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Support => Forum and Website Discussions => Topic started by: Rirenil Masdo on February 05, 2007, 05:25:45 am
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Hello all.
First off, I am a lurker. I watch from the shadows. It's more fun that way. I appear, when I think I truely need to say something, or in this case, ask something.
This past event, it was the first truely major issue our Neko has been through as the newest member of the mod team. Now that things have seemed to have quieted down, I'm curious. How do you think he handled it?
Don't be afraid to be honest. I know where he sleeps, so unless it's truelly called for, he won't be touching your posts. I've taught my little brother that you need to respect and consider other people's opinoins about you. Not to simply push them aside.
I do ask that you try to keep it constructive though. If you think he did something wrong, tell him how you would have dne it, so that he learns something from this experience. I read over his shoulder while he was spending hours on the computer during all of this big mess that happened and saw his inbox get filled with both negative and positive PMs about his modding actions. So I know you all have opinions. Consider this your time to express them openly. I have always said, that one can't better themself, without first taking into the thoughts of what others think of you.
So, what's your thoughts? You think he did a decent job? Or maybe we should have Karyuu fire him? I want to help my little bro be better at his job, and to do that, I ask for help from all of you. Life is simply one long learning experience. Lets all help each other and gain knowledge together.
Due to the relationship between me and Neko, my opinion of him is biased, so I won't give it. All I will say, is that he certainly does live up to his name that he has chosen for his forum account. It's japanese btw.
Thanks all. Back to lurking I go.
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I think this thread is doomed to an early extinction as posts evaluating moderator, gm or dev behavior are severely frowned upon. That said I got no problems here and wouldn't poison the well if I did.
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hmm.
/me sighs
So this is why she wanted to use my computer. (She doesn't have one of her own)
Umm, I'll be called biased in my actions if I do let it stay, but what the heck. This one time, I'll let it slide. At least she means well.
/me braces for the comments that will follow.
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I dunno I would expect you to recuse yourself from this thread as you have a conflict of interest and possibly refer it to another moderator for consideration. Like I said I have no problems myself, I am sure you will grow to delight in the big stick you have been handed and some occasions will warrant such glee. Moderators always seem to start out too hesitant, for instance I believe this thread (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=27339.0) has long outlived its usefulness not to mention having met Godwins Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law) and in a newbie help forum to boot. Is that really what we want newcomers to see? If you choose to do something about it feel free to remove this reference.
Edit fixed link
Edit corrected spelling mistakes.
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I dunno I would expect you to recuse yourself from this thread as you have a conflict of interest and possibly refer it to another moderator for consideration. Like I said I have no problems myself, I am sure you will grow to delight in the big stick you have been handed and some occasions will warrant such glee. Moderators always seem to start out too hesitant, for instance I believe [url =http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=27339.0] this thread [/url] has long outlived its usefullness not to mention having met Godwins Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law) and in a newbie help forum to boot. Is that really what we want newcomers to see? If you chosse to do something about it feel free to remove this reference.
I doubt Godwin's Law could be applied on this post. I doubt there is somebody trollish enough here to seriously compare the actions of the moderators team using the word "nazis", as it would be ridiculous to take such thing seriously. Personally I have nothing to add, the moderators team is here, they make the laws and that is it. Only thing is that you should not be afraid of moderators, this is not China or North Korea. If you wish to question one of their actitudes, the only thing to know is that the same way I will put someone in a makeshift "ignore_list" if one starts swearing me through PMs, mods will take the actions they can against personal offenses as well. Try to be clear and rational on your explanation on why you do not agree with such decision, you will either be answered or get a decent answer to your message explaining why the moderator took such decision.
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About finished threads:
When a thread becomes "finished"(There is nothing more to add on it), it will eventually be buried by new threads and still unfinished threads(Fortunately I never saw a digger around taking out old threads from their "grave"). Many threads had such fate without the need of a lock.
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Bilbous was actually refering to a certain guild being compared to the Nazis, and it did happen in that thread. No one was comparing the mods to the Nazis.
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I dunno I would expect you to recuse yourself from this thread as you have a conflict of interest and possibly refer it to another moderator for consideration.
Tis why I left it open. Kary's going to have to decide what to do about this one. But I got the general tone that people were affriad I'd come in and do something about it, so I figured I'd simply say I wouldn't. That way, if she does decide to let it go for awhile or what not, which it looks like she is, people can post if they want to.
As for lordraleigh's minor offtopic thing, its quite simple. Just don't post. Don't post and we don't have to take action and everyone is happy. Thers been quite a few threads discussing time period the game is set in, so really, if the original poster had done a little searching, they would hve found some f those and their question would have been answered. But, its not a big deal that they didn't. Given the nature of that thread area, that is bound to happen.
And for that reason, it's why you'll see most everyone put on that smile and answer that "how do I get out of the DR?" or "where do I sell rat parts at?" theads over and over again.
As for the digression of that thread, I shall let Kary decide how she wants to handle it. But honestly, if you don't want it to continue, simply don't post. And eventually, it will go to sleep in the archives and everyone will be happy.
Now then. All of that was offtopic, so I ask we all get back to the original topic. Discussing me. ::)
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Sadly it appears I am the only one bold enough to actually post on topic in this thread and that my original prediction will come true. The reason I thought you should step in on that thread was mostly because of the pointless bickering not being helpful in a newbie help thread, I did not suggest any particular action but one action that you could have taken short of ending the thread or removing posts was to move the argument to the general discussion page. Of course choosing to hope it will go away soon is also your prerogative. As you will notice I have not contributed to that thread myself.
So what is the significance of the name? None of the translation services I have tried translate it and wikipedia knows nothing about it nor does a google search find anything relevant. And what about your sisters name? Your sister mentioned it had some relevance so I believe the question is still on-topic.
I do hope someone else will post on-topic here.
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Rin's name, I believe, was simply generatd by the built in PS name generator.
My name, both words are Japanese. And I've found that it is a little hard to find a decent translator for that language, probably due to the fact that to translate Japanese to English and back again, it takes as much finesse as it does a literal translaton to get it right. At least, that's what I've come to believe anyways.
Edit: to give a start, 'Neko' litterally translates to 'cat'.
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Sadly it appears I am the only one bold enough to actually post on topic in this thread and that my original prediction will come true.
I sent my thoughts in a PM. We're supposed to avoid discussion of mod activities in the public forums (by avoid, I mean not ever do).
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My concerns were also sent via PM and Neko responded in a clear well thougth out manner.
The fact this thread is still here, at least shows he is open to critisism.
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Part of the problem with the translation I've found is that every service I've seen translates into some kind of glyph and not into any western alphabet so for us to actually translate it we'd need to see it in its native form. That said, I'll just assume it is "The Cat in the Hat"....
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http://www.freedict.com/onldict/jap.html :)
It's close enough.
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Crazy cat?
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"fury cat", or litterally, "cat fury". With a little finesse involved, "fury of the cat".
Relating to, how a cat is calm and gentle and loving and super easy going most of the time, but when it becomes enraged, well :whistling:
Kind of stupid I know, but it suits my personallity.
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I don't wanna be the first negative person in this thread, but I did find Neko to be a little... intolerant to my brand of humour :P
Which I found especially annoying considering some of the other, older, more respected members of the community have posted far more offensive/sensitive/similar material without it being immediately deleted without warning and/or reason...
I'm hoping the reason this thread is still here isn't because nobody has actually used it properly yet...
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Probably Emerald, itl be gone in a moment now youve complained ;)
emeraldfool
Hydlaa Notable
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Honey, if I didn't like you, you wouldn't be alive
And what a good post number for it aswell you little devil :P
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Heh, didn't even notice that.
In my defence though, I'm not mad at Neko or anything - I know being a mod can be tricky (I was a mod once - albeit on a small forum - if you can believe it :P I was the evil mod).
I just get frustrated when I spend my time trying to make people smile (except Zanzibar, I just try to piss him off... :devil:), an' then it gets removed 'cause the guy in charge doesn't think it's funny...
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I just get frustrated when I spend my time trying to make people smile (except Zanzibar, I just try to piss him off... :devil:), an' then it gets removed 'cause the guy in charge doesn't think it's funny...
You don't piss me off. I'm simply correcting your misconceptions as I encounter them for your own benefit. I'm terribly selfless, you see.
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I just get frustrated when I spend my time trying to make people smile (except Zanzibar, I just try to piss him off... :devil:), an' then it gets removed 'cause the guy in charge doesn't think it's funny...
You don't piss me off. I'm simply correcting your misconceptions as I encounter them for your own benefit. I'm terribly selfless, you see.
Uh-huh. And then, naturally, to impress your wisdom upon me irrefutably, you throw a hissy fit :P
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I just get frustrated when I spend my time trying to make people smile (except Zanzibar, I just try to piss him off... :devil:), an' then it gets removed 'cause the guy in charge doesn't think it's funny...
You don't piss me off. I'm simply correcting your misconceptions as I encounter them for your own benefit. I'm terribly selfless, you see.
Uh-huh. And then, naturally, to impress your wisdom upon me irrefutably, you throw a hissy fit :P
Feel free to provide evidence of such a thing.
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Psch, always trying to make it about you, aren'tcha Zanzi? :P
We're grilling Neko here. I'll send you into a tantrum later...
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Psch, always trying to make it about you, aren'tcha Zanzi? :P
We're grilling Neko here. I'll send you into a tantrum later...
Kind, gentle, and wise Sir,
You made inflammatory and insulting accusations against me. If you are unwilling to provide evidence for your assertions, then perhaps you should find a different forum.
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Or perhaps we should let this go while this thread still exists :)
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Kind, gentle, and wise Sir,
You made inflammatory and insulting accusations against me. If you are unwilling to provide evidence for your assertions, then perhaps you should find a different forum.
'Inflammatory and insulting accusations'? Zanzi, in nearly every post you make you imply that I'm of an infinitely inferior wit and intellect to you. You don't have the grounds to be insulted :P
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Or perhaps we should let this go while this thread still exists :)
Lovely try, didnt work did it lol.
/me tries 'Children, play nicely or you will get a stricter telling off :P'
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I think someone is reading every post that doesn't have smilies in a harsh serious tone.
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I think someone is reading every post that doesn't have smilies in a harsh serious tone.
Zanzibar's humour changes so much it's hard to keep track...
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Well, it's a good thing that Zanzibar's humor is not in question here :] We're supposed to be commenting on Neko.. or something...
That said, I thought that Neko handled the flood of 'omg wtf' posts quite well, if a bit heavy-handedly. Sometimes a heavy hand is what's needed :]
josePhoenix
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I did post about Neko. I was just killing time until I got answered... :whistling:
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Zanzi, in nearly every post you make you imply that I'm of an infinitely inferior wit and intellect to you.
It's merely a side effect.
I thought that Neko handled the flood of 'omg wtf' posts quite well, if a bit heavy-handedly.
This is exactly what I've been telling the people who have been asking me for my opinion. I think his heavy handedness was appropriate for the situation.
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We're supposed to be commenting on Neko.. or something...
Thank god some one finally said it, I can now comment on modding by Neko lol, prepare for a post delete lmao.
I have been seriously against Nekos aggressive topic editing from the very start, I raised my concerns with another mod, and with Neko himself. I have posted a single thread that got deleted and I can understand te reasons for this, but I assure you this is not a personal attack. Ive seen the number of post edits rocket since Neko became a Mod, When Karyuu was mainly doing it it was much more relaxed, she would defend the delicate minds of some of those players who visited here but would not edit (in what seems IMO) to see her name in others posts. She was diligent but not excessive.
Neko appears to remove some posts on what seems a personal agenda, I had a post edited, for example, that contained the word 'crap' now ive seen one today that i didnt notice had been edited. Now, that probably is a personal point but it bugged me lol seeing as 59 pages of posts contain that word (addmitedly some that say scrap but they are in the vast minority). Frankly I dont recall who edited that particular thread, but for the purposes of the complaining session I do hope it was Neko lol
Anyway, ive thought that Neko in general was too heavy handed and would be better off backing off a little from the constant editing of posts, hardly a day goes by when I dont see an edit because of something he doesnt agree with. at least karyuu's where mainly 'Stop bloody double posting' which were of course promptly ignored :P
Anyway, good luck to those who see this before its deleted ;)
[ Edited for language. --Karyuu ]
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That's funny, 'cause what Idoru just said could just have easily come out of my mouth...
In fact, I've said almost the exact same things in PMs and such...
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Idoru, I'm going to have to disagee. Karyuu edits posts very often, and always with good reason. I’ve yet to see Neko edit a post without justification. And what's with you accusing a mod of having a "personal agenda"? That's my job!
I don't see censoring curses as an indication that there's a personal agenda. More likely, Neko is dealing with problems as he sees them.
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The personal agenda comment, even though I dont think I used the word agenda, was about the section of the post thatI mentioned the word 'crap' and I clearly admit that it may well be my personal agenda that raised that comment. Maybe being a foul mouthed liberal I find it hard to accept that others may find such vacant remarks offensive, that is possibly my personal failure.
Hmmm, I know karyuu edits posts 'fairly often' but I ave honestly never seen an edit, including the deletion of my hanging of sadam thread, that I could not see a relevant reason for. That was probaly my incorrect wording of the initial post.
That by the way, includes ANY of the edits she has made to Datruths posts, which as second in command of the guild that I am a member of should be protected by me, but I understand that she has an obligation to the wider community and the project as a whole.
\\o// for Karyuu ;)
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Neko appears to remove some posts on what seems a personal agenda...
There you go.
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Nuts, I did say it lol, I also realise I said it in an incorrect context. I should not have followed that particular remark with my personal moaning, your point is accepted but il not edit my post so I can preserve the future context of the thread ;)
[ Edited for language. --Karyuu ]
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In my defense, it wasn't "crap", before I changed it. I changed it TO "crap". :flowers:
EDITorz!!!!!11one2:
http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=27478.msg312358#msg312358
It wasn't me! :o :whistling: :P
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I'm just wondering what the OP thinks about what she has wrought, pass the paddle Neko, unless It was mere subterfuge on your part...
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In my defense, it wasn't "crap", before I changed it. I changed it TO "crap". :flowers:
EDITorz!!!!!11one2:
http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=27478.msg312358#msg312358
It wasn't me! :o :whistling: :P
You sure that it wasnt crap originally? Im normally pretty careful with the language I use in an attempt to not offend people excessively.
OMG, I got edited lol, and I have no idea what it was I actually wrote at the beginning of that post ???
Now it looks all wrong :(
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In my defense, it wasn't "crap", before I changed it. I changed it TO "crap". :flowers:
Oh yeah, well what about that time I made a comment about deer-hunting in that Endless Forest thread? That was edited out of my on-topic review, yet contained no profanities.
And I laughed out loud when I thought of that :P