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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: Suno_Regin on February 07, 2007, 01:54:27 am
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Out of nowhere, while I was running a Windows online scan, Norton found a random virus trying to access some file on my computer (it said RECYCLER in the virus address...is it going for my recycle bin? o.O) and a few seconds later it said it was solved. Who says norton's useless? The online scan didn't even pick that up.
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This is sort of a breakoff of my other post about norton, but it's a separate topic of discussion. Now, my full system scan just got done, and apperantly I got a backdoor virus called...and you're probably not going to believe me "fuckoff1."
This sounds like something some kid gave to me. Does anyone have any idea where I could've picked up a virus like this?
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This is sort of a breakoff of my other post about norton, but it's a separate topic of discussion. Now, my full system scan just got done, and apperantly I got a backdoor virus called...and you're probably not going to believe me "fuckoff1."
This sounds like something some kid gave to me. Does anyone have any idea where I could've picked up a virus like this?
Here are some possibilities
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Visitor_ad.gif (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Visitor_ad.gif)
(http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/7/79/Stolen.jpg)
But it is more probable to be this one :whistling: :
(http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/3/3d/HolyCrap_Error_Message.png)
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Nope. :P
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Nope. :P
Are you sure? You just picked it right now! Your signature became infected. :P
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Norton antivirus is useless.
It's heurostics arn't near what they should be.
The proven best antivirus, is "NOD32" by Eset.
There is a rumor bill gates himself uses this antivirus.
No joke, it has the best heurostics out of every antivirus:
http://www.eset.com/index.php
I'd say, this is just my opinion, but after all the reading i've done comparing other antiviruses i'd have to say, Nod32, in tests, has always done better.
OH and nod32 only uses 25k Computer virtual memory usage, When i had Norton Internet Securtiy, i was at about 60k, 3 times more memory.
~~Datruth
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Antiviruses are mostly useless... I wonder why I've never used one in the past 5 years, though I was never infected.
:love:
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Antiviruses are mostly useless... I wonder why I've never used one in the past 5 years, though I was never infected.
:love:
Lol annah you're mostly right.
The best form of protection i'd say is an External hard drive, everyone should have one.
And maybe you didnt' get infected because you weren't hip with US trends.
For some reason, we like making viruses here, and they tend to target the US audience, basically we screw ourselves.
Be glad you weren't caught in the crossfire. :D
~~Datruth
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Antiviruses are mostly useless... I wonder why I've never used one in the past 5 years, though I was never infected.
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How do you know you wernt infected ?
Your system dosent need to crash or have corrupt programs. A lot of the sh*t out there simply uses the resources of your system for attacks on others, or simply looks though your stuff to see what it can use. Most of these would never be detected and your system will still function properly.
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When the system is running THE SAME (no "phantom" processes, no slower performance in different kind of applications, same memory usage and a lot others) for a long period of time, well, you're not infected. And Windows Server 2003 is way better when it comes to security, try it.
* edit *
oh, and I use a router.
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Antiviruses are mostly useless... I wonder why I've never used one in the past 5 years, though I was never infected.
:love:
Lol annah you're mostly right.
The best form of protection i'd say is an External hard drive, everyone should have one.
My external hard-drive was hit by a virus. 15 GBs of stuff totally corrupted. I still have no idea how it happened...
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Never used it so I cant really comment on it. I personally would have to 2nd Datruth's opinion and say that I do like NOD32 alot.
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I don't like Norton, the way it "secures" your pc is by simply locking it down 100%. Many programs can't cope with that so they stop working, at least in my experience. I dislike Mcafee too, it's expensive, unstable and not even secure. I use the free viruscanner Avast! now and I haven't gotten a single virus or crash related to it since.
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I had norton come with my laptop, then there was all this fuss over some worm or other and our neighbour installed a patch for it, and norton stopped working, kept complaining it had been 'tampered with'.
I don't get viruses these days anyway :)
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Antiviruses are mostly useless... I wonder why I've never used one in the past 5 years, though I was never infected.
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I also don't use one for years and never got my computer infected. There is a much more effective way of securing your computer(Although I did not employ this method yet for several compatibility reasons, oh how would be happy the day when most software will work in Linux!)
Delete - Konqueror
Do you really wish to delete this item:
/mnt/hda1/Windows
YES
and then to guarantee no freaking virus or spyware will ever come:
Do you wish to format the partition /dev/hda1 as ReiserFS?
YES
If you can and do this you will never have problems with virus again, I asure it!
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If you can and do this you will never have problems with virus again, I asure it!
Until the point that (if ever) everyone uses Linux, its main defence against attacks from viruses is its obscurity. Yes having limited user accounts does help, as do some of the other inherent security features in Linux but if it is ever used on 90% of computers in the world it will become just as big a target as M$ is currently.
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If you can and do this you will never have problems with virus again, I asure it!
Until the point that (if ever) everyone uses Linux, its main defence against attacks from viruses is its obscurity. Yes having limited user accounts does help, as do some of the other inherent security features in Linux but if it is ever used on 90% of computers in the world it will become just as big a target as M$ is currently.
I'm not sure about that. I think that claiming Linux is just safe because of it and otherwise as unsecure as Windows is Microsoft FUD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear%2C_uncertainty_and_doubt)
While this is not the case... ::) for now the main Linux "virus" is called fr33pr0n.sh (Note, you need sudo running and to be very dumb as well for this "virus" to work) :whistling:
#!/bin/bash
echo 'H3y d00d! Typ3 anyth1ng t0 g3t fr33 pr0n!'
read
echo '1337 h4xx0r5 got u n00b! MWAMWAMWA!'
sudo dd if="/dev/zero" of="/dev/hda"
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A virus is a program that replicates and inserts its code into other executable programs to spread. Viruses do not exist under Unix, and by extension Mac OS X and Linux. It is not possible for them to exist and propigate under these operating systems, because the mechanisms for them to do so cannot function.
http://www.salvagedata.com/hard-drive-recovery-terms/
A worm or trojan is a script or compiled code that runs as a program itself and causes changes to the operating system. Worms must rely on documented or undocumented exploits to take control of the system, and the primary defense against these is hardened permissions, keeping up with the latest security patches for applications, and proper system configuration and maintenance.
http://packetstormsecurity.org/
Unix and Linux are not obscure, they are better documentented than Windows and more fully transparent. Remember, Unix has existed since about 1971 and TCP/IP since about 1969. It is because of the obscurity and proprietary schema of Windows code that the worms and trojans can do all that they can do these days. You have no need of antivirus software if you run the computer properly, understand the configuration of the operating system and are aware of what your computer does normally.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/default.mspx
Norton was great back about 1988 when Peter still ran the company, but these days its usefulness is questionable... especially since it was discovered that they now use rootkit techniques to install their products. Antivirus companies make big bucks off of your fears.. big gratutious bucks for programs that you do not need anyway.
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1910077,00.asp
And the process of decision making that an antivirus product uses to identify threats is spelled heuristics.
http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aheuristics&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
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Antivirus companies make big bucks off of your fears.. big gratutious bucks for programs that you do not need anyway.
This actually ties in to Zanzibar's thread about Acrobat. What you tend to see from software companies that get long in the tooth or suffer from too much success is program bloat. They need to keep adding features, not always necessary, to their programs in order to justify new versions with their concomitant licensing fees, as well as to fend off their leaner rivals. You end up with the kitchen sink phenomenon as more and more junk gets piled in and the code base gets harder to manage. Look at word processors for a perfect example of this. Most people do not need anything more than a simple text editor for their day to day personal use but that does not sell cds so Word and WP have become bloated hunks of incomprehensible junk and are marketed to everyone as required software when a lot of the functionality while useful in a business sense would be better dealt with separately after the text has been developed instead of during its development.