PlaneShift
Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Joshed Delerer on January 13, 2007, 05:49:37 pm
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As requested by the GM
Hells Dwarves
In the battles of the past, the 5 original dwarves of the unnamed guild used to slaughter the enemy with no mercy, the enemy at the mere thought of these 5 shuttered, the enemy decided to give a name to these "dwarves of bringing hell", the Hells Dwarves
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Who is the enemy?
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When was the battle? Who are the descendants of the five who carry on the guild, if they are not the same five? :>
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But how did the enemy come to the word "hell." Unless "In the battles of the past" means in another older realm where hell is an actual thing.
EDIT: Also, why did the five dwarves kill enemies without mercy? Any reason? Or were they just a few teenagers pissed off at the world? Also, are there different groups of enemies? Because if all were slaughtered, I wonder who gave them the name...unless only most were...anyway.
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But how did the enemy come to the word "hell." Unless "In the battles of the past" means in another older realm where hell is an actual thing.
And why do we say: "What the hell"? Why is spoon called spoon?
Nontheless i believe each word originates from something, so it would be happy to hear. But possibility that this knowledge has been forgotte is possible.
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second edit(the orignal one i had was 3 pages long and sadly i cant get it off my desky due to windows issues)
Many dawns ago, 5 young dwarves were enslaved by the laanx followers to mine platinum for them. Over the years they noticed the mine was giving more and more silver, they all realized what was happening - and what would happen to them. Over the long nights where the guard would have gone home, they devised a plan to escape, they decided to make weapons out of the silver, which by now was in abundance, they made daggers and swords, crude but weapons none the less. Every morning they heard the footsteps of the guard return, when those footsteps were heard they threw the weapons into a small cavern at the very end of the mine. When the day came when all the platinum disappeared they realized it was do or die. One day in the morning they heard 6 pairs of steps instead of just one, this time they knew this was it. they grabbed their crude weapons of weaved silver and hid them in their hands, they heard the ladder being dropped, they heard the rope bridge creaking, now is the time they said. As the footsteps got louder they got more and more angry, all the hardships they went through, all the pain and suffering, finally, revenge is at hand. As the executioners came around the corner, they drew their weapons and attacked! The executioners were ready for something like this, with mail of chain and weapons of Iron slash, a battle of almost impossible victory for the dwarves. For the exececutioners were wearing much armor, they were slow to attack, to evade compared to these dwarves of almost legendary strength and endurance. With strong will and even stronger hearts they managed to fight relentlessly, and eventually, to win. After the battle, their thirst for revenge, for blood, just was not satisfied; they wanted to know who did this, to these 5, to them. They released a rage of such fury, of such terrible things, such bloodshed; the enemy started calling these "bringers of such terrible things" the Hells Dwarves.
Overtime, these 5 started to help others, and the guild began to grow, they became dwarves of peace, but still the rage is within them, thinking, pondering, never out of thought as of why this done to them and who is responsible. They keep the name Hells Dwarves for the one simple reason, to continually strike fear into the hearts of the enemy and to let them know the battle is not over...it has just begun
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So its another one of those sort of Dermorian Lords and Dwarvesbane types... But wait no! A twist. Instead of race vs. race its race vs. religion. Don't you just love pushing boundaries?
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Maybe the word "Hell" developed from the term "Hail". The Dwarves used to shout in combat "Hail Dwarves!", but in the heat of battle they misspoke the word and said "Hell Dwarves". ;)
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For a start hail is a greeting. Secondly how would a transmutation like that stick from one mispronounciation?
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Well, words change over time, don't they? Different can become associated with them, and by chance the word "Hell" was invented in Yliakum.
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Hail has nothing to do with hell. For that mutation to work hail and hell would have to have the same meaning.
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Well, words change over time, don't they? Different can become associated with them, and by chance the word "Hell" was invented in Yliakum.
That's a bit far reaching of an excuse.
And it has an awesome slippery slope
"Supercharged V8 Shortsword of Atomic Detonation" :P
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And it has an awesome slippery slope
Yes, I wince when I think of all the motorways (Roads) between cities and the medical morphine syringes (Health potions.).
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The name Hells Dwarves doesn't strike any fear into anyone. It strikes doubt about your knowledge over the setting. You should've realised this by now.
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What people dont understand about the name is that we are not implying religion with the word "hell." In fact the word hell isnt even used for religion anymore, it has worked its way into pretty much every language. Our guild uses hell as the definition of terrible things in the worst way
or as the first 2 lines from google
Define:hell
# any place of pain and turmoil; "the hell of battle"; "the inferno of the engine room"; "when you're alone Christmas is the pits";
# a cause of difficulty and suffering; "war is hell"; "go to blazes"
Religion does not even make the first definition in a dictionary anymore
if my communication skills werent so bad right now i would give a much better explination of this
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Yes, but the word still comes from the religious word.
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no, it has just been adopted by religion, and besides if were going to get this picky over a word why not just ban all the words, because all the words in this post are also in the bible, used more than the i believe 2 or 3 times in it
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i agree this is starting to get silly, it's a word for ... whatevers sake :P
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i agree this is starting to get silly, it's a word for ... whatevers sake :P
my sake
siteri is right... but so is elvi, it's evolving to the point of getting ridicilous
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In a non biblican context, wouldn't hell be considered a "bad word" and against the rules anyways?
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Am I mistaken here that there is already a ruling saying hell isn't allowed?
If there is such a ruling this discusion is pointless. If there isn't I think the GMs should give a ruling and get it over with.
In my eyes hell isn't religious but it represents a picture. A picture that doesn't exist in PS. Yes spoon is also just a word but if noone would have ever used a spoon in PS would anyone in PS know what the word spoon would mean? Computer is also just a word. So is machine gun and atomic bom and concreet and so many things where you don't have a discusion about if people should be using them or not.
And personally I have no problem if someone say something like "you can all go to hell" becuase that really has a meaning of it's own. But is Hells Dwarf such an expression? Is it something that would sounds artificial not to use it? No and I think that is where the line should lie. The only reason to use it is becuase of the direct link to the picture we have in our heads (that doesn't exist in Yliakum) and the therefor "coolness" of the word.
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siteri is right... but so is elvi, it's evolving to the point of getting ridicilous
It is only becoming ridicilous because the players keep arguing if it is right or not to use the word. Thing is there has already been numerous times that the commuity has been told that hell does NOT exist in Yliakum. My suggestion is, deal with it already and respect the settings that have been laid out for you to play with. Don't fight about keeping the word hell in the settings, it will never be accpeted no matter how much you want to be right.
The name Hells Dwarves doesn't strike any fear into anyone. It strikes doubt about your knowledge over the setting. You should've realised this by now.
Amen to that.
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Well, as we all know the name wasn't good. So now you have changed your name to "Dwarven Mercenaries"? And you you are a Chaotic Neutral guild so your members say. Sorry to gravedig, but really, why make a copycat guild? Apparently, no good original ideas. We all know who the original mercenary guild was, you aren't fooling anyone.
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It's quite normal to have more than one mercenary guild around. The Mercenaries Guild was the first mercenary guild ever, but it has died. So there. Your mercenary guild isn't original either.
I disagree with the name though. Dwarven Mercenaries? That's a dry name. Far from being creative or interesting.
Also, there are no alignments in PlaneShift. So these dudes aren't Chaotic Neutral. And neither is your guild, or any other guild that currently finds itself playing in PlaneShift's setting.
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Of course, Sangwa. I actually belong to a crafting guild, the CotC. However, there is a mercenary guild on the system that has been active for about a year now, and maybe longer. And they do not allow their members to act in a overtly rude or aggressive manner towards other players, which seems to be condoned in this guild.
Of course the alignments don't count in Planeshift. However, the players continue to describe themselves using the traditional alignment system. As long as players continue to describe themselves and their guilds in this manner, it will be apropos to discussion about these issues. I don't agree with using alignments either, however, I would not copy an existing guild were I to make one myself, as there is a rich field for interpretation and ideas within the system and settings. As you yourself well know.
They might as well have called themselves the 'Dragon Mercenaries'. As far as I am concerned we can have as many mercenary guilds as the players wish to create. You are correct, outside of the settings work on the game, there is really nothing original. But there is especially nothing original about racist guilds, and griefers really bother me. Peace.
[I should mention that it was my experience since I started that lead me to say about a year for the other mercenary guild. Honestly, their founder was around for quite a while, possibly since A.B. and may have had it secret, it could be older... But this was my assumption, no one in that guild told me this. Thank you]
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CotC? Is that the Crafters of the Cliff? If you don't mind me going terribly off topic and all that, where did you think up that name?
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Of course the alignments don't count in Planeshift.
Great, you agree with me. You also sound very reasonable, so wouldn't you help me making everyone agree?
Adding competition in the Mercenary field brings some fun into the whole thing. There's plenty of young guild leaders out there that will take care of all the originality things in time.
Of course, I'm far from thinking these dudes have what it takes to come up with good competition though.
1 year isn't too much. The Mercenary Guild I spoke of was settled even before there was fighting.