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Support => Complaint Department => Topic started by: Bartholin on April 13, 2007, 04:46:03 am
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I am sorry to complain about a game i play so often but i thing it needs to be said, if only for the slight, remote, near impossible chance that i will affect something in a positive manner.
My complaint...
I am not allowed to have my name changed.
Reason Givin by gm.
"Its not allowed, only the sir name can be changed when divorced"
Reason for wanting said name change.
My char. Bartholin has been plagued by harrasment by well.. "those peoples" (ooc like) and thus his name (my name) has been ruined, aka im now considered a Theft, vandle, rapist, outlaw, hethen... the list goes on. Why you may ask i am considered these? Players find it funny to seek revenge when they dont get 1k tra for a dagger or 2m tria on shield, or allowed to kill me in a duel or allowed the challenge me when im busy in an rp. Basic childish Bull&^$*.
I asked a gm (who i spose i wont name) told me that i could INFACT have a name change as long as it suited rp rules (or something like that), after i did a huge rp envolving my wife being kidnapped and resueded and me being killed off (allowed for reasons stated above) I was then told that i can not infact change my name even for the stated reasons. It being with in rp relms, (Bartholin dieing er.. killed) Would it not be kosher to have it be changed?
I relize that gms are busy, and that it being able to have your name changed when ever you want would be very BAD idea for rp and revenge type reasons. However, i think i have ample reason to have my name changed. I do not beleave that i should have to delete my account i worked hard on and make another one, just becuase i didnt let someone kill me, or i didnt pay an extra 5k on an item werth only 100 tria.
I do not have irc, so i can not contact gms online, i know gm rulings are not wished to be posted, however, this post should be looked into, reviewed, and with some luck a name change policy should arrive out of it. I ran a search and found nothing sim. to my case, though admittled i did not look at every page. I could not find a name CHANGE policy, but only the naming policy, which just to move my name change further along states "Dont name your charecter after anything that might be found offensive" (something along the lines of that) and as such i did find something for Bartholin. :D just run a search in google for Bartholin (or Bartholin cyst) Also Thomas Bartholin is a real person and I am named after him ;). If a gm is willing to change my name for me, plz contact me for i do have a name already lined up, or talk to me ingame.
Please dont hate me :( i just hate being chased after cuz someone said i said/did something i didnt do. (Its hard to report a group of ppl when they use alts and noone tells you who told them) /rant,post
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Reason for wanting said name change.
My char. Bartholin has been plagued by harrasment by well.. "those peoples" (ooc like) and thus his name (my name) has been ruined, aka im now considered a Theft, vandle, rapist, outlaw, hethen... the list goes on. Why you may ask i am considered these? Players find it funny to seek revenge when they dont get 1k tra for a dagger or 2m tria on shield, or allowed to kill me in a duel or allowed the challenge me when im busy in an rp. Basic childish Bull&^$*.
If it's just this reason then there is no point, your name change would still appear on there buddy list. It would change from Bartholin to whatever you changed it to so they would know who you were anyway.
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If it's just this reason then there is no point, your name change would still appear on there buddy list. It would change from Bartholin to whatever you changed it to so they would know who you were anyway.
I predicted that as well, however, a slim chance is that a) they didnt buddy me or b) they see the new name and have no clue who it is thus delete it.
Im also dead atm in game (killed of in the rp stated in first post)
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Renaming your character won't help because they'll see the change if they have you on their buddy list. I'm afraid that the only real solution to avoid jerks like that is to make a brand new character, but that sucks for a hundred different reasons.
You probably won't like this, but the best thing you can do is to ignore the jerks. It's really all you can do in the end. The people who really know you will see their lies for what they are.
It will be hard because such individuals tend to be very vicious and manipulative, often working by getting large numbers of people involved. The saving grace is that the people they manipulate are almost always new players hoping to make "friends" and better their "reputation", so they're very fickle and extremely temporary in the grand scheme of things. They'll pretend to believe pretty much anything if they think there's something to gain by it. It's quite pathetic. It's still a major nuisance though, and if you're a sensitive individual then it's that much worse. Perhaps the GMs should have a meeting to discuss how to fight cyber bullying such as this?
This is something I could rant on for a while but I'll leave it at that until other people start posting.
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I tried doing that before, a name change did nothing. People tend to know who is on there buddy.
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This is something I could rant on for a while but I'll leave it at that until other people start posting.
I read a post by you about the same sorta thing. A group messed with ya for ooc reasons. used alts, and that such. Like i said above though, even if they find me again, it would have smaller impact since i would have moved on to a new group of buds. I have only talked to my buds thru an alt (name with held*) but for the most part Bartholin is MIA within ps. "Having been missing since sunday"
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Zanzi is right, best you can do is just ignore them. Name change won't solve it and I wouldn't recommend deleting your character. The minute you do someone will take the name. I've had it happen to me 3 times.
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Zanzi is right, best you can do is just ignore them. Name change won't solve it and I wouldn't recommend deleting your character. The minute you do someone will take the name. I've had it happen to me 3 times.
let them have it :D and its hard to ignore a group you dont know thier names to. I refuse to delete my account that i worked forever for. I refuse to just stand around and let the gms allow such things. I was TOLD to delete my char to get a new name. Even though a gm can change my name in two shakes or less if you give them a name you want to change to (as i did). I cant really just go back to playing my account atm, as rp wise i am dead from a battle protecting my wife. Ask all my old comrades, i have already told it to them, and cut off all contact with them thru Bartholin ooc and ic. I refuse to be forced to pay 2k for 1 iron ore "Cuz you killed my father", or "Raped my friends, brother's, sisters's, aunt's dog" or w/e they have going. I know that the name change is refreshed on the buddy lists, but its a chance im willing to take if only to stay ic. Though if all else fails i spose i can cook up a rp type thing where i am reborn or something. But a name change would be nice to stay ic. I dont want it JUST becuese a small group of *&^%ers wants to have a kick, or JUST cuz i was killed in an rp. I want it to have a complete new start ic wise and even ooc wise w/o having to log in 200 more hrs of time i dont really have to spend these days.
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See, a GM would look at it like this... (i think)
1) The name change wouldn't help as they would still know who you are.
2) Wanting a name change because Bartholin is dead is something they'd never do
I want it to have a complete new start ic wise and even ooc wise w/o having to log in 200 more hrs of time i dont really have to spend these days.
If you want a new start a GM would ask you to start a new character. You will lose alot of training but GM's can't change names for that reason. I suggest you find an RP reason for your name change and it will most likely be given. I changed a name i'd held for nearly a year and the GM was happy to do it but I had good reasons. I'm not saying that you don't have reasons, but I don't see any that would make a GM want to change it. They'd most likely suggest a new char. I could be wrong though... I suggest you speak to a GM in-game, this isn't the place for it.
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See, a GM would look at it like this... (i think)
1) The name change wouldn't help as they would still know who you are.
2) Wanting a name change because Bartholin is dead is something they'd never do
I want it to have a complete new start ic wise and even ooc wise w/o having to log in 200 more hrs of time i dont really have to spend these days.
If you want a new start a GM would ask you to start a new character. You will lose alot of training but GM's can't change names for that reason. I suggest you find an RP reason for your name change and it will most likely be given. I changed a name i'd held for nearly a year and the GM was happy to do it but I had good reasons. I'm not saying that you don't have reasons, but I don't see any that would make a GM want to change it. They'd most likely suggest a new char. I could be wrong though... I suggest you speak to a GM in-game, this isn't the place for it.
-_-'' thats the complaint, I have 3 reasons.
1) I am dead ic from an RP
2) Want due to Harrassment
3) Want a fresh start completly, new friends, new enemies so on w/o losing my stats
I should NOT have to start over from scratch just cuz a band got together and F*&^ed my good name up.
I should beable to have my name changed due to the RP reason alone, having already asked a gm and him saying "Yes you can infact change your name, but i can not due it, talk to a higher up"
This does belong here since it is infact a complaint against not only the name change policy but anything else mentioned.
Basicly if ANYTHING is dont with this thread, a list of reasons, or a set of guildlines should be set up for having your name changed. I know that its not smart to allow a name change to any player for any reason, however, i have played PS for almost 1 year using only my one char. I asked a gm, and he said it was good reasons.
If a policy is set up for this, a penelty should be intrduced along with a good reason being needed. Such as you lose all your money, or duel points, or pp, or something along the lines of that. I didnt make this thread to complain about the gms rulling but to understand the gms logice, to complain about the name change policy, and to hopfull spur inprovement in the game.
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Well if the GM said your name would be changed then what exactly is the problem?
1) I am dead ic from an RP
2) Want due to Harrassment
3) Want a fresh start completly, new friends, new enemies so on w/o losing my stats
Number 1 and 3 are not good reasons, a GM would tell you to go to character creation. Reason 2 is but a GM would probably ask you there names and tell you to report them or he/she would look in on them. Also a name change for harassment never works and never will unless name changes stop showing on buddy list.
Why 2 threads on basically the ssame thing? ???
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Why 2 threads on basically the ssame thing? ???
They are close, about name policy. This one about Chainging names.. other about GMs allowing bad names cuz they are older then 1 hr ingame. so similer but differnt in own rights.
As for 2. I couldnt name then since how can you prove whos alts are whos, who really thinks you did something after being told you did it by the person/s / group? But if oyu look at prev. posts you can see that im not BSing about harrasment, as i was having this crap as far back as the tria, sw disaster day.
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Well like i've said deletion is not the option and name changes are just a no-go for harassment cases as they would know who you were. You could say they might not see the name change but they would. If it truly bothers you then speak to the GM team and give them the names of those involved, they'll gladly help you in such a case as harassment. For harassment they will grant you your name change i'm almost certain about that but it won't help. You've got two options the way I see it. New char or stick with Bartholin and let the GM's help with your problem. If they see harassment is going on it will be dealt with.
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Well like i've said deletion is not the option and name changes are just a no-go for harassment cases as they would know who you were. You could say they might not see the name change but they would. If it truly bothers you then speak to the GM team and give them the names of those involved, they'll gladly help you in such a case as harassment. For harassment they will grant you your name change i'm almost certain about that but it won't help. You've got two options the way I see it. New char or stick with Bartholin and let the GM's help with your problem. If they see harassment is going on it will be dealt with.
I couldnt name then since how can you prove whos alts are whos, who really thinks you did something after being told you did it by the person/s / group?
I fear we are going around in circles. I will wait a few days and see if a gm will contact me about this matter. I talked to a gm about harrasment issues sometime ago, and as such nothing has happend about it, the gm told me that harrasment and name sluanderings/ers are banned. Though again nothing to little has happened thus far. So i can play that waiting game i spose.
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Well, I hope it works out for you... I was just trying to explain why a name change would never solve anything and that either a new char or "the waiting game" were your only choices.
Seriously though whoever is harassing you needs to grow-up...
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Well, I hope it works out for you... I was just trying to explain why a name change would never solve anything and that either a new char or "the waiting game" were your only choices.
Seriously though whoever is harassing you needs to grow-up...
humans dont grow-up just get bigger, smarter (sometimes ;) ) and uglyer.
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We have logs of and searches by IP addresses, and are able to view all the characters on various accounts. Finding alts is less difficult than you may think. Contact the GM team with names of the players who are bothering you, remember to use /report, and never ask for a name change if your character is dead - you will be asked to create a new one.
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Well, I hope it works out for you... I was just trying to explain why a name change would never solve anything and that either a new char or "the waiting game" were your only choices.
Seriously though whoever is harassing you needs to grow-up...
I was going to go into it more, but on better judgment, I think I better not, at least not yet anyways.
Long story summarized, a somewhat long while ago, I got my main's name changed becuase of OOC issues effecting IC actions due to people not being able to distinguish between RL and the IG world. Me, it didn't bother, becuase I can ignore stupid people, but becuase they decided to mess with with my dear sweetums and her IG RPing, then I felt I needed to do just go away so they wouldn't have anything to amuse themselves with and they would soon move onto other things and leave her alone.
After I changed it, I simply didn't log in for a few weeks. When I finally did, and a few people asked me why I was on their list, I told them perhaps we were in a RP event, but becuase of computer problems, I haven't been around for quite some time, so they forgot who I was.
And after doing all that, peace was restored. :)
Never say never. ;)
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I was going to go into it more, but on better judgment, I think I better not, at least not yet anyways.
Long story summarized, a somewhat long while ago, I got my main's name changed becuase of OOC issues effecting IC actions due to people not being able to distinguish between RL and the IG world. Me, it didn't bother, becuase I can ignore stupid people, but becuase they decided to mess with with my dear sweetums and her IG RPing, then I felt I needed to do just go away so they wouldn't have anything to amuse themselves with and they would soon move onto other things and leave her alone.
After I changed it, I simply didn't log in for a few weeks. When I finally did, and a few people asked me why I was on their list, I told them perhaps we were in a RP event, but becuase of computer problems, I haven't been around for quite some time, so they forgot who I was.
And after doing all that, peace was restored. :)
Never say never. ;)
What is the gamw rold comming to when a gm needs a name change lol. It sucks but it happens, I cant say that my harrasment is nearly as bad as yours was, but it doesnt affect my ig wife since almost noone knows who she is :whistle randomly:. However, it is bad enough that i can not buy, sell anything in market, join an rp outside my close friends, or feel safe in my own guild. sometime ago i had to kick almost everyone out of another guild becuase they were nothing but alts made by other guild;s members. (about 40+- kicks) its just stupid how somethings are allowed to happen, or rather unstoppable. But yea.. lol. sucks. :D
Neko isn't a GM :) Plus if a GM is being harassed, they've ways to deal with it that involve something bigger than name changes.
I assumed he was since he had moc in forums ;) anyway, i know that a gm can easly handle harrasment, they cimple click the "kick" cmd or if server "Ban" :) however, what of the ones that were harrased pre gm status? :) they surly could not do anything but call upon the aid of our heros the gm's :D.
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Neko isn't a GM :) Plus if a GM is being harassed, they've ways to deal with it that involve something bigger than name changes.
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Neko isn't a GM
...yet.
:whistling:
First forum mod, then GM, pretty soon PS director.... no?
Edit: I suppose I should clarify for those select few lacking in a sense of humor... the above was made in a joking tone. I'm perfectly happy just being the lowly forum mod no one likes, always having to live in Karyuu's shadow of now nearly 9k posts.
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Everyone becomes known by their actions, their words, and how they deal with confrontational situations. Coining the old addage "You made your bed, so now you have to lie in it." really comes to mind on this subject. I have not dealt with your character on a personal basis but I have heard things. This does not mean I, or anyone else for that matter, judges you on heresay (Or at least I hope they wouldn't ;)). Bottom line is the longer you reside in the realm you become known for your actions. If you are nice and charitable most of the time people will soon realize it even if 'mud' has been flung at you. Honestly it sounds as though you are going through a crisis at the moment and my advice to you Bartholin is to be yourself and also accountable for all you do. If you are O.k. with yourself then screw everyone else and what they think. Just move on.
~Meren Reenalelo~
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I'm perfectly happy just being the lowly forum mod no one likes, always having to live in Karyuu's shadow of now nearly 9k posts.
As long as you understood what you were getting into... :P
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Everyone becomes known by their actions, their words, and how they deal with confrontational situations.
... In a perfect world. Unfortunately, PS is still in developement.:)
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Everyone becomes known by their actions, their words, and how they deal with confrontational situations. Coining the old addage "You made your bed, so now you have to lie in it." really comes to mind on this subject. I have not dealt with your character on a personal basis but I have heard things. This does not mean I, or anyone else for that matter, judges you on heresay (Or at least I hope they wouldn't ;)). Bottom line is the longer you reside in the realm you become known for your actions. If you are nice and charitable most of the time people will soon realize it even if 'mud' has been flung at you. Honestly it sounds as though you are going through a crisis at the moment and my advice to you Bartholin is to be yourself and also accountable for all you do. If you are O.k. with yourself then screw everyone else and what they think. Just move on.
~Meren Reenalelo~
It is hard to combate a group of people when they use alts. A new player ingame seldom if never goes against a group, and as that player plays in the game, will remember what they heard about such a such person and apply it to thier actions, further spreading the bad or even good name of that person reguardless on how well they know that certain person. You heard things about me, yet you like so many others refused to comfront me about these things either due to lazyness or to that fact that you just decided to beleave it as fact. I welcome any person to call me on an action i do, to contact me in or out of game to talk to me about any action i did, or didnt not. I do not like being called a theft of my own goods. I dont like having to have 600 for gold ore, i dont like being labled something i did not work for. Its just the way humans are i spose. Greedy, unforgiving basterds. I retired from the game for a good 2 months, and on my return i noticed that i heard NOTHING about anything i heard a week before i returned, however, after 3 days, i was already hearing of me doing actions that i could not have done, or wouldnt have done. How can a person be focused on stealing kills/ items/ money, also be in an rp takling all there time? IDK.. not poss. But i digress.
By all means, approach me in game, ask me questions about something you heard i did good or bad ic or ooc. I refuse to host another event due to the actions of some. I just will not do it. I gave away MILLIONS werth in weapons and items, however i was soon labled a theft of my own items. Its just not right how players can not stand for honor any longer, but must skrew with others just becuase they have a grude against them. One solution would be to remove alts and extra accounts, and another that i seem to have to do, is to just start completly over with a new account, and not do anything even related to another player.
THe game does infact resemble life, in that if a person is welthy, gives vast amount of money away, and is pleasant all around, thier name will be targeted, or if your evil, you can have as much fuin as you want as long as your smart enough to get away with it. But thats all off topic :(.
I do not plan on being very active on ps much long if such things can persist. Bartholin was my one an only account untill a few weeks ago, when i had decided to eliminate him. I tried and failed at rp as if i do rp, my name is attacked reguardless of my actions. And again, i am more the glade to clear up any questions about my actions, alts, items, so on. EIther in or out of game.
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Bartholin, you seem desperate. Have you considered beating him at his own game?
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Bartholin, you seem desperate. Have you considered beating him at his own game?
;D i dont have to kinda time. lets just say that i have more morals.. and again, i run into the problem of not knowing who the persons are so i cant infact do anything about it, THUS i did what i did.
Plz read all posts before posting. :)
WOW this thread is going :offtopic: ;D
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Bartholin,
Not changing names to avoid reputational consequences is one of the key ingredients of keeping a (somewhat) civil society in PS. The longer you go with a character, the more time is invested, the more cost there is to starting a new character. This means that the more advanced players have to live with the reputations they have earned, either through their IC or OOC playing.
In other MMO communities I've seen, this is taken to a much higher level, with forum-based blacklists of KSers and griefers, etc.
If we allowed you (or anyone) to change their name, we have effectively removed the cost of misbehaving and allowed the misbehaving person to get off scot free. As it stands today, your choices are to keep playing and change your reputation, or start a new character and turn over a new leaf with it. Those are both good choices, afaic, from the community's perspective.
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If we allowed you (or anyone) to change their name, we have effectively removed the cost of misbehaving and allowed the misbehaving person to get off scot free. As it stands today, your choices are to keep playing and change your reputation, or start a new character and turn over a new leaf with it. Those are both good choices, afaic, from the community's perspective.
I believe the point is that his reputation is ill-founded and based on rumours started by the 'enemy' due to OOC differences. I do understand that without a /report of the original event GMs are in no way capable of discerning who is in the right and would just have to trust the word of one player over another which would be unfair to everyone.
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Call me oblivious but I haven't heard anything good or bad about him but I have seen him a few times. Perhaps if one person or other wants to believe everything they hear without discovering first hand the truth they are not worth worrying about. This sounds like so much high school melodrama, perhaps we should change the game name to 90210 or degrassi or something. If the "cool kids" are taunting you, they are not very cool are they?!
The preceding was a bit of friendly advice and is not to be considered a pronouncement of judgment of anyone particularly not of the OP.
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Bartholin,
Not changing names to avoid reputational consequences is one of the key ingredients of keeping a (somewhat) civil society in PS. The longer you go with a character, the more time is invested, the more cost there is to starting a new character. This means that the more advanced players have to live with the reputations they have earned, either through their IC or OOC playing.
In other MMO communities I've seen, this is taken to a much higher level, with forum-based blacklists of KSers and griefers, etc.
If we allowed you (or anyone) to change their name, we have effectively removed the cost of misbehaving and allowed the misbehaving person to get off scot free. As it stands today, your choices are to keep playing and change your reputation, or start a new character and turn over a new leaf with it. Those are both good choices, afaic, from the community's perspective.
The whole point is that he didn't earn this reputation. Some jerk with an agenda is actively dragging his name through the mud.
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Well there are ways of dealing with that such as /reports and GM pettitions before it gets out of hand. He failed to do them it seems.
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Well there are ways of dealing with that such as /reports and GM pettitions before it gets out of hand. He failed to do them it seems.
Believe it or not, reports and petitions don't always make things better. They're especially difficult once you involve the use of alts and activites which could be interpreted as in-character.
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If they're Tarnish your IC reputation and you get upset you should go outside. If its harassment the GMs canhave a word with the person and i imagine if it persists they get a ban.
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If they're Tarnish your IC reputation and you get upset you should go outside. If its harassment the GMs canhave a word with the person and i imagine if it persists they get a ban.
I think you're failing to comprehend the subtleties of the situation. If it was as easy as asking the GMs for help, he would not be asking for a name change.
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Well in real life people get stereotyped/cast into roles they wouldn't want to be in all the time. I suggest you take lot that has been handed you and roleplay it. Then if you don't like it, roleplay out of it. If you truly don't deserve that being pinned on you, you'll do just fine.
Stop complaining and get to playing.
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Well in real life people get stereotyped/cast into roles they wouldn't want to be in all the time. I suggest you take lot that has been handed you and roleplay it. Then if you don't like it, roleplay out of it. If you truly don't deserve that being pinned on you, you'll do just fine.
Stop complaining and get to playing.
I'm sorry but this answer is simply insensitive. Why would Bartholin want to go with people hating him OOCly? This whole thing IS OOC afterall and not in character.
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I dont think saying this is alowed but why not try to be even worse, just join an evil guild such as the outlaws :)
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It is not up to the Devs or the GMs to judge whether a reputation is 'deserved' or not, or 'OOC' or not. We are not going to change a character's name to hide their identity. Period. Find another way to deal with it or make an alt and pretend to speak only Spanish.
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yeah, technically i think chinese would work better, you can type up random stuff and it should seem like chinese plus most americans know what sounds like spanish. but because there are so many different kinds of chinese its harder to know :) . hope it helps