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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: Kiern on March 07, 2003, 02:28:34 am
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I\'m watching this thing, and it looks like unless Sadam coughs up some \"Weapons of mass destruction\" the US is off to war for sure....am I understanding this right? (I can misunderstand things so easily its not funny)
Note: I\'m not asking for your opinions on the subject, I just want to know :P
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This is what happens when you give a child (GW.B) a nice new toy. He has to show it to everyone even though his parents (The UN) tell him not to.
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it it me or do you guys not like GW either?
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does anybody like GW?
I think we all know that one of the reasons he\'s starting this war is to keep the mess he made of US out of the papers. If people concentrate on the war, nobody notices what he does to the budget or the education.
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get this: Bush has now just added another requirement for saddam.
now, not only does saddam have to disarm or we\'ll go to war, but he has to leave or we go to war....is this a setup ur what?!?
now, nomatter what we\'ll be going to war.
Bush is really a piece of work.
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yes, Bush will go for war without a doubt. Be it witj or without the support of the rest of the world.
Not that he\'ll succeed in his mission, he\'ll never catch saddam, just like bin laden.
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at the risk of being called a traitor, I wonder how many people in a poll would vote to assasinate bush in order to save the world?
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First Saddam needs to disarm, he refusees, then he starts. Bush says, \"Oh saddam is disarming, it\'s a setup\". How does he know they haven\'t figured out that the US is going to blast them into hell if they don\'t do whatever they say, so they are disarming? How does he know they have the weapons? A traitor is that trustworthy to tell them he does? Now Saddam has to leave his own country? I think George needs to leave their country, and ours.
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Well take a look at the news .. how many people has GW sent to middle east now - something around 200.000? And how many plane carriers (with other ships to guard them) are moving towards middle east? If you ask me GW hasnt got the option anymore to go to war or not ... he ultimatly has to because the costs of getting all those marines back home would be too high for the US alone. Thats why he wants the UN to chip in.
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and just because of the oil *sigh
anyway sooner or later the us citizens hopefully will notice that their \"democracy\" has just turned to a nicer description of modern despotism by the economy.
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Saddam kills his own people, war is inevitable. If we dont go, Saddam will kill more of his own people, the Jewish, and eventually release his biological weapons and kill millions of people. If we dont go, I believe more will die than if we do. Searching for Osama didnt go too cool. We didnt find him, but we did find some of his top cronies, and set up a government. Afghanistan women can now go to school, show their wrists and not be beat for it, and see doctors. Most people who say \"Bush is nuts, Saddam is harmless\" are trying to follow a crowd. Saddam isnt harmless, he\'s killed killed his own, and still has people in his very own concetration camps.
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Originally posted by Shaded
and just because of the oil *sigh
anyway sooner or later the us citizens hopefully will notice that their \"democracy\" has just turned to a nicer description of modern despotism by the economy.
Dammit i hate this \"Bush wants oil!\" \"Bush is a greedy old bastard!\" blah blah blah.
here, venge wrote this in the peace demonstration post:
b) It has been said that Bush is only doing this for the money, or because he wants to control the oil over there. This is really the opposite of the truth. The USA only gets 17% of its oil from ANY Arab country, and 0% from Iraq. The countries who get oil from Iraq, and who have the most economic ties to Iraq at this point, are who? France, Germany and Russia--the exact three countries who oppose this war the most. THEY are the ones who care only about money and not about morality or the safety of the western world.
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War is a terrible thing. Why is it the first thing Bush jumps too? It should not happen unless necessary. Bush has barely made an effort to gain support.
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War isnt enevitable, and its going to happen. Bush is a republican, thats why hes going to war.
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I wish Bush just go ahead and bomb him and get it over with. He is spending way too much of our tax money. He needs to drop 2 dombs on on bil Ladin and one on Sadam.
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http://www.teesdale.com/global/global.html
reminds me of an mathematician hunted by a lion... he builds a small wall around himself and defines, \"i am outside\". -> all the world is evil.
guys, all the world hates u for this sort of ignorance and stupidity and that is a bit too much than u could deal with.
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Most of that little flash movie is so very true, other parts of it just make us seem more like arrogant assholes.
It made some very good points too, we are \"evil\'s\" greatest enemy at this point in time.
Honestly though, everyone has to agree, wouldn\'t the world just work better without leaders like Saddam and Kim Chong-il serving up a good deal of pain and controversy all over the world?
But anyway, back to the subject of the post.
Yes, it does look like we are going to war. And if it\'s anything like last time, Iraq will have surrendered within 4 days.
Of course, I wouldn\'t doubt it that there will be some terrorist attack or some other \"bomb\" going off in America, which sucks.
But it\'s not like it wouldn\'t of happaned anyway.
/shrug
Just my 2octas
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here:
1.who created the ultimate weapon first, and is the only country to have used it on other humans?
2. how long did it actualy take before all american citizens had what this movie calls \"human rights\"?
3. why is our use of millitary muscle glorified and there use of millitary muslce portrayed as \"Evil\"?
4. Sadam has killed millions... america has killed millions
5. Sadam has oppressed many of his people... america has oppressed many of its people.
Do the research, history speaks for its self, we wouldn\'t even be here if our so called fore fathers handn\'t invaded indian land. New York wouldn\'t have been possible without slave labor. They hate us because they feel that we had a hand in there oppression and in a way, we did. We allowed saddam to brain wash his people, we setup these dictators. Now we think we can fix all our problems with war... The affects of the past run rampant today and if we actualy think we are rightous freedom fighters I must pray for all of us.
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no offence to any americans if they like bush but hes screwed up america enough since hes been there i think he just used two towers attack as to jump into a fight he can easily win to make him look big and clever but i say if he goes through with this war hes gonna lose alot because as soon as he declares war the first thing iraq will do is launch a missile into washington or some place and kill loads of people so its a lose lose situation bush declares war he loses a city he doesnt declare war theres still the threat of escalating terrorist attacks which will probably progress into them sending a bio weapon into a major city anyway so were screwed if we do and screwed if we dont
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All I can say is I hope its decided what\'s going on soon...it\'s really annoying this are we aren\'t we crap, just get it over with.
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use.... peroids.... please.....
But anyway, one of the main reasons we are going to war with Iraq is that at the end of the 1st gulf war, Saddam signed some stuff saying that he would destroy all of his chemicle weapons etc. He hasnt been doing that, in fact he\'s been making more and testing them in his very own concetration camps.
I was told the other day by a peace protestor, that the holocaust never happened, and that all of the \"concentration camps\" were just propaganda. Probably 78% of the people who want peace dont know jack of what Saddam is doing over there. I can only ask: Please people, before you post, know what your saying, confirm at least some stuff.
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That\'s true explorer, there is a lot of stuff we all don\'t know, or are just too blind to realise.
It\'s kind of sad that people are saying that Bush is equally as bad as Saddam, I really don\'t get that... Bush tries to clean up crap left over from the world\'s history, and just gets bashed like he\'s the reason for everything happening in the first place.
Some people are even stuck in their own fantasy world, \"Inspections work,\" Hah! All you have to do, is look back on history, he\'s hidden the weapons before, he\'s hiding them again, and this time Hans Blix is trying to hide them from the U.N. as well...
Well, the world will be much better off when this is all over. The Bible predicted this would happen, Nastrodamus(or however you spell it), predicted 9/11 and WW3, hell, even the Aztecs said that near this time there would be a period of great chaos, and then rebirth.
It\'s all been a long time coming, I suppose all we can do is wait it out, and try not to get at each others throats when we should be all on the same side.
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Something I haven\'t heard mentioned, I just wonder why. The U.S. wanted to be a neutral nation at first. Unfortunatly, they were not given that chance. They tried to wait out WWI, but it became apparent that the free European nations needed help, and they couldn\'t just sit and watch them get destroyed. Then came WWII. Again, they didn\'t want to be a part of it. The same thing happened. They couldn\'t sit and be comfortable within their own borders as they would like. Only the Swiss will ever enjoy that luxury. Now the US has changed it\'s philosiphy. They think themselves the baby sitters of the world, trying to put down wars before they begin. Now they are everywhere. I\'m willing to bet the troops want nothing more than to just come home. But what happens if they don\'t? America can do no right in the eyes of the world. It used to be said that they were selfish, slow to lend aid and late for every war. Now it is said that they are warmongers. It is most of America\'s belief that if Sadam is allowed to go as he is, the consequences upon the world will be terrible. America is not willing to wait for Sadam to attack first. No one can speak well for Sadam. No one can say he is a good and honest man. He is cruel. He is a murderer. He is a threat. Has America the right to defend themselves?
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I was thinking about how people have been saying that the U.S. doesnt help out with other countries at all, or not enough. We give billions of dollars to other countries every day. You\'d think that some other countries would give us just a wee bit of thanks. Instead we\'re said to be just trying to get our own oil. The U.S. is practicaly sitting over a huge thing of oil, its all over Alaska (even though we can\'t use it at the moment buttpirate democrats who dont care about the people). Of couse it\'s no where near the amount under the middle east, but it would last us. I\'d like to see what some other countries think of America if we stopped giving them the money, and tried to pay off the 3 tillion dollar debt that was made during the Clinton Admistration.
Fox News yesterday was showing movie clips of Iraq when they were testing their weapons of mass destruction on animals. Where\'s PETA when you need them?
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sure saddam has to go Exploerer but there are more humane ways of doing this than bombarding the place with 300 cruise missles over 72hours. which will result in one hell of a lot of \"collateral damage\" (that american millitary coined term realy sums up alot about the american millarty and government currently in power)
The american government is now standing in its own doo doo which it should have cleaned up back in 1990... after all they are teh ones that backed out from helping the iraqi people from removing saddam at the last minute.. they can now put up with what they made.
im just glad the vast majority of the world wants it resolved it all with out a fight.. perhaps theres hope for humanity after all.
its quite a pleasent surprise for this cinic of human nature. i realy Love it how most of the british labour cabinet will quit if britain goes in with the US with out UN authorisation.
i just wish they would hurry up and get it all over with for good or for worse...
God bless the innocent iraqi casualties in what ever happens.
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The U.S. wanted to take out Sadam in the last war. The UN wouldn\'t let them. No matter what happens, the US is accused of doing too much or not enough. Now they don\'t even get to make their own decisions. The UN does it (or fails to), then the US is blamed.
The only thing the US is guilty of is holding \"World Championship\" sporting events without inviting the world. And that isn\'t really the US, its the sporting leagues marketers.
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This might be offensive for some of you, but i found it kind of funny...
Link (http://maddox.xmission.com/limits_to_freedom.html)
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*Ahem* Notice they didnt comment on Clinton, and his little \"bombings\" on the days of his impeachment trials. And that lovely 3 tillion dollar debt we\'re now in.
this pic is kinda funny :D here (http://www.blemished.net/pictures/funny1/clinton-dogcrotch.jpg)
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ooh ohh i wanna push the little red button
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Way to go on the rank, Kiern. Link will need to spam continuously to catch up with that. :]
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Hey Ravette, I looked at the link. I thought it was funny. First pic reminded me of Dr. Strangelove. ThenI kept reading more of his stuff and found out he doesn\'t like Halo, so he\'s a bastard.
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bah, politics, politicians, presidents, we need a one on one deathmatch between bush and saddam, so they\'d stop killing everyone else
Jessyn
stupid politics
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Haha, yeah I also noticed that the guy didn\'t like halo. But most of the stuff on the page is pretty funny. I\'ve finally read through all of it. I still haven\'t been able to play halo with multiple xbox consoles. :(
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still wishing i could get a system capable of running morrowind at more than 6 FPS...
Jessyn
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Old computer huh? If you have an xbox morrowind wasn\'t much different on there. Except that you can\'t use any mods or anything. I thought the xbox version looked better too. Especially the water (because the xbox has the best water effects around).
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the war has started. Yahooooo!!!!
-Robbie
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theres nothing Yahoo about it
war is heinouse, plain and simple...
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Originally posted by jagator55
the war has started. Yahooooo!!!!
-Robbie
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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hey guys, I don\'t have access to a tv that\'s connected to anything, and I\'m too lazy to check online, and I\'m always here, so could you keep me posted on anything important war-related that happens?
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Didnt anyone notice Saddam is allready useing the missiles He said he Did Not Have
Hello can you say
U.N.= Joke
Inspections=Denial
France = uuhh... maybe we join you now... uuhh
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what type of missles were fired and what missles die he say he didn\'t have??
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Long range Scuds and other`s
U.N. treaty stated no long range Missiles.
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The only thing I really know about the war is that media always lie in these situations.
So every little fact you hear about Iraq from now can be false. Never forget that.
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war is heinouse, plain and simple...
Yes war sucks--no one disagrees with that. Getting some kind of biological weapon given to a terrorist and blown up in the NYC subway system would suck more though.
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In Kuwait, the patriot missle things shot down four iraqi missles that were chinese silkworm missles. They are shortrange, like 50 miles. they think iraq has scuds still but they arent using them yet...b52\'s just left from england and then about 30 minutes later bomb sirens in iraq went off, so expect bombings later today. yesterday, or was it 2 days ago, anyway, the us flew f117a\'s (i think) and dropped off 36 missles and 2 \"bunker busters\", destroying a place where the us believed had high ranking iraqi officials. yesterday the us used i thnk 40 or so bombs and dropped them on a 441 foot hill. when all hte bombs were done it was down to 421 feet. they did this to show the iraqs that they would die if they fought and it was a warning to them. unlike bigfoots sadness to the iraqi\'s, i dont really care. they have been warned numerous times to surrender, and if they are willing to fight for their country, good for them, but they are going to die.
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Well I think a lot of people are forgetting that, as Rumsfeld and Bush have been saying, this isn\'t a war against Iraq, it\'s a war against Saddam and his regime. As soon as he leaves it\'s over. They want the military to turn against Saddam which many have already done.
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One of my friends said that he has friends from Iraq. They currently live in the US, but they have family in Iraq. They are for the war, not against it, so I\'m confused. I don\'t know what to think.
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Aendar are you realy that iggnorant?... america isnt gonna get out once this is over.
I love it how the first oil refinery that teh US troops took over they removed teh iragi flag and stuck teh american one up ^^... immediately there commanders told them to take it down and quickly ... talk about stupid troops. doesnt it seem teh americans are takeing the hard route and facing stiff resistance while teh british have been given the easy route to baghdad?.
also its neat how CNN has been kicked out of baghdad ^^... sicne now my countries main news station uses the BBCworld feed exculsivly ^^, alot better in my opinion.
Also on that thing about Sadams regiem giving bio weapons to terrorists, do some home work, bin ladin cant stand sadam (if he was interviewed now he\'d pretty much say \"go usa\", sadam is not even muslim, to fundamentalists and the militant muslims hes as just as much a infidel as us (hes a bathist?, bahhist?(sp?)). HELL the CIA for crying out loud has said there is no link between sadam and al qeuda... hows that for you guys, your own president lies in his speachs about that very fact, when his own intellegance agencies say teh complete opposite.. now... would you trust a man that lied?, and a supposed devoute christain man at that.
Its rather worrying to also see that Turky is now gonna (possably, although some reports say that they already have) cross over into iraq to stop kurdish seperatists from forming a independant state. Go america for giving an example of \"do as you like, the rest of teh world (ie the UN) cant stop you\", not to mention if Turkey does this and the post war plans, which dumbfoundedly enough america actualy havent got anything!, we\'ll bomb you and save you but we havent realy thought over what we\'ll do after wards, and the sheit\'s(sp?) Kurds and Soonies(sp?) all vie for there own seperatist states (the UN will have to fix that problem, surprise surprise) then teh entire middle eastern region will be plunged into chaos and more fighting (sadam may be a dictator but he was in a way a bit of a stabilising force in the area, you soon forget your tribal aggressions and old time enemies when you have a common enemy)....
way to go America... oh wait i mean teh coalition of teh willing. (yeah as if teh support of such nations as the solomon islands, Rawanda, philipeans etc can be termed \"growing world support\", you put a nice spin on that one washington) 40 countries now support america?... take a look at acutaly WHO those countries are.
At least the missles the \"colation of the willing\" are using are actualy hitting there targets dead on, and civilian casualties are almost nill (all though we dont realy know much). thats one good thing coming out of this farse.
Well back to watching the news.
also for any one that hasnt heard (its a bit old now), theres a rumor, un confirmed speculation that saddam and possbaly one of his sons was either killed or wounded in teh very first missle bombardment of baghdad. Who knows would be good if they did get him first shot.
Cyo:- i dont care for teh rebulblican gaurd, there mostly thugs and bullyies anyway from what ive read, im \"saddened\" for the average iraqi stuck in the middle of all this, the you\'s and me\'s of Iraq, the ones that are fighting becuase your forced to, or your unable to do anything from fear to changing the regiem. Place your self in there shoes and try to say \"i dont care\" again.
funniest thing ive heard so far in all this... the british and americans blaming teh french for the failure of the diplomatic process... ?( ?( ?( ... **boggle**
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I haven\'t fully read this thread because I don\'t come here to air my views on politics and current affairs etc. I come here to get away from that stuff.
That said....
While I\'m not really an advocate for war, it somehow annoys me all the people who go out on anti-war protests, without being in anywhere near a position to have a clue about what the full facts are (not that I have a clue). Most of us are so far removed from the actual plight of the people there.
When I read comments from people in Afghanistan, Iraq and countries that have been through similar atrocities, I only see support for what is happening and it\'s their testimony I have to side with. I recently read an account from someone in Bulgaria about how the regime there executed their grandfather and how they wished that the Western alliances had intervened then, their closing comment was of shame that their current Prime Minister/President was opposing the current initiatives to rid Iraq of Saddam.
On a lighter note, I recently read a theory on how the US and allies had been planning to invade all along. The UN inspectors were just a nice way to check that it was actually safe to do so. No weapons of mass destruction and look, we can destroy a load of these missiles because they travel a meter and and a half further than they said they would, woooo lets invade!! Quite a good plan when you think about it.
I hope I didn\'t rant too much, I\'ll really try not to let it happen again - like I said I don\'t really come here for that ;)
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I don\'t see what you find hard to believe about blaming the French for sabotaging the diplomatic process...
If the French had maintained the hard line on disarmament that the others were (i.e. a REAL threat of REAL consequences), Saddam probably wouldn\'t have thought he could get away with non-compliance and we might not be in this situation.
As far as I\'m concerned, the French should be kicked out of NATO and left to their own devices--which is all they follow anyway. The reports that even last week they were selling spare parts for the Iraqi planes is unacceptable. That\'s something you expect to hear North Korea is doing, not France. Jacques Chirac has lost his mind.
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This is an email sent to George Dubya (not by me, or course):
Dear Governor Bush:
So today is what you call \"the moment of truth,\" the day that \"France and the rest of world have to show their cards on the table.\" I\'m glad to hear that this day has finally arrived. Because, I gotta tell ya, having survived 440 days of your lying and conniving, I wasn\'t sure if I could take much more. So I\'m glad to hear that today is Truth Day, \'cause I got a few truths I would like to share with you:
1. There is virtually NO ONE in America (talk radio nutters and Fox News aside) who is gung-ho to go to war. Trust me on this one. Walk out of the White House and on to any street in America and try to find five people who are PASSIONATE about wanting to kill Iraqis. YOU WON\'T FIND THEM! Why? \'Cause NO Iraqis have ever come here and killed any of us! No Iraqi has even threatened to do that. You see, this is how we average Americans think: If a certain so-and-so is not perceived as a threat to our lives, then, believe it or not, we don\'t want to kill him! Funny how that works!
2. The majority of Americans -- the ones who never elected you -- are not fooled by your weapons of mass distraction. We know what the real issues are that affect our daily lives -- and none of them begin with I or end in Q. Here\'s what threatens us: two and a half million jobs lost since you took office, the stock market having become a cruel joke, no one knowing if their retirement funds are going to be there, gas now costs almost two dollars -- the list goes on and on. Bombing Iraq will not make any of this go away. Only you need to go away for things to improve.
3. As Bill Maher said last week, how bad do you have to suck to lose a popularity contest with Saddam Hussein? The whole world is against you, Mr. Bush. Count your fellow Americans among them.
4. The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a SIN. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? Of course, this is a war you personally won\'t have to fight. Just like when you went AWOL while the poor were shipped to Vietnam in your place.
5. Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. Johnson of South Dakota) has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! If you really want to stand up for America, please send your twin daughters over to Kuwait right now and let them don their chemical warfare suits And let\'s see every member of Congress with a child of military age also sacrifice their kids for this war effort. What\'s that you say? You don\'t THINK so? Well, hey, guess what -- we don\'t think so either!
6. Finally, we love France. Yes, they have pulled some royal screw-ups. Yes, some of them can be pretty damn annoying. But have you forgotten we wouldn\'t even have this country known as America if it weren\'t for the French? That it was their help in the Revolutionary War that won it for us? That our greatest thinkers and founding fathers -- Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, etc. -- spent many years in Paris where they refined the concepts that lead to our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution? That it was France who gave us our Statue of Liberty, a Frenchman who built the Chevrolet, and a pair of French brothers who invented the movies? And now they are doing what only a good friend can do -- tell you the truth about yourself, straight, no b.s. Quit pissing on the French and thank them for getting it right for once. You know, you really should have traveled more (like once) before you took over. Your ignorance of the world has not only made you look stupid, it has painted you into a corner you can\'t get out of.
Well, cheer up -- there IS good news. If you do go through with this war, more than likely it will be over soon because I\'m guessing there aren\'t a lot of Iraqis willing to lay down their lives to protect Saddam Hussein. After you \"win\" the war, you will enjoy a huge bump in the popularity polls as everyone loves a winner -- and who doesn\'t like to see a good ass-whoopin\' every now and then (especially when it \'s some third world ass!). So try your best to ride this victory all the way to next year\'s election. Of course, that\'s still a long ways away, so we\'ll all get to have a good hardy-har-har while we watch the economy sink even further down the toilet!
But, hey, who knows -- maybe you\'ll find Osama a few days before the
election! See, start thinking like THAT! Keep hope alive! Kill Iraqis
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they got our oil!!
Yours,
Michael Moore
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bigfoot, your post was full of bullshit and teh\'s. im sorry but i had to say it. iraqi\'s can and have been surrendering, the americans only fire when they have been fired upon, otherwise 3 americans wouldnt have been killed today by NORMAL iraqi citzens, the you\'s and me\'s as you call them. im not pro-war, and im not against war either, but i also would like to beat the crap out of anyone who says \"are you willing to fight for oil\".
iraq just kept crossing the line over and over, and they finally pushed it too far, not my problem, its their\'s now.
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heh Michael Moore...
i like that guy, his Awful truth show was great, pitty they used to show it here realy late, missed a few of them. Although he can get a little overly negative sometimes.
what has my lack of typo correcting got to do with anything?... couldnt give a damn how many teh\'s i stuck in there.
You obviousley mis took what i said in that second to last paragraph in my post, i never said they coudnt surrender... but what i was saying was that pre war they where unable to speak out and oust there own leader, due to fear and overt and covert threats. It was funny how on a panorama documentary they showed a week ago about Iraqi teenages and how they are backing saddam and thought of him as a great leader, well the interviewer asked one of them that he was interviewing in a public teahouse (this particular teen was very pro saddam and was saying how great he was bringing free schooling and such to the country) the interviewer asked about if you wanted to speak up about saddam would you be allowed to (unsure of teh exact qeustion but it was a rather leading question along that line) well the teenager who was very much a talkative person before hand praiseing the greatness of saddam turned around hesitated a bit and said some thing to teh effect of \"thats a difficult question, that would take a while to explain so im not gonna answer it\" ... freedom to speak out against there own leader... i dont think so. Its interesting to see also how the whitehouse administration has taken this rather \"Saddamish\" line of action as well, one example was of a tv show that aired a rather comical cartoon segment that made fun of george bush, later the whitehouse lackeys phoned them up and told them to pull it off the air... freedom of speach, yeah well.
anyway
\"not my problem\" the ultimate in pass the buck phrases, good to see you care about the rest of teh world.
We had a very good 5 page news artical in our major news paper this weekend title \"the arrogant empire\" written i might add by an american. its far to long to post, but it pretty much sumed up every thing about the stupidity of the war and how this all was planned and started way before 9/11 ... very good reading and very eye opening, although i doubt youd go further than the first few paragraphs.
to end here is a nice qoute from a late night talk show i saw on tv a while back.
\"Well we found those weapons of mass destruction we where looking for, the only problem is... there in north Korea\"
oh and i forgot are you willing to fight for oil?
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I would like to quote Audioslave or rather their banners at one of their concerts.
\"How many Iraqis per gallon\"
\"Somwhere in Texas a village is missing an idiot\"
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Originally posted by Creathor
I would like to quote Audioslave or rather their banners at one of their concerts.
\"How many Iraqis per gallon\"
\"Somwhere in Texas a village is missing an idiot\"
again, Post by Venge.
b) It has been said that Bush is only doing this for the money, or because he wants to control the oil over there. This is really the opposite of the truth. The USA only gets 17% of its oil from ANY Arab country, and 0% from Iraq. The countries who get oil from Iraq, and who have the most economic ties to Iraq at this point, are who? France, Germany and Russia--the exact three countries who oppose this war the most. THEY are the ones who care only about money and not about morality or the safety of the western world.
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Originally posted by Dumb Woob
again, Post by Venge.
b) It has been said that Bush is only doing this for the money, or because he wants to control the oil over there. This is really the opposite of the truth. The USA only gets 17% of its oil from ANY Arab country, and 0% from Iraq. The countries who get oil from Iraq, and who have the most economic ties to Iraq at this point, are who? France, Germany and Russia--the exact three countries who oppose this war the most. THEY are the ones who care only about money and not about morality or the safety of the western world.
Well oil is just one part of it. First of all I doubt that it has anything to do with the Iraqi people suffering or Sadaam having weapons of mass destruction.
Bush has big problems, the US economy is in a pretty bad shape, his ideas just don\'t make any sense. My guess is that the health care and the education aren\'t that good either. So now he has to divert attention, if people are occupied with the war, nobody\'s going to write stories about how bush is driving the wedge between lower and higher classes, making the rich richer, and the poor poorer.
Then the oil, if the US is successfull they will put a dummy government in Iraq and they WILL have the control over the Iraqi oil, and that\'s why Germany and France are opposed to it, it has nothing to do with morality for them either.
Is Sadaam an evil man, yes, but is Bush an idiot, most likely. The guy did too much coke and I think we can all notice that in his speaches. The was with Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11 and Bush is just using it as an excuse, it will probably increase the number of terrorist attacks on the US.
I don\'t know if u\'ve been reading the news but just before the war kids were getting kicked out of schools for speaking out agains it, and a guy got arrested for \"trespassing\" in a mall when he wouldn\'t take off a \"give piece a chance\" t-shirt in a mall.
Now I don\'t know how long this will last but US is in for a quite a ride with Bush.
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Originally posted by Creathor
I don\'t know if u\'ve been reading the news but just before the war kids were getting kicked out of schools for speaking out agains it, and a guy got arrested for \"trespassing\" in a mall when he wouldn\'t take off a \"give piece a chance\" t-shirt in a mall.
Yeah that is a bit ridiculous, Why fight for more freedom for Iraqis if We ourselves won\'t allow a simple anti-war shirt in our malls? I also think you mean \"Give PEACE a chance\" ;)
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Originally posted by Dumb Woob
I also think you mean \"Give PEACE a chance\" ;)
LOL, yeah that\'s the one, Link\'s absence made me careless.
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How many here have forgotten
September 11, 2001
Bush is ready to \"nip it in the butt\" so to speak and I hope are next president is as well.
As far as France and Germany my guess is theres going to be allot more investigation into what they had been selling Sadam for the past 12yr`s .. New light in the face of TRUTH!!!
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Its funny that Galadon since I was reading on a British newspapers website about how a reporter and the solider group he was traveling with were going along the road past some of the bombed out smokeing tanks and millitary vechials of the iraqi troops, and surprisingly enough alot of them where old American tanks, with a few clapped out russian tanks thrown in.
You do realise that saddam and Iraq were armed with chemical weapons and update military vechials and backed by the US government during the 6 day war with Iran.
After which saddam got pissed at not beng given anything for his help in it, he later invaded Kuwait saying that it would be his reward for doing what the americans had told him to do in Iran. Since the american government shafted him after the 6 day war was over.
America has a long track history of \"shieting in there own nest\" as my brother says.
so maybe you should think before you cast your first stone.
what does 9/11 have to do with war in Iraq?... theres no connection with Saddams Ba\'ath party regieme and Al Qeuda, but oh wait your Cheney/Rumsfield puppet president Bush said there was in those numerouse laughable speaches he makes... hell must be true then.
ps:- 9/11 was and still is in my opinion a henouse act of terrorisim that cost teh lives of thousands of innocent people, a black day in history. to blacken it even further by linking it as justification to this War makes the lose of those lives trivial, and those that use the event in connection with this war should be ashamed.
heres a neat site, give it a look and you\'ll see just how moronic your president realy is, some of his qoutes are disturbingly scarey. I disliked him before seeing this site, after going through it and seeing what he was actualy saying, i realy realy dislike the guy now.
www.bushspeaks.com (http://www.bushspeaks.com/)
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I am a major history buff and to go into detail about the 80`s Including how, why, when, where ,would be to long of a post. But if you would like I could email you the details including sources.
Unfortunately British news is based on how they feel at the time and not facts..
Now look at all the NEW equipment That Iraq has(less then 20yr`s old) and who there from.
::Russian::Chinese::German::French::
Now who are the main Countries against the War??
Test will be due on Monday..
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One little thing you forgot there in your logic
The french, germans and russians where all in support for the UN inspections, now if France where in fact objecting to teh war to stop people from finding out that the weapons saddam might have where french supplied (im in no way sticking up for teh french, i know perfectly well that they and many other countries which also include teh USA have companies that supplie and build arms and sell them to who ever pays them the dosh)... Why were the the french there fore behind the UN inspectors?... who would have found the weapons anyway if they where there????.. had they been given the time.
As for British media such as ITV and BBC1, its alot more open minded than the openly unashamedly biased CNN and ABC, after watching teh last 4 days of international media coverage its amazing just how pathetic teh american news stations realy are. No wonder you still have people supporting the war in america when there sources of news are so damned biased.
my only beef is that my own country has quickly stoped the BBC live coverage and gone back to its usual TV schedual.
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Europe isn\'t so scotch free (is that the right phrase?) from what I\'ve heard, Back in the late 1910s and early 1920s the bigger European countries were trying to get middle eastern lands. They often promised lands to 2 people, or set waring arab factions against each other for their own benefit. Iraq had a few revoloutions due to British Treaties and ruling in the early-mid 20th century. America wasn\'t really big into the middle east then. I think that if Europe had a bit of foresight we MIGHT not be in this little mess.
EDIT: Whoops, forgot the Crusades too, I mean what better way to form a realtionship with an area than to kill its people for some land that was holy 1000 years ago? What if the descendants of the mayans, or the aztecs, or the incas, or whoever controled Mexico City marched back into modern day Mexico City and tried to claim it for themselves because it was thier Holy Home Land ~500 years ago?
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ITV is faily decent as far as the 5 w`s(who,what,why,when,where) go at least on there website that ive seen. not sure about the TV news
http://www.itv.com/news/
As far as BBC goes it looks more like babble. Lets keep the facts out and see how many protester`s we can put on the website or on telly.
How deep do I have to go to find the 5w`s
http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/
Although I did find a post of an Iraqi born Brit that supported the fight against Sadam but I think its allready been burried..
test: WHO does Iraq(Sadam) owe 61 BILLION dallors since 1993 WHAT did they buy and WHY do they not support the war??
A Hint::Russia::China::Germany::France::
Test due on monday
The truth will set you FREE
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hmm...to get back to the topic, i heard that saddam is alrdy dead since 1999?! 8o