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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: Gondric on February 24, 2007, 11:49:39 am
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Hey im in the market for a video card. currently the thing im usin is a peice of junk (cos its not a real graphics card)
and i was wondering what sort of video cards i could install with this port.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2862/agpportao6.png
thanks any help wold be appreciated
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I would suggest that you look up AGP graphics on places like savastore and see what you find... but I would recommend a new motherboard package too... so you can make use of PCI... It all depends on your budget.
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As you say your budget is small... I would recommend you set your budget perameters on the search and look at places like EBAY for what is out there, and go for the best for your budget... it also depends on the motherboard you are running on and its CPU (amd or Pentium..etc) as to whether you go for a Nvidia or other chipset in your GPU... Nvidia are better with AMD as a general rule.
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lol i have a small as budget. im just really lookin for sumthin that can go into this thing. so all agp cards will fit?
*edit*
it also has a slot at the back of the computer thats 12cms high if that helps
[ Please avoid making one post right after the other in the same thread. Just "Modify" your first post to add more information. --Karyuu ]
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[you should edit the previous post... for fear of being told off for double posting]
What type of motherboard [MB] do you have? make model? etc... you could then look at places like savastore where they give compatibility charts for products.. [so long as the MB you have is not now obsolete?]
I don't understand the 12cm thing you are on about.. AGP slot is an AGP slot..... the holes in the casing are for the connector part of the card... or fans... or ventilation...
Lolitra [with thanks to her husband for the techy stuff]
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Thanks. the 12Cm thing is just the hole in the case thought it might help. meh ill just ask mi friends dad tomorrow.
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The 12 cm hole is probably where any ports poke out of the back of cards. Otherwise if you needed something not already built into your motherboard (like a network card, or a graphics card on really ancient computers), you wouldn't have anywhere to plug for example, the monitor in.
They're all about the same size, that shouldn't present a compatibility issue.
Please stop spelling "my" "mi"...
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In this (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=26304.msg296452#msg296452) post I explained some of the changes to graphics socket types. Have a look at that and it should explain some things.
As for finding out what your computer can take, the only real way to know what it can take is by getting the make and model of your motherboard, this is normally written on the board, usually at one of the edges or betweer 2 of the PCI slots. just open your case and have a quick look. You will also find the make and model in your motherboard manual.
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The most reliable information will come from the motherboard manufacturers website if the mb is not too old. Some of these sites are a little tricky to navigate but for the most part you want to be looking in the support section. Some have separate sections for older hardware and nothing in the support for things much more than 5 years old. Also if you still have the manual it should tell you what kind of AGP support the board offers. I think most AGP cards are backwards compatible but that may not be the case. At any rate an 8x agp card's performance would degrade in an older port even if it was backwardly compatible.
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there is a little black square in my mother board which says
INTEL
fw82801DB
SL6DM
intel (M)(c)'01
those brackets meant to be circles around the letters the 01 im guessin means it was made in 01. is that too old lol
i can play most games fine atm
Edit: lol i was in there with a torch decided to shine it on the port (go figure) and wella it says AGP on the side :)
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there's still some newer agp cards out there, i should know i have 1 of them ;) a msi 7800gs agp 256mb works nicelly... for the most time :P
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That would be that particular component, it appears to be the built-in audio/video chip (cursory google search (http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=fw82801&btnG=Google+Search&meta=).) You are looking for something printed on the substrate, the (usually green board) thing to which everything else is attached
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Hmmm my computer is pretty tightly packed (its miniature) will this be a number? a name? will it be put on with a sticker? or printed on?
EDIT: ok i found this i looked up LOTES which is the company name on the side of the slot and this seems to look like what ive got
http://cn.lotes.cc/product_info.php?id=273# (http://cn.lotes.cc/product_info.php?id=273#)
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Again that would be the connector and does not help much. You can usually get the information without opening the box by looking on the bios screen although some put up a splash screen instead. The bios screen is the first thing to be displayed when you boot and will say something like Award Bios, Phoenix Bios, or American Megatrends (AMI) bios or possibly something else. You can usually press the pause/break button to allow you to read this screen. As well as the bios manufacturer and software date it should tell you what MB you have. Mine says ASUS xxxxxx where the x's are the model number I cannot think of at the moment.
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ok and btw i was given this computer and have none of the boxes and hardware ect for it. ill have a look at the montherboard thingy now
EDIT: ok i found it it says Phoenix- AwardBIOS v6.00PG im gonna google that now
EDIT: found this on it. http://www.phoenix.com/en/Products/Core+System+Software/Award+BIOS/features.htm (http://www.phoenix.com/en/Products/Core+System+Software/Award+BIOS/features.htm)please tell me what it mean lol
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http://www.ertyu.org/steven_nikkel/agpcompatibility.html
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Maidon i dont really get what theyre talkin about in that link lol. doesnt say how to identify what uve got i dont think
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Basically you can take a 1.5V AGP card in that slot as it has a 1.5V slot.
Most AGP cards nowadays can do both 3.3 and 1.5 anyway.
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Ok am i able to use either of these
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=300084547612&rd=1&rd=1 or
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330090681892&rd=1&rd=1
i want 2nd one cos its cheaper but is there a reason for it being cheaper?
EDIT: oh i get it now (correct me if im rong) but since mine is a 1.5V i can take the 0.8V ones too? pretty much anythin below 1.5V i can take therefore i can take a 8X card which is the 2nd one
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What you need is the rest of the text that went along with the Phoenix Bios revision number.
Check out this page (http://www.motherboards.org/articles/tech-planations/13_1.html) for more information. I cannot vouch for it personally as I just did a quick search but it links to a couple tools that may be helpful.
If you've got what you need then ignore this, if not it might be useful.
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ok i found it here goes
1845GE-W83627-6AG9V3JC-00
btw it says sumthin about 13 feb 2003? that when it was made/installed?
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http://www.playtool.com/pages/agpcompat/agp.html that goes into far more technical detail, but basically if your motherboard is new enough to take the later AGP cards it can run 8x else if it will run at 4x.
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OK, what ive gathered is that. i have a 1.5V slot by the looks of it (the slot thing seems right place) and that the
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330090681892&rd=1&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330090681892&rd=1&rd=1)
Card will work
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That date is likely the bios creation date, I'm still looking for more. Was there anything else on the screen before it starts into windows?
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This was directly under the phoenix thing XP4-G/46283A
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It has been a while since I've done this. You best bet looks to be this page (http://www.esupport.com/biosagent/index.cfm) The bios manufacturers have all seem to have all merged.
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Its an IWILL i got this page searchin for the mothboard
http://www.motherboards.org/mobot/manufacturers_d/IWill/
if someone can work from that and find the stuff out i will give you a smiley!
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It is probably this (http://www.iwill.net/product_legacy2.asp?na=XP4-G&SID=32&MID=26&Value=204) then but if not look here (http://www.iwill.net/product_legacy.asp) if indeed it is an iWill as lookst to be the case.
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Ok it says under the AGP slot thing in the manual
The AGP slot is for the exclusive use of high speed APG video display cards. This AGP slot supports AGP4X cards this slot only supports 1.5V devices. do not use a 3.3V with this motherboard
so does this mean i can use 8X aswell? because something said it was backwards compatible and apparently 8X cards are 0.8V and this is 1.5V drive
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according to this page (http://www.devhardware.com/c/a/Video-Cards/AGP-8X-A-Closer-Look/1/) Compatibility
Another excellent feature of moving to AGP 8X is it's inherent backwards compatibility with both AGP 4X and AGP 2X. Currently, all video card manufacturers with an AGP 8X based card are keeping their hardware compatible with AGP 2X and 4X specs. Consequently, if your using an 8X capable card, it will typically utilize the highest available speed supported by your system. Good news for those of you who wish to keep their current systems, but want to take advantage of the latest video technology. You may not completely benefit from these capabilities with an older system, but a performance increase will be garnished nevertheless, and when you do upgrade your system, you'll be ready to go.
However this page (http://www.neoseeker.com/Hardware/faqs/kb/10,63.html) say is is not quite that simple. Maybe yes, maybe no.
This page (http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=49&p_created=1097084233&p_sid=I_Pk_5vi&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MSZwX3Byb2RzPTAmcF9jYXRzPTAmcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PXZvbHRhZ2U*&p_li=&p_topview=1) from the nvidia website would seem to indicate that it can. Of course you will have to decide for yourself. I'm thinking you might be able to get a much better card say a 6600 series new for less than twice that price but I have no real idea what the market is like on the other side of the world. I can buy here a 6200 for $70. so you might want to look around a bit before you buy used.
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its not used its 30 days tested (well sorta used) so its almost new :)
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Iwould think that using the 8x AGP card would work in your system, obviously only and the bandwidth of a 4X AGP card.
I would also really advise buying it from a shop or with a credit card. That way, if it doesnt work you can either return it to the shop or claim on your credit card insurance saying the card was already broken ;)
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Oh the guy said that i can return it if it doesnt work.
oh yeh.. i dun have a credit card since im 14 lol
/me looks to parents
just gonna internet bank. already bought it.
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I dont think transfers of bank details to people on the internet are the wisest thing. But anyway, I hope the card works for you :)
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/me crosses his fingers
i dont think were giving them our account details.. hes giving us his lol
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when you make the bank transfer your account details will show up on their account statement. But i doubt it would be hard to trace them when you have their name, account number and sort code ;)
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Theyre a registered ebay buisness so.... MEH
just payed for it tho :)
ill actually be able to play those FPS games online in high-ish detail. and BD wont be all jumpy... i hope