of natural resources, waiting to be exploited
A good place to hide out, when politics further south get a little hairy

I could think up some more, but it just seems like too much work.

EDIT: oh yeah, I don't consider Quebec to be Canada.  They are more like France, Jr.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Kalika on November 29, 2006, 01:29:56 am
Kalika "accidently" drops her passport somewhere deep in the snow

i dont wanna go back :D :D
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on November 29, 2006, 02:52:33 am
EDIT: oh yeah, I don't consider Quebec to be Canada.  They are more like France, Jr.


The Parisian French really don't care at all about Quebec's so-called french identity.  It's important to the Quebecois, but not important to french speakers outside Canada.  That's my understanding, anyway.

Quebec is most definately a part of Canada though and very different from France.  I like them.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Monketh on November 29, 2006, 03:48:40 am
Quebec is beautiful!  I've been to Montreal and Quebec City.  (Old Quebecois buildings are definitely cooler than old American buildings.)

I also think of miles and miles (or kilometres and kilometres) of forest.  Why, might you ask?  Because I've been to the scout reserve in Haliburton, Ontario, and to get there we had to drive through miles (or kilometres and kilometres) of forest.  "Webbers" (sp?) has good burgers, btw.  Not to mention Canadian Candy is Superior to American Candy.  (I also am fascinated that Scouts Canada is apparently Co-ed.)

I learned how to do an over-zealous Canadian accent, much like my british accent.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Robinmagus on November 29, 2006, 04:17:13 am
Hey now, I'm in Southern California, and I love Canada. Don't know what datruth is talkin' about. French, the language of loovvve. Eh? Eh? Syrup? A flag with a maple leaf? SNOW. hockey, niagra falls, and wait, wait, what? They burned the white house? How cooooollll. I love canadians. Yay.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: LARAGORN on November 29, 2006, 05:55:01 am
Ah yes Webbers, a drive down highway 11 is not complete without a stop there for one of there world famous burgers. They really are the absolute best burger you can buy, one bite and you will know what I mean. (oops forgot the eh, eh?)

I love my country and wouldnt want to live full time anywhere else in the world. Of course there are some things I would like to see changed, just as any of you in your country. I am proud we have grown up quite a bit in a short time, and that we have continued to keep peacfull relations with a majority of the world.

Yay Canada
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zorbels on November 29, 2006, 06:38:10 pm
Quote from: Datruth

Southern california percieves Canadians as such:

1) Ice Skaters/Hockey players
2) Frenchies
3) Idiots

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Well they should really look in their own back yard because there are idiot's everywhere. Besides that is just your perception on the topic, it doesn't mean everyone feels that way. I have meet people who loathe other countries and provinces in my own back yard and I don't favor their opinion.

Quote from: Goldir
EDIT: oh yeah, I don't consider Quebec to be Canada.  They are more like France, Jr.

It has just been voted on yesterday that Quebec is a Nation. so they are still very much apart of canada. They are just proud of their province and culture but get a little carried away in my opinoin when it comes to their identity to the world.  

What I love most about my country is the freedom it really has. Not the watered down version of freedom. I like our health care and our education system to a certain degree. I like that the "unfortant" can recieve help with programs and services provided by the government. I like that we have beautiful land both in winter and spring. I love our national parks. I love that for the most part most canadians are friendly and would give you their shirt off their back if needed, and as LARAGORN mentioned have managed to keep peaceful relations with the majority of the world. I also love that we have a mix of many different cultures. We are like a big bowl of party mix. I just love it here and when I think about other parts of the world I thank my lucky stars I am canadian. <3 <3 <3 <3

[Edit]  OH YA how can I forget!!!! I love the snow! Snowman, Snowballs, Snow sleding, snowboarding, making snow angels, snow forts, snow cones, snow bunnies (There is a couple that live near my house) ....

/me walks off still babbling about snow
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on November 29, 2006, 06:49:19 pm
The thing with Quebecois just that just as English Canadians define themselves as "not American", Quebecois define themselves as not English.  Their french identity is extremely important.  However, Parisian French people don't give a crap about Quebec's french identity!  It's ridiculous, and just a language thing.

Really, the driving force of the separtiste movement is entirely economic and political.  The movie "Octobre" would be a good movie to watch if you want to get one view of the more radical separtiste elements - it's actually about the FLQ and the October crisis of over 30 years ago, but the movie was very well done.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: steuben on November 29, 2006, 07:01:27 pm
the october crisis...

welcome to canada where we will declare martial law. but be really polite and apolagetic about it.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Nurahk on November 29, 2006, 07:04:53 pm
The whole Quebec situation is idiotic.

English is slowly taking over and all the french people are getting scared that they are going to lose their language so they put in place stupid laws.

We have language police here!  Signs must have french in larger letters than all but english letters (Must be the same size though).  Most of the forms we get are completely francophone and, many of the francophones are so afraid of losing their languages that they will stop talking to you if you sound English.

There is quite a bit of discrimination against non-french speakers and therefore, a lot of discrimination going the other way.  But, it's dissapearing.

And we have poutine, you only get good poutine in Quebec, us frenchies (Datruth :P) realize that "freedom" :P Fries are not the main ingredient, oh no!  It's cheese and gravy.

steuben: War Measures Act got replaced by the Emergencies act.  Martial law now takes a few more days to begin :P
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Idoru on November 29, 2006, 08:04:52 pm
I find it hard to think of anything other than America without all the Americans, I dont mean that as an insult to Americans, its just a cultural thing I suppose.

As for canadians, I think the accent is cute :love: . And the Crash Test Dummies are from there :)
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on November 29, 2006, 08:06:14 pm
I find it hard to think of anything other than America without all the Americans, I dont mean that as an insult to Americans, its just a cultural thing I suppose.

As for canadians, I think the accent is cute :love: . And the Crash Test Dummies are from there :)


Don't forget Neil Young, Surrender Dorothy, Moneen, Kitchens and Bathrooms, and Racheal's!
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Kixie on November 29, 2006, 08:10:05 pm
Well, I think there are 3 basic way of percieving any foreign land.

1) You know nothing about it, so in your mind it is immediately referenced as a black void of nothingness.
2) You know only what people tell you, so it becomes what they describe. This is the majority of American perspectives, because we have a large influence over the masses with media. I think this the largest group in the world, only being rivaled by certain european nations. With a large amount of media on individuals who essentially know nothing about a certain place, a large bias is made and generalizations ensue. This isn't saying American's are dumb per se, as the amount of potential bigotry is lying in a large amount of the people on earth; the only difference is that Americans have a very easy access to media.
3) You know very much about a subject, and you can see the place for it's dirence heritage, history and influence on the rest of the world.

Frankly, as far as Canada goes, I reside in #2. I know a little from French class, but besides little factoids, I only know about skating, some creepy snow man, and a whole bunch of british guys. That's about it. Oh, and those elite comedians.
 :whistling:
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Idoru on November 29, 2006, 08:18:52 pm
Quote
Don't forget Neil Young, Surrender Dorothy, Moneen, Kitchens and Bathrooms, and Racheal's!

Now heres a good question, Is it possible to forget something you never knew  ;D
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on November 29, 2006, 08:20:04 pm
I once convinced some Americans that our toilet water would freeze during winter and we had to worry about polar bear attacks while walking to school.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Idoru on November 29, 2006, 08:22:30 pm
 ;D that is one of the funniest things ive ever heard
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Akaye on November 29, 2006, 08:27:39 pm
An american asked me one time if I used a snow sled and dogs to get around.  ??? We do have cars, honest.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Nurahk on November 29, 2006, 08:33:00 pm
Dog sleds are possibly the best way to travel, by the way.

Them and skidoos...oh and fourwheelers :D
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Monketh on November 29, 2006, 10:06:25 pm
I find it hard to think of anything other than America without all the Americans, I dont mean that as an insult to Americans, its just a cultural thing I suppose.

As for canadians, I think the accent is cute :love: . And the Crash Test Dummies are from there :)

Yeah, I get the impression that Canada is America without Americans.  (I somehow feel that the "English origin" countries --AU, UK, CA, US-- have a bit of a bond.)

Battlestar Galactica is filmed in Vancouver.  I hear a lot of Sci-fi is filmed there.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on November 29, 2006, 10:56:19 pm
two words: Denny Crane
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Kelod on November 29, 2006, 11:18:55 pm
from Ohio, USA

marijuana, bacon, 18+ drinking excursions, cheating the US monetary system by getting Canadian quarters and using em in pop machines...

me likey
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Coneitic on November 30, 2006, 12:45:34 am
Canadas very arrogant. Tho they have a great country they do have problems. But they find a way point out americas flaws and where they succeed as america cant, to overshadow their own problems. But hey its cool.

Your america's Hat...

lol just playing canadas alright, gotta love vancover [smoke smoke smoke]. and the health care. but i stand by what i said to begin with.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Robinmagus on November 30, 2006, 12:59:38 am
You know, I have been thinking of moving out when I'm on my own. Australia and Canada have been my two top choices so far...I'm pretty much down to kangaroos vs. "eh?"
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on November 30, 2006, 01:06:17 am
Apparently Australia has a severe shortage of men due to their tradition of "walkabout". It seems that on their world travels a lot of the men find wives and settle down while the women return home more often. Just what I've heard, it might be an urban legend.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Nurahk on November 30, 2006, 01:07:20 am
Canadas very arrogant. Tho they have a great country they do have problems. But they find a way point out americas flaws and where they succeed as america cant, to overshadow their own problems. But hey its cool.

Your america's Hat...

lol just playing canadas alright, gotta love vancover [smoke smoke smoke]. and the health care. but i stand by what i said to begin with.

Yes bloody Canadas with their grammar :P

Although I do agree completely, we're good at hiding the bad and showing the good.

Robinmagus, Canada has better beer.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: LARAGORN on November 30, 2006, 01:17:58 am
mmmmmmm (http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/LARAGORN/bigbeer.gif)

Oh and dont forget earthquakes, we had one last night a 4.5
Woke me up out of a dead sleep, it is the 5th I have felt here in Sudbury, probly due to the minning.
Sudbury is still one of the largest nickle producers in the world, If not the largest I forget.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on November 30, 2006, 01:24:52 am
Sudbury huh? Keep your eyes peeled, I hear NASA is planning another moon mission, you might see some astronauts round about then, if you are lucky!
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: LARAGORN on November 30, 2006, 01:28:48 am
Sudbury huh? Keep your eyes peeled, I hear NASA is planning another moon mission, you might see some astronauts round about then, if you are lucky!
LOL we arent known as 'Rock City' for nothing :D
But that was a few decades ago, there is loads of greenery here now.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Akaye on November 30, 2006, 01:59:33 am
Quote from: Coneitic
Canadas very arrogant. Tho they have a great country they do have problems. But they find a way point out americas flaws and where they succeed as america cant, to overshadow their own problems. But hey its cool.

I personally think your statement is pretty arrogant and I see your opinion of Canada fallen into the general stereo type that some seem to have about Canada. It is sad really. Maybe SOME canadians are arrogant and believe what you stated. What bothered me about your statment is that you said Canada in general. It just simply is not true, at least not for me.  Maybe the media might make it appear that way, but it doesn't mean this is how canadians perceive the USA or their own country. I have never felt Canada was better than the USA. I mean the general attitude from the people (canadians) I know here is that we are just americans with health care and less populated for a country.

Don't beleive everything you hear ......
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on November 30, 2006, 02:09:24 am
Canadas very arrogant. Tho they have a great country they do have problems. But they find a way point out americas flaws and where they succeed as america cant, to overshadow their own problems. But hey its cool.

Your america's Hat...

lol just playing canadas alright, gotta love vancover [smoke smoke smoke]. and the health care. but i stand by what i said to begin with.


Maybe you meant to say "observant" when you wrote "arrogant".  Your post doesn't make much sense otherwise.:)
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on November 30, 2006, 02:26:12 am
I thought it was a fair comment if not completely accurate. There is a fair amount of America bashing that goes on up here. For the most part it is not directed specifically at the average American but rather at the elite as represented by the corporate oligarchs and governing classes.  We certainly have our problems we would rather gloss over and it helps us feel better to point at the giant next door as the source of many of them. Some are of our own making of course and more are left over from British rule.

We are inordinately proud of our ability to go places in the world were Americans are not welcome and laugh and point at the Americans abroad who wear the maple leaf for protection when the fact is that the Americans do take a lot of the flack for us. Like it or not we are with them when the chips are down.

If you don't think Canada is better than the U.S. at least a little bit then you are not very patriotic. It is the best place in the world! Of course I would expect an American to feel the same about the U.S. or even a Russian about Russia. Besides if we can't take a ribbing from our best friend who can we take a ribbing from?
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Akaye on November 30, 2006, 02:37:43 am
Quote from: bilbous
If you don't think Canada is better than the U.S. at least a little bit then you are not very patriotic.

That's a little insulting bilbous, I have mad love for my country. For you to say I am not patriotic because I don't believe Canada is the better country then the USA is rather stupid. Speaking of arrogant canadians ....... 
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on November 30, 2006, 02:40:06 am
I think that Royal Canadian Air Farce reruns should be required viewing for anyone who thinks Canadians are arrogant.

As far as patriotism goes, I think it's a stupid and dangerous concept which we are better off without.  Love your fellow man.  Nations are dead.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Akaye on November 30, 2006, 02:43:15 am
Quote from: zanzibar
I think that Royal Canadian Air Farce reruns should be required viewing for anyone who thinks Canadians are arrogant.

I second that quote.  :sorcerer:
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on November 30, 2006, 02:45:48 am
Sorry you feel that way. It wasn't meant as an insult. It was meant as a reflection of the natural tendency to prefer where you are from to where you are not. Is there nothing about Canada that you think is better than anywhere else? I find it hard to believe but I concede it is possible. I certainly did not mean to suggest that you had to think all things about Canada are better than any thing elsewhere just that the familiar is more comfortable than the pretty much similar unfamiliar.

Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on November 30, 2006, 03:47:09 am
Sorry you feel that way. It wasn't meant as an insult. It was meant as a reflection of the natural tendency to prefer where you are from to where you are not. Is there nothing about Canada that you think is better than anywhere else? I find it hard to believe but I concede it is possible. I certainly did not mean to suggest that you had to think all things about Canada are better than any thing elsewhere just that the familiar is more comfortable than the pretty much similar unfamiliar.





I think there are many great things about Canada.  I also stand by my slightly earlier comment.  They do not contradict.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: neko kyouran on November 30, 2006, 03:48:04 am
Since I'm in Ohio, we get the cbc as one of our cable channels.  Best hour of tv:  Red Green, then Air Farce.  Chicken cannon is the best invention ever.  I don't get half the jokes, but its great none the less. Oh, and watching hockey on the cbc is better than watching the same game on espn.  Canadins just do hockey coverage better.  And the commercials are better too.

Oh, did I mention Canada has Zorbels?  Cause they do.  :flowers:
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on November 30, 2006, 03:59:52 am
Q:  Who needs a computerized blue line in order to see a black puck on white ice?

Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on November 30, 2006, 04:07:49 am
I kind of liked the Fox "trailer puck" as it can be hard to follow on a small tv with a lot of static. I miss the old days of small arenas and fewer teams when a player had to be tough to survive. These days I mostly only watch the play-offs and then only until the last Canadian team is out. Montreal is overdue for a cup. Sadly, I don't know how they can manage. The Loafs are a laugh and don't deserve to ever win again. Go Sens! Hehheh.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: davo on November 30, 2006, 02:58:52 pm
i really like canadians, very nice and polite and they also speak very quietly and softly lol.

As history goes, canada was started by convicts too right ?

We have lots of canadians living here in australia,  they fit in well.

I know not to mistake canadians for americans at it annoys canadians lol, but ive only ever met one american living here, they never seem to move here.

And no im not going to start putting down americans as the current trend goes.  I only know one american, his accent is funny, and he thought maccas was a different chain of fast food not just aussie slang for mcdonalds.  They are cool ppl.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Nurahk on November 30, 2006, 06:51:48 pm
I agree with davo, Canadians are better :P

And bilbous, we hold the record for stanley cups...and we hold it quite high above everybody else.  The habs are just giving everybody else a chance to catch up.

Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on November 30, 2006, 07:32:52 pm
I know that very well about the Habs, the fact remains that they are long overdue for a cup. A Montreal team has won the cup in every decade since it was first presented, there is not much time left for them to do so in the 2000's. The tradition MUST continue or the NHL may as well go the way of the CFL. :o
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: LARAGORN on November 30, 2006, 07:36:58 pm
I agree with bilbous, in the patriotic area. If you love where you live, it is human nature to feel what you love, is slightly better than anything else. If this statment was untrue, then there would be no conflict in any area, everyone would love everything and everyone all the time (wouldnt that be kewl).
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on November 30, 2006, 07:43:01 pm
I expressed myself poorly, however, in a way that unintentially gave offense.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Akaye on November 30, 2006, 08:42:50 pm
@bilbous: I understand you weren't trying to offend from your last post as you explained what you meant to me. So no worries.

Just to make it clear I love my country but I don't put it above another. This does not make me not patriotic. Patriotic means to show love of ones country. You don't need to point out what you do best as a country to show love for it. Of course there are things we do better, just as there are things that other countries do better at. I just don't go rubbing what we do well in the other countries face. To me that is abit snobbish. I could live in the worst place in the world and still take pride in my country even if it didn't do the best at anything, that is patriotic.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Coneitic on December 01, 2006, 02:43:09 am
Ever see bowling for columbine? the kids they interview from canada make canada look real bad, they should eggs thrown at them!
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on December 01, 2006, 02:56:39 am
Ever see bowling for columbine? the kids they interview from canada make canada look real bad, they should eggs thrown at them!


Really?  I didn't see it that way.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Akaye on December 01, 2006, 07:05:03 am
Quote from: Coneitic
Ever see bowling for columbine? the kids they interview from canada make canada look real bad, they should eggs thrown at them!

Explain how they made themselves look bad? The movie was focused on the USA and it gave a bad image of the country. I think your example was poorly picked.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Stronith on December 01, 2006, 07:20:57 am
Canadas very arrogant. Tho they have a great country they do have problems. But they find a way point out americas flaws and where they succeed as america cant, to overshadow their own problems. But hey its cool.


I AM (proud, not arrogant)


Of course we have problems of our own - it's just that American problems are more entertaining to discuss.  Thank Fox / CNN etc for that. :)
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: The Wandering Djinn on December 01, 2006, 07:56:45 am

Hmm... where would Rock Music in America be since the 1970s if it hadn't been for the contribution made to it by Canadian musicians?

Bachman Turner Overdrive
The Guess Who
Rush

Bryan Adams
Joni Mitchell
Neil Young


....no doubt there are many many more, but these came to mind without resorting to Google Search

Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Stronith on December 01, 2006, 11:48:47 am

Hmm... where would Rock Music in America be since the 1970s if it hadn't been for the contribution made to it by Canadian musicians?


What would Rock Stars in America be without Pamela Anderson? ;)
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Peacer on December 01, 2006, 11:51:36 am

Hmm... where would Rock Music in America be since the 1970s if it hadn't been for the contribution made to it by Canadian musicians?


What would Rock Stars in America be without Pamela Anderson? ;)

Harny
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on December 01, 2006, 02:38:16 pm
What would Rock Stars in America be without Pamela Anderson? ;)


HIV negative.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Idoru on December 01, 2006, 02:39:11 pm
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As far as patriotism goes, I think it's a stupid and dangerous concept which we are better off without.  Love your fellow man.  Nations are dead.

The best thing I have ever heard said on any forums, anywhere, ever. That is exactly what I believe, we need more  :love: for our fellow Humans regardless of race, or nationality.  :flowers:
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on December 01, 2006, 02:42:19 pm
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As far as patriotism goes, I think it's a stupid and dangerous concept which we are better off without.  Love your fellow man.  Nations are dead.

The best thing I have ever heard said on any forums, anywhere, ever. That is exactly what I believe, we need more  :love: for our fellow Humans regardless of race, or nationality.  :flowers:


Planeshift hippies unite! :flowers:
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Kalika on December 01, 2006, 07:14:23 pm
 \\o// ahaha sweeet i agree with Idoru, one of the better things ive heard most anywhere  :flowers:

YAY for being a hippie hehehhe :D
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Helm on December 01, 2006, 10:05:15 pm
Canada...

Canada is the only country to be able to invade America and succeed. It's the country with the same freaguing weather as I had in Finland. It has a very strange red uniform for forest guards. Speaks english in most areas, but mainly french in Quebec.

What else do you want me to say? I have never been there, and we don't exactly talk about Canada in school? We barely speak of anything more East that Germany, or West than Brazil... :P

I guess it is a nice country as any other?
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on December 01, 2006, 10:16:19 pm
Thank you Helm, that was indeed the kind of post I was interested in when I made the thread. I sort of expected that there would not be much news about Canada elsewhere. Even the Americans don't get much news from here.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Idoru on December 01, 2006, 10:28:12 pm
the BBC broadcast when canadian troops get killed in Afghanistan..... not so much about the americans though  ???
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on December 01, 2006, 10:39:37 pm
Did you hear that in the last Bond movie, not the one that just came out, the villain turned out to be a Canadian Naval officer because both the U.S. and British navies were providing support to the movie and neither wanted a member of their forces to be portayed as a traitor? I didn't actually see the movie myself just heard this story.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Helm on December 01, 2006, 10:45:54 pm
"Thank you Helm, that was indeed the kind of post I was interested in when I made the thread."

You are welcome! But I think I was not of such help?  :whistling: I am unfortunately very attached to what I learned in school many many years ago, so the only things I know from Canada is mainly from documentaries and movies. :) My grampa lived in Vancouver for many years, and one of my best friends is from Vancouver, but we tend not to speak much about the country? But I also did my thesis about a city in Germany, and one in Finland, and I barely knew anything about those countries too  :-[, and they are in the same continent as my home land... :)

But the main thing is Canada does not give any bad feeling to me? I always think of it as a very big sympathic country, half non-habited, with lost of beautiful forests, with tons of bears, beautiful ice landscapes, and very busy souhtern capitals! :D
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Akaye on December 01, 2006, 11:15:10 pm
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we don't exactly talk about Canada in school? We barely speak of anything more East that Germany, or West than Brazil... :P

This is why I am grateful for our curriculum in our public schools here in Alberta. We learn about the USA, China, Japan, Middle east, and tons more. I remember disliking it while in school, having the attitude of "why should we learn about other countries when they obviously don't care to learn about us" but from an adult's point of view I am happy the school system made learning about the world and its different cultures and countires mandatory. It is nice to at least know the basic's and differences to our fellow man.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on December 01, 2006, 11:20:47 pm
Really, I just thought it might be a good topic to generate some discussion.

As far as half uninhabited goes you might find this  map  (http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/peopleandsociety/population/population2001/distribution2001) interesting. There are plenty of bears of various types but they are not usually a problem.

Portugal is larger than our three smallest provinces (Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia or New Brunswick) and is a little smaller than the island of Newfoundland which is the big island on the East coast. Canada is very big and vastly underpopulated although much of the country is less than hospitable climactically.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Akaye on December 02, 2006, 12:07:50 am
Holy flying monkey's! I didn't know that the Yukon was that populated. Though a small percentage it was alot more populated than I expected. O.o Thanks for posting that bilbous.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on December 02, 2006, 12:31:36 am
I think that has a lot to do with the Alaska highway built during the 2nd world war. A permanent road does wonders for encouraging population growth.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on December 02, 2006, 04:05:21 am
Really, I just thought it might be a good topic to generate some discussion.

As far as half uninhabited goes you might find this  map  (http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/peopleandsociety/population/population2001/distribution2001) interesting. There are plenty of bears of various types but they are not usually a problem.

Portugal is larger than our three smallest provinces (Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia or New Brunswick) and is a little smaller than the island of Newfoundland which is the big island on the East coast. Canada is very big and vastly underpopulated although much of the country is less than hospitable climactically.



Underpopulated?  That's a term I've never quite understood.  Why is having a larger population always a good thing?
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Kiraki on December 02, 2006, 04:49:03 am
Mmh I think… Green Dragon! I love dragons  :love:  and along with that would be Calypso and Cliff-edge ooooh, and funny names for snakes! Fuzzy bears. Whooping Crane breading grounds– That is such a cute name :D– And Beluga -That too, but, weird in a way and also 400 million year old rocks huge dolomite outcrops and a large variety of volcano types, beautiful mountain ranges, ooh and huge pop-up along there mmhh… and snow, and trees, lots of trees and cool accent and mmh more Canada-like stuff! :D

But yeah, thats just me.  :P

Underpopulated?  That's a term I've never quite understood.  Why is having a larger population always a good thing?

Its not always a bad thing, just harder with less people I guess. ::|  :sweatdrop:
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Stronith on December 02, 2006, 04:53:16 am

Underpopulated? That's a term I've never quite understood. Why is having a larger population always a good thing?

Its not always a bad thing, just harder with less people I guess. ::| :sweatdrop:


This is indeed the case,  here in Alberta there are not enough bodies here to fill all the jobs.   The people moving here to enjoy the employment boom are left with no housing.  They can't build neighborhoods fast enough.  Work in the oil patch and make big bucks, only to have to sleep in a campground because there's nowhere to live.    ::|

Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on December 02, 2006, 05:54:37 am

Underpopulated?  That's a term I've never quite understood.  Why is having a larger population always a good thing?

It was meant to be a neutral descriptive term. Lets look at a comparison   chart  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density).w
As you can see Canada comes in at 3.2 people per kilometer squared, 219th out of 230 listed. It is also about the same size of all 11 countries with less population density combined. Many of these countries are substantially desert or have other extreme habitational challenges. Certainly a large part of Canada is above the tree line but there is also vast areas below that which are quite livable, perhaps challenging but no worse than Finland which has five times the density. Russia which is twice the size of Canada and covers much the same lattitudes has almost three times the density.  Canada has roughly the same density of  Siberia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia)w, which is not geographically as I had envisioned it, being more or less the middle part of Russia. I had always thought it was the extreme northern part of Russia but although some of it is in the extreme north some is also among the more southerly parts of Russia.

Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: lordraleigh on December 02, 2006, 06:12:07 am
Two words: Welfare State

Besides that, mostly as a very liberal country(the "Holland" of this continent) where alternative lifestyles aren't restricted by excess of misjudgements and conservatism.

Well and that is all... Here Canada is rarely mentioned.

And also the only other thing I got about it is from the South Park movie with the music "Blame Canada" and Terrence & Philip(I won't say more because it will be both a spoiler and a load of coarse language. It is difficult to talk about South Park without using certain kinds of words  :D )
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Helm on December 02, 2006, 10:25:00 am

This is why I am grateful for our curriculum in our public schools here in Alberta. We learn about the USA, China, Japan, Middle east, and tons more.

Oops, I think i did not explain myself very well. We actually talk a little bit about the whole world in the classes. One of the greatest assets of our Geography studies, is that 10 years afterwards, we are still able to quickly find any country on a map. Ok ok, maybe if you ask something like Tazarquistan we won't find it that quickly...  :whistling:

The only problem is that in detail we cover only the area I reffered. I can tell you who participated in the 100 years war, who was the liberator of Venezuela, what is Tokugawa, and which families rulled over Prussia. But countries to which we do not have an historical or geographical strong relationship, are left a little bit behind. This includes Canada, New Zeland, most of the arab countries, Corea, etc etc.

Besides, I was in an art school. When I said I did not know that much about Germany or Finland, I meant social and political history. I can telll you all the wonders of the art movements of Germany from the 15th to the 21st century... :D It's just... well... Canada needs to start an avant guard art movement too!!!!!!!

We do have a nice curriculum in school too. But the key question is: "has the country/ culture been important in our development"?
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Akaye on December 03, 2006, 12:39:34 am
Quote from: lordraleigh
Two words: Welfare State

Can you explain what you mean by Welfare State? Do you mean Canada is a welfare state? If so why are you left with that impression?
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: lordraleigh on December 03, 2006, 01:06:22 am
Quote from: lordraleigh
Two words: Welfare State

Can you explain what you mean by Welfare State? Do you mean Canada is a welfare state? If so why are you left with that impression?

Vitalicious unemployment insurance from the government, last thing I heard about Canada... (Few guys simply live with the "insurance" and never work, but this is not a neoliberal rant, a somewhat acceptable side effect). Here information on Canada is very limited... if not old, so I can imagine by that thing Canada follows the economics of Keynes.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on December 03, 2006, 01:17:48 am
Well there is welfare in Canada, the maximum monthly paymen for a single person is a little over $600, pretty hard to live on. Unemployment is a government taxation scam which is supposed to cover workers temporarily out of work. That payout is something like 2/3 of your last wage but you need to have worked for a minimum number of week in order to collect. There is a monthly deduction taken from all workers many of whom will never be in a position to collect and some of whom would be ineligible to collect even if they lost their jobs. It has been tweeked over the years to become a cash cow for the government taking in far more in payroll deductions than ever get payed out to the unemployed. The excess cash goes into general revenue. I think there are few if any countries in the western (read developed) world which have no system of providing for the poor.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Holdan on December 03, 2006, 01:36:33 am
Lol, Canada...


*Pats the Canadians on the head.*

I perceive Canada as the home of funny comedians... in short I don't mind Canada, they have supported the united states, and for that they have earned some reconition(sp?)

Mainly though, it is the out spoken Canadian Scalywags who bash the states that make me sour aginst their nation of the north. But I have many Canadians friends, so they're cool with me... so long as they don't annoy me with their patriotism and nationalism...


Edit: btw, Hippies burn with the witches... Muhahahaha
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: iceddragons on December 03, 2006, 02:30:53 am
What Canada is to me:

North
Easy to get into.
Easy to get lost in.
Hard to get out of.
Where Toronto is
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Akaye on December 03, 2006, 04:06:44 am
Thanks for clarifying lordraleigh. What bilbous posted is how it works. Some do manage to find loop holes in the unemployment benefits and make false claims but that only lasts a short period of time before they catch you. You don't get away with it either, they make you pay back what your borrowed. When you do your taxes, if you owe unemployment insurance then it comes off your tax return.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on December 03, 2006, 04:28:20 am
Can you explain what you mean by Welfare State? Do you mean Canada is a welfare state? If so why are you left with that impression?

It means that the Canadian government takes measures to ensure that all citizens are living at at least a certain basic standard of living.

@Bilbous's response, welfare is much less of a burden on society than say... corporate tax cuts or pollution.


I perceive Canada as the home of funny comedians... in short I don't mind Canada, they have supported the united states, and for that they have earned some reconition(sp?)

Canada has earned more recognition for its differences between itself and the United States.  Canada is pro gay marriage, anti the Iraq war, pro Kyoto, pro peace keeping, pro the decriminalization of marijuana, pro public education, pro public healthcare, pro gun control etc.


Mainly though, it is the out spoken Canadian Scalywags who bash the states that make me sour aginst their nation of the north. But I have many Canadians friends, so they're cool with me... so long as they don't annoy me with their patriotism and nationalism...

Don't forget how everything is bigger in Texas.

Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on December 03, 2006, 05:06:21 am

It means that the Canadian government takes measures to ensure that all citizens are living at at least a certain basic standard of living.

@Bilbous's response, welfare is much less of a burden on society than say... corporate tax cuts or pollution.



Say what now? Oh wait,  you are offering that as a response to what I said and not a restatement of what I said, right? Pardon my misunderstanding. Please try to give preference to clarity over brevity. I'm a little slow sometimes. I was thrown by the comma and would have understood better with a colon. I am not certain which would have been more grammatically correct.

All I was trying to do was give a short description of what could be termed our welfare system. I touched on social services (welfare program) and the unemployment program, separate aspects for you who are from elsewhere. The welfare programs are administered municipally under the direction of the provincial governments and the unemployment programs are adminstered federally. I certainly did not try to give a complete picture of Canadian society.

As far as the relative merits of your examples I choose not to go into that right now but please continue if you wish.

Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on December 03, 2006, 05:16:34 am
I'm sorry, but weren't you trying to suggest that unemployment insurance is a government scam?
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on December 03, 2006, 05:39:48 am
Isn't it really? They keep raising the payroll deductions and making it harder it harder to qualify which generates huge surpluses which they suck into general revenues. They spend, for example, 2 billion dollars for a gun registry with a projected 2 million dollar cost, setting up private trusts worth 9 billion dollars and with no government oversight. Of course not all the misspent money comes from unemployment 'premiums' but then you have to look at the qualifying regulations that seasonal workers on either coast to work four months of the year and collect unemployment the rest of the year, while the worker in Ontario has to work for twice as long to qualify and gets cut off much sooner. It really isn't an insurance program it is just another payroll tax. It is far from what it was touted to be when it was brought in. It is all very legal but that does not mean that it isn't portayed deceptively.

It was designed to help all Canadians in need when it was started but has become little more than a way to transfer wealth from the richer provinces to the poorer ones.

After you have been lied to by the politicians for 30-odd years you will probably lose some of your idealism.
Canada is no different from anywhere else in that respect.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on December 03, 2006, 05:48:13 am
It was designed to help all Canadians in need when it was started but has become little more than a way to transfer wealth from the richer provinces to the poorer ones.

Dude.  Reread that a few times.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on December 03, 2006, 06:21:41 am
Makes perfect sense to me. Perhaps you could tell me what I am supposed to see in it.

Please reread this a few times:
Quote
Please try to give preference to clarity over brevity.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on December 03, 2006, 06:25:13 am
If it's purpose is to redistribute wealth from the wealthy to the poor, and its effect is to redistribute wealth from the wealthy to the poor, then....

Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: neko kyouran on December 03, 2006, 06:25:49 am
In a place where money makes the world go round, the poor are the ones that need the help, so if its moving money from the rich, who don't need the help, to the poor that do need the help, then it's serving its purpose is it not?
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on December 03, 2006, 06:27:51 am
The problem is waste, but waste exists in the United States just as much as it does in Canada.  More so, really.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on December 03, 2006, 06:49:43 am
I guess  we are showing people that Canadians like to argue...

Oh and complain about the government and politicians.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Akaye on December 03, 2006, 06:14:29 pm
Can you explain what you mean by Welfare State? Do you mean Canada is a welfare state? If so why are you left with that impression?
It means that the Canadian government takes measures to ensure that all citizens are living at at least a certain basic standard of livin

Thanks for answering Zanzibar but  question wasn't for you and I wasn't asking for the definition of Welfare. I was asking for lordraleigh to explain his one lined statement so I could understand if I had it right before I answered him. I know the definition, otherwise I would have asked "What does welfare mean?" :/ if I didn't.

Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on December 03, 2006, 06:25:36 pm
Can you explain what you mean by Welfare State? Do you mean Canada is a welfare state? If so why are you left with that impression?
It means that the Canadian government takes measures to ensure that all citizens are living at at least a certain basic standard of livin

Thanks for answering Zanzibar but  question wasn't for you and I wasn't asking for the definition of Welfare. I was asking for lordraleigh to explain his one lined statement so I could understand if I had it right before I answered him. I know the definition, otherwise I would have asked "What does welfare mean?" :/ if I didn't.




Welfare is different from welfare state.  Being a welfare state implies a lot more than just welfare.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Idoru on December 03, 2006, 06:27:22 pm
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I guess  we are showing people that Canadians like to argue...

Oh and complain about the government and politicians.

and thats what makes  them more like the British than Americans are  ;)

Do Canadians generally turn out to vote? or is that like in Britain aswell where apathy is rife?
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on December 03, 2006, 06:28:25 pm
Canadians like to argue.  Americans just like to say they're right and everyone else is wrong.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: LARAGORN on December 03, 2006, 06:38:06 pm
Canadians like to argue.  Americans just like to say they're right and everyone else is wrong.

Sory Zan, but I had to laugh at that statment comming from you :D
no offence intended, just an observation.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on December 03, 2006, 06:40:40 pm
The last federal election had a 60% turnout. Not the worst in the would but lots of room for improvement. For more information you can peruse the Elections Canada site and the statistics (http://www.elections.ca/scripts/OVR2004/default.html) from the last general election
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Idoru on December 03, 2006, 07:15:20 pm
60%  X-/

In the UK we are lucky to hit 40% for General elections and 30% for local elections......

....But we dont have much choice, Both major parties are pretty much indistinguishable from each other.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Akaye on December 03, 2006, 07:30:06 pm
Quote from: zanzibar
Welfare is different from welfare state.  Being a welfare state implies a lot more than just welfare.

*sighs* Congrats on another useless one liner post that has no meaning to any of what I said. One more for the post count I suppose.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on December 03, 2006, 07:39:46 pm
There isn't much choice here either. There is the Liberal party and the 'anyone but Liberal party' which is usually some type of Conservative party. Typically whoever panders to Quebec the most (seemingly the Liberal parties raison d'etre) wins but from time to time the rest of the country gets represented. I believe that in the last fifty years there have been less than 10 in which the Prime Minister hasn't been from Quebec. Most of that 10 years would have been at the start of the 50. The socialist NDP party exist apparently for the sole purpose of coming up with ideas for the Liberal party to steal. The Bloc Quebequois is a party officially dedicated to Quebec independence but in practice is apparently about extorting concessions from the rest of the country. I don't think the majority of their supporters would enjoy the result if independence was achieved. that is my personal opinion and the topic is highly controversial here.

Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on December 03, 2006, 07:49:02 pm
Quote from: zanzibar
Welfare is different from welfare state.  Being a welfare state implies a lot more than just welfare.

*sighs* Congrats on another useless one liner post that has no meaning to any of what I said. One more for the post count I suppose.


It's very much connected and I don't understand why you don't understand.  From the tone of your post, it's obvious that you don't want to know, so I won't bother explaining it.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Sharakaz on December 03, 2006, 08:23:59 pm
Canada? Cold country populated by bears and salmon.
I don't know any people comming from Canada.
The only news about Canada running over here is the occasional shooting of Canadian soldiers by American planes in Afghanistan or when they try to claim danish territory :o (Hans Ø)
The sterotype of Canadians is tea-drinking, skiing people dressed in a parka

So all in all I don't know alot about this silent country
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on December 03, 2006, 08:39:16 pm
Hmm Looks like Hans Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Island) is closer to Canada than to Greenland to me but I'll be generous why don't we split it down the middle where the border already appears to be? If only the politicians were so sensible. It isn't like anyone is going to live there anytime soon.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Sharakaz on December 03, 2006, 08:44:32 pm
Don't you canadians already have enough islands? :P

We can't split it though. We planted most flags on it ;)
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Idoru on December 03, 2006, 09:01:11 pm
lol, I just read that Wiki article.....

.... oh my, that does sound petty lol

It sounds sort of like the UK and the Faklands, except we atleast have british citizens living there. Not sure if that was worth going to war with Argentina over and losing a few hundred lives on each side.

Does Denmark really have soverignty over Greenland??? thats news to me.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on December 03, 2006, 09:06:05 pm
But we have more indiginous troops patroling it. Did you take a look at that picture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hans_Island_001.jpg) taken reportedly from one of your boats? The picture actually appears to be from a plane. What an unattractive piece of dirt. Might make a good gas station.

And yes Greenland is a Danish self-governed territory.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Sharakaz on December 03, 2006, 09:10:33 pm
If we controlled the island we could control the waters between that and Greenland as the article says. This could be important if more ice melted further north as you might be able to fare to the pacific ocean north of canada by sea
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on December 03, 2006, 09:33:14 pm
You mean you could claim dominion of two thirds of the channel instead of just half? What a ridiculous idea. Canadians could use the same silly justification for us owning it. What possible difference would that make?

Oh yeah! Stop facilitating illegal immigration (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story/2006/11/14/grise-romanian.html) to Canada. A danish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_pastry) is something to be eaten, and not argued with. 8)

That story was truly bizarre and I'm just kidding around in the second half of the post.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Sharakaz on December 03, 2006, 10:07:28 pm
Something like that

Well actually you coud have the island if it was up to me but only if you also take Greenland :P
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on December 03, 2006, 10:11:43 pm
We are pretty good allies I think though we don't know each other well. How about we merge our contries so you caould benefit from NAFTA and we would be part of the EU.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Idoru on December 03, 2006, 10:39:29 pm
Quote
How about we merge our contries so you caould benefit from NAFTA and we would be part of the EU.

I love that Idea, although I doubt that many of the politicians on either side would be willing ;)

Why would it not be sensible to say that no-one owns that island?
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on December 03, 2006, 11:17:10 pm
Well if you look at the wikipedia article you can see that one person has already claimed to visit it and declare it an independent country.

Man, I made a lot of typos in that post.

By the way did you hear that Canada has just deployed Leopard tanks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_tank) in Afghanistan? It is the first time Canadian tanks have been deployed since the Korean War. The Conservative minority government has an armed forces retooling plan and I guess they want to get some use out of the Leopards before they are retired from service. This whole Afghanistan business is a mess but when the UN comes calling Canada has usually answered.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Idoru on December 03, 2006, 11:47:32 pm
OMG!! Canada  really uses a 40 year old tank for active duty???

that is quite bad.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on December 03, 2006, 11:55:00 pm
Hence, I think the reason for deploying them, so they'll get shot up and have to be replaced. God bless those brave maniacs who will have to drive them around and be targets. Forty years of Liberal neglect have come to this.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Joshed Delerer on December 04, 2006, 12:13:20 am
I love living in Canada. Its a great place to live. You learn so much more because of all the nationalities based within a small area. We had Italian neighbors for about 3 years and in that time before Daria passed away and the rest of the family moved i learned quite a bit of the italian language and about Italy itself, and now we have a family from Ukraine living next door.

Also we have Tim Hortons and kick butt beer commercials that make you proud to be Canadian, no offense but lets see the US come up with something like that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRI-A3vakVg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beGoTCErynE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=252wbfBdv6E
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Raiyx on December 04, 2006, 12:19:45 am
Two words:

Mike Myers.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4b/Austin3b.jpg/250px-Austin3b.jpg)
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Post by: Joshed Delerer on December 04, 2006, 12:21:29 am
yeah baby YEAH
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Loto on December 04, 2006, 12:36:45 am
Geese & Maple syrup.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on December 04, 2006, 02:52:11 am
I love living in Canada. Its a great place to live. You learn so much more because of all the nationalities based within a small area. We had Italian neighbors for about 3 years and in that time before Daria passed away and the rest of the family moved i learned quite a bit of the italian language and about Italy itself, and now we have a family from Ukraine living next door.

Also we have Tim Hortons and kick butt beer commercials that make you proud to be Canadian, no offense but lets see the US come up with something like that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRI-A3vakVg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beGoTCErynE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=252wbfBdv6E



Tim Hortons is owned by Wendy's.  It's American.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on December 04, 2006, 03:07:37 am
Here's a little bit of Canadian history.

In the early 1970's, le front de liberation du québec abducted several politicians, even killing one.  In response, the Prime Minister deployed the army to keep the peace and protect the people.

The gem of Trudeau's comments are in the last 20 seconds of the film, but the entire 6 minutes is an important snapshot of how Canadian society thinks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7_a2wa2dd4
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Joshed Delerer on December 04, 2006, 03:11:23 am
Tim Hortons was originally Canadian and bought out by an american, but to me it will always be canadian
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on December 04, 2006, 03:17:18 am
Tim Hortons was originally Canadian and bought out by an american, but to me it will always be canadian

It only goes to show that the millions of dollars they've dumped into advertising have not gone to waste.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: LigH on December 04, 2006, 10:42:17 am
My opinion:

In Germany, Canadians are usually known as proud citizen - proud of their country, of their wild and cold landscape, proud of their mounties (well, there was this funny TV series about a Mountie in Chicago). Also I remember that canadians are used to be misunderstood ("Canadian Bacon" / "Unsere feindlichen Nachbarn" - John Candy, James Belushi). :D

My english teacher in an employers education course was a canadian - he claimed to be more or less a neighbor of David Duchovny. He told us a few details about the canadian arctic river and island area. And the confusion around Alaska.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: neko kyouran on December 04, 2006, 10:49:28 am
confusion around alaska?
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: miadon on December 04, 2006, 12:22:45 pm
Well Alaska was part of Russia, but the USA bought it off of them. Always wondered  what the cold war would have been like if Russia has still owned Alaska.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Idoru on December 04, 2006, 01:07:41 pm
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there was this funny TV series about a Mountie in Chicago

Yeah, Due South :) I loved that series. And the deaf wolf...... Diefenbaker i think :D
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: neko kyouran on December 04, 2006, 01:39:45 pm
I'm still not getting the confusion.  All I see is a further example of USA buying land from people knowing how good it is, but then not nearly paying them for what it's worth.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Kiern on December 05, 2006, 01:31:28 am
Cancer Bats are from Canada.

Therefore, Canada is badass.

...
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Akaye on December 05, 2006, 01:33:49 am
Cancer Bats are from Canada.

Therefore, Canada is badass.

...

 :o What's Cancer bats? I googled and found that you could possibly be talking about a band? Am I correct?
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Kalika on December 05, 2006, 03:36:35 am
Cancer Bats are from Canada.

Therefore, Canada is badass.

...

 :o What's Cancer bats? I googled and found that you could possibly be talking about a band? Am I correct?


oh it was terrible, i read the original quote and was like "oh no!" bats are spreading cancer now! :'( then i thought how scary someone would think thats badass...and then i realized from your quote that i like to blow things out of proportion eheheh :P
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Geemi on December 05, 2006, 12:24:40 pm
Well, Canada is too far from where I live and we have no direct news from it.....But the only thing I can say is that if the world is nowadays doomed to deal with Celine Dion, well it's your fault  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Idoru on December 05, 2006, 02:12:56 pm
Yeah, and Shania Twain....

.....Why do you keep doing this to the world?  :P
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Izman111 on December 05, 2006, 04:46:52 pm
well...im canadian and it's...well...nice up here... and... god this is difficult talking about an adverage life! ive been to America and here... the only difference is we have mor treez. we enjoy hockey. and...thats it

PS. this American was trying to scam my dad at the liquor store. he was buying himself a lottery ticket. then my dad caught him and his boss came and yelled at him in spanish cause his scam didn't work O_o

So far my experiance was kinda...rough...O_o
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Helm on December 05, 2006, 11:57:45 pm
Yeah, and Shania Twain....

.....Why do you keep doing this to the world?  :P

Shania Twain???????? Honey, there is only one thing we blame Canada. And that is Celine Dion!  ::|
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: steuben on December 06, 2006, 12:13:08 am
*sings*
 blame Canada!
*/sings*

now that was a cia funded movie
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on December 06, 2006, 12:23:41 am
Don't forget mr. Lonely Boy, Paul Anka from just up the street here.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: LARAGORN on December 06, 2006, 01:12:08 am
Dont.... forget.... Captain...James ..T....Kirk!  Will Shatner
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on December 06, 2006, 01:31:05 am
You mean Denny Crane of Crane Poole and Schmidt?
Boston Legal is a hoot.
Far better than T.J. Hooker or Tek Wars. Might be his finest work ever although he is a supporting player.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Raiyx on December 06, 2006, 06:45:16 am
Did anyone ever see Canadian Bacon?

A great movie.  So many awesome quotes from that movie.
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Post by: zorbels on December 06, 2006, 10:53:47 am
/me takes a deep breath and begins to type.

 :) This is what I could put together for Canadian entertainment for Solo artists, bands, actors and actresses. I didn't add what was already in the thead. Feel free to add more if you would like. 

Canadian Solo artist:

Nelly Furtado: Musician. "Fly like a bird" , "Maneater"
Bryan Adams: Musician. "Cuts Like a Knife", "Everything I Do, I Do It For You"
Jann Arden: Musician. "Living Under June"
Corey Hart: Musician. "Sunglasses at Night"
Jeff Healey: Musician. "Angel Eyes", "Confidence Man"
K.D. Lang: Musician. "Absolute Torch and Twang", "Ingenue"
Sarah McLachlan: Musician. "Fumbling Towards Ecstasy"
Alanis Morissette: Musician. "You Oughta Know", "Jagged Little Pill"
Anne Murray: Musician. "Snowbird", "You Needed Me"
Neil Young: Musician. "Heart of Gold", "Southern Man", "Powderfinger"
Paul Shaffer: Musician. band leader on "The Late Show with David Letterman"
Jane Siberry: Musician. "Mimi on the Beach", "Love is Everything",biography
Tom Cochrane: Musician "Life is a highway"

Canadian Bands:

Blue Rodeo: Band.
The Tragically Hip: Band. "New Orleans is Sinking"
Barenaked Ladies: Band. "If I Had $1,000,000", "Be My Yoko Ono"
The Cowboy Junkies: Band. "The Trinity Session", "Black-Eyed Man"
The Crash Test Dummies: Band. "God Shuffled His Feet", "Mmm, Mmm, Mmm, Mmm"
The Guess Who: Band. "American Woman"
Rush: Band. "The Spirit of Radio", "Tom Sawyer", newsgroup
Skinny Puppy: Band. "Addiction", "Stairs and Flowers"

Canadian Actors and Actresses:

Rachel Blanchard: Actress. "Clueless"
Andrea Martin: Comedienne, Actress. "SCTV", "Star Trek: DS9"
John Candy: Comedian, Actor. "SCTV"
Jim Carrey: Comedian, Actor. "The Mask", "Ace Ventura: Pet Detective", "The Truman Show"
James Doohan: Actor. Scotty on "Star Trek"
Kim Cattrall: Actress. "Star Trek VI"
Sarah Polley: Actress. "The Adventures of Baron Munchausen", "Exotica"
Matt Frewer: Actor. played "Max Headroom", "Honey, I Shrunk the Kids", "Star Trek:TNG"
Eric McCormack: Actor. "Will & Grace", "Street Justice"
Jillian Hennessy: Actress. "Law and Order"
Margot Kidder : Actress. Lois Lane in "Superman"
Robert Goulet: Singer, Actor. "Naked Gun 2 1/2: The Smell of Fear"
Mia Kirshner: Actress. "Exotica", "Love and Human Remains", "Mad City", 'Anna Karenina" 
Lois Maxwell: Actress. played Moneypenny in the James Bond movies, starting with "Dr. No"
Carrie-Anne Moss: Actress. "The Matrix", "Memento"
Paul Gross: Actor. "Due South", "Buried on Sunday"
David Manners: Actor, Author. "Dracula" (1930), "The Mummy"
Pamela Anderson: Actress. "Baywatch", "Barb Wire"
Howie Mandel: Comedian, Actor. "St. Elsewhere" "Deal or no deal"
Catherine O'Hara: Comedienne, Actress. "SCTV" "Beetlejuice", "Home Alone"
Neve Campbell: Actress. "Party of Five"
Phil Hartman: Actor, Comedian. "Saturday Night Live", "News Radio"
Dan Aykroyd: Comedian, Actor. "Saturday Night Live", "The Blues Brothers"
Norm MacDonald: Comedian, Actor: "Saturday Night Live"
Mark McKinney: Comedian. "Kids in the Hall", "Saturday Night Live"
Martin Short: Comedian, Actor. "SCTV", "Saturday Night Live", "Clifford"
Scott Thompson: Comedian, Actor. "Kids in the Hall"
David Foley: Comedian, Actor. "Kids in the Hall", "News Radio"
Bruce McCulloch: Comedian. "Kids in the Hall"
Kevin McDonald: Comedian. "Kids in the Hall"
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Idoru on December 06, 2006, 11:07:43 am
Wow, that is quite an extensive list....

....are you tying to make us forget about Shania Twain and Celine Dion?  :P

It didnt work  ;)
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Peacer on December 06, 2006, 12:05:29 pm
teh metal

Nanochrist - Industrial metal band (http://www.nanochrist.com/)
Ivory Knight - Melodic power metal band from Ottawa, Canada. (http://www.ivoryknight.com/)
Septimus Female-fronted heavy metal band from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. (http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/7560/)
Hammerbag, Canadian hard rock/metal band. (http://www.hammerbag.com)
Horde of Worms - Canadian black/grind/death metal band. (http://members.tripod.com/~WORM_3/index.html)
Riff Raff - Formed in 1987, this Saskatchewan Canada heavy metal rock band has performed across Canada during the last 12 years. (http://www.lawfordmedia.com/media/riffraff/)
lists

http://www.heavyharmonies.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_metal_bands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_metal
http://www.gigmasters.com/Metal/MetalBand_Canada.asp
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Helm on December 06, 2006, 02:28:31 pm
Nelly Furtado is Luso-Canadian :P

Tom Cochrane is Canadian? Then you are forgiven for Celine Dion! :D

P.S.: I forgot... One of my favourite singers is from Canada... :) Lorenna Mckenneth (I thinkk this is the way you write it...   :love:)
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Karyuu on December 06, 2006, 05:35:06 pm
Loreena McKennitt! Mummer's Dance :D I adore her.

/me high-fives Helm
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: LARAGORN on December 06, 2006, 05:44:11 pm
Exellent list Zorbs :)
there are a few actors left out : http://particle.physics.ucdavis.edu/Canadians/actors.html

and a few musicians : http://particle.physics.ucdavis.edu/Canadians/musicians.html


Yay Canada !
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zorbels on December 06, 2006, 09:34:23 pm
Exellent list Zorbs :)
there are a few actors left out : http://particle.physics.ucdavis.edu/Canadians/actors.html

and a few musicians : http://particle.physics.ucdavis.edu/Canadians/musicians.html


Yay Canada !

HA ha ha, that is the list I used after I brain stormed a whole bunch of canadian actors/actresses and musicians to put movies or songs they produced or took part in beside their names so people could recognize them just in case they didn't with the name. I guess I could have posted the links but it was 3:00am in the morning when I did my list and I didn't think of it.  :-\  Thanks LARAGORN for posting them.

Zorbels seconds the yay canada

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Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Raiyx on December 06, 2006, 09:48:57 pm
The list doesn't include Alex Trebec  :'(

But Phil Hartman's on there.  Which just makes my day.  :D
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: LARAGORN on December 07, 2006, 05:59:43 am
The list doesn't include Alex Trebec  :'(

But Phil Hartman's on there.  Which just makes my day.  :D

Well.. if there is anything good to say about Trebec, Trebec usually says it himself (maybe he was left out intentionaly) :D

I agree with Hartman :thumbup:
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: neko kyouran on December 07, 2006, 06:06:01 am
Did anyone mention these guys yet? http://www.deadtroll.com/

Comedy band.  I'm pretty sure they are from Canada.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Kalika on December 09, 2006, 11:18:48 pm
The list doesn't include Alex Trebec  :'(

But Phil Hartman's on there.  Which just makes my day.  :D

phil hartman rocks my socks...too abd hes gone :/ simpsons will never be the same :(
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: chazarus on December 10, 2006, 04:25:03 am
Phil Hartman is the best and i give you one of his best works ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9ykXQRmnCI&mode=related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9ykXQRmnCI&mode=related&search=)
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Raiyx on December 10, 2006, 11:54:58 am
One thing that always reminded me of phil hartman was toonces, the cat who could drive a car... just not very well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VQmCZ4f78I

He always was the one who read the title of the scetch, "Toonces!  The Cat who could drive a car."
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: LARAGORN on December 10, 2006, 04:24:45 pm
Why not a few more, from our beloved Phil;


The Kiss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWBdcqp8rKY)
Slice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC0IrlQ2nis)
Troy and birds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifDOyXI5DX0)
Drivers Ed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M15wU1XYKEk)
Sinatra Group and Compultion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmKi0-Hr27I)

Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: chazarus on December 10, 2006, 07:34:15 pm
It is without a doubt he was the best thing to ever come out of Canada...
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: LARAGORN on December 11, 2006, 05:17:49 am
It is without a doubt he was the best thing to ever come out of Canada...


That is a very direct statement. I do agree he was a comedic genious, but 'the best thing' out of all of canada ?

I would have to disagree, we have had many, many others who have impacted the world in a much more profound way.

Just my two Tria
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Ithorius on December 12, 2006, 02:33:31 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_TfBbR6L0M

lol canada
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: emeraldfool on December 14, 2006, 04:29:30 pm
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2408124 (http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2408124)

I love Robin Williams...


Anyway, the Irish tend to like Canadians. During the Famine a lot of American cities closed off their harbours to Irish ships, but the Canadians took us in even though we probably killed a lot of people (with the 'fevers')
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Ithorius on December 14, 2006, 04:32:22 pm
I still don't get how a entire nation can starve to death, from a lack of potatos....
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: emeraldfool on December 14, 2006, 04:44:43 pm
I still don't get how a entire nation can starve to death, from a lack of potatos....

One word: the British :P

There was plenty of food in Ireland. The British owned it all. Potatoes are easy to grow, and thusly are cheap, so they were the only thing Irish people could afford (because Irish = poor, British = rich).

When the potatoe blight spread, the irish lost their only source of food, and so they all starved to death. And the British just sat back and laughed and drew cartoons of emaciated irish people.

And so we hate them. :D Simple  :D
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Tuxide on December 23, 2006, 10:36:46 am
Canada, hrm... They hate us and they think we hate them back. On top of that, we don't really care what they think about us.  Maple syrup and snow is what they export, and they treat curling just like it's a real sport.

Quote
Canada:  Well, they have a huge tower, hrm... why don't we build a huge tower just like they have?  We can even stick a pole on top of it and say ours is taller than theirs is.

I am glad Nebraska is not in Canada.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: LARAGORN on December 23, 2006, 12:41:07 pm
I am glad Nebraska is not in Canada.

Me too
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Tuxide on December 23, 2006, 11:13:31 pm
I am glad Nebraska is not in Canada.

Me too

...despite what Wikipedia says.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/07/26/wikipedia_school_lawsuit/
http://regmedia.co.uk/2006/07/26/nebraska_moves_to_canada.jpg
http://regmedia.co.uk/2006/07/26/canada_usa_identification_guide.jpg
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Akaye on December 23, 2006, 11:33:33 pm
Quote from: Tuxide
Canada, hrm... They hate us and they think we hate them back. On top of that, we don't really care what they think about us.  Maple syrup and snow is what they export, and they treat curling just like it's a real sport.

Quote
Canada:  Well, they have a huge tower, hrm... why don't we build a huge tower just like they have?  We can even stick a pole on top of it and say ours is taller than theirs is.

I am glad Nebraska is not in Canada.

I don't recall signing up on the "I hate Nebraska" petition. I also don't take your post seriously and believe everyone in Nebraska hates Canadians. Thats a bunch of bull. Also as a Canadian I support Hockey as a real sport and couldn't give a rats behind about curling.

I think Tuxide you are the victim of general stereo types.  ;) My best cure for that is don't believe everything you hear. 
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Tuxide on December 24, 2006, 12:06:21 am
Quote from: Tuxide
Canada, hrm... They hate us and they think we hate them back. On top of that, we don't really care what they think about us.  Maple syrup and snow is what they export, and they treat curling just like it's a real sport.

Quote
Canada:  Well, they have a huge tower, hrm... why don't we build a huge tower just like they have?  We can even stick a pole on top of it and say ours is taller than theirs is.

I am glad Nebraska is not in Canada.

I don't recall signing up on the "I hate Nebraska" petition. I also don't take your post seriously and believe everyone in Nebraska hates Canadians. Thats a bunch of bull. Also as a Canadian I support Hockey as a real sport and couldn't give a rats behind about curling.

I think Tuxide you are the victim of general stereo types.  ;) My best cure for that is don't believe everything you hear. 

I was referring to the United States, not necessarily Nebraska.  We Americans are all victims of general stereotypes, mainly coming from Canada's general direction, and we don't really care what Canadians think about us (although it might be interesting if someone asks the same question about the United States).
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zorbels on December 24, 2006, 12:41:07 am
Quote from: Tuxide
I was referring to the United States, not necessarily Nebraska.  We Americans are all victims of general stereotypes, mainly coming from Canada's general direction, and we don't really care what Canadians think about us (although it might be interesting if someone asks the same question about the United States).

LOL .... your kidding right? Stereo Types that Americans fall for are not coming mainly from Canada, they are made up by their own media. Every country seems to have these ideas about what other countries think of them but most of the time it is false and something the media has projected. People are sheep and your are not helping to discredit that. Actually your post is a great example of how ignorance can blind those who don't want to see truth and create these situations were it is us against them. I think Tuxide you should be using "me" not "us" when it comes to a topic like this though because I don't believe you speak for every american citizen.

For the record I am canadian and I don't dislike USA as a country in the slightest. 
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: LARAGORN on December 24, 2006, 03:19:39 pm
Talking with Americans (http://home.comcast.net/~wwwstephen/americans/)   :P
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: emeraldfool on December 24, 2006, 03:37:25 pm
The Irish in general are very proud of the stereotypical view of us as charming, drunken partiers. :P In fact, I think we're the only ones who really keep that stereotype going, because we're all encouraged by the tourism board to reinforce it...
Seriously, doing it for the 'craic' is the patriotic equivilent of soluting your stripy flaggy thingy...
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Watcher on December 24, 2006, 04:00:21 pm
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The Irish in general are very proud of the stereotypical view of us as charming, drunken partiers.

I think some Brits have a very different sterotypical view of the Irish in leu of the Catholic Protestant conflict.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: neko kyouran on December 25, 2006, 04:04:24 am
we lovess canadassssesss, precioussses.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Tuxide on December 25, 2006, 06:15:38 am
Stereo Types that Americans fall for are not coming mainly from Canada, they are made up by their own media.

I don't know if I'm interpreting your wordage correctly, unless you are referring to the anti-United States propaganda that countries like Egypt and China feed their populations (although that's most likely because those populations demand it).  Else you misinterpreted me.  The stereotype of a population tends to be derived from the population's leader, or the perceived relation between the population and the leader.  The American stereotype stems from our own President (who, by the way, Canada thinks is a moron...although he probably is one).  Because we have some shoot-from-the-hip moron as a President, people tend to perceive the stereotype United States citizen as arrogant, self-centered, and ignorant.  It is no different from how I view the brittins by relating them to Tony Blair.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2002/11/21/moron021121.html
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1122-03.htm
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zorbels on December 25, 2006, 11:51:22 pm
Who represents these leaders to the world from any country? The media. Stereo Types exist because we let them exist. Stereo types come from all sorts of situations. We are taught to think blue is for boys, and pink is for girls for just one example. Most of the time we are raised with these stereo types but other times we pick it up on them by following what the majority of a crowd would believe. Like in school for instance. That does NOT mean that these labels are true.

I understand that because of articals that the "Canadian media" wrote, you believe all Canadians have a negitive out look on George .W. Bush and U.S.A as a country. Keep in mind that the U.S.A's media writes some pretty horrific stuff about their own president and this doesn't just come from Canada. Actually media's all over the world do this sadly, and it is us as a race (humans) who keep this kind of garbage around. Of course there are those Canadian's who buy into what they read. Just as there are U.S citizens  believe what their media tells them about Canada even though it may not be true on either end. As there are other people in other countries doing the same thing. This problem isn't just with Canada..

 I also take pride in the fact that we are a peaceful country for the most part and try to be at peace with our neighbors as well as the rest of the world. I would like to think that their are some in this country of mine who have a mind of their own and don't hold everything that the media tells us of George .W. Bush against the citizens of U.S.A. I would also hope that people in my country don't believe everything the media tells us of George .W. Bush. Most of it is most likely not truth and highly exaggerated.

Here's an example  of how I look at things. The U.S.A media makes many hateful articals about Jean Chrétien and other Canadian politicians, as do other counrties. I don't think because these articals are being read by U.S.A. citizens that the U.S.A hates us Canadians. There was a point when the Canadian media tried to make the U.S.A look bad because they wouldn't buy beef from us when the mad cow disease was an issue. They did the classic "us" against "them." My thoughts on this were, of course the country has to stop buying our beef to protect there citizens from becoming sick. I hold no beef (no pun intended) against the U.S.A for that. They were only looking out for their countries people. I would hope my country would do the same for me if my health was in jepordy, or my live stocks health because my business and life would depend on those sorts of decisions.

I will be honest and tell you I don't like Bush for many reasons. None of that has to do with the country he is from and I am not cruel enough to blame U.S.A's people for his mishaps. Truth is no matter what country Bush represented I would dislike him anyway because of his attitude and the way he handles very serious issues. I am not convinced he has his peoples best interests at heart, and he has proved this to me through his own speaches and interviews. This opinoin of mine does not reflect on how I feel about the U.S.A as a country.

This conversation between you and I Tuxide strated with .......

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Canada, hrm... They hate us and they think we hate them back. On top of that, we don't really care what they think about us.  Maple syrup and snow is what they export, and they treat curling just like it's a real sport.

I am hoping that after explaining at least one canadians point of view to you, you will see that you were wrong. I don't sit here and bash the U.S.A. I don't have a hate for the country in the slightest. I hope after this post it shows you that maybe you might feel that Canadians dislike you through all the media and gossip you hear from your friends, but in fact there is some hope and not all canadians feel that way.






Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on December 26, 2006, 12:38:13 am
USA, hmm... they hate us and they think we hate them back.  On top of that, we don't really care what they think about us.  War and bad healthcare is what they export, and they treat Budweiser just like it's a real beer.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: neko kyouran on December 26, 2006, 06:26:07 am
Canada, the makers of Smarties (http://static.flickr.com/30/54012120_b1214a2145_m.jpg)

Yum.   :love:
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: emeraldfool on January 07, 2007, 05:17:40 pm
Canada, the makers of Smarties (http://static.flickr.com/30/54012120_b1214a2145_m.jpg)

Yum.   :love:

Psch, that's the evil kind of Smarties.

You think you're getting fruity chocolate and you come out with a handful of chalk...



And most people don't pay any attention to stereotypes in practice. I know tonnes of people who are constantly whining about 'bloody foreigners', but love the actual ones they meet on the street.

[ Edited for language. --Karyuu ]
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Coneitic on January 07, 2007, 05:29:56 pm
@ zorbels

canada's media is just as bad as americans. i used to watch canadian news when i lived in new york.

tho they dont talk to much about violence and problems, mainly cuz they have less than america.

they all still jump at the chance to report on problems. especially american problems. ive seen it plenty of times. especially when the war started.

all in all the media is the worst part about the world... but then again the people that watch/read it/listen to it, are just as bad as the media.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Parallo on January 07, 2007, 05:36:06 pm
Media is the worst part about the world? What would you know of the world without media. Tabloids are terrible. Bush blowing people up however is something we have a right to know. If you read something you belive that the author believes it. Common sence. Stereotypes come not from the media but from misinterpretation of the media.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Coneitic on January 07, 2007, 05:44:16 pm
im sorry... have you seen Fox News channel?

watch it for a day and then say that. and dont bring bush into this... im liable to go off..... especially on all the crybabys about the soldiers in Iraq.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Parallo on January 07, 2007, 05:49:19 pm
Is Fox America's only news channel? Are there channels with news on them? Like proper news? I won't say unbiased but not twisted one way entirerly?
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Coneitic on January 07, 2007, 05:53:17 pm
no... you have two media types.

republican and liberal

any unbias information you want, you research it yourself.

like most other countries
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Parallo on January 07, 2007, 06:02:11 pm
All I ever hear is ranting about Fox. If so many people are so upset about it all why has noone made an alternative? Media is an important tool.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Coneitic on January 07, 2007, 06:05:16 pm
because, half the population likes fox news and half doesnt, so it would be unfair to take it off the air because some dont like it... that wouldnt be american
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Parallo on January 07, 2007, 06:07:40 pm
I don't mean take it away. If its half and half divided into people that want and don't want biased news then surely between that one half of the richest country in the world they have enough money to start a station of their own.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Coneitic on January 07, 2007, 06:09:44 pm
they do, its called cnn =)
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Parallo on January 07, 2007, 06:13:50 pm
So CNN is unbiased? Why are you complaining?
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Coneitic on January 07, 2007, 06:17:57 pm
oh sorry i read your post wrong. cnn is biased.. liberal side

the reason there is no unbiased media is because almost everyone is biased to one side or another, very few are unbiased.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Parallo on January 07, 2007, 06:46:23 pm
Well then. Just watch both and try to get the ratio just right and then you have the truth :P
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Coneitic on January 07, 2007, 06:47:46 pm
thats what the smart ones do!

the rest make post like datruth =) just kidding....
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zorbels on January 07, 2007, 09:21:10 pm
@ zorbels

canada's media is just as bad as americans. i used to watch canadian news when i lived in new york.

tho they dont talk to much about violence and problems, mainly cuz they have less than america.

they all still jump at the chance to report on problems. especially american problems. ive seen it plenty of times. especially when the war started.

all in all the media is the worst part about the world... but then again the people that watch/read it/listen to it, are just as bad as the media.

I am aware of what Canada's media is like. I live here. I never claimed in anyway that Canada's news wasn't bad so I am not sure why you are talking to me like I did? As a matter of fact I was pointing out that all media create's bad impressions of our countries to each other. I dislike the media personally and I can't believe a word of it because I can't tell what is true and what isn't. I was pointing out to Tuxide that just because the Canadian  media gives the impression we Canadians hate the USA because of their president .... doesn't make it true and in fact it couldn't be further from the truth for me. I was an example and a canadian that didn't by into the false crap channeled my way by the Canadian media.

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they all still jump at the chance to report on problems. especially american problems. ive seen it plenty of times. especially when the war started.

Yup, just like the USA's media jumped all over Canada when we didn't want to send our troops out into this war. Are you surprised? I am not, it is the media ... that's what they are good at. Nobodies media is better or worse than anyone else's. The media goes where the stories are at. If you have juicy news then your in the spot light and all over the television.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on January 07, 2007, 10:48:58 pm
99% of everything is owned by 1% of everyone and they stick it to the rest of us. Feudalism never left the scene it just put on a disguise. Freedom is an illusion fostered by the elite to pacify the masses. Bread and circus's to eternity.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: emeraldfool on January 08, 2007, 01:08:56 am
99% of everything is owned by 1% of everyone and they stick it to the rest of us. Feudalism never left the scene it just put on a disguise. Freedom is an illusion fostered by the elite to pacify the masses. Bread and circus's to eternity.

Lol, that sounds just what one of them in-bred kalashnikov-totting militia hicks would say :P (Not that I'm accusing you of that...)



Anyway, it seems the best way to get unbiased news is to watch a foreign news station. RTE doesn't give a crap about American/Candian relations, or Liberal vs. Conservative American political ideals. The same way FOX doesn't give a crap about N.Ireland/Ireland relations or Loyalist vs. National political ideals.

And so you just get the plain facts, rattled off by a yawning newscaster...
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Kalika on January 08, 2007, 02:43:00 am
Is Fox America's only news channel? Are there channels with news on them? Like proper news? I won't say unbiased but not twisted one way entirerly?

in a way coneitic is right. we do have a lot of bias in our country. its jsut that way now, our country has been metaphorically "split" in half...we just use the terms "conservative" adn "liberal" to designate people. i dont konw about the news channels, i dunnos about which one leans to which side...parallo i think made a good point on watching both, because one side wil leave some stuff out and so will the other. its all stupid politics.

in an ideal situation we would have "pure" news. unfiltered and the actual facts. but well, america is definately not in an ideal situation, and most likely lots of other parts of the world are not in an ideal situation, so erm yeah

i dunnos...i still like Canada though :) (lost my thought( *kalika blushes*
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on January 08, 2007, 03:06:08 am

Lol, that sounds just what one of them in-bred kalashnikov-totting militia hicks would say :P (Not that I'm accusing you of that...)

Well it is a bit of an exaggeration but when you start to think about it it is essentially true. I look around my apartment and see everything I own adds up to about 5000 things, although some of those things are collections of smaller things, an old stamp collection for example I am counting as one thing. My clothes are counted separately, but the parts in my three old computers are not.

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Anyway, it seems the best way to get unbiased news is to watch a foreign news station. RTE doesn't give a crap about American/Candian relations, or Liberal vs. Conservative American political ideals. The same way FOX doesn't give a crap about N.Ireland/Ireland relations or Loyalist vs. National political ideals.

And so you just get the plain facts, rattled off by a yawning newscaster...

There is no such thing as unbiased reporting any more, there never was. It used to be said that the better media tried to be objective it seems pretty rare now.

Oh and Canada likes Kalika ;)
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Radiant Memphis on January 08, 2007, 08:04:59 am
I say the internet is the only real truthfull news out there. Cause ya know people don't lie on the internet right?  :devil:
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Parallo on January 08, 2007, 01:22:03 pm
After thinking a lot on it and the divide between liberal and conservative I've realised that they're all on the same side anyway. Democracy. Now you need communist, facist, monarcic, imperial and feudal news then you can watch them all and get maybe a few facts.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Coneitic on January 08, 2007, 01:41:27 pm
oh thats histerical parallo, really. so funny....


NOT.     ;D  :P  :thumbdown:
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Parallo on January 08, 2007, 01:46:42 pm
I wasn't trying to be funny... How can you get the truth if your idea of left wing is so close to the right?
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on January 08, 2007, 06:26:26 pm
canada's media is just as bad as americans. i used to watch canadian news when i lived in new york.

Not true.  Canadian news journalists are more likely to report things that cast America in a negative light.  Americans treat news as entertainment, and so you see American news journalists acting like celebrities and their reporting is tainted with rampant editorialism.  Canadian news tries to be more objective.

no... you have two media types.

republican and liberal

any unbias information you want, you research it yourself.

like most other countries

Republican and Liberal?  Where does the left fit in?
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: emeraldfool on January 08, 2007, 07:13:21 pm
Left? I thought left were the liberals.


At least the way we were taught it, the political spectrum goes Communism -> Fascist, Left -> Right
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on January 08, 2007, 07:16:20 pm
Left? I thought left were the liberals.


At least the way we were taught it, the political spectrum goes Communism -> Fascist, Left -> Right



Liberalism is a moderate slash centralist political philosophy, not left wing.  Left wing means socialist, or very socialist.


Edit:  This is typical of American thinking, and I don't mean to be insulting.  In American society, the center tends to be seen as left wing, and right-of-center tends to be seen as moderate.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on January 08, 2007, 09:27:13 pm
Oh, something else - there are fascist communists.  Communism is an economic philosophy.  Fascism is a philosophy of governance.  Just as you can have a fascist communist state, you can also have a communist state which is democratic, or a capitalist state which is either democratic or fascist.

By Canadian standards, the Democratic party is a right wing part.  Right of center, but not at all left wing.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Datruth on January 08, 2007, 09:31:42 pm
Oh, something else - there are fascist communists.  Communism is an economic philosophy.  Fascism is a philosophy of governance.  Just as you can have a fascist communist state, you can also have a communist state which is democratic, or a capitalist state which is either democratic or fascist.

By Canadian standards, the Democratic party is a right wing part.  Right of center, but not at all left wing.

Democratic communism, that's funny.

But i know what you mean, and while it is possible, that type of communism would fail.
Why?

Because the people would vote to get rid of communism :P
Eventually anyways. ;)

It is a possibility, and it would be fun to watch.

Right now, the best type of Economic system we have is Socialism, the U.S is actually quite socialistic, with our welfare programs, FDR's new deal, social security.

I mean, i think the only way for a government to survive is to go socialist.

Capitalism, purely anyways, does not work.

~~Datruth



Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Parallo on January 08, 2007, 09:34:14 pm
Socialism is an attemt to spread the nations wealth amongst the nation. Communism is actually doing it.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Datruth on January 08, 2007, 09:40:30 pm
Socialism is an attemt to spread the nations wealth amongst the nation. Communism is actually doing it.

Socialism, spreads the nations wealth, see sweden for examples.

Communism, is the stripping of the individuals power, usually the stripping of the people's voice.
Sure your guaranteed a house, and some food, but you don't decide where to work, and you can't really work your way up the social ladder.

Look at china's horrible humanitarian disasters for example.
Very totalitarian in their actions, and events like Tianamen square are why they are hated.

~~Datruth
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Parallo on January 08, 2007, 09:46:37 pm
China is an example of a misunderstanding of Marxism. True Marxism is different. There is yet to be a proper Marxist nation.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Datruth on January 08, 2007, 09:49:39 pm
China is an example of a misunderstanding of Marxism. True Marxism is different. There is yet to be a proper Marxist nation.

What would you outline, as a proper marxist nation?

What would your government be comprised of?

Be very specific, I'll outline my perfect government after you, we can contrast and compare then.

But i'm interested in what you feel would be a proper marxist nation, that would prosper.

~~Datruth
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Parallo on January 08, 2007, 09:52:04 pm
Read the Communist Manifesto. Its on wikisource. Its not the ideal government but in a world comprised of ideal people it would be. The world wil never be ready for it.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on January 08, 2007, 10:01:33 pm
Right now, the best type of Economic system we have is Socialism, the U.S is actually quite socialistic, with our welfare programs, FDR's new deal, social security.

Not to mention your healthcare.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Hybee on January 09, 2007, 01:46:58 am
Gooo canada!!!!! I'm american, but I love canada. (well, it's a country not governed by Bush, duh it's a great country ;D )
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on January 09, 2007, 02:34:22 am
Gooo canada!!!!! I'm american, but I love canada. (well, it's a country not governed by Bush, duh it's a great country ;D )


Instead of Bush, we had Mike Harris.  Before him, we had Mulroney.  And now we have Harper.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: LARAGORN on January 09, 2007, 03:15:01 am
Gooo canada!!!!! I'm american, but I love canada. (well, it's a country not governed by Bush, duh it's a great country ;D )


Instead of Bush, we had Mike Harris.  Before him, we had Mulroney.  And now we have Harper.

???
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on January 09, 2007, 04:26:07 am
Gooo canada!!!!! I'm american, but I love canada. (well, it's a country not governed by Bush, duh it's a great country ;D )


Instead of Bush, we had Mike Harris.  Before him, we had Mulroney.  And now we have Harper.

???



Mike Harris, Brian Mulroney, and Steven Harper are politicians.  Mike Harris was premier of Ontario for a decade.  Mulroney was our Prime Minister in the 80's and early 90's.  Steven Harper is our current Prime Minister.  Harris and Mulroney were, economically, equivalent to Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan.  Harris and Mulroney were worse in some ways.  Steven Harper is most similar to Bush, only more intelligent and not as well connected.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Datruth on January 09, 2007, 04:30:45 am
Gooo canada!!!!! I'm american, but I love canada. (well, it's a country not governed by Bush, duh it's a great country ;D )


Instead of Bush, we had Mike Harris.  Before him, we had Mulroney.  And now we have Harper.

???



Mike Harris, Brian Mulroney, and Steven Harper are politicians.  Mike Harris was premier of Ontario for a decade.  Mulroney was our Prime Minister in the 80's and early 90's.  Steven Harper is our current Prime Minister.  Harris and Mulroney were, economically, equivalent to Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan.  Harris and Mulroney were worse in some ways.  Steven Harper is most similar to Bush, only more intelligent and not as well connected.

Zanzibar, what do i have to do, to get my government, The U.S, to adopt National Healthcare.
Like Canada and Britians System, where everyone pays to keep everyone well.

I'm lost of ideas... i mean i really want it... i could go to the doctor.. finally.
Seriously.. i haven't had a checkup in 1 year... no joke...

if i get sick... i just tough it out... no joke, unless it's really bad, then i go to the doctor... and pay lots of money.... :-\
HELP ME!!!

~~Datruth
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Idoru on January 09, 2007, 04:51:09 am
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Seriously.. i haven't had a checkup in 1 year... no joke...

Dude, in the UK guys just normally dont have check-ups, and we dont go to he doctors because of illness unless we feel we are dieing, are facing deformity or its an infection near our genitals     ;D

If the Guys in the UK went to the doctors as often as women did the NHS (UK National Health System) would seriously collapse, and im not being flippant at all.

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Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Kalika on January 09, 2007, 04:58:14 am
i hardly ever go to the doctor...i only went because my hand got swollen for 3 weeks on and foff and i could barely move my fingers

usually i jsut wait and see if it goes or try some form of healing spell or what not before i teel anyone about my ailments :P

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Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on January 09, 2007, 06:33:42 am
It appears that mostly people cant keep their mind on canada for longer than a few pages. seems about right I guess. Still I'd have to say that 17 pages is pretty successful.  Not wildly so but about the longest thread I ever started.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on January 09, 2007, 06:45:25 am
You should have involved kittens.  Everybody likes kittens.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on January 09, 2007, 07:06:09 am
ya they make guys aggressive and dumb and girls promiscuous.

Or rather their parasites do.
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Research has shown that women who are infected with the parasite tend to be warm, outgoing and attentive to others, while infected men tend to be less intelligent and probably a bit boring
abcnews   (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/DyeHard/story?id=2288095&page=1)
Now with cat picture linked!
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on January 09, 2007, 07:37:54 am
Pass out the cat parasites to everyone.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: LARAGORN on January 09, 2007, 01:10:46 pm
As for health care.... Our once world renouned system, is on the verge of collapse. Two tear healthcare is on its way in. It is a sory state of affairs.

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Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on January 09, 2007, 06:53:01 pm
Here it is January 9th and there has been about four days of snow cover here in Ottawa, That is not the Canada I know. The worlds longest skating rink is just a memory this year. How can Winterlude succeed if there is no winter? No ice or snow sculptures if there is no snow or ice.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: LARAGORN on January 09, 2007, 07:26:48 pm
A local ski club closed for the first time in 65 years :( They cant afford to cover all slopes with artificial snow every other day.

Here in sudbury (northern Ontario) we got an inch of snow yesterday. Least snowfall since 1941.

Timmins Ontario also in the north, in known for its bitter cold winters and snow fall, of which they have none. Timmins is a popular testing area for most major auto makers.

Tropical Canada..... doesnt sound quite right does it ??

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Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on January 10, 2007, 06:20:08 am
Might be time to build a high-rise on Hans Island (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=26592.msg300621#msg300621), show them Danes what's what! Might become a balmy vacation spot. *snicker*
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Datruth on January 18, 2007, 09:42:31 am
Directed towards canadians:

So your sitting in canada, watching your hockey, and looking at a world map.
Who would you list as your 5 best friends, as countries go anyways.
And who would you list as your 5 worst enemies, countries again.

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Just trying to get into the minds of those canadians :thumbup:  :D

~~Datruth
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Radiant Memphis on January 18, 2007, 09:54:42 am
Just one more reason to like Canada-Canada's Pillow Fight League (http://7ref.com/STa)
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on January 18, 2007, 09:59:41 am
Directed towards canadians:

So your sitting in canada, watching your hockey, and looking at a world map.
Who would you list as your 5 best friends, as countries go anyways.
And who would you list as your 5 worst enemies, countries again.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Just trying to get into the minds of those canadians :thumbup:  :D

~~Datruth

Canadians don't see things in such black and white (read: useless) terms.

And if we did, we definately wouldn't agree with eachother on the answer.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on January 18, 2007, 04:50:17 pm
Besides what Zanzibar says the two lists would most likely be identical. #1 would have to be goliath-in--the-basement.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Datruth on January 18, 2007, 09:34:45 pm
Besides what Zanzibar says the two lists would most likely be identical. #1 would have to be goliath-in--the-basement.

Lol  :woot: :lol:

Zanzibar, i never said your list would conform with everyone else, i just wanted one canadians opinon.

I never knew it was soo hard to get it....

Are you all so sarcastic? ;)

~~Datruth
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on January 18, 2007, 10:37:51 pm
The third guy in this video is Trudeau.  He was awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsZRxyK2YMg

    Pierre Trudeau: I moved my lips and I used my hands in a gesture of derision yes. But I didn't say anything. If these guys want to read lips and they want to see something into it, you know that's their problem. I think they're very sensitive. They come in the House and they make all kinds of accusations, and because I smile at them in derision they come stomping out and what, go crying to momma or to television that they've been insulted or something?

    [later in the press conference]

    Press: What were you thinking… when you moved your lips?

    Pierre Trudeau: What is the nature of your thoughts, gentlemen, when you say “fuddle duddle” or something like that? God, you guys…! [walks away]





This is another good one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7_a2wa2dd4

The good stuff is near the end.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Akaye on January 19, 2007, 04:40:30 am
Quote from: Datruth
Directed towards canadians:

So your sitting in canada, watching your hockey, and looking at a world map.
Who would you list as your 5 best friends, as countries go anyways.
And who would you list as your 5 worst enemies, countries again.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Just trying to get into the minds of those canadians :thumbup:  :D

~~Datruth

Erm, that will bring no good to this thread. It will offend people and start fights in my opinoin. Besides this isn't a popularity contest. As countries we should respect one and other whether we agree how one lives or not. There shouldn't be better and worse, though I know this isn't the case.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Datruth on January 19, 2007, 04:58:31 am
Quote from: Datruth
Directed towards canadians:

So your sitting in canada, watching your hockey, and looking at a world map.
Who would you list as your 5 best friends, as countries go anyways.
And who would you list as your 5 worst enemies, countries again.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Just trying to get into the minds of those canadians :thumbup:  :D

~~Datruth

Erm, that will bring no good to this thread. It will offend people and start fights in my opinoin. Besides this isn't a popularity contest. As countries we should respect one and other whether we agree how one lives or not. There shouldn't be better and worse, though I know this isn't the case.

I didn't say this country is better or worse lol.
Or that, another country is this, or that.
I'm not saying RATE THAT COUNTRY lol, that might cause problems.

I meant political affiliation.
I want to know Canada's Political Affiliations to other countries, No less no more, no problems.

Basically, here in America it's like this

By the way, i don't agree with the list, but this is America's ties, not mine lol:

Friends YAY  \\o//
1) Britain
2) Israel
3) China
4) Japan
5) Canada

Enemies, Boo
1) Iran
2) North Korea
3) Cuba
4) Mexico
5) France

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Again, I wouldn't choose all those countries as :my" friends or enemies
But as far as the media, and our relations, that's the list i make according to how america deals with those countries.

I'm just curious though, what does Canada promote, as far as it's friendly countries, and it's enemies.
Is it close to my list?

~~Datruth
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on January 19, 2007, 06:39:17 am
I meant political affiliation.
I want to know Canada's Political Affiliations to other countries, No less no more, no problems.
Then it's a dumb question, and you chose a dumb way to ask it.

Every international relationship is unique.  It's stupid to "rank" them.  All detail and meaning would be lost.

Friends YAY  \\o//
1) Britain
2) Israel
3) China
4) Japan
5) Canada

Enemies, Boo
1) Iran
2) North Korea
3) Cuba
4) Mexico
5) France


Canada is actually number one for America.  We are your number one supplier of energy and oil.  And China?  China has been giving weapons and nuclear knowledge to middle eastern countries.  China is controlled by an evil dictatorship which opresses and tortures its own people.  They've also purposefully devalued their own currency in order to steal the American manufacturing industry which gets outsourced to wherever the labour is cheep.

As far as your enemies, Cuba has NEVER attacked the United States, and France told you not to invade Iraq!

Of course, you added a disclaimer at the end of your post suggesting that you don't necessarily believe in those two lists.  I hope that you do not.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Datruth on January 19, 2007, 09:17:44 am
I meant political affiliation.
I want to know Canada's Political Affiliations to other countries, No less no more, no problems.
Then it's a dumb question, and you chose a dumb way to ask it.

Every international relationship is unique.  It's stupid to "rank" them.  All detail and meaning would be lost.

I ask a simple question because we're not really working for the NSA or anything.
I'm just trying to get a feel from you.

Must canadians over analyze everything.
I try to make a simple question, and i'm antagonized because of it?

Excuse me for not asking about ever nook and cranny  :thumbdown:

Friends YAY  \\o//
1) Britain
2) Israel
3) China
4) Japan
5) Canada

Enemies, Boo
1) Iran
2) North Korea
3) Cuba
4) Mexico
5) France


Canada is actually number one for America.  We are your number one supplier of energy and oil.  And China?  China has been giving weapons and nuclear knowledge to middle eastern countries.  China is controlled by an evil dictatorship which opresses and tortures its own people.  They've also purposefully devalued their own currency in order to steal the American manufacturing industry which gets outsourced to wherever the labour is cheep.

As far as your enemies, Cuba has NEVER attacked the United States, and France told you not to invade Iraq!

Of course, you added a disclaimer at the end of your post suggesting that you don't necessarily believe in those two lists.  I hope that you do not.

Canada isn't our overall number one friend, for the simple fact that they don't support us in Iraq lol.
And i hate china more than you do... trust me.... I had a huge rant about them before, i think they are the biggest terrorist organization in the world.

Cuba is hated by us, for reasons only the Government knows lol

Watch this: Americans are not allowed to give any aid, or even meet with thier Family members in Cuba.
We're completely cut off from them... if that isn't hate... i have no clue what is.

And we hate france, for not backing us up in the War.

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Lol, And yes, you're right, these arn't my choices, They are America's.
That was the reason for the disclaimer.


As for who i'd choose, for my favorite list of countries, it's more like:

Sweden, New Zealand, Australia, South korea, Japan, and a few others.

I personally Hate china.
I think we should end our Embargo against Cuba, rather, help them out, them being our neihbors.
Stop about 4 billion dollars of aid going to Israel, try and cut off as many links with china I can.

Along with a myriad of other things.
But ya, i stand by my list, I think it fits how America sees the world.
Even though you say Canada helps us out economically, and it really really does, you can't deny China helps us out more.
And yes, i'll reiterate my hate for china's government, once again :@#\. lol

~~Datruth
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Peacer on January 19, 2007, 03:41:22 pm
Denmark isn't mentioned, then I won't have to join the fight of popularity or likeliness, that means you can still worship me like before
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on January 19, 2007, 04:04:20 pm
I ask a simple question because we're not really working for the NSA or anything.
I'm just trying to get a feel from you.

Must canadians over analyze everything.
I try to make a simple question, and i'm antagonized because of it?

Excuse me for not asking about ever nook and cranny  :thumbdown:


Your question asks me to grossly oversimply things to the point that they lose meaning.

Pretty much the only country that Canadians rag on consistently though is the USA... mostly because we feel that you guys tend to oversimply things when forming your worldview.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on January 19, 2007, 04:39:43 pm
All our real enemies live in Canada. As I alluded to before the US has such an overwhelming footprint on our existence nowhere else seems significant so we fight among ourselves.


Oh and by the way Trudeau destroyed the country. I know it can be hard to understand for someone who didn't live through it but he started the whole snowballs descent. Then again this is just my opinion and I am positive it will not be a consensus view. The man was an arrogant buffoon who did things because he could and not because they were good for the country. God help us if the Liberal party foists one of his sons upon us as seems likely. One can only hope they fell off the other side of the tree although I have my doubts about the Sinclairs too, that are less well founded.

Internecine conflict to follow in support of this posts original thesis.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on January 19, 2007, 07:13:58 pm
Oh and by the way Trudeau destroyed the country.

Some would like to believe that was true, but it isn't.  Trudeau did wonders for Canada by investing in social programs that fought poverty and unemployment.

If you want to blame someone, blame Mulroney.  He was a Reagan clone without alzheimer's.  Nothing destroys a nation like Reaganesque "trickle down" economics.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Akaye on January 20, 2007, 12:44:43 am
Quote from: Datruth
Must canadians over analyze everything.
I try to make a simple question, and i'm antagonized because of it?

You get this from just a few posts? So all canadians are this way? *sighs* That statment is truly disappointing.  :thumbdown:

 :) I think maybe if you really want the answers you seek, research is your friend. Google it or go to a libaray. This way it avoids you making silly speculations about Canadians and not group what one says with all Canadians.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Datruth on January 20, 2007, 12:52:27 am
Quote from: Datruth
Must canadians over analyze everything.
I try to make a simple question, and i'm antagonized because of it?

You get this from just a few posts? So all canadians are this way? *sighs* That statment is truly disappointing.  :thumbdown:

 :) I think maybe if you really want the answers you seek, research is your friend. Google it or go to a libaray. This way it avoids you making silly speculations about Canadians and not group what one says with all Canadians.

If you couldn't tell i was joking zorbels

And you seriously thought i would lump millions of people like that together.... than i'd have to say your opinions are deeply dissappointing.

~~~~~~~~~~
As for Zanzibar

"Your question asks me to grossly oversimply things "
"because we feel that you guys tend to oversimply things when forming your worldview."

I think the word is Oversimplify
I don't know what oversimply means....

And the question wasn't at fault, the reason you choose not to answer it, makes me curious.

~~Datruth
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Akaye on January 20, 2007, 01:06:35 am
Quote from: Datruth

If you couldn't tell i was joking zorbels

And you seriously thought i would lump millions of people like that together.... than i'd have to say your opinions are deeply dissappointing.


Hey Datruth, heres a secret. Don't tell anyone! I am not a mind reader. Imagine that! (So how am I supposed to know you were joking .. hmmmm?) And yes I did think from reading your post that that is exactly what you were doing, hence my post. Besides I don't really care if you find my opinoins disappointing or not.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on January 20, 2007, 02:24:04 am
And the question wasn't at fault, the reason you choose not to answer it, makes me curious.


The question was at fault.  I didn't answer it because it was a stupid question.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on January 20, 2007, 06:58:41 am
I think our biggest enemy has to be  Fernando Poo  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_Po_%28island%29) I feel certain they are planning to scuttle our fleet any day now. Then it is just a matter of time until they invade!
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Radiant Memphis on January 20, 2007, 08:11:03 am
Just a Couple quotes that may fit with the current sound of things.

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."
"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."

Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Aww Shucks on January 21, 2007, 04:59:17 am
Well, personally Im Canadian and I just always sort of found that canadians were more "outgoing" personality wise compared to people from other cultures Ive met.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: LARAGORN on January 23, 2007, 10:51:56 pm
Here is some Canadian Culture (http://throwawayyourtv.com/2007/01/canadian-culture.html)
and some Heritage Moments (http://throwawayyourtv.com/2007/01/canadian-culture-part-2.html)
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Atomica on January 23, 2007, 10:56:48 pm
Jesum Crow. There's more flak flyin' 'round here than a World War II battlefield...

Is Canada really that touchy of a subject? I mean, I woulda expected this from a discussion on say... Iraq, or politics, but not humble old Canada...
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Akaye on January 24, 2007, 01:36:50 am
Quote from: Atomica
Jesum Crow. There's more flak flyin' 'round here than a World War II battlefield...

Is Canada really that touchy of a subject?

 :) Canada isn't a touchy subject, and the people here for the most part are very humble. 

However asking us to choose who our allies are and aren't and rate them on a scale of best to worst could be a touchy subject, and not just for Canada but any country or state that has been asked that question. This thread is about your perception on the country Canada, not how canadians view the world with their politics. The thread isn't that bad and doesn't even come close to a battlefield.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: zanzibar on January 24, 2007, 04:23:00 am
We're thinking about invading Sweden.  We'll probably send the "Leafs" division of our army, as well as some rangers.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: bilbous on January 24, 2007, 06:24:35 am
First we got to take Greenland from the Danes, then Iceland from the Icicles...Then we can start sending icebergs in to block their ports.
Title: Re: How is Canada Perceived From Where You sit?
Post by: Atomica on January 24, 2007, 08:21:42 pm
We're thinking about invading Sweden.  We'll probably send the "Leafs" division of our army, as well as some rangers.


I think we all know it takes a lot more than that to take over Sweden.

Specifically; an ancient, frozen ice-man from the year 1996...