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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: zanzibar on February 09, 2007, 10:23:23 am
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Though not intended as a description of forum trolls, there are a lot of parallels. The link goes through descriptions of each 'tactic'.
25 Rules of Disinformation
http://www.911review.org/Wiki/RulesOfDisinformation.shtml
1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil
2. Become incredulous and indignant
3. Create rumor mongers
4. Use a straw man
5. Sidetrack opponents w name calling, ridicule
6. Hit and Run
7. Question motives
8. Invoke authority
9. Play Dumb
10. Associate opponent charges with old news
11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions
12. Enigmas have no solution
13. Alice in Wonderland Logic
14. Demand complete solutions
15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions
16. Vanish evidence and witnesses
17. Change the subject
18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad
19. Ignore facts, demand impossible proofs
20. False evidence
21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor
22. Manufacture a new truth
23. Create bigger distractions
24. Silence critics
25. Vanish
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1) Grow hair out super long
2) Get it to stick straight up.
3) Change it's color to bright orange, pink, or green.
4) Shrink self
5) Enlarge head to equal the size of the rest of your body
(http://www.whiterose.org/pete/blog/images/trolls.jpg)
Edit:
:innocent:
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Psch, I already knew that...
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Method 1
1 - Look for examples of Godwins Law
2 - Call the one that let a thread reach Godwins Law as an idiot or as a stupid
3 - Try to keep the thread alive by posting pointless flamebaits towards the one who mentioned the "forbidden" word, hoping this individual won't ignore your bait.
4 - Repeat this until a moderator locks the thread
Method 2
1 - Simply call someone as idiot or stupid hoping this person will be baited by your flame.
2 - Repeat until a moderator locks the thread.
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1. Get in boat, turn on engine, accelerate to 5kmph.
2. Prepare line, attach hook.
3. Cast hook, affix rod to boat.
4. Drink beer
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1. Get in boat, turn on engine, accelerate to 5kmph.
2. Prepare line, attach hook.
3. Cast hook, affix rod to boat.
4. Drink beer
Trawlers use fishing nets :P
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Do the Bilbous procedures, but also:
5) Put a bait on the hook and use a lighter to ignite a flame on it.
You just made a flamebait. Now just throw it on the water and you will start a flame war (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Flame_War), of course the flames will quickly loose the war against the water...
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from wordnet
troll
n 1: (Scandanavian folklore) a supernatural creature (either a
dwarf or a giant) that is supposed to live in caves or
in the mountains
2: a partsong in which voices follow each other; one voice
starts and others join in one after another until all are
singing different parts of the song at the same time;
"they enjoyed singing rounds" [syn: round]
3: a fisherman's lure that is used in trolling; "he used a
spinner as his troll"
4: angling by drawing a baited line through the water [syn: trolling]
v 1: circulate, move around
2: cause to move round and round; "The child trolled her hoop"
3: sing the parts of (a round) in succession
4: angle with a hook and line drawn through the water
5: sing loudly and without inhibition
6: praise or celebrate in song; "All tongues shall troll you"
7: speak or recite rapidly or in a rolling voice
This however is more what the op is talking about:
troll
An electronic mail message, Usenet posting or other
(electronic) communication which is intentionally incorrect,
but not overtly controversial (compare flame bait), or the
act of sending such a message. Trolling aims to elicit an
emotional reaction from those with a hair-trigger on the reply
key. A really subtle troll makes some people lose their
minds.
"The Free On-line Dictionary
of Computing, http://www.foldoc.org/, Editor Denis Howe" (1994-10-17)
He seems to prefer a wider definition than is strictly accurate, more in line with flame-bait. A matter of interpretation, no doubt, that doesn't unduly concern me.
No lr, I just made a just made a poor attempt at humor.
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So 'trawling' and 'trolling' mean pretty much the exact same thing? That's wyrd...
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from wordnet
troll
3: a fisherman's lure that is used in trolling; "he used a
spinner as his troll"
But a better phrase would be "He used a flamebait as he's troll"
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He seems to prefer a wider definition than is strictly accurate, more in line with flame-bait. A matter of interpretation, no doubt, that doesn't unduly concern me.
No lr, I just made a just made a poor attempt at humor.
Ah, good. Because I was about to label it as a poor attempt at trolling.:)
Speaking about someone else in the 3rd person with an air of superiority, ignoring the content of his post while fixating on irrelevant semantics and ignoring the context of the words you pick on. I see that kind of thing as trolling.
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Ooh... maybe I can finally link to this (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/) :]
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Ooh... maybe I can finally link to this (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/) :]
LMAO! That site rocks, and it seems most of us could be pinned down by one of those...
Godzilla (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/godzilla.htm) and Bliss Ninny (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/blissninny.htm) were funny.
They could really make a game out've that...
This reminded me of Karyuu for some reason... :-> (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/netiquettenazi.htm)
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Type in 1337 speak. All in capitals. make little sense. be pointless.
Post alot of random images in a chain line. Porn or gore depending on your preferance. Find a site. Put the above into action.
make everybody luagh (or maybe its just me that has a fondness of some trolls...) and get banned.
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Everyone has a different definition for a 'troll'.
Personally this is the first I've heard of the word in this context. I thought they were big green fellas with clubs.
Or axes. "Whoja wanna kill?" *snicker*
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Emeraldfool (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/enfantprovocateur.htm). :P
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What do you call someone who is a more intelligent mix of Artful Dodger and Nitpick, has the politics and sensitivity of Pinko, but has many traits of Ego? It is so hard to get them all to fit the mold. I would like to think I am Philosopher, but more likely I am closer to Profundus Maximus.
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Emeraldfool (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/enfantprovocateur.htm). :P
Paro (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/ferouscranus.htm) :P
What do you call someone who is a more intelligent mix of Artful Dodger and Nitpick, has the politics and sensitivity of Pinko, but has many traits of Ego? It is so hard to get them all to fit the mold. I would like to think I am Philosopher, but more likely I am closer to Profundus Maximus.
You can't do yourself, Goldy. That just... sucks the fun out of it :P
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Paro (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/ferouscranus.htm) :P
You think so? Hmm? I think that says more about you than me.
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Oh no! I wasn't talking about myself. I don't have that much self hatred. Besides, my viewpoints are more like capitalista or centurion.
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I am closer to Profundus Maximus.
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I think that he's refering to himself in the last line but the first few are someone else.
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I think I would fit with these two(But lately I'm not so interested in talking about 09/11 conspiracy, Illuminati, etc - and neither posted such things with CAPS LOCK)
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/ideologue.htm (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/ideologue.htm)
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/klaxon.htm (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/klaxon.htm)
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Paro (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/ferouscranus.htm) :P
You think so? Hmm? I think that says more about you than me.
I wasn't going to say it.
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I really thought this was a humor thread and I was playing the straight man waiting for the punch line. The first post was mildly amusing especially considering its source, the second post was also amusing, a visual play on the word. The third post was mostly nothing at all, the fourth appeared to be a unhappy reaction to the first by someone who thought it was directed at them but could have been an attempt at humor in the same vein as the first. I just continued the levity by playing off another meaning of the word.
If that is to be considered trolling how can the whole thread escape that designation considering that what followed was what could be expected to follow? I really have to believe this thread is humorous in intent and my original post was on-topic. Perhaps I am wrong, I cannot be certain.
Sadly I think this post is only on-topic if the latter interpretation is accurate but maybe one can be amused at my confusion, I don't mind.
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Lets put it this way, if a post is "troll based", then normally it won't survive for very long and will be removed.
It's what we're (mod team) is here for afterall.
Everyone play nice in the sand pit now. Oh, and watch your step, some of the enki's tend to get a tad confused. ::|
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Ah, but a good troll knows how to appear innocent, like he doesn't mean to do what he does.
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Care for a round of Row, Row, Row Your Boat like Bones and Kirk and Spoke in that Star Trek movie?
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Lets put it this way, if a post is "troll based", then normally it won't survive for very long and will be removed.
It's what we're (mod team) is here for afterall.
Everyone play nice in the sand pit now. Oh, and watch your step, some of the enki's tend to get a tad confused. ::|
Neko (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/nanny.htm)
Zanzi (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/palooka.htm)
Bilbo (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/android.htm)
I love this site... ;D
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I wonder if there are grenade (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/grenade.htm) throwers here...
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That site is awesome.. I wonder where I fit.
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Me (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/atheist.htm) and Datruth (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/deacon.htm) if we could get away with it here.
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Me (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/atheist.htm) and Datruth (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/deacon.htm) if we could get away with it here.
I hope Datruth don't post a religion discussion here as well as I (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/atheist.htm) will be ready to send the scientifical and historical arguments about such things as well.
P.S.: Not an atheist though. I'm actually an agnostic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism).
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Zanzi (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/palooka.htm)
I love this site... ;D
Emerald, I don't flame you. I correct you. There's a difference.
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Zanzi (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/palooka.htm)
I love this site... ;D
Emerald, I don't flame you. I correct you. There's a difference.
No, you don't 'flame' me because I choose not to catch on fire :P
Thus extinguishing the flames...
Lucky for you I stopped taking you seriously a long time ago :whistling:
That site is awesome.. I wonder where I fit.
You don't argue all that much, so it's hard to tell...
But you seem like one of these (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/blissninny.htm) ;D
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Lucky for you I stopped taking you seriously a long time ago
The world weeps for your intellectual development.
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Lucky for you I stopped taking you seriously a long time ago
The world weeps for your intellectual development.
Killing people is only fun for serial killers.
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/jerk.htm (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/jerk.htm) :whistling:
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The only cutting I do is cutting to the truth of an issue.
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Neko (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/nanny.htm)
I'll take that as a compliment. :)
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You should take it as a compliment! It's better than what I got :P
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Datruth became a wannabe of this one (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/godzilla.htm) on the thread about the new combat system.
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That is till he felt the smite of this one. (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/admin.htm)
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Sycophant (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/sycophant.htm) and other suckups will also attach themselves to a strong Admin to form a defensive perimeter around him
http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=27560.0 (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=27560.0)
No offense intended.
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No offense intended.
That's a pity, I find you would be much more acceptable if you were honest.
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Oh I'm by no means sucking up. Just informing in a poetic way. Smite is a nice word.
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Offense or no offense, the very reason I was worried about posting that link is all of the comparisons that followed. Have a chuckle and share things like that privately if you want, but I'd rather not have us accidentally cross a line. So I'm officially asking you guys to not draw such similarities.
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How do these things get so many pages so fast?
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Offense or no offense, the very reason I was worried about posting that link is all of the comparisons that followed. Have a chuckle and share things like that privately if you want, but I'd rather not have us accidentally cross a line. So I'm officially asking you guys to not draw such similarities.
/me snaps to attention and salutes Karyuu.
"Yes Miss!"
Sycophant enough?
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Offense or no offense, the very reason I was worried about posting that link is all of the comparisons that followed. Have a chuckle and share things like that privately if you want, but I'd rather not have us accidentally cross a line. So I'm officially asking you guys to not draw such similarities.
Everything is so simple about such comparisons...
If you don't want to be seen as fitting on an existing stereotype you are bothered with, prove you won't fit on it by doing the opposite of what such stereotypes would be supposed to do usually.
Or the easier way: simply by the others don't spreading such stereotypes.
Anyway I don't see much point on more comparisons, this thread ran out dry mostly.
* Parallo snaps to attention and salutes Karyuu.
"Yes Miss!"
Sycophant enough?
Sarcasm is common in many of these stereotypes therefore it's impossible to make a pre-emptive misjudgement based on this one.
*Addition
Some people really are commonly hurling PS-related grenades on certain threads that will serve as a pretext for them being locked.
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Since the humor seems to be dying here is another kind of troll
. .(http://web.ncf.ca/cr502/troll.gif)
Get it? Harr de harrr harrrr! (two types in one post!)
Sing it Brothers and Sisters!
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Sycophant (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/sycophant.htm) and other suckups will also attach themselves to a strong Admin to form a defensive perimeter around him
http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=27560.0 (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=27560.0)
No offense intended.
The whining pisses me off too. It has nothing to do with sucking up to admins, and it has everything to do with being annoyed by the immaturity of certain posters.
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One of which made a second forum account to promote his own posts...*ahem* ^
:P
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Sycophant (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/sycophant.htm) and other suckups will also attach themselves to a strong Admin to form a defensive perimeter around him
http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=27560.0 (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=27560.0)
No offense intended.
The whining pisses me off too. It has nothing to do with sucking up to admins, and it has everything to do with being annoyed by the immaturity of certain posters.
I know some people lobbed multiple grenades on that discussion that blew everything up. And there is even a new version of Godwins law perhaps:
omg why do you guys have to be communist???
Like if communism was the same thing than authoritarianism, and anyway this one missed far.
Time for russian reversals!
In Soviet Union, the Threads lock You!
In Soviet Union, the trolls are flamed by You!
Anyway this whole discussion is strayed us away from the TRUTH! None of the mentioned things really are examples of trolling. Here is a true image of a Troll. Don't let the CIA delude you!
(http://www.vesivus.com/eBay/dndminis/HB_Troll.jpg)
And another more classical drawing of a troll:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Trollet_som_grunner_p%C3%A5_hvor_gammelt_det_er.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Trollet_som_grunner_p%C3%A5_hvor_gammelt_det_er.jpg)
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That's racist, you're saying all of the short, ugly, drunken dwarves are trolls. How could you flame those midgets like that? :P
(referring to last pic)
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In Soviet Union, the Threads lock You!
Oh man! I really need to use that. Badly. Someone, quick. Make a thread that needs locking.
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You do realize what you just said right?
:P
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In Soviet Union, the Threads lock You!
Oh man! I really need to use that. Badly. Someone, quick. Make a thread that needs locking.
You called?
I think I can put you in for my 7:30. You want anti-semitism, foul language, sexual innuendo or two white cops beating up a black guy? ;D (It's possible that it's because I'm an evil SOB, but that last one always makes me giggle...)
Time for russian reversals!
In Soviet Union, the Threads lock You!
In Soviet Union, the trolls are flamed by You!
Why's everyone always ripping on the Soviet Union? They're way cooler than you capitalist dogs :P
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I guess I'm an archivist (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/archivist.htm) because I have an urge to mention that I've seen a link to that site on this forums (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=22082.msg252589#msg252589) before.
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This method guarantees that you will screw a whole discussion(And also guarantees you a :ban: :P):
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Fifty_Hitler_Post (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Fifty_Hitler_Post)
Look as an example at this artistical detonation and degradation of a forum:
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/images/8/8f/50hitler.jpg (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/images/8/8f/50hitler.jpg)
And for testing purposes, as I presume the impact here will be tremendous as of a A-bomb, and the consequences are unpredictable as I put the image of 50 Hitlers, hoping the admins and mods will have mercy:
50 (http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/9/9d/Hitler.emo.jpg)
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I recognize but one definition of troll. They happen to be the enterprising fellows who gain all capital via goats and a small bridge. Wholesome fellows, family men. I have great respect for their work.
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Time for russian reversals!
In Soviet Union, the Threads lock You!
In Soviet Union, the trolls are flamed by You!
Why's everyone always ripping on the Soviet Union? They're way cooler than you capitalist dogs :P
I guess it's time for finishing what I began with the "50 hitlers"...
In Soviet Union, the Concentration Camps work for YOU!! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag)
In Soviet Union, Stalin is killed by YOU!! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin#Number_of_victims)
This is the FACT:
Stalin = Hitler (http://hitlerstalinsimilarities.blogspot.com/) X-/
And just to increase even more the seriousness of such FACTS ::)
Call Father Merrin! (http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/08/29/stalinhitler.shtml) :P
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One question: Where does Mao (http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html) enter into all of this?
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One question: Where does Mao (http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html) enter into all of this?
From that website:
Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) 12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)
We know the number to be much higher than that. This leads me to be suspicious of the other numbers he's arrived at.
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Hitler is a Troll? I though Trolls were creatures with purple, brown or green skin that usually guard bridges and throw axes around.
:P
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Don't forget Oliver Cromwell. He's Ireland's Hitler...
(And don't believe the wiki article, it's totally pro-Cromwell, pro-royalist, BS.)
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Hitler is a Troll? I though Trolls were creatures with purple, brown or green skin that usually guard bridges and throw axes around.
:P
A thread about Trolls wouldn't be complete without breaking Godwins Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_Law) dozens of times.
Don't forget Oliver Cromwell. He's Ireland's Hitler...
(And don't believe the wiki article, it's totally pro-Cromwell, pro-royalist, BS.)
Found it:
http://www.irish-society.org/Hedgemaster%20Archives/Cromwell_1.htm (http://www.irish-society.org/Hedgemaster%20Archives/Cromwell_1.htm)
Recommendation: as a protest, the page about the "neutrality" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPOV) of Wikipedia may be turned into this: :innocent:
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Vandalism_Box (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Vandalism_Box)
And lastly, a very critical FACT. Remember, The Truth Is Out There:
The CIA Controls Wikipedia!!!! (http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/msg/9f1da2e6d4ad21f3?&hl=en)
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Neoconservative activists also own and control Facebook, I just found out. And information that you delete in your profile remains in their database forever.
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Have you ever looked at who provided seed money for google? Such luminaries as Kissinger and Schwarzenegger among others.
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Have you ever looked at who provided seed money for google? Such luminaries as Kissinger and Schwarzenegger among others.
This must be some kind of site created by Google Corporation itself to ridicularize the conspiracy theories about Google(Although there are some "serious" things as well - Specially the "Google + Chinese Communist Party" partnership):
http://www.google-watch.org/ (http://www.google-watch.org/)
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Back on topic. Where can you find the trolls roaming free? Where can you relieve your stress without disrupting PlaneShift Forums? Where can you find an warlike enviroment without rules? Where can you stand for your point of view on politics in any way?
HERE, in the BellSouth Current Events Fourum (http://home.bellsouth.net/s/community.dll?ep=2&globalmsgboard=1&catid=145&ck=)
Somewhere for discussing polemic issues without limits, where flame wars are as common as conflicts in the Middle East. And where moderators are mythological beings that only exist on legends.
Just don't try to bring that forum issues here or.....................
:ban: