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Title: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: emeraldfool on February 07, 2007, 11:44:02 pm
European Release Date: 23rd February. I have it marked on my calendar :P


I was just wondering, for those of you who've actually played it, what did you think?

Despite it being my second most-wanted game for the past few years (MGS4 being first), I'm a little apprehensive about the new battle system, and the seemingly more mundane story (about politics rather than uber bad guys trying to destroy the world)...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: Rongar Elani on February 08, 2007, 12:31:37 am
For what Ive heard about it: its huge, BUT: very untypical for sqaure/square enix, the story and the characters havent been worked out like usual, "superficial" was the word, that was used in relation to both, charater and story telling. But since I havent played it yet, I cannot judge by comparing it to the prequels. but what I can say for sure, is that I LOVED the combat system, like it was before. I dont know why they changed it, since it worked out GREAT, and Final Fantasy always stood for it, IMO. And you cant say, a change was neccessary, for to attract more gamers for the game, because it was one of the, if not THE most played and known "japano-RPG" ever [the Dragon Quest series is the other, very successful one] I am very interested to know, how I will get along with the new one, but call me stubborn or not, i KNOW, that i will still like the old one better, since i played Star Wars: Knights of the old republic 1&2, which had a combat system, very similar to the new FF one.
However, i personally think, that FF7 and FF9 were the best, not far ahead to FF8 [fantastic card-minigame]. FFX was a little disappointing, compared to the direct prequels, and to FFX-2 i better wont loose a word. In relation to those last 2, I am sure, that FFXII will be alot more developed in the point of being part of an open, but closed in itself, very big and wonderful world, ready to explore and to look for sidequests and minigames en masse. The story part should be done within 50-60 hours of playing, as they say, but apart from that, the whole game should entertain you for 150+ hours and I cant wait for the release.  :)



I hope, although i havent played it, my post wasnt unwanted here. Im sure, there will be others to post, what experience they already made with the game, but since Im a fan of FF, i just HAD to say something about it.  :D



PS: the games-mag i read, gave 91%
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: oobilytoob on February 08, 2007, 02:52:56 am
All i know, is im hangign on a thread Down Under, waiting for the game. why do we have to get it when you europeans do :/... anyway, all i can say is i have heard a lot about it and that im not looking inthis thread again incase soemoen spoils something..
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: neko kyouran on February 08, 2007, 03:31:39 am
only FF game I ever played was 1.

 :whistling:
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: Rayken on February 08, 2007, 03:38:18 am
I've started it but not gotten too far into it.  The only reason for this is that the newest console system in my house is an NES (yes, Neko, I do have and have finished FF1), and i've been playing XII at a friend's house.  IMO, part of the beauty of Final Fantasy is that the combat and progression systems change every game.  Yes, it's different.  Yes, it's enjoyable.
So far, the characters and plot haven't grabbed me much, like they have in every other FF game i've played, (well, FF1 kinda sucks character development-wise--that white mage is pretty two dimensional), but i'm sure it's just a matter of time.  Like all things FF, the more I play it, the more I'll get into it.
For the record: I loved FFX.  It was dark and complex and the characters were well developed.  The plot twist at the end was even better than the one at the end of FF7.

EDIT: typos
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: Socius Rockus on February 08, 2007, 04:32:46 pm
 :whistling: I dunno much about FF but I played 7 for awhile but that time my PC was to slow so after a week or so i quited, BUT id i recall correctly wasn't FFXI an online version? So what's FXII gonna be a off or online? and if it's an online game, i 'By Laanx' hope it's not gonna be a monthly pay off thingie.
And I hope the screen shots I saw were just crappy quality cause from those i saw it looked like Legacy of Kain Defiance visuals.
But I'll see, what it brings, if I'm lucky and i work a little more ma6ybe I can have it by may ^^ cause I have to save money for Pink pop [ :O MUSE IS COMING]

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: emeraldfool on February 08, 2007, 04:44:01 pm
FFXII is offline, single-player, and supposedly has the best graphics of the series yet.
FFXI is the only Final Fantasy I've never played, primarily 'cause I'm morally opposed to paying for a game more than once :P

And you should really pick up Final Fantasy 7 again - it's considered one of the best games in the world.
Same with you Neko, FF1 is a brutal representation of what Final Fantasy is...

And FFX was great, though I admit the gameplay was a little too linear, and a little too lacking in subquests...
(And I don't even count FFX-2 as a final fantasy. The whole point of that game was to ogle the hot chicks :P  And DOA already dominates that market...)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: Socius Rockus on February 08, 2007, 05:02:09 pm
 :o
FFXII is offline, single-player, and supposedly has the best graphics of the series yet.

Even better then Oblivion? I love the graphs, I can see endlessly (of course when it's not foggy :P)

FFXI is the only Final Fantasy I've never played, primarily 'cause I'm morally opposed to paying for a game more than once :P
:'( I just hate it when cool games come out and ask for a monthly fee, I'm not willing to give up that much money for 1-3 (sundays mostly a bit more :P) play time in evenings. as far as i know WoW asks 12.5 (euro's) a month, that's like 150 euro's a year + the game it self so Around 200 (without expansion) for 1 year and the game.... 200!!! there for you can get all the guildwars, and Oblivion which both you can play for ever free! So as they say live is about compensating.
So  \\o// no monthly fee then, then It's still on my shopping list :P

And you should really pick up Final Fantasy 7 again - it's considered one of the best games in the world.
:-\ I don't think I can do that, I'm busy with Oblivion, GW andeven more Planeshift ^^ and we got us a new update :lol: and don't have that much time to play...
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! this forum get's me distracted from my homework, not that I mind  ;) but some do :P

Anyways, I'm always looking forward to such games you can play when you're bored, but also have a nice storyline so you don't feel totaly useless with playing a game which is just about the highscore  O--)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: bilbous on February 08, 2007, 05:08:18 pm
So if it is a final fantasy why isn't it finished yet? I'm just saying that the name is a little silly.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: Socius Rockus on February 08, 2007, 05:21:28 pm
So if it is a final fantasy why isn't it finished yet? I'm just saying that the name is a little silly.
xD I think it's a looooooooong 'final fantasy' cause this would be part 12, like in a race!you're in the final lap but but the race is still going on :P  and the name of a game doesn't always have to be a good one, it's about the 'inside' that counts.
And there are lot's of games with names you can say it's a pretty silly name  ;)

"Edit: i just keep Final spelling like Finale.... :-\"
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: bilbous on February 08, 2007, 05:28:36 pm
I'll wait for Duke Nukem Forever thanks.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: lordraleigh on February 08, 2007, 05:36:43 pm
I'll wait for Duke Nukem Forever thanks.

Duke Nukem Forever is Coming Really Very Soon(TM)

Planeshift will reach version 1.0 and DNF still won't come  :P
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: bilbous on February 08, 2007, 05:41:17 pm
I'm really really patient....

At least the people in the white coats keep referring to me as such....
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: emeraldfool on February 08, 2007, 05:57:17 pm
So if it is a final fantasy why isn't it finished yet? I'm just saying that the name is a little silly.

Actually, I'm pretty sure 'Final Fantasy' refers to the fact that every single game 'finishes', and in the process the player breaks the vicious cycle of tyranny which is going on. Every single game is completely different from the last, usually in both story, setting and mechanics, which means that everything is resolved by the end.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: bilbous on February 08, 2007, 06:32:26 pm
What no reports of  eternal Tanelorn  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanelorn) for you the  eternal Champion  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_Champion) to retire to when you have saved the day? How disappointing. I can't recall if I have ever played any of the versions, I get it confused with the nintendo series about Link one of which had something to do with a potato flute (Ocarina of Time). FF isn't really the same is it?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: emeraldfool on February 08, 2007, 06:39:44 pm
What no reports of  eternal Tanelorn  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanelorn) for you the  eternal Champion  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_Champion) to retire to when you have saved the day? How disappointing. I can't recall if I have ever played any of the versions, I get it confused with the nintendo series about Link one of which had something to do with a potato flute (Ocarina of Time). FF isn't really the same is it?

The Legend of Zelda? Never liked those games... But Final Fantasy is hella different. For one, there's a decent story to them all :P
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: bilbous on February 08, 2007, 06:56:56 pm
So it is more like the Elder Scrolls? (Oblivion and precursors)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: Valbrandr on February 08, 2007, 07:32:48 pm
I bought FFXII figuring it wouldnt be very good.. but I was a bit surprised.. I really like the battle system and they basically brought back the sphere grid which I thought was the best thing about FFX.. The story is a little lame at first, but it gets better throughout the game.  I only have like 32 hours right now and it seems to be getting better.  I would buy it again.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: Socius Rockus on February 08, 2007, 08:10:38 pm
So it is more like the Elder Scrolls? (Oblivion and precursors)

As far as i know the battle system if very different then the one in Oblivion, which is first person shooter kinda like, FF more turn based.
And from what I can remember from FFVII FF has much longer conversations. And you have multiple persons/creatures in a party which travels with you.
And it's more like you're part of a story, and in Oblivion you are the story.

 :whistling: Correct me if I'm wrong
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: emeraldfool on February 08, 2007, 08:18:33 pm
So it is more like the Elder Scrolls? (Oblivion and precursors)

No, it's even more different to Oblivion. It'd take hours to describe Final Fantasy, they're some of the longest, most in-depth games ever made...

And they have the coolest characters ever:

(http://binrock.net/permanent/2006/0205_cartoons/sephiroth.jpg)
 :D
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: Socius Rockus on February 08, 2007, 08:20:50 pm
 ;D How could i forget, The MASSIVE weapons!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: Valbrandr on February 08, 2007, 09:21:20 pm
I do love Final Fantasy man.. but it is overrated.. It does have some cool characters.. but really how good was FFVII?  I went back through it not too long ago and I was thinking most of the time that this game isnt nothing compared to how I remember it.  Really I love FF 1,4,6 and well thats about it.. I liked 7 but 8 went downhill and 9 was a joke.. I think 12 is the best one since 7 atleast... they did a pretty good job this time around.  10 had some good things too.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: neko kyouran on February 08, 2007, 10:02:12 pm
Same with you Neko, FF1 is a brutal representation of what Final Fantasy is...

I only have 1 console.  It is very old.

If you are willing to buy me the consoles that will play the rest of the series, then I'll play them.  :)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: emeraldfool on February 08, 2007, 10:08:17 pm
Same with you Neko, FF1 is a brutal representation of what Final Fantasy is...

I only have 1 console.  It is very old.

If you are willing to buy me the consoles that will play the rest of the series, then I'll play them.  :)

FFVII+ is available for the PC.


In fact... Click Here (http://www.isohunt.com/download/10597462/final+fantasy+PC)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: neko kyouran on February 08, 2007, 10:10:23 pm
I don't play games out of order.

You'll have to get me those consoles to play 2-6 first.   :P
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: emeraldfool on February 08, 2007, 10:18:23 pm
I don't play games out of order.

You'll have to get me those consoles to play 2-6 first.   :P

Psch, you're so hard to please :P

Besides, the whole point of Final Fantasy is that they aren't in an order. It makes no difference whatsoever what order you play them in.

I went 7, 8, 10, 6, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 9  (I got bored with 9, just finished it recently...)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: Valbrandr on February 08, 2007, 10:36:34 pm
Just download all the games and use and emulator.. with frostwire or whatever you can get like every nintendo game and SNES game and its like 200-500 meg or something like that.. Then you can play everything. 
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: neko kyouran on February 08, 2007, 10:49:48 pm
As an official member of the PS Team, I am obligated under contract to say that I do not endorse violating copywrite laws.

Well, I never signed a contract, but you get the idea.   ;)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: emeraldfool on February 08, 2007, 11:28:12 pm
As an official member of the PS Team, I am obligated under contract to say that I do not endorse violating copywrite laws.

Well, I never signed a contract, but you get the idea.   ;)

Hehehehehehehehehehehe...


Sorry, that just... sounds so ironic... :P
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: Rayken on February 09, 2007, 08:48:37 am
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy), Final Fantasy was named so because it was to be the game designer's last game before going into retirement.  I'd heard that the same was true for Square, that they were bankrupt and that this was to be their last effort, but according to this article that's not the truth.  I want to touch on a couple of points:

FF1 rocked as far as games could at the time.  It was insanely hard and the gameplay sucked.  There was no storyline or characters.  But hey.

FF6 was far better but i never finished it.

FF7 is generally regarded as the best video game yet, and I certainly don't disagree.

FF8 ruled too, though i never quite finished it.  IMO, Squall is a much better character than cloud.

Guess I've already talked about X.  X2 was alright, mostly it was yeah, what emerald said.  I never finished it, but I still plan to.  There might be other games that accomplish the same thing better, but i'm somewhat attached to the Rikku and Yuna characters.
And the sphere grid rocks, I'm glad it's (sort of) back in XII.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: emeraldfool on February 09, 2007, 03:27:21 pm
Rikku was the cutest character ever... :love:

But that didn't help the unbelievably sickening sequences of FFX-2.
"Cool, we just beat up some dudes and stole their sphere! So... now what?"
"I know! Let's have a dance-party!"
"Yay!"
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: Drey on February 10, 2007, 11:46:52 am
So many of you people haven't played ffvii, that's like blasphemy.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: neko kyouran on February 10, 2007, 11:59:45 am
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Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: emeraldfool on February 10, 2007, 03:02:18 pm
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Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: lordraleigh on February 10, 2007, 07:09:17 pm
I prefer the classic ones from SNES, specially after reading the following things about FF XII:

First one featured review that points the decadence of these series:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/review/R106503.html (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/review/R106503.html)

Now some of the rest:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/review/R110013.html (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/review/R110013.html)

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/review/R107410.html (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/review/R107410.html)

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/review/R110314.html (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/review/R110314.html)

After that I'm glad I never played anything after FF VI(Final Fantasy III in US)

What is the point about FF XII? Here it is:

(http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/1/17/Kefka_-_Laugh.gif) MWAMWAMWAMWAMWA!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: rast on February 10, 2007, 07:17:46 pm
Just started playing ffx after all this time  :sweatdrop:
but hey...

Must finish ffx before ffxii comes out - *runs off to play obsessively for several hours*

Ahh well, can't wait for it to come out, just don't want to be addicted to 2 games at once :D
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: emeraldfool on February 11, 2007, 12:43:37 am
What is the point about FF XII? Here it is:

(http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/1/17/Kefka_-_Laugh.gif) MWAMWAMWAMWAMWA!


That's funny, because almost every gaming magazine around the world has rewarded Final Fantasy XII with at least 90%, some hailing it as one of the best games on the PS2.

This includes:
The Official Playstation Magazine (UK and US) (100%)
GameSpy (100%)
Play Magazine (100%)
EuroGamer (100%)
IGN (95%)

(Source: http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/finalfantasyxii (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/finalfantasyxii))


Which I'm inclined to take more seriously than some inexperienced weenies at gamesFaq :P
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: lordraleigh on February 11, 2007, 01:14:49 am
What I mean is that lately FF games lost part of their "spirit", the more modern ones lack something that existed the classics like FF VI and FF VII.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: emeraldfool on February 11, 2007, 01:48:00 pm
What I mean is that lately FF games lost part of their "spirit", the more modern ones lack something that existed the classics like FF VI and FF VII.

That's true, but they're still really good games. Better than what those reviews made it out to be.


I dunno, it's real hard to create a completely different world and set of characters that are as good or better as the rest, time and time again. Most people struggle to come up with new ideas, even when all they need to change is the plot. Squaresoft consistently change everything, and still manage to be one of the best series ever.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: Atomica on February 11, 2007, 02:30:45 pm
Tidus rocks my world...

Rikku was just... bleh. Predictably cute and innocent...
Lulu was way hotter...


I keep meaning to pick up XII... Too lazy...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XII
Post by: rast on February 12, 2007, 09:22:46 pm
Found this on Youtube:
Final fantasy XIII (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-8lVn4VWyc)

hehe :D
(now to wait for the ps3 to actually come out and then for it to drop in price sufficiantly enough for me to be able to afford it. Mind you, by the time this game is actually released, a ps4 will probably be on the horizon)