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Title: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: Andoryn Thaakor on January 02, 2007, 09:58:06 pm

Hi guys... I hope you can solve this. Since the update fixing the crafting, or maybe the one jst before, I can't even make a dent in a pack of butter, while my noob sister kills gladiators in the arena without a scratch... Here's the breakdown:

Andoryn Thaakor Vs. Dinthaka Thaakor
48 Agility 40
61 Charisma 41
94 Endurance 98
48 Intelligence 67
107 Strength 94
54 Will 42
6 Swords 1
5 Knives & Daggers 0
4 Melee 0
4 Light Armor 0
3 Crystal way 0
2 Azure way 0
2 Blue way 0
3 Red way 0
3 Brown way 0
2 Dark way 0
8 Mining <1
0 Herbal 9

132 Hitpoints 131
19 Mana 13
437 Physical Stamina 428
271 Mental Stamina 234
Leather armor ----- No Armor

I hope anyone can solve this, because I can't even kill something that will give me some PP's so I can train. I was used to whack the gladiators and rogues in the arena. (In the hallway with the Dermorian and Kran gladiator) I just can't understand why I can't even kill a simple Tefusang anymore.

Thanks for your time... I will try to get something easier in the meantime. I just hope I can find something to kill without dying myself first.  :(

Title: Re: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: eldoth_terevan on January 02, 2007, 10:27:46 pm

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4 Light Armor 0
Leather armor ----- No Armor

So one character has level four Light Armour and is actually wearing armor. The other character has 0 level Light Armour and is wearing no armor at all. That would probably make a noticeable difference.

Title: Re: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: Araye on January 02, 2007, 10:47:58 pm

El, I think he's saying he has 4 LA and is wearing LA and his sister has 0 LA and is not wearing armor, but SHE can kill glads and HE can't.  I think he is also saying he has weapons skill and she doesn't, but she can still kill glads and he can't.

But I'd like to point out, there are tefus and there are tefus.  He may have gone up against the super tefu in the arena...

From what he posted, Andoryn should be the more advanced character...

Title: Re: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: Jeraphon on January 02, 2007, 10:56:37 pm

Check the quality of your weapons and armour. If they're getting below half, they become really difficult to do/absorb damage.

Title: Re: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: eldoth_terevan on January 02, 2007, 11:00:05 pm

Heh. Even after New Year's Araye is much more lucid and enlightened than I. could your weapons be at really low quality, Andoryn? Because otherwise I cannot understand why what you say should be...

Title: Re: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: Andoryn Thaakor on January 03, 2007, 12:20:30 am

Can't be the weapons... Dinthaka has only a few sword bought from Harnquist. I have silver falchions and a crafted sword by Einnol. Far better. And yes, we're sisters, and both female.

Besides that, I have a fresh, full set of leather armor, and Dinthaka has NONE.

But, strangest thing, she's doing the things I was getting used to, while I feel like a newb now... Rats for me, while she's killing gladiators.

[Inside info, although these are separate characters, they are both played on the same account.]

Title: Re: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: neko kyouran on January 03, 2007, 12:32:09 am

Check the quality on YOUR weapons.  You use them awahile without repairing them, they will be worse off than store bought ones.

Title: Re: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: Andoryn Thaakor on January 03, 2007, 01:31:58 am

So, you actually think I've not considered all variables concerning myself? Shame on you... In that case I wouldn't have bothered to post.

Title: Re: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: Karyuu on January 03, 2007, 01:57:41 am

You didn't mention all these variables, so it was a very safe assumption on the part of everyone replying that you might have missed this all. What differences are there in the quality of armor and (slash of) weapons you are using?

Title: Re: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: emeraldfool on January 03, 2007, 04:14:15 am

Quote from: Andoryn Thaakor on January 03, 2007, 01:31:58 am

So, you actually think I've not considered all variables concerning myself? Shame on you... In that case I wouldn't have bothered to post.

I'm surprised you assume to know all of the possible variables concerning yourself...

Title: Re: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: Araye on January 03, 2007, 04:26:46 am

Hey Andoryn, you have to remember people of ALL skill levels play this game and many won't know you from Adam (or Eve).  Most assume they are helping a new player (I often do) whether  the person being helped is new or not ('cause they don't know him/her personally). 

They are just trying to help.  Please don't think they are belittling your skills.  Also know that these posts live on for a LONG time.  The problem you are having may be encountered by someone that IS actually a new player and some of the suggestions may be the answer to their problem.  The suggested help isn't meant to put you down by insulting your intelligence, but to actually help you. 

So if you have already examined "the obvious" suggestions offered so far, just say, "I thought of that and that isn't it" so that other solutions can be suggested.

Personally, I think you've found some sort of bug.  So you may have to provide even more information.

Araye

Title: Re: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: Nikodemus on January 03, 2007, 11:23:45 pm

she is just smarter than you, compare your and her inteligence ;P

Title: Re: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: Andoryn Thaakor on January 03, 2007, 11:57:19 pm

I use 2 Silver falchions to attack, Quality 49/50 Speed 1.90 Slash 2.20. But I get hurt, even with my armor, which is only slightly worn. Even when I take out my longsword, made by master smith Einnol Feldorm, which has a quality of 166/50, speed 2.10, slash 2.20, I still die. (Which is not that weird, as the falchions are more useful in combat.)

My sister has no armor, and uses a single shortsword, Quality 23/50 Speed 2.00 Slash 2.00. She kills the gladiators without a scratch.

So, at least it can't be the weapons, nor the armor that I wear.

Yes, she has a bit more Intelligence, and Endurance. But I have better agility, strenghth, will, charisma, better training in weapons and armor, and at least I have armor. But it does me no good. First I thought that the chainmail armor may be at fault, so I switched back to leather, but to no avail. It makes no difference whatsoever.

If those few points in Intelligence make this much a difference, then I think there's something wrong.

Quote from: emeraldfool on January 03, 2007, 04:14:15 am

Quote from: Andoryn Thaakor on January 03, 2007, 01:31:58 am

So, you actually think I've not considered all variables concerning myself? Shame on you... In that case I wouldn't have bothered to post.

I'm surprised you assume to know all of the possible variables concerning yourself...

Well, I know what I can see. I can compare all the numbers I can conjure up and I sort of know what they mean aswell. Except for one enigmatic number in the inventory screen that seems without description, and is usually 0.

Title: Re: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: Nikodemus on January 04, 2007, 12:58:29 am

Andoryn, i was just teasking you ;P
Does she get messages about the gladiator attacking her?

Title: Re: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: Andoryn Thaakor on January 04, 2007, 01:17:36 am

Yes, the messages I'd love to see again aswell... Attacked the <take any bodypart> and was blocked.

There's nothing wrong with the combat situation. And ofcourse I'm proud my sister handles herself so well, but I find it weird she's doing so well, when I'm supposed to teach her the ropes and fail miserably.

By the way, the Tefusang I was referring to in the beginning, was just a normal one, in the neighbourhood of Ojaveda. You probably know what I mean. There's quite a herd of them there. But whatever I try, be it in the sewers, be it in the country, be it in the arena, all I could kill before with conciderable ease, is now too tough for me. Even the roaming rogue that only gives 80 experience, would have killed me if I hadn't had a stock of superior healing potions. But I ran out of those quite soon.

The Tefu near Oja only need about 3 to 4 hits before I have to run off with my bruised body and ego. I haven't even had a proper chance to hit back. He's maybe down 10 to 20% while I only have 5% left. I've been killing these with considerable ease for Toda before though.

I'm just saying, it's not adding up. If anyone wants to accompany me and my sister to witness it all for themselves, be my guest. I'm around quite a lot. Just hollor.

Title: Re: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: LARAGORN on January 04, 2007, 03:18:19 am

Quote from: Andoryn Thaakor on January 04, 2007, 01:17:36 am

Yes, the messages I'd love to see again aswell... Attacked the <take any bodypart> and was blocked.

There's nothing wrong with the combat situation. And ofcourse I'm proud my sister handles herself so well, but I find it weird she's doing so well, when I'm supposed to teach her the ropes and fail miserably.

By the way, the Tefusang I was referring to in the beginning, was just a normal one, in the neighbourhood of Ojaveda. You probably know what I mean. There's quite a herd of them there. But whatever I try, be it in the sewers, be it in the country, be it in the arena, all I could kill before with conciderable ease, is now too tough for me. Even the roaming rogue that only gives 80 experience, would have killed me if I hadn't had a stock of superior healing potions. But I ran out of those quite soon.

The Tefu near Oja only need about 3 to 4 hits before I have to run off with my bruised body and ego. I haven't even had a proper chance to hit back. He's maybe down 10 to 20% while I only have 5% left. I've been killing these with considerable ease for Toda before though.

I'm just saying, it's not adding up. If anyone wants to accompany me and my sister to witness it all for themselves, be my guest. I'm around quite a lot. Just hollor.

One of those Tefus is one mean beast, 2 are normal ones. Have you tried fighting the same one and waiting for it to respawn?

Title: Re: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: Bartholin on January 04, 2007, 08:34:45 am

Quote from: Andoryn Thaakor on January 02, 2007, 09:58:06 pm

Thanks for your time... I will try to get something easier in the meantime. I just hope I can find something to kill without dying myself first.  :(

a) check all weapons and armor in use.
b) make sure said weapons give no boosts
c) make sure your both attacking the same mob (wait for respawn)
d) ask her to hold on lv.'ing and you make up the extra points in w/e she is ahead of you by.
e) repeat a-c

try switching weapons...
and your both the same race? <<<< might be it
if you both ARE.. then you got a bug.. as far as i can see..

Title: Re: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: Pizzasgood on January 04, 2007, 06:16:49 pm

I've had a couple times when the mobs didn't fight back.  They'd stand there and move their arms around, but they never attempted an attack.  They also wouldn't chase me if I backed up.  I don't know if it was a local glitch or a problem with the NPC server that would have affected everyone playing.  The most recent time was just last night.  I haven't logged in yet today, so I don't know if it's still doing it.  Last time it lasted about two days.

I'm not sure if they were blocking anything either.  I remember some of the mesages saying that I attacked and missed, but I don't remember if any of them said I attacked and was blocked.  If they stopped blocking too, then that could explain how your sister can do more damage and receive none.

Title: Re: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: Lyciss on January 06, 2007, 09:05:41 am

Id like to add something similar to this situation of the original poster...

Having one point in LA and wearing the full get-up of leather armor, I was able to defend off many of the mobs in the arena. When I finially got the strength to wear chain, I upgraded thinking this would improve me. Yet it didn't. I had 3 points in medium armor yet the chain armor protected me far less than the leather.  Yes I was using the chain torso, and chain arms, a battle helm with the rest being leather, boots, gloves, legs...

My point is. After all the work to get my strength up to wear chain and I can already hear people responding with, "You need to put more points into MA", it still does not make any sense. There are SO many points just to get the stupid chain armor, then on top of that I need to dump more into MA and LA just to make it AS effective as the leather was already?? This is back peddling... It basicly renders low level MA completely USELESS...

There is definately and inbalance here... I understand the requirement issue, so that people wouldn't just by-pass leather armor and go straight for chain if there were no requirements to use it. However the effectiveness is far below all the effort just to aquire the use of chain, it makes it pointless to even use until you have dumped considerable amount of PP into it.

My solution is to bump up the effectiveness of chain a "little" bit more at lower level of MA skill. The reason being, is all the effort put in for the strength increase, there is basicly nill reward for upgrading to chain even after meeting the minimum strength requirement.

Title: Re: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: Bartholin on January 06, 2007, 09:15:41 am

@ lyciss

 ;D

chain does infact protect you more then leather...'

example... l/a lv 10 ; m/a lv 10

mob - ulbernaught

using l/a 70-80 h/p damage
m/a 40-50 damage

see the dif? i would hope so.. sure you threw pp at l/a dont mean a thing.. O.. not to mention that that was all  :offtopic:  ;D


anyway...

@ topic starter

send me a pm when ya test out my advice.. okay? hope to hear from you.. and hope we can fix this for you.

Title: Re: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: Lyciss on January 06, 2007, 12:32:59 pm

Quote

chain does infact protect you more then leather...'

example... l/a lv 10 ; m/a lv 10

mob - ulbernaught

using l/a 70-80 h/p damage
m/a 40-50 damage

see the dif? i would hope so.. sure you threw pp at l/a dont mean a thing.. O.. not to mention that that was all 

You completely misunderstood what I was pointing out, so let me explain it again...

1 point in light armor vs. 1 point in chain.

If you have 1 point in light armor and wear a full suit of leather it protects better than having 1 point of medium armor and wearing chain.

So the basic run down is

1 point of light armor, leather is better than 1 point of medium armor, chain.

So leather is better than chain. Perhaps as medium and light armor are trained this may change as you pointed out with 10 pts in each. But that is not what I was talking about.  Early points of medium armor are completely "useless" since you are better off sticking with leather until you train up medium armor.

Understand now?

Title: Re: Can anyone explain this? My newb sis is stronger than me!
Post by: Bartholin on January 07, 2007, 12:53:56 am

your wrong.. it only APPEARS like that.. since you only have one item of chain.. the torso armor.. and the arm armor is bugged.. if you had a full set of chain v a full set of leather then you would see. but since a full set of chain is not yet ingame. you cant.. and this is still off topic for this topic.. ;D