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Support => Technical Help: IN GAME bugs (after loading world) => Topic started by: NumbSkull on February 18, 2007, 12:22:28 am
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:'( i logged on today & as usual the NPC client was down ...but this time after i un-equiped my 300/300 ss' they became 250/250 & i had put them in separate slots i kno theres nuthin you can do for me ...just though you should kno :'(
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For some reason the 300/300 cap was reduced to 250/250.
Which means that happened to everybody. There's no 300/300 swords/knives/whatever left any where...
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:o why ... :thumbdown:
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To favour the power-levelers and power-miners. :P
It's a big conspiracy...
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Better crafting tools will be available soon. I think that's why.
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Better crafting tools will be available soon. I think that's why.
A better rockpick would be welcome as well.
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Better crafting tools will be available soon. I think that's why.
A better rockpick would be welcome as well.
Master crafted rock picks are already back in game. If I told you how to get one, it would be a spoiler.
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There are Mastercrafted Hammers too ;)
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There are Mastercrafted Hammers too ;)
Yup. I have one of those as well.
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Glad you're enjoying the new crafting boosters. Other boosters do exist, and who knows if more are coming? ;) Well...I know, but that's besides the point. :innocent:
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Master crafted rock picks are already back in game. If I told you how to get one, it would be a spoiler.
I have one now too :) What's the benefit of it over the normal rockpick? Went through hell for this, literally :P
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Nothing really, they don't actually do anything, but will in the ...eh... near future.
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Nothing really, they don't actually do anything, but will in the ...eh... near future.
Still nothing much then either I suppose :) No faster mining or better chance of striking gold (or equivalent).. just lasts longer before "breaking" I imagine?
It's a shame with this pick as what I had to go through to get the darn thing and it just lasts longer? Woo-bloody-hoo :P
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Well, picks don't wear out yet as far as I know.
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For some reason the 300/300 cap was reduced to 250/250.
Which means that happened to everybody. There's no 300/300 swords/knives/whatever left any where...
Sorry for writing it after so long time but I know that there are a lot of old Q300/300 weapons still in the game. So my question is, why are they? And why are high Q weapons still in the game? They were made without any skill in weapon making or blacksmith. Everybody was able to craft them without any training. And everybody who has an old high Q weapon can duplicate it today by stacking and repairing.
Is this fair to honest crafters who train a lot to make a weapon? If I train some month smithing I would be maybe able to craft a Q200/200 weapon. But nobody will buy it because everybody would buy an copy of an old Q300/300 or Q250/250 weapon from a crafter who has still one of this.
In my opinion it would be time to wipe all old high Q weapons before some people made high Q weapons from hard training. This is the only way to make sure that economy can develop. You also could make it impossible to stack selfmade weapons but this would mean that the market is saturated at the moment from the old ones. There woul be barely demand on middle Q weopons that are a lot of crafter are able to make today.
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I second the questions presented by Bepules in the previous post. I recognize that there are a lot of 300 quality weapons out there due to stack and repair of weapons that survived the downgrade, and that currently, it is not possible to make such weapons without using one of those as a template.
My one dissent is I believe we need to keep stack and repair as long as weapon qualities don't go up commensurate with increasing skills.
From my testing, one will have to be a level 40 swordmaker before you can make a 300 quality sword, and that would take months of nearly continuous practice. Both the weapon quality and steel quality bugs need to be fixed before stack and repair is eliminated.
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From my testing, one will have to be a level 40 swordmaker before you can make a 300 quality sword, and that would take months of nearly continuous practice. Both the weapon quality and steel quality bugs need to be fixed before stack and repair is eliminated.
Are you saying a bug should not be fixed because in a game you could play for years you need a few months to reach the maximum in the game, so you really need to exploit the bug and do it in minutes???
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For some reason the 300/300 cap was reduced to 250/250.
Which means that happened to everybody. There's no 300/300 swords/knives/whatever left any where...
There woul be barely demand on middle Q weopons that are a lot of crafter are able to make today.
There would be barely demand on them anyway, since slash 3-4 weapons, which a 200/200 is approximately comparable with, only cost 3-5k and aren't that rare.
From my testing, one will have to be a level 40 swordmaker before you can make a 300 quality sword, and that would take months of nearly continuous practice. Both the weapon quality and steel quality bugs need to be fixed before stack and repair is eliminated.
Are you saying a bug should not be fixed because in a game you could play for years you need a few months to reach the maximum in the game, so you really need to exploit the bug and do it in minutes???
He's not really saying 'lets keep the bug', no crafter would say that, who really cares for his desired hobby/business, since the template thing entirely ignores the progress you make in your crafting skills. Nevertheless, he is right. Training the crafting-related skills takes way too long, if you compare it to other skills. And crafting weapons does not only take a few minutes. If you mine the iron&coal yourself, which most of the crafters do, since there is no real market for steel stock, it takes you a few hours for a pair of shortswords, depending on your luck and mining skill. Even newbies make more money and faster, by mining gold and selling it to the metallurgy experts. So, If you want to make the real money, don't waste your time on crafting, spend it on metallurgy and mining and you are set.
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Of course Im not saying that its a problem because it takes so long.
Im saying its a bug since I made a 194 short sword at level 9, and then the qualities dropped off. By the time I was at level 14, I could only make 130 quality. And a level 20 only makes 154 quality.
It seems to drop off after level 9 then very slowly rise, so that it will be about level 25 to get back above the 194 I got at level 9!
And I concur completely with Rongar on the relative "hardness" of crafting compared to other skills. Being a crafter is foolish at the current time.
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Crafting a weapon depends most on the luck you have. If you made a Q194 short sword with lvl 9 in sword making you had much luck. I for myself made a lot af weapons at the same time,the same skill and the same Q of the weapon parts. The maximum difference in quality was more than 90.
In my opinion it is not necessary to fix the stacking and repairing. I really don't know if it is a bug. I thought it is a feature, isn't it?
The problem is, that the old Q250 and Q300 weapons made with using a bug are still in the game. So everybody could make a copy of it.
If you train hard and make a Q300 one day it should be allowed to make a copy of it.
I would suggest to wipe all selfmade weapons with Q250 and more. If the wipe is now, nobody would complain that his weapons made by hard training are wiped.
(edit for language)
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Thanks, Repules for getting us back to the original point :)
I agree completely, with both you and Rongar.
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Greetings
I had been informed by Bepules that he had never used his Master Crafted Hammer since he could not equip it in his
left hand. I just tried mine and confirm, it does not equip to the left hand, only the right. Even if it worked only as well
as the standard one, we could not use it.
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The master crafting hammer is bugged and reported as such, because of the complexity of crafting it will be hard to get that hammer to work properly though.
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It's not a bug. Crafting bonuses just aren't implemented yet.