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Title: [ORGANIZATION] Black Sun Union Promotional Poster
Post by: lordraleigh on January 02, 2007, 06:00:00 am
[ Note: Below this post are the rules(Not part of the IC Poster, but OOC Rules and some IC special features - IC Laws will be given in game) the History of the previously called Republican Movement is at the "Informational Handbook" (http://www.freewebs.com/yrmbook/). Also I will post more information about its "guilds" as soon as possible, the Legion already is there (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=27773.0)  ]

Black Sun Progressist Union

Progress in Liberty, Education, Culture and Science

     The Black Sun Progressist Union is the groupment of several autonomous organizations dedicated to several different fields of activity under the same banner of bringing progress in all its forms, while defending liberty.

The Basic Constitutional Rule, dedicated to Freedom:

Wide Goals, pointing to the Future: (http://www.freewebs.com/yrmbook/chapter2.html)

     The motto "Freedom, Science, and Progress" resumes the main eternal goals of the Black Sun Union.

     There is no point when one should think that "there is nothing better than this!" as there is always room for improvement, the Black Sun Union will progress in all fields, from all forms of power to social welfare of its members, and not even reaching the most distant lands and establishing the nation of progress, the Eljar Republic, will make us settle down. While our power grows, the freedom will shine more and more brighter through Education and Culture and scientifical breakthroughs will be done through Research ensuring that the future will be better for all.

An Innovative Structure: (http://www.freewebs.com/yrmbook/chapter3.html)

     Using a reversed hierarchy(Where the foundation can block the decisions of the elected representatives and take direct actions), the Movement has no kind of authoritarism inside its ranks, where all relationships of leadership are based on trust and charisma(As all the leaders are also elected and must be accepted by the ones he "leads") instead of the already mentioned despotic forms of hierarchy and "leadership". We have a strong financial, ideological and structural foundation, where the main ruling branch, the Core of the Black Sun influences through the direct rule of members(usually from the Political Wing) and through indirect representation the Black Core itself the highly autonomous Legion of the Black Sun, Novari Institute of Scientifical Progress, Sunlight Society for Educational Growth, Treman School of Artistical Freedom and Black Watch Counter Intelligence Directorate.

     Also the Black Core is where the political and economic activities of the whole Union are realized. Those are controlled respectively by:

Political Wing

     The political wing focuses the ruling power, public promotion and political activities of the organization that is formed by different fields of specialization and also contains generalist positions. The fields of it are: General, Administrative, Diplomatic, Justice and Lawmaking, and lastly but not least important, Public Relations.

Economic Wing

     The Economic Wing is the financial backbone of the organization and the main promoter of its economic ideologies based on cooperative, ruled by everyone workplaces and on individual enterpreunership and artisan creativity, having the goal of promoting on the free flow of creative ideas on the market and of funding promissing and innovative areas of business. It is also divided into fields of activity, plus the associate freelance merchants, artisans and enterpreneurs, these fields are: Credits, responsible for fiscalizing the organization against scams and for deciding how, when and where funds should be invested; Management, responsible for its administration; Production for developing and "manufacturing" goods and services and Trade and Logistics for planning and organizing sales, commercial routes, distribution and stockpiling. The Economic Wing also can elect their exclusive representative, the Managerial President

     The only form of standard "hierarchy" that exists, is individual, not collective based, a measurement of the degree of freedom, independence, personal evolution and identity (http://www.freewebs.com/yrmbook/chapter4.html) that each one has. It is divided into six degrees, from the very dependent and conformist Servants to the highly evolved, capable, individualistic and laws-independent Self Rulers(No one yet had the honor of being classified as one). Such degrees are based into two things: the opinion of most about the individual and self-criticism(And any excessive pride that blocks self-criticism obviously blocks any chance of being honored with such titles).

     As already mentioned, it works in both direct rule from its members through consensus or voting of majority and in indirect representation of the President and other "superiors". Also important to note is that voting is a right, not a duty and no one is obbliged to participate into the sessions of decision-making in the rooms of the organizations or in the Core Hall. Also if any member abuses from his power, he may be dismissed by voting.

     Now a brief description of the organizations that form the Union (http://www.freewebs.com/yrmbook/chapter4.html#guilds):

Sunlight Society: Its members struggle to bring the free flow of knowledge and conscience to the people. It educates them to freedom.

Treman School: Bringers of true culture to the people and teachers of artistical skills to those with potential, this Artistical School supports all forms of art, specially innovative ones.

Novari Institute: All fields of science are unveiled by this institution that struggles to lead all to new ages of development.

Black Watch: It is impossible to avoid completely unsavory types and curious onlookers and eavesdroppers from joining in. That is where the Black Watch Counter Intelligence Directorate enters, to break the covers and masks of those. No one except the Seer use insignias.

The Legion(Also known as the Black Militia) (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=27773.0): While most military forces exist to defend or take over territories, resources and wealth among other materialistic interests, the Black Militia defend an ideal and a right, fighting in defense of freedom when necessary. All members, except for reserves, have minimum tactical knowledge and not always need the support of Commanders and Tactical Officers.

Note: After an idea for changing the name and the policy of the organizations was approved, the old names became outdated, and the secondary requirement of supporting politically the idea of freedom or of activism for it is not as important for the scientifical, educational and cultural parts of the Union.

If you wish to know if you are suitable for joining in (http://www.freewebs.com/yrmbook/chapter2.html#membership), read our Informational Handbook (http://www.freewebs.com/yrmbook/) that is being distributed around Hydlaa and soon in Ojaveda as well and visit our Public Relations Office (http://yrm.11.forumer.com/index.php). If you find yourself suitable, you will not regret if you decide to apply for membership
Title: Link to the history behind the idea of Eljar Republic
Post by: lordraleigh on January 02, 2007, 06:02:48 am
http://yrm.11.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=9 (http://yrm.11.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=9)

[The forum is finally ready]
Title: OOC Rules and Additional Facts
Post by: lordraleigh on January 02, 2007, 06:04:22 am
OOC Rules

The Black Sun Union is strongly based on the concept of Roleplaying, and as such if your character is willing to join as a member you should:

    1) Know about Planeshift Settings (http://www.planeshift.it/setting.html),  Roleplaying (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=10310.0) and have a decently developed character (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=26131.0)

    2) Be aware that The Black Sun Union is definitively very roleplay oriented and many of the actions done by members(entering in the buildings, making sessions to decide things, etc.) will be fully based on roleplay as they are impossible to be done through the current game engine.

    3) Remember to avoid using the word "guild" In-Character as the Black Sun Union is not a guild, but an organization.

    4) Accept fully the consequences of Roleplaying an "evil" character on a harsh laws system against such. Remember, if your character is caught(In a RP obviously) taking some funds of the organization to him or, snooping around as a spy, he will be immediately hunted and executed(May change to "turned over to authorities" if necessary to adapt to the Settings)

    5) If your character seems to be fitting, it will sooner or later meet some of the members that also are involved into finding new members, and it will be roleplayed something before you are recruited... Mass-recruitment is a bane for RP-based organizations.

    6) Also if you join in, you must not spread IC secrets about the Black Sun Union OOCly as it consists in a *spoiler* and will take down the fun from surprises, and taint roleplay as well(Playing dumb is a challenge for many people). Also this is considered as the same as provoking a flame war in the forums, and will be answered properly.
 
[Back to IC:] Exclusive and Non Exclusive membership and Multi-assignments

     If you are already a member of another organization that does not oppose to civil liberties, and if you sympathize with the Black Sun Union but are not willing to leave your current organization, do not worry. We are not very restrictive and allow you to join our organization as well as an non exclusive member. In this case you either become a primary non exclusive member, that dedicates most of your time to the Black Sun Union, or a secondary member, that focus more into the other organization you belong to.

    Also if you think you are capable enough to do so, you may be assigned to multiple positions inside the same or in different of our united organizations. Before asking to apply for such thing, note that as you chose to work in more positions, your responsabilities grow equally so you should only apply for it if you are sure you can handle it.

Honorary Gifts (http://www.freewebs.com/yrmbook/chapter5.html#gifts) and Identifications (http://www.freewebs.com/yrmbook/chapter3.html#insign)

    Those that became notorious on their struggle receive honorary gifts of two types. First Gifts are for peaceful accomplishments, and they are trophies. Second Gifts that are for military accomplishments, and they are medals for individual honor, or monuments for collective honors.
    Also we use no kind of uniform, as we believe in that individuality should be enhanced and that such things detract from the path to become a Self Ruler. But many of us wear insignias, the only official indentification, or clothes that match the colors of our flag.
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
Post by: bilbous on January 02, 2007, 08:03:41 am
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4.3.1 Forceful Obedience: To obblige someone to obey blindly an structured lawful hierarchy through the use of violence, intimidation and other forms of abuse. Punishable by ostracism.

Isn't this kind of self contradictory? How can you have a law that outlaws laws as this law seems to do? Ostracism is a form of abuse and intimidation.

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4.3.3 Mind control: To use any possible method to smash or distort the freedom of thought of someone. Punishable by death.
Are you going to kill me if I get someone drunk and jolly them into mooning the legislature?

I can see you put a lot of effort into writing this up but I don't see how this can work. However I don't understand a lot of involved things that work in spite of me so perhaps you will find people to join. Good luck!

P.S Be sure to mark your borders well so I will know when to prepare to slaughter my way out if worst comes to worst.
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
Post by: lordraleigh on January 02, 2007, 08:45:24 am
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4.3.1 Forceful Obedience: To obblige someone to obey blindly an structured lawful hierarchy through the use of violence, intimidation and other forms of abuse. Punishable by ostracism.

Isn't this kind of self contradictory? How can you have a law that outlaws laws as this law seems to do? Ostracism is a form of abuse and intimidation.

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4.3.3 Mind control: To use any possible method to smash or distort the freedom of thought of someone. Punishable by death.
Are you going to kill me if I get someone drunk and jolly them into mooning the legislature?

I can see you put a lot of effort into writing this up but I don't see how this can work. However I don't understand a lot of involved things that work in spite of me so perhaps you will find people to join. Good luck!

P.S Be sure to mark your borders well so I will know when to prepare to slaughter my way out if worst comes to worst.

"4.3.1 Forceful Obedience: To obblige someone to obey blindly an structured lawful hierarchy through the use of violence, intimidation and other forms of abuse. Punishable by ostracism."

No one is obbliged to obey blindly the laws, as even the laws themselves are subject to being questioned by the people, and if most of the people finds it better to remove or change some of them, so it will be through a referenda. Also it says "obey blindly an structured lawful hierarchy", it means if some organization or guild inside there uses violence to force its members into obedience, it will be breaking their freedom and as such the law. And ostracism as the name says requires that most are willing to banish the one who did it, just like in Athens(But in Eljar Republic everyone has citizenship rights).

"Are you going to kill me if I get someone drunk and jolly them into mooning the legislature?"

Alcohol is not an instrument of mind control, if one was drunk and accepted the suggestion of another, he would still do it from his own will... the "possible methods" refers to magic but it is a generic word just in case new methods are developed.

"P.S Be sure to mark your borders well so I will know when to prepare to slaughter my way out if worst comes to worst."

As it said before "If your character is evil, you must be aware and accept the fact of the harsh justice against most crimes"
And this is the first "lawmaking" attempt from my part(if not the first on PS roleplaying organizations).

P.S. The only unchangeable law in Eljar is it fundamental principle of Freedom and Eljar follows the Natural Law.

Quote from: Wikipedia
"According to natural law jurisprudence, the fundamental principles of all law derive from nature and the natural world, or from a supreme being, depending on the particular perspective—but it is never the creation of human societies or governments....Whereas legal positivism would say that a law can be unjust without it being any less a law, a natural law jurisprudence would say that there is something legally deficient about an unjust law."
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
Post by: bilbous on January 02, 2007, 09:05:50 am
Alcohol is an instrument of mind control unless you don't consider releasing inhibitions that would otherwise remain in check a controlling effect. First you break down the subjects resistance and then you implant your suggestion. Drunk people often act in ways they would not otherwise.

I don't think you will find anyone who will say my character is evil, possibly objectionable in one way or another but not evil. I just don't fancy having to talk my way out of a jam with people I can't comprehend, even if we speak the same language. If it is a choice between me and a bunch of you, I would choose me if possible and to take as many of you with me if not.

I guess you are the "hindmost"... if you get the allusion whose origin escapes me at the moment. Something science fiction-y I am sure.
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
Post by: John80sk on January 02, 2007, 09:33:25 am
alcohol is not mind control.  Not unless you forcibly injected someone with alchohol and convinced them to do something in their stupor.
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
Post by: Nikodemus on January 02, 2007, 11:57:54 am
I wonder, did you really read the setting?
Why there is no word about current government of Yliakum?
For example, You treat the Hydlaa like it is the only territory which is not part of The Republic of Eljar, while everything except it is. Everything has a government already.
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
Post by: lordraleigh on January 02, 2007, 06:31:51 pm
I wonder, did you really read the setting?
Why there is no word about current government of Yliakum?
For example, You treat the Hydlaa like it is the only territory which is not part of The Republic of Eljar, while everything except it is. Everything has a government already.


On the contrary... Eljar will be away from the safe and civilized world of Yliakum

"Everything has a government already. "

This is far-fetched to affirm, if not fully absurd. How could all lands beyond Yliakum have governments and be civilized?

I guess this is all the "support" that the community will give...
A rain of criticisms(mostly not constructive and some even not justifiable), I was expecting this.

Hydlaa is where the Embassy of Eljar exists to negotiate with Yliakum Government. One should read all the content before misjudging

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"Ministry of Diplomacy: Responsible for keeping the peace and smooth relationships with mainly the Yliakum government, and also with other nations, once the horizons expand."

And Bilbous, it is not supposed to become this kind of "democracy":

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Politically, the puppeteers have a form of democracy with two major parties: the Conservatives and the Experimentalists. The Conservatives have held power for a majority of Puppeteer history; Experimentalist regimes only take power when a crisis threatens the safety of the Puppeteer race, and action is considered less dangerous than inaction.

The leader of the Puppeteers is known as the Hindmost. Since Puppeteers are concerned with their own safety and the survival of their species foremost, the most important Puppeteer is considered to be behind every other member of the species, or protected by them. It is a shortening from the more literal the one who leads from behind.
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
Post by: Karyuu on January 02, 2007, 06:34:36 pm
Yliakum is the entire cave with all of the different levels. As far as knowledge goes, there are no other worlds for the people living inside.

(http://www.planeshift.it/pix/yliakum_map.jpg)
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
Post by: lordraleigh on January 02, 2007, 06:47:38 pm
Yliakum is the entire cave with all of the different levels. As far as knowledge goes, there are no other worlds for the people living inside.

(http://www.planeshift.it/pix/yliakum_map.jpg)

Leave forever Yliakum... to become a legend like Kadaikos... or to meet Doom.

Regardless of the final result, the Yliakum Republican Movement will survive
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
Post by: bilbous on January 02, 2007, 06:56:14 pm
No need to be so hasty, there is the virtually unknown territories of the Stone Labyrinth and beyond to justify outside empires but they will have little commerce with the known world for a long time to come.
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
Post by: zhai on January 02, 2007, 07:11:10 pm
When I first read your post I had the same concerns as Nikodemus, as in "how does this really fit into the settings?". True, you can say the land of Eljar is somewhere outside Yliakum. Other guilds have similar points (being a monarchy somewhere else and so on) but I think you would have to limit your activities to that which diplomacy would allow in a foreign nation if you wish to have a peaceful relationship with Yliakum's Government. In other words, I don't think you could claim any territory inside Yliakum as yours, unless you are an invading force determined to conquer the stalactite or a section of it.

I wouldn't give up just yet. It's obvious you put a lot of work into it. The grey areas in the settings and the absence of certain elements in-game like law enforcement, government instances, judicial systems, etc. sometimes lead us to assume they do not exist. But they do. Keyword: Beta.

Maybe with a little editing you can find a good place for your Republic within the settings. Just remember that Yliakum already has a government and it extends to all levels of the stalactite. Maybe redefining it as "Embassy of the Republic of Eljar" or "Army of the Republic of Eljar" would help.


edit: typo
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
Post by: lanser on January 02, 2007, 07:15:45 pm
@Bilbous Hindmost leader of the Pierson's Puppeteers from the Ringworld (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringworld) series by Larry Niven ;)
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
Post by: Araye on January 02, 2007, 07:21:38 pm
Yes, very hasty.

I don't remember how the empire defines empire, but I don't think they mean to be a collection of countries (I could be wrong, feel free to correct).  They started out as a single guild and grew to be a multiple expanse of guilds.  You seem to be putting the cart before the horse by announcing your grand intentions before they can be realized.

I'm not sure Karyuu is totally correct by saying "... there are no other worlds .." because there are.  Just that, there is no known way back.  You need to read the additions to the settings that she posts here http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=26653.0  for additional information about the setting.

If you are going to add to the setting (the way your guild does currently), you need to have the Devs approve it.  This isn't going to happen.  If everyone that came along was able to modify the setting, there would be no coherent setting.

So you can still RP your empire, just that most characters are going to consider you "the crazy guy in Hydlaa Plaza".

Start your guild, try to convince more people to join.  Make sure they RP your guild to the fullest.  Make a name for yourself.  Eventually, if you survive, your ideas will spread and you will be taken a lot more seriously.  It's not like you're the first to come from a land outside Yliakum.  But you also need to understand that the devs have said, there is no "to/from" travel in Yliakum at this time.  (I would post a link if I could find it.  I think it was in Sept.'s Q&A.)

You've spent a lot of time working on your ideas; now you should attempt to RP them if they mean that much to you.

Araye

I too find some of the comments to be "abrasive" at times (like WTF are you thinking NEWB!)  But even if they seems harsh, they are mostly coming from a love for PS and the betterment of the world in which the characters live.  I do think the commenters are honestly trying to help you (or any other poster).  You should take the criticsm from that point of view.  I know I used to be offend ALL the time, until I figured this out.  They are trying to help you.
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
Post by: bilbous on January 02, 2007, 07:29:04 pm
Sort of sounds like this empire of leading by following doesn't it? I found the reference after I posted, in wikipedia, no less.

I actually thought this was a good idea but it has some challenges that need to be accounted for. Hopefully the OP won't be too discouraged, but he wouldn't be the first.

It is kind of sad that a person goes to a lot of effort to make a public offering like this and all he hears are mostly the challenges his creation will face. I think it is better to try and give some feedback than just to ignore the posting. If I thought the idea had no merit I would not hesitate to completely ignore it.
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
Post by: Karyuu on January 02, 2007, 08:10:15 pm
I'm not sure Karyuu is totally correct by saying "... there are no other worlds .." because there are.  Just that, there is no known way back.

Hey.. :P

Quote from: Karyuu
As far as knowledge goes, there are no other worlds for the people living inside.

The people of Yliakum do not know of any other worlds, nor even the "surface." There are legends of the Stone Labyrinths and the city of Kadaikos, but that is a legend at this point and nothing more. [edit] While it's true that the different races came from different worlds, what I mean in my earlier sentences is that there are no known worlds nearby that you could just "pop" into, whether by travel or magic. Sure, you can invent something and make yourself a portal, but that's generally considered taking the easy way out.[/edit]

I'm very impressed with the level of detail and thought that was put into the organization of this concept - if every guild was this thought-out, I would be hugging people left and right (http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7151/pleasedhc3.gif) So there are definitely positives. I'm sorry if I don't spend the time to mark them out whenever I post, I only have a limited amount of energy sometimes.
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
Post by: Parallo on January 02, 2007, 08:18:38 pm
I didn't read it all but, from by brief skim, the problem could be solved by making it into a political party presenting itself as an alternative to the current system rater than a seperate government itself already. I'd like to see this idea thrive (Although not as much as the Empire :P). Its too good to die.
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
Post by: Nikodemus on January 02, 2007, 08:31:48 pm
The work put into this organization is really big and since there is really no doubt about it, i asked about the only thing which bothered me ;) I was hoping you will give the answer, but instead others did and so i will continue ;)
Fact is that centuries ago, people of different race crossd the portals and dound themselves in the middle of almost barren cave world with no light source. They traveled for years before they reached Yliakum. If life in these caves is tought, it is possible. So if you really want to start actual contry, if somewhere, it is a place where it could be. And life there, even if with no lightsource, wouldn't be that tought, since these people could trade with people from Yliakum. For example, precious mined resources for food.
You probably also wouldn't have problems with too low population, because its is a commonly known fact that Yliakum don't have problems with overpopulating, because many young adventures go to stone labirynths and never come back (die for example). You could use this fact and claim that some of these people reach your country and stay there, what would make it even more believable to exist.
As been said, you could even try to claim some Yliakum lands by various way, including force, but none of it would be simple, but very near impossible.

Anyway, that would be really original idea for an organization/guilds, only you may have problems with getting members. Because before we will have some stone labirynths, other maps will be finished before this. But i wouldn't be suprised if we would have sooner than later a mining camp deep inside stone labiryths. A place which you would claim as yours country teritory.

If you will fight enough for your idea and make it really believable, in PS setting (what is possible), talk with setting devs, maybe in few years you will have official guild ;) Yes, i'm optimistic and i try to encourage you.
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Communities of Eljar
Post by: lordraleigh on January 02, 2007, 09:53:33 pm
Thanks for the support... now Eljar Republic is only a part of the whole thing... it will mostly be a chance for those who have well developed characters but wish to make a break from them to roleplay their new ones or different ones. While the Republican Movement will be a group of several organizations that will defend the republican ideals inside Yliakum.

Now while the fate of Eljar Republic is unsure(And it will take more some months finding people to leave), as that once all leave from Yliakum communications will be cutted off for a long time, the same cannot be said about the Republican Movement(As such the Embassy is highly conceptual for now)

I hope these changes will adequate it more to the settings.

P.S. The members consider Eljar as having no alignment as they don't believe in moral dualism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism#Moral_dualism).
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Communities of Eljar(Republic and Republican Movement)
Post by: LARAGORN on January 03, 2007, 02:44:52 pm
I am impressed with the level of detail you have set out lordraleigh, clearly you have been thinking about this for some time. I would suggest  another indepth review of the settings and history of Yliakum, as i believe with a few adjustments you can make this epic idea fit.

Good luck and keep the passion for PS  :)
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] Yliakum Republican Movement Propag...*cough* Promotional Post
Post by: lordraleigh on January 11, 2007, 09:07:18 pm
    As Annera was handling several red books to other members, she said in a cheerful and charismatic tone during a speech:
__Today our organization will come to proeminence comrades! We should spread our words through the masses, through the scientifical community and across the whole Yliakum! Soon we will not only be known, but also have enough fame to attract crowds of people that sympathizes with our ideals! Another phase of development begun for us! Lets bring the good news to the world! We are the Future!
   Several applauses and cheers came around, as the members were getting the red books labeled as "Informational Handbook of the Yliakum Republican Movement", suddenly one of those books reached your hands as an activist gave it to you, and you decided to open it (http://www.freewebs.com/yrmbook).

[lordraleigh awaits the bombardment of criticisms against the design of the site, hoping most will be constructive criticisms...
My web design skills are not very good, and I have no dreamweaver with me to make fancier stuff(Something that also I do not see as necessary) ]
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] Yliakum Republican Movement Propag...*cough* Promotional Post
Post by: Nikodemus on January 12, 2007, 12:25:02 am
You could have choisen better colors. I understand you want the book to be red. But why the green writing? Also, most red books has just only red covers.
Well, just balance the colors.
I wont judge the design as you obviously know little about html. One advice though, best sites are done in editors like notepad. Although if you like colored html tags, use notepad ++. Dremwaver is not what you need ;)
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] Yliakum Republican Movement Propag...*cough* Promotional Post
Post by: lordraleigh on January 12, 2007, 12:39:27 am
You could have choisen better colors. I understand you want the book to be red. But why the green writing? Also, most red books has just only red covers.
Well, just balance the colors.
I wont judge the design as you obviously know little about html. One advice though, best sites are done in editors like notepad. Although if you like colored html tags, use notepad ++. Dremwaver is not what you need ;)

About the design it is very simple HTML with CSS, IFrames and Tables, no javascript, PHP, CGI-BIN or other more complex things(And I used NVU to make it, to speed up the process, but I know enough of HTML, I just almost never practice it and usually forget most of it because of the lack of practice).

That "Green" Writing in the "Banner" will be there temporarily until someone with better Photoshop or GIMP skills than mine makes a better Banner for it(I made that one with 12 layers in GIMP, but my skills are at best mediocre, I know)

The book was firstly designed to be fully red colored including the pages. It is part of the marketing(Propaganda) strategy of making something really unique to promote the organization and to fix the its public image with the "Red Book".

About colors... the main colors that will be used in it are either brown tones, black tones or red tones. As it says, it is a temporary(placeholder) design that will be replaced as soon as possible(My first idea was to make a open book background but it was beyond my meager skills).

I will gladly accept a suggestion on the colors layout involving black, brown or red.
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] Yliakum Republican Movement Propag...*cough* Promotional Post
Post by: Nikodemus on January 12, 2007, 01:47:36 am
I have no idea why you had to use iframes.
Banner, just make the green writing a red shade or something, i'm sure you know how to play with hue , especially that you used layers
Consider using lighter colors. Pages of books are white, in the past light brown i suppose. I gues red coloring is possible, but very light red, due to ink rules. Letters are black, or dark, as there arent really light inks. Mainly because light ink is poorly visible, when the pages are dark already.

But maybe someone else will comment on the content instead?
Title: Re: [ORGANIZATION] Yliakum Republican Movement Promotional Poster
Post by: lordraleigh on January 26, 2007, 12:29:28 am
*Annera pins a small parchment with a note in a recently placed board at the front of the Movement headquarters

We are looking for:

     The Novari Institute of Scientifical Progress and the Legion of the Dark Sun are already operational, and we are looking for the proper people to join in on either of those so we can expand ourselves and register officially these organizations as entities separated from the Core of the Black Sun, here will be the details the people we are looking for on each(besides the minimum conditions (http://www.freewebs.com/yrmbook/chapter2.html#membership) that are stated in our handbook):

Legion of the Black Sun

     Militiamen of the Legion must be physically and mentally prepared to exerce their functions regardless of being advised or not by a Commander and be ready to embrace the ideals of Freedom. Here are the most important requirements:


Novari Institute

     Researchers must be able to work in group between specialists of many mundane scientifical and magical sciences fields. Here are the main conditions to be applicable as one:


If you are interested and think you have the conditions to fit in, you can be sure you will not regret if you decide to ask for membership.

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Also the website has been updated to a better color scheme, and as stated the currently simple structure from it is temporary, and as soon as possible a new, more elaborated version will replace it

Finally something already happened and you can check its written version here: http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=27316.0 (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=27316.0)

And lastly: The names of the organizations were changed. Mostly for IC reasons, but also for OOC reasons(Mainly because the previous names lacked originality and the main name was a little alike to this one (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=17859.0)). IC reasons include: A more appropriate name for the way it is organized, the fact its goals are not specifically centered on republicanism, the fact it does not intend to remain and operate forever only inside Yliakum, to make the purpose of each organization inside it more clear, among many others.

Also an important note: as soon as one of those mentioned here have people to become the "guildmasters", to promote it in these forums(Not for the Legion, as for now most members aren't common users of the forums) and to manage their own forums(they may have their own online forums beyond the main forum of the Black Sun Progressist Union, but I think that for now it's better to have a centralized forum for all but the Black Watch C.I.D.). Also the Legion already became a guild OOCly(IC it will be considered as an organization).
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