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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Janner on December 03, 2006, 01:51:43 pm
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:D Just a few I thought should work.
(11:37:01) Janner says: may i help you
(11:37:01) Jomed Parcen says: I have no tasks for you today.
(11:37:13) Janner says: hello
(11:37:13) Jomed Parcen says: Aye, hello. Do you need something?
(11:37:25) Janner says: how are you
(11:37:25) Jomed Parcen says: Can you rephrase it?
(11:37:55) Janner says: are you well
(11:37:55) Jomed Parcen says: Try to make simpler, but correct phrases
(11:38:31) Janner says: who are you
(11:38:31) Jomed Parcen says: No, no, we will not manage to understand each other this way.
(11:38:57) Janner says: what is your name
(11:38:58) Jomed Parcen says: Try to make simpler, but correct phrases
(11:39:06) Janner says: what is your name?
(11:39:06) Jomed Parcen says: Can you rephrase it?
(11:39:53) Janner says: my name is Janner, pleased to meet you sir
(11:39:53) Jomed Parcen says: Can you be more clear?
(11:40:28) Janner says: what is your job
(11:40:28) Jomed Parcen says: No, no, we will not manage to understand each other this way.
(11:40:32) Janner says: what is your job?
(11:40:32) Jomed Parcen says: Try to make simpler, but correct phrases
(12:38:48) Janner says: goodbye
(12:38:48) Jomed Parcen says: Bye! Stay out of trouble.
(12:38:55) Janner says: farewell
(12:38:55) Jomed Parcen says: Goodbye, friend. Talad's blessings upon you.
(12:39:21) Janner says: see you later
(12:39:21) Jomed Parcen says: Can you be more clear?
Feel free to add suggestions.
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I did notic that alot of the npc's in bd didn't understand "hello" yesterday
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They're so cute and simple minded. They'd make nice pets.
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Many NPCs, including these which did already before, don't understand 'hello', 'who are you' and 'how are you'. It is all over around, not only BD.
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lol its like a bad Abott and Costello act :D
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How do you do, my name is .....
possible reply; hello ....... I am ........
Can you direct me to ....... ?
possible reply; I am sorry, I don't know the way
Which way to ..... ?
possible reply; follow the path behind me and ask the next person you see
What do you do?
Can you help me with ........ ?
possible reply; I'm sorry I can't help you with that.
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I did notic that alot of the npc's in bd didn't understand "hello" yesterday
Probably the use of "Hello" in NPC interaction has been banned because someone found it offensive. Sound familiar?
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I did notic that alot of the npc's in bd didn't understand "hello" yesterday
Probably the use of "Hello" in NPC interaction has been banned because someone found it offensive. Sound familiar?
I expected better from you, a Veteran of the forums, ONE who should set a example. Let me make one thing clear to you, If someone finds a word offensive, I will respect there feelings, not belittle them, SHAME on you for setting a bad example.
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hmm Janner saming someone else ;)
but indeed Seytra the topic is closed for a reason let it rest please.
Anyhow to stay ontopic.
When I joined the NPCs seemed to understand several sentences. I heared the GMs and/or devs were looking over the sentences the NPCs didn't understand and adding reponses. This was why NPCs I was told would improve over time. However it seems the NPCs have been restarted and the adding has been stopped so it makes me wonder if a thread like this would help.
Could you tell me about ........?
response: Sorry I don't know about ......
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Honestly, i don't think this thread is going to help ;P The quests and NPC interaction is just poor, because there was no people to work on it^^ Although this has changed a bit, there are loads of half made ideas waiting for implementation, but it is just not happening yet. And from this what was already implemented, it is not working good enough or not working at all. Even the quests which were done and maybe are still made, have triggers made in bad way (making it really cumbersome) and there are not many variations for different responses of player to NPC, or there is only single response, like the one implementing a quest was in haste or something.
Its like a NPC asks you to do something, you say okay, or similiar, and he doesn't know what you are talking about. Quests are extremaly flat and there is just no commnication with them. They know some facts and sometimes they are unrelated with what is around. NPCs know 0.01% of this what they should and it is just because there is not enough people who work on them and the setting of PS is flat too. Sometimes when you read books/do quests you feel like the dev writing them had no idea what is PS setting about. This is eighter because there are no devs who know PS setting well, or the PS setting is indeed really flat. The funny thing is i can't even know it.
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hmmm, not many people working on it? maybe because its a boring thing to work on. How about the Devs recruit alot of people to work on just that, the back and forth chat with NPCs, im sure if 50 people from the forums were to work together to get itsorted then it wouldnt take long. The only issue there would be the fact that everything that is done has to be approved by Talad, which in my humble opinion is a flaw in the projects design.
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Unfortunately, random 50 people on this forum don't know all ties the NPCs have with one another, nor do they know quest plans and things like planned personality quirks, jobs, etc. This is Settings territory, and we are making an immense progress at this time thanks to Kerol and Xillix. If you guys think that some of the most recent, newest quests are flat, I have absolutely no idea what to tell you :)
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Unfortunately, random 50 people on this forum don't know all ties the NPCs have with one another, nor do they know quest plans and things like planned personality quirks, jobs, etc.
Well, I didnt say Random, I was thinking the most capable and knowledgable. you could always release the quest, job and personality knowledge to them. im sure there are enough creative members of this forum to make a signifigant imapact on the project. you just need to look in the communitive story writing section to see some of the talent that is being overlooked.
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If you guys think that some of the most recent, newest quests are flat, I have absolutely no idea what to tell you :)
Thats probably me ;P. Unfortunately i have no way to find out which quests are new. As flat, O describe any quests where I have to say 'give me a quest' 'yes' and possibly some other simple phrase, then give the item with no word at all. And the NPCs say nothing more about the quests, besides this.
The reason why i don't found any more complex quests is complete failure on NPC interaction. Completly nothing has changed since MB and it is eighter because noone was really working on it, or it is so hard. In this case the idea about talking with NPCs should be changed completly if we are going to achieve this what is aimed at, or we will have this working in 50 years, at which point most of us will be dead anyway.
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Luckely all of them understand "you suck"
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Do they? O.o
/me makes a note to go try "you suck" on the first npc he finds next time he goes in game to see what the response is.
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maybe a some default and various replies should be added to all npc's like "hello" "see you later"
or you could make a group and insert some responses, like. Guard npc's "see you later" and those getting general responces from the guard group replies would say
1. Guard looks at you "May I see you again in one Piece"
2. Take care and watch out if you're going out there
3. stay out of trouble till we meet again
while the merchant group would say
1. return with your pockets full of tria and empty of items *grin*
2. come back again very soon
If individual responses should be made instead the code could check for these first if there isn't anything then it checks the group replies. If it doesn't match anything "What are you saying?"
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In general, NPCs would understand "Who are you?". If not, they are probably being worked on, to get quests implemented.
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It's really funny how NPCs don't have the slightest idea what "how are you" means. On the other hand, almost every insult i use on them is working perfectly.
(Not really happened, but essentially thats how it goes):
me: Hi there!
npc: hm?
me: Hello!
npc: wha?
me: who are you?
npc: rephrase that, will you?
me: F**K OFF!
npc: How dare you insulting me like that! NPC's like me also have feelings. I'm gonna have to report that incidence!
me: phewww..
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(Straight from the chat-logs)
Rayjak grabs his crotch
(19:11:01) Rayjak says: hi
(19:11:01) Menlil Toresun says: Hi, welcome to the iron temple of Laanx, one of the most important buildings in this part of the city.
(19:11:11) Rayjak says: who are you?
(19:11:11) Menlil Toresun says: My name is Menlil Toresun, adept of the Laanx cult, healer and researcher of healing. I am here to greet people approaching the religion of Laanx for the first time.
(19:11:38) Rayjak says: I'd like to join your religion
(19:11:38) Menlil Toresun says: I don't think I get what you're saying.
(19:11:48) Rayjak says: I want to join
(19:11:48) Menlil Toresun says: I don't understand you. Could you rephrase that, please?
(19:11:58) Rayjak says: **** you.
(19:11:58) Menlil Toresun says: Feel free to go away now. You offend me.
(19:12:07) Rayjak says: no
(19:12:07) Menlil Toresun says: I don't think I get what you're saying.
(19:12:15) Rayjak says: THEN DIE!
(19:12:15) Menlil Toresun says: I don't think I get what you're saying.
(19:12:26) Rayjak says: you're an idiot, you know that?
(19:12:26) Menlil Toresun says: I don't understand you. Could you rephrase that, please?
(19:12:47) Rayjak says: any jobs you need doing?
(19:12:47) Menlil Toresun says: I don't understand you. Could you rephrase that, please?
(19:12:52) Rayjak says: quests?
(19:12:52) Menlil Toresun says: I don't understand you. Could you rephrase that, please?
(19:12:59) Rayjak says: can I help you?
(19:12:59) Menlil Toresun says: If you want to be of service to the Laanx temple, you first need to be part of our community. Are you a registered follower of Laanx?
(19:13:08) Rayjak says: yes
(19:13:08) Menlil Toresun says: Ok, let me check in our records. [Menlil turns the pages of a thick volume, searching for your name]. Sorry, you are not on the list. You must register first, goodbye.
(19:13:21) Rayjak says: how do i register then?
(19:13:21) Menlil Toresun says: I don't think I get what you're saying.
(19:13:28) Rayjak says: I think you're brain dead.
(19:13:28) Menlil Toresun says: I don't understand you. Could you rephrase that, please?
(19:13:34) Rayjak says: I said: HOW DO I REGISTER!?
(19:13:34) Menlil Toresun says: I don't think I get what you're saying.
(19:13:39) Rayjak says: ...
* Later On *
Rayjak says: hiya
(21:44:12) Roya Vuntarr says: You speak strangely... Can you be more clear?
(21:44:21) Rayjak says: hi ********
(21:44:21) Roya Vuntarr says: Hello there. Is there something you need?
(21:44:43) Rayjak says: what is this place?
(21:44:43) Roya Vuntarr says: Can you be more clear?
(21:44:52) Rayjak says: what ARE you doing?
(21:44:52) Roya Vuntarr says: Try to make simpler, but correct phrases
(21:45:01) Rayjak says: what are you?
(21:45:01) Roya Vuntarr says: Try to make simpler, but correct phrases
(21:45:13) Rayjak says: WHO are you?
(21:45:13) Roya Vuntarr says: I'm a citizen of Hydlaa, of course. My home is in this area and it's a relatively peaceful neighborhood.
(21:45:23) Rayjak says: Die.
(21:45:23) Roya Vuntarr says: If I die, I will just reincarnate when I return from the Death Realm, so I don't see why that should give you satisfaction.
(21:45:35) Rayjak says: DIE!!
(21:45:35) Roya Vuntarr says: But I want to live!!!
(21:45:41) Rayjak says: Afraid not. Die.
(21:45:41) Roya Vuntarr says: Try to make simpler, but correct phrases
(21:45:47) Rayjak says: I said die!
(21:45:47) Roya Vuntarr says: If I die, I will just reincarnate when I return from the Death Realm, so I don't see why that should give you satisfaction.
(21:45:54) Rayjak says: that sucks...
Roya Vuntarr says: No, no, we will not manage to understand each other this way.
[ Avoid posting profanity on the boards, even if censoring a letter or two. --Karyuu ]
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Do they actually say they will just reincarnate from the death relam? Thats terrible. Its really against the settings.
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Yup, in PS world nobody actualy dies ;P and soon the oxygen will case to exist ;P
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Yup, in PS world nobody actualy dies ;P and soon the oxygen will case to exist ;P
Well Krans dont breathe, and there is lots of plants growing in the submerged lower levels that produce a never ending Oxygen supply (if in fact there is any oxygen at all)
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Do they actually say they will just reincarnate from the death relam? Thats terrible. Its really against the settings.
Yup. A lot of them do, anyway. (Eh... don't ask how I know that...)
And sorry about the ill-concealed profanities, Kay.
(Though you might want to add 'kwdecide' to the chat-filter (I came up with that anagram all by myself!), as I noticed it wasn't filtered out in-game. Hey, I could be Planeshift's official swearword-consultant!)
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Speaking of the dead...
Ask Death this:
"Am I dead?"
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^ I was still a little confused in the early morning; took me a while to realise that you refer to the "Death Guardian"... :D